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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 09-25-2012, 02:29 PM
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Bingo!
PMSL.. he said whiners & psychopathic trolls.. i think you might fit into one of those categories

p.s thanks for your usual contribution to the subject, ever enlightening.
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:46 PM
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since then a handful of perpetual whiners and psychopathic trolls who camp here have even been bitching at whatever is positive about the sim as it has been gradually fixed, so it stinks up the forum and doesnt really create an environment for positive interaction
Unfortunately I think the days when the complaints and criticism could be laid at the door of a few 'malcontents' have passed. I think the change has come in the last 6 months due largely to the incredibly slow rate of progress and:

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There have been any number of moments in the past where they have announced a new commitment to "constant updates" (oleg's words, not mine).
These usually result in great rejoicing by the community for a brief moment. However these announcements have usually been the harbinger of long, protratcted and obstinate silence form the devs. They don't seem to have the commitment to follow through on these sort of things. Perhaps they just don't care or do not have the experience to understand how important it is.
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I've said it again and again, only to be ignored every single time: Luthier is not Oleg. He hates PR and "communication". He'd like nothing better to lock himself and the team up in the office complex, work on whatever project they have on their hands and not be bothered at all by suits with milestones and deadlines and especially not by players wanting to know what's going on.
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I tend to disagree with some who say that Luthier doesn't care about either the game or us. I think his avoidance may be down to sensitivity about how it has worked out and a combination of guilt and shame. He probably feels genuinely bad at the situation and the constant let-downs. There is probably huge stress in the situation too. I feel genuine sympathy for him and the dev team.

But...had to be a BUT ...there has been so much needless, stupid, inept PR and lack of communication in this whole thing - as seen so perfectly in the recent questions fiasco - that in spite of my desire to see the game improve and to support them, I feel more and more annoyed and angry at the broken promises, lack of any real communication and the general disrespect and lack of care in their attitude.

I can forgive them for the slow progress in the game -issues largely beyond their control. But their attitude to the community has recently moved from inept to downright insulting and even dishonest.

And that is not on in my book.
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Personally I think people are just fed up now (possibly from us mug customers and the lack of interaction from dev's), so they are now leaving and only popping in occasionally to see if any mythical patch news (not old promises) has been posted
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Old 09-25-2012, 03:15 PM
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Why do we get so little communication and interaction from Maddox Games with the community?

I really don't understand. We know there are issues with the game, Luthier has repeatedly said he is not happy with the state of the game.

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With supposedly the future of the sim & developers dependant upon the success of a sequel you'd think the team would try and keep its customers somewhat engaged. Its just so baffling and counter productive to future sales. It is certainly putting me off any future purchase from Maddox Games.

I'd love this series to be a success, but for the love of god Maddox Games seem to be their own worst enemy.

It's because they've probably realized, finally, that the game, the series and all that is attached to it, is finished. They chose to steer their product head-on against a wall, willingly and knowingly. Now, the invoice seems to be on its way... why still bother then?


P.S.: nm Zapatista... it's just luthier's alias on which he can lash out and swear anonymously!
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Old 09-25-2012, 03:45 PM
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Personally I think people are just fed up now (possibly from us mug customers and the lack of interaction from dev's), so they are now leaving and only popping in occasionally to see if any mythical patch news (not old promises) has been posted
Spot on! That's what I'm doing. Nothing left to say really, just waiting and watching for something to happen, anything!
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Spot on! That's what I'm doing. Nothing left to say really, just waiting and watching for something to happen, anything!
Yep, used to be a time that when i came to 1C forums would always check here first, these days i always check the 1946 forums first, and come here as an after thought to see if by some miracle anything worth while has happened yet.

On the plus side, since TeamD are doing such good work with 1946, not so bothered here anymore.
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Yep, used to be a time that when i came to 1C forums would always check here first, these days i always check the 1946 forums first, and come here as an after thought to see if by some miracle anything worth while has happened yet.

On the plus side, since TeamD are doing such good work with 1946, not so bothered here anymore.
I've changed the very same behaviour
Also, TD news makes me happy inside, MG doesn't.
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I've said it again and again, only to be ignored every single time: Luthier is not Oleg. He hates PR and "communication". He'd like nothing better to lock himself and the team up in the office complex, work on whatever project they have on their hands and not be bothered at all by suits with milestones and deadlines and especially not by players wanting to know what's going on.
I don't think too many people would dispute that. I suspect Luthier would be far more comfortable and much better suited to running a small team of modders than heading the development of a AAA next-gen title.
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Old 09-26-2012, 04:09 AM
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I don't think too many people would dispute that. I suspect Luthier would be far more comfortable and much better suited to running a small team of modders than heading the development of a AAA next-gen title.
I don't want to believe it but what other conclusion is there?
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