Fultures!

[ATAG_Colander]

A few ideas:

1.- We can bring down the server - No more complaints
2.- We can ban all the complainers - No more complaints
3.- We can password protect the server - No more complaints

Maybe this way, whiners will create their own server and make amazingly great missions that every one (read 100%) of the pilots love. I think that with this incentive, many incredibly good servers will pop up!

Thanks,
ATAG_Colander

[ATAG_Septic]

Originally Posted by PotNoodles

Vulchering - LOL... Do I have to get used to the slang aswell as learning to fly this sim? Telling someone to stop Vulchering me is going to be the hardest thing I will face in this sim... Mainly because I will have to keep a straight face while I tell someone to stop Vulchering me. Then I will have to keep my cool and and my temper in check because I cannot resist spawning at the same airbase and been Vulchered.

I think it's vulcherized?

[ATAG_Septic]

Originally Posted by AbortedMan

Everyone that is ok with vulching seems to forget that vulching sucks a large percentage of players into that area of the mission, often leaving people that are smart enough to not bother with the "airquake condition" completely alone to shoot at AI bombers...and that's pretty boring.

When vulching happens, the Blue's are hanging around Hawkinge looking for easy kills, the Red's know this and either attempt a take-off from Hawkinge to get into a quick fight, or get a tad bit smarter and spawn at a further airbase only to head to Hawkinge because they know that's where the Blue's are. This further exacerbates the problem. This giant wonderfully complex and detailed mission on this GIANT wonderfully complex map suddenly gets pigeonholed into a square mile of frustration.

Yes it's a stupid result of people being stupid OR making bad choices, but it's what is going to happen over and over...because people are stupid and/OR make bad choices. It's not that I'm trying to criticize or degrade "people" but I simply cannot use any other word to describe them.

The "airquake condition" can be dealt with and fixed, or it can be ignored advertised as a beneficial part of a server's assets.

ATAG's choice. I think they're shooting themselves in the foot, IMO. They hold the balance of this game's online community in their hands, and I feel the stage they're setting for themselves is getting volatile very quickly.

BTW, With the current base configuration over in England, simply spawning at another base is not a solution. Red have three general areas to spawn from, Hawkinge/Lympne and Ramsgate/Manston...both pairs close enough to each other to be considered *one* strafable area to a vulture...and Eastchurch which leaves Red little choice but to navigate over the hotspots I just mentioned to get into theater. Blue, on the other hand, has so many bases strewn across the coast and inland that I cannot even read most of them on the map unless I zoom in to the maximum...that alone negates many vulture attempts, but not before Red is shot down by the extremely dense 5x5 *GRIDS* (wtf!??!?!) of AAA.

A friend and I once logged onto the server to fly some sorties...there were 4 Reds including us and about 7 blue. We spawn at Hawkinge since we thought it would be quiet due to low population...nope. Four 109's in the air and on us before we hit 200mph. Ok fair game, our fault..."it's Hawkinge." I thought. So we move to Manston, start warming up, roll down the runway, and wheels up...BAM! Black screen. Killed by a 109 pilot...one of the same four from Hawkinge. See the trend here? What's the solution for that?

EDIT: Wait, I got it...I know the solution. I'm just gonna start flyin blue. I paid for the game just like everyone else, I have every right to play it just as everyone else does and won't be hamstrung by bad decisions.

I've tried to see your point here but I really can't. You seem emotional and perhaps unhappy? I suggest you find somewhere else to play.

[ATAG_Doc]

Who can take this topic seriously? I mean really. They're not serious. They're here to complain about no coops, the sim, you, me and anything they can get away with and laugh when you respond. They are multiple account holders and they belong to a group and on anothet site or chat laugh about the attention. Seriously now. Its not really anything. Just trolls.

[ATAG_Dutch]

I thought it was 'vulcherizationessness'.

[AbortedMan]

Why do all you ATAG guys take everything as a personal attack when the economics of gameplay is brought up about your current server condition?

[ATAG_Keller]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Keller

If you think being shot full of holes 10 seconds after creating a plane is annoying, try taking off 70km from the French coast, forming up a group of three bombers, and being shot down an hour into your flight 3 minutes before you reach target. You can create another new plane if yours gets shot up before you take off and what have you lost, 20 seconds?

Does getting shot down when I’m that far into a bomber mission make me angry? Hell ya it does, but what am I going to do?

Originally Posted by Force10

Yeah right...that's the same. At least you got in the air and were flying. Not just sitting on the ground warming up the engines. Did you read the thread?

You sir win the prize for quoting out of context, and completely failing to see the point!

[SiThSpAwN]

My personal experience on this subject is I am ok with it, I fly Red mostly, I have launched from coastal airfields quite a few times, and to be honest if I cant get off the ground there I launch farther back... if Blue controls the air over our airfields... sorta seems like our fault

[SiThSpAwN]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

I thought it was 'vulcherizationessness'.

Taken from wikipedia: supercalifragilisticexpialivulchious

Dont ask me to show my sources... they need to remain protected...

[ATAG_Septic]

Originally Posted by AbortedMan

Why do all you ATAG guys take everything as a personal attack when the economics of gameplay is brought up about your current server condition?

Ok, I'll try and explain what I believe to be your error. Generalization, "All you ATAG guys", it's similar to your generalizations about the server, without evidence and incorrect.

You seem to be unable to contribute to the discussion in a positive manner. The ATAG server is merely an attempt by a generous fan of the game to provide a means to enjoy the game. I do fear though that this facility may not be available to any of us much longer. I can only hope that there's another out there with the ability and resources necessary to provide similar.

I remain entirely unclear as to your point. I believe you have the answers to your generalized criticism available both here and at ATAG. You know this so there is perhaps another agenda, I'd like to know what it is.

I hope you are able to believe that I don't take any of your comments personally, I don't respect you so I cannot afford them sufficient weight but I do see the damage they do, hence my response.

I hope that you can become a little more positive and accurate in your criticism as such effort is useful and welcomed.

Septic.