Control Devices & Wheel Issues

[USA Trucker]

Originally Posted by pook

Pls. You write your setup in thread G25?? I do not see how it can be perfect The game is imperfect and incomplete FFB. Pls. Your settings controller and setup ingame. Thx

Along with these settings in the game profile, don't forget about adjusting your Logitech G25 Profiler, especially the FFB category. I have most of them set to 120+. I can feel the bumps on the road, curbs, grass, dirt, etc. The steering wheel has a slight shimmy like most trucks have.

CurrentJoystick="control Logitech G25 Racing Wheel USB"
[control Logitech G25 Racing Wheel USB]
pa_VVK_CARV_CLUTCH="JS1-F"
p2_VVK_TURNSIGNAL_LEFT="JB6"
p2_VVK_FM_RADIO_ON="JB3"
p2_VVK_VIEWER_OUTSIDEVIEWMODE="JB18"
p2_VVK_CARV_ACCEL2="JB7"
p2_VVK_MAP="JB1"
p2_VVK_CARV_GEARUP="JB9"
pa_VVK_CARV_ACCEL="JA3-F"
pa_VVK_CARV_BRAKE="JA6-F"
pa_VVK_CARV_RIGHT="JA1+"
p2_VVK_CRUISECONTROL="JpovB5"
p2_VVK_BEAMS="JB4"
p2_VVK_WIPER="JB8"
check="1"
p2_VVK_HORN="JB7"
p2_VVK_CARV_HANDBRAKE="JB2"
p2_VVK_CARV_GEARDOWN="JB10"
pa_VVK_CARV_LEFT="JA1-"
p2_VVK_CAM_NEAR=""
p2_VVK_CAM_POS1="JB17"
p2_VVK_CAM_POS3="JB19"
p2_VVK_CAM_POS4="JB17"
p2_VVK_CAM_POS5="JB18"
p2_VVK_CAM_POS6="JB19"
p2_VVK_CAM_POS8="JB16"
p2_VVK_TURNSIGNAL_RIGHT="JB5"
p2_VVK_CHANGE_PYRAMID_TELE=""
p2_VVK_CHANGE_PYRAMID_WIDE=""
p2_VVK_CARV_GEAR1="JB9"
p2_VVK_CARV_GEAR2="JB10"
p2_VVK_CARV_GEAR3="JB11"
p2_VVK_CARV_GEAR4="JB12"
p2_VVK_CARV_GEAR5="JB13"
p2_VVK_CARV_GEAR6="JB14"
p2_VVK_CARV_GEARR="JB15"
p2_VVK_MONITOR=""
p2_VVK_PAUSE="JpovB1"
p2_VVK_ORGANIZER="JpovB3"
p2_VVK_MAP_MISSION_SELECTOR="JpovB5"
p2_VVK_ENGINE_BRAKE="JpovB7"

[pook]

Originally Posted by USA Trucker

....CurrentJoystick="control Logitech G25 Racing Wheel USB"
[control Logitech G25 Racing Wheel USB]
pa_VVK_CARV_CLUTCH="JS1-F"
p2_VVK_TURNSIGNAL_LEFT="JB6".....

This is not FFB. These are actions.
The problem is the lack of FFB. You're all set at 120%?? This is not good.

Look like a setup for hardcore simulators, which are full of FFB.

-Pedals as a separate (box unchecked)
-Degress of Rotation of 540 ° -900 ° (depending on vehicle type)
Enable-force feedback (box checked)
Overall Effects Strength-90% (50% -90% depending on the plug-in for game, type of vehicle...etc)
Strength-spring effect 0%
Strength-Damper effect 0%
-Enable Centering Spring Games in force feedback (box checked)
Centering spring-strenth 0%
-Allow game to adjust settings (box checked)

This is the setting for harcore simulators. There assumes full function FFB game.
If you have 120 + everywhere, it is a bad game of FFB. This in turn controls the base G25 of software, because it would game no FFB.

This part

-Strength-spring effect
-Strength-damper effect
-Enable Centering Spring Games in force feedback
Spring-Centering, strenth
-Allow game to adjust settings
(It is there for the games with bad FFB. Steroids for the game with a mediocre FFB. But it will never be alright then.)

The quality of simulations with full FFB does not need this set. It should be at 0%. This setting, then the game takes full control over the steering wheel. And then there is no mutual conflict in both settings (game controllers FFB /own FFB game)

I would advise SoftLab. Play a full game with FFB. For example, LFS Live for speed or rF or sims from SimBin. He felt as a function steering wheel with full FFB. It is incomparable..

[obsolum]

Originally Posted by pook

This is not FFB. These are actions.

To be fair, USA_Trucker never said the FFB was perfect He just said his G25 worked perfectly which - I assume - just means he's happy with how he's got everything set up. Also, I very much doubt that USA_Trucker has ever played a proper racing sim so he may well be happy with the FFB in RnR. You're absolutely right in your post, but it all depends on what you're used to and what you expect from the game I'm a simracer myself so I have no doubt that the FFB in RnR will feel horrible to me. I would probably just turn it off completely if I ever got the game

[pook]

But rig n roll calls himself SIMULATOR. And this is not speculation. Simulator is everything most realistic as possible. This is a standart aspect (full of good FFB) for the game what he called a simulator. And this is just one aspect, one point. RnR It lacks the millions of other components. In order to enable the simulator to say ...

[USA Trucker]

@Pook

Listen, I'm not going to get into an argument with you about it. You ask for something, and I gave it to you. I also stated what my FFB Categories were set to. This works for ME. I'm not a computer genius, but I have a better then average knowledge. I can't answer for your system, or anybody else's. If you don't like what I posted, then I'll just simply delete it. I tried to answer your question the best I could. You are not exactly easy to understand. So, I just won't respond to you any more.

We all get the point that you, and others don't like the game, and you're beating a dead horse. I don't seem to have all the bugs some people are experiencing. I can also over-look a lot of things that are not done correctly. I don't post all the the bad things because, most have already done so, and quite frequently. There are some good points to this game too. It's not ALL bad. I have even gotten over the competition deliveries, as they are fairly easy to beat.

@Obsolum

I think I did use the word perfect, but what I meant was for ME. You're right, I don't play racing games. What I also meant by the word perfect, is that I can feel the steady vibrations on the steering wheel (as you do in a real truck). I feel the FFB on curbs, bumps, accidents, and off-road. To me, this is just right. I didn't do all the adjustments, my brother helped with a lot of it. I just tweaked minor things that I like. Hey, I tried to help Pook, now let him figure it out.

[pook]

USA Trucker
I guess we understand. I do not think badly or offensively. Hmm. But it was not meant to attack you. Sry. This is probably my bad english

[Dnkiwi]

USA Trucker i very much share the same view as yourself towards this game / simulator and found that my logitech G25 has no fualts with in the game at all and was amazed that RnR even picked up the right settings and i also found that i tweaked a couple of the key bindings a bit just to make it work for me on the wheel and the hassel with the FFB is almost non existant for me but is very much at a normal level compared to other games / Driving Simulators .

if anoyone would like my setup details for the wheel feel free to pm me and i would more than happy to offer my advice on the key bindings .

[USA Trucker]

@Dnkiwi

Thanks, I was beginning to think I was the only one. In addition to your public response, I had 2 PM's that indicated the same as you. I encouraged them to go public, but one said "I don't want to fuel the fire of ignorance". So, I just let it go at that. Yours works, along with my brother, mine, and those two PM's. I'm willing to bet that there are more out there.

[obsolum]

Ah, here we are with the mysterious individuals PM'ing USA_Trucker again Say, are those the same ones who said the gearbox and clutch implementation were very realistic, complete with grinding noises and everything?

[USA Trucker]

Originally Posted by obsolum

Ah, here we are with the mysterious individuals PM'ing USA_Trucker again Say, are those the same ones who said the gearbox and clutch implementation were very realistic, complete with grinding noises and everything?

One of them yes. The other is fairly new to the forum. They're not mysterious. I just don't give names out, unless they wish to. I tried to encourage this (public broadcasting), so that people would know that the G25 does work if tweaked, but that's their choice. I get lots of PM's, but I only mention the G25 because of the controversy surrounding this topic. There is someone else that likes it, and he made a post about it. I believe it's in the G25 thread going back about 6 months or so.

I'm just trying to point out that some of us got it to work correctly. I have not, to date heard any gear-grinding though. Those that do like, please post it publicly like Dnkiwi did, and that other guy. Dnkiwi, is even willing to show everyone how he got it to work by PM. I would also like to see this done publicly too, so that all can benefit from it. Guys, don't PM me about it. Share the knowledge. I respect your privacy, but this should be put out in the forum, and not solely addressed to me.