making CloD a success

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Lets hope 1 C Team can see fit to make a CooP gui that works old style and a great evenings flying on Hyperlobby

I agree and COOP is No.1. issue on the bugtracker.

In case 1C team does not include it till sequel (which would be a mistake imho) 41Sqn_Banks is working on a web GUI which will allow aircraft selection for COOPs in the same way old Il-2 GUI did. It is intended to work with his DCEngine but I am sure will be able to work with any other individual mission.

Anyone who has C# literate squadmates may ask them to offer some help to speed up the process http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=116
If everyone just waits, it will be a long wait maybe more than a year or 2 till the sequel with majority of fixed is out (if publishers do not force it out unfinished).

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks

Little status update. I'm currently prototyping the new design. Main goals of the design are:
- handle destruction of objects
- add the possibility to simulate the persistent world (needed skip the time between missions in single-player and bad weather/night times in multiplayer).
- add the possibility interact with a web interface to show a map and allow the selection of aircraft
- add a commander interface to give orders to air and ground units

Originally Posted by jibo

keep in mind there is 22 persons working on cod/bom ... much less than on angry birds

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Thats the basic difference between CooP fliers and DF server fliers.

A BASIC coop yes, A ONLINE WAR coop no. The second one has so much more to coop flying that it is not even funny that Bliss makes such a reference. Two different animals those two are.

[David Hayward]

I don't understand the complaints about no Coop. What can you do in coop style missions that you can't do with the current mission builder?

BTW, I never see anyone on the RoF coop servers.

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by carguy_

A ONLINE WAR coop

IMO there is an advantage of running online war coops on a dedicated server: it can be powerful enough to run 3-5 coops at the same time. Even if all other details are programmed in the old-coop fashion (same coop menu/GUI, simultaneous start, predefined target for both teams of 8-12 players, etc.) it will be still fun to meet another group flying a different coop mission in the same airspace. If there are 3-4 simultaneous coops they would start every 20 or 15 minutes. Between the coops pilots could be allowed to fly a quick CAP mission over their airfield too

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

I don't understand the complaints about no Coop. What can you do in coop style missions that you can't do with the current mission builder?

BTW, I never see anyone on the RoF coop servers.

It was discussed many times but in brief as far as I can get it COOPs have great appeal because they create very competitive situation: equal forces face each other in a known location and time like in a 8 vs. 8 duel. In a dogfight server it is not possible to have very organized 8 vs. 8 duel 3 times in one hour. A duel situation and waiting for it can create unmatched adrenalin emission as you can not climb forever, hide in the sun or run away. You have to face equal enemy anyway and win or die. Something connected to genetic memory maybe

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Ataros

In a dogfight server it is not possible to have very organized 8 vs. 8 duel 3 times in one hour.

Just have 2 spawn points a few miles apart and have everyone join at the same time. Why is that not the same?

[ATAG_Bliss]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

I don't understand the complaints about no Coop. What can you do in coop style missions that you can't do with the current mission builder?

BTW, I never see anyone on the RoF coop servers.

The difference is huge. In one scenario people have to join a server to start at the same time, in the other scenario, the server makes you start at the same time.

What a deal breaker eh?

You'd think if 12 people wanted to play a coop they'd all be on coms and just say "everyone ready"? "Ok, lets go" and all go flying together. If the lack of the current GUI is the excuse for people not flying coops all I can do is laugh.

And as this thread pertains to HL, I've yet to see any big event COOP war EVER on HL. Every COOP I joined was a basic meet in the middle and shoot at each other with random people, none of which were probably on coms.

@carguy - I'm fully aware of SEOW and the likes, but those weren't hosted on HL (the point of this discussion in the 1st place) That is a completely different animal and one that vanilla IL2 could never do. The online Wars were all made 3rd party including the software to make it possible.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

The difference is huge. In one scenario people have to join a server to start at the same time, in the other scenario, the server makes you start at the same time.

What a deal breaker eh?

Yes, that sounds like a terrible burden.

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

Just have 2 spawn points a few miles apart and have everyone join at the same time. Why is that not the same?

1. AI does not wait for human players and flies away.
2. Harder to limit available aircraft and control correct numbers of limited aircraft.
3. Harder to make all people start at the same time (avoid cheating with earlier start) in a competitive situation.

Of cause other issues the game had also made coops unpopular. No one has even started working on a coop-based online war AFAIK. One or 2 squads use Banks' COOP lobby that eliminates above issues but others consider it too complicates to press keyboard keys in game instead of clicking a mouse in GUI.

Starting this week sukhoi.ru plans 12 vs. 12 scenarios to be played on weekends with preliminary registration (in DF mode). Maybe coop enthusiasts would want to organize something similar here. Enough human bombers may register to avoid using AI at all.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Ataros

1. AI does not wait for human players and flies away.
2. Harder to limit available aircraft and control correct numbers of limited aircraft.
3. Harder to make all people start at the same time (avoid cheating with earlier start) in a competitive situation.

1. Coordinate the start on TS. Tell everyone to start at the same time. If they're late, TS.

2. Tell everyone which aircraft they're flying before you start.

3. See 1.