4.11 realism

[swiss]

Originally Posted by ImpalerNL

A mk108 30mm hit at the wing should rip the wing off, at least for fighter aircraft.

Actually the wing stays on - but the receiving end will loose control of the plane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoLLDi-M3fk

[Azimech]

You're dining with your comrades, eating borscht and drinking vodka, and suddenly you have to scramble because your field is being attacked. Then in the air you sometimes get disoriented and dizzy, and the next thing you know you have some strange substance all over your canopy from negative G's. It's like an alien invasion, the Blob is here to get you.

That would be a nice one, a chance that in a scramble mission, you're not feeling too well (or bound not to).

Would be hilarious if when you're taking aim, a thunderous HACHOOO throws your aim off, and your flight, in choir, yells GESUNDHEIT!

[Oktoberfest]

Originally Posted by swiss

Actually the wing stays on - but the receiving end will loose control of the plane.

Actually a plane travelling in the air would be under constraints from the air and the probability that the wing breaks off after getting such damage is close to 100 %



Other effect of 1 MK108 round on a spitfire.

[Ernst]

Hohoho!

[ImpalerNL]

The 30mm munition test shows the wing damage when the aircraft is stationary.

Under normal flight conditions the wing folds soon after impact, because the increased drag will weaken the damaged wing construction untill it falls apart.

You wont be able to control the airplane.

WW2 fighter aircraft simply arent big enough to withstand this kind of damage. Even large bombers needed only a few hits.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by ImpalerNL

Better mk108 damage.
[...]
A single hit should do more damage to fighter aircraft, and certainly at the wings, as a 30mm hit on the wings was fatal.

I thought I would test this ingame a little.


I shot single 30mm rounds at a spitfire's wing root in flight at ~0degrees to the wing plane. I repeated it 10 times.

The results where:

Survived with damage: 4
PK or control loss: 1
Fire: 1
Wing Loss: 4

There are some screens from the test here: http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8397/30mm.jpg

I don't draw any conclusions my self from this little test, but I thought it might be interesting.

Incidentally, Mk108s (and all cannon) do do more damage since 4.10 because any damage they do now counts towards a lower structural G-Limit.

[Wutz]

Originally Posted by Letum

I thought I would test this ingame a little.


I shot single 30mm rounds at a spitfire's wing root in flight at ~0degrees to the wing plane. I repeated it 10 times.

The results where:

Survived with damage: 4
PK or control loss: 1
Fire: 1
Wing Loss: 4

There are some screens from the test here: http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8397/30mm.jpg

I don't draw any conclusions my self from this little test, but I thought it might be interesting.

Incidentally, Mk108s (and all cannon) do do more damage since 4.10 because any damage they do now counts towards a lower structural G-Limit.

Yes the structural G-Limit is one of the good things of 4.10 this was something which has been missed for a very long time!

[ImpalerNL]

I find it very strange that after a 30mm round hits the wing, it sometimes falls apart and sometimes not, under the same conditions.

Each round fired at the wing should have the same probability of ripping it off, under the same conditions.

[LeLv8_Otto]

Originally Posted by Letum

Incidentally, Mk108s (and all cannon) do do more damage since 4.10 because any damage they do now counts towards a lower structural G-Limit.

I can see this after hitting someone the plane suddenly looses e.g. wing easier, but has it been confirmed by TD to be so or just a feeling? 4.10 manual doesn't mention about G-Limits acting that way - they speak only about damage when exceeding the G-limit.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by ImpalerNL

I find it very strange that after a 30mm round hits the wing, it sometimes falls apart and sometimes not, under the same conditions.

I'm surprised you find that strange. It appears normal to me.
In the same way that if I crashed a car into a brick wall 100 times at roughly the same speed, I wouldn't be surprised if the wall sometimes fell over and sometimes didn't.