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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 01-28-2011, 12:10 PM
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BOBC, One of the devs will be on here later so I'm sure it'll at least get read.

I'm not trying to catch you out or anything, this is more for my own knowledge..

Surley a May 1940 Spit would have different (even just slightly) cockpit details to a '38 Spit? If this Sim is set in the summer of '40 couldn't it be possible that you start the game with a factory fresh Spitfire?

You obviously know what you're talking about but I'm looking at a photo of the cockpit of K9791 (supposedly) taken in March 40 at Farnborough and it looks like it's got a Mk V style instrument panel. It's also got the Aluminium seat and single tier pedals.
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:21 PM
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I agree with -> Stop the moaning, constant whining.
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:29 PM
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Lots of people seem to be disappointed on these forums. Many seem to have their pet issue to pester the developers with.

Its a game that cost £35 for heavens sake, yes we would like it to be a good as it can, but the moaning is ridiculous on these forums.

If you have a concern, make a post and leave it up the the Developers.. don't harass them with whining, demanding a direct line to express your disappointment.
Totally agree MT. I'd like to have been a fly on the wall of some of the concept brainstorming sessions. I bet they had to overcome all the 'features' we raise here and more.

But if I don't see any pictures of the Galland cigar ashtray attachment on a 109 soon, then I'm just not going to buy the game!!!

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Old 01-28-2011, 02:34 PM
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To be fair, BOBC's posts are polite and contain plenty of factual reference, I don't really see any need to slate them.

Unlike other nitpicking posts the cockpit of the signature aircraft would be, perhaps, something of interest to the developers.

Whilst it's also true that I wouldn't notice, or be overly concerned, if a dial was in the wrong place, I can see why it would be of interest if several marks of Spitfire are included.

I haven't seen it, but I would expect Oleg's Mk.I to be at least as historically accurate as the new Wings of Power A2A Spitfire (is that correct or not?)

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Old 01-28-2011, 02:37 PM
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these issues are very serious,
No they are not...poverty, hunger, war....those are serious issues...the ones raised by the author are anal/petty
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Old 01-28-2011, 02:47 PM
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Best way to contact the Maddox Development team is . . .

1. Type out a well structured and POLITE email.

2. Print it out.

3. Attach it to a large stone or a brick.

4. And throw it through the window of their new Office.

If you need to contact them during off hours I suggest doing the above but throw it through the windows of one of their cars. Please do not throw it through one of the windows of their homes, that's rude!
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Old 01-28-2011, 02:48 PM
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I personally don't care. But if you are going to do something do it right.
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Old 01-28-2011, 06:27 PM
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No they are not...poverty, hunger, war....those are serious issues...the ones raised by the author are anal/petty
Oh mr. smarty pants, well that´s the end of CoD then, Oleg should help the poor in this world, what a genius you are!
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Old 01-28-2011, 08:39 PM
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AWL Spinner
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To be fair, BOBC's posts are polite and contain plenty of factual reference, I don't really see any need to slate them.

Unlike other nitpicking posts the cockpit of the signature aircraft would be, perhaps, something of interest to the developers.

Whilst it's also true that I wouldn't notice, or be overly concerned, if a dial was in the wrong place, I can see why it would be of interest if several marks of Spitfire are included.
Thank you.

As said, what is arguably the singularly most famous part of this sim should represent a Mk1 and not a later Mark inside and outside.
I am simply trying to get across the fact that at the moment we will be staring at a MkV cockpit. I wish to leave it to Oleg to be aware of this and decide if this is how he wants it. I include data in the thread as I have no means of getting it to him. Data and detail much finer than this is flying around their office so as to bring to you the flight sim that you are looking forward to because of the attention to detail, so shooting down detail equal or less to what they have been working to, basic observations in many cases, just doesn’t equate.
Posts such as who cares if a switch is out of place make out that wanting to be in a Mk1 cockpit is nitpicking. On that basis Oleg wishing to add in a train could be seen as nitpicking, people saying why have trains in a BoB sim, no one ever shoots them up. He is dealing with data that would have nitpickers have a fit.
I am not saying a switch is 5mm out of position, my observations make a drastic difference to the look of the cockpit, making it the much different looking Mk1 compared to the MkV, it matters to those that care anyway. That’s a long list of alterations, the fine detail level would be more still but I avoided such.

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I haven't seen it, but I would expect Oleg's Mk.I to be at least as historically accurate as the new Wings of Power A2A Spitfire (is that correct or not?)
The cockpit as mentioned by AWL Spinner is seen at :-
http://a2asimulations.com/forum/view...p?f=13&t=23592
Now these guys have either read my list of ingredients and/or studied two good references, the well known pump action u/c picture and the sequence seen on the IWM DVD Spitfire Frontline fighter featuring ample detailed footage of the cockpit. They have the essence of a Mk1 cockpit there. Compare that to the Maddox one. They have just outstaged Oleg in that dept. So that’s BoB Wings of Victory and now Accu-Sim with Mk1 cockpits and Oleg with a MkV.

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I personally don't care. But if you are going to do something do it right.
My thoughts exactly, given their aim they claim is accuracy.

As a point of interest I would advise Accu-sim to watch that video and study that photo again and see that they need to do some 18 or so corrections. Their goal is total realism so they should take on board anything that achieves that.

I must say the artwork is stunning, ripple effect and subtle weathering, light on the raised rivets..well done.

Winny..have you a link or book ref to that photo, I shall take a look at what you are looking at. Note that X serialled spits were ordered 9 june 40, see http://www.spitfires.ukf.net/_prodn%20summary.txt others well before that time. The BOB started in July40. X4675 for example first flew on the last day of the Battle 31Oct1940. the K aircraft you mention was a trials aircraft AAEE and the site mentioned above has it as failed to return 17 aug 40.

BOBC

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Old 01-28-2011, 08:58 PM
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BOBC; I hope you only read the constructive feedbacks in this thread and ignore the complete idiots. Oleg wants everything to be perfect and you want to help him. What can be more genuine than that?
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