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[Houndstone Hawk]

Originally Posted by stealth finger

so what is the mark? You ask how you can compare IL2-'46 or other pc versions to IL2-Birds of Prey? Is that correct? If so my question is how can you not?

LISTEN! I'm making a remark to someone making the comparison & I challenge it. Now having to repeat myself to someone that believes 90% of ppl have no care for the work of Maddox & his team is completely pointless.

The name IL-2 Sturmovik was bolted onto this title to sell units. Chuck the Sturmovik namesake onto Blazing Angels 3 & you'd be jumping up & down for sure, but you'd then also be obliged to compare because they both start 'IL-2'

How can you NOT make & challenge comparisons to flight games, that's what 'ppl like me' believe anyway.

[stealth finger]

Yeah the 90% I pulled out of my ass meant to mean most gamers that arent into PC sims, and never said 'ppl'. Looks like it's a bit of a touchy subject so i'll step back. IL2 wasnt even my point. It's that you seemed to be saying they couldnt be compare for whatever reason which IMO is stupid.

[Houndstone Hawk]

Originally Posted by stealth finger

Yeah the 90% I pulled out of my ass meant to mean most gamers that arent into PC sims, and never said 'ppl'. Looks like it's a bit of a touchy subject so i'll step back. IL2 wasnt even my point. It's that you seemed to be saying they couldnt be compare for whatever reason which IMO is stupid.

Well mate, I don't debate with ppl that 'pull facts & figures out of their ass'. Atleast PantherAttack puts across a point & openly knows what he's talking about.

And true: My point remains. They can't be compared; particularly now you're ass-talking figures tell me that most flightsim gamers don't even know of the pc title I speak of.

I think that's your view & not the view shared by many others!

I'm outta here, it's Sat night u know!

[PantherAttack2]

Oh, okay, since I 'know what I'm talking about' I'll talk.

What stealth finger is saying is that almost nobody knows who Oleg Maddox is (relative to the rest of the world) or even cares who he is. You can compare anything to anything. I can compare the pencil that's a few inches away from my keyboard to a bowling ball if I wanted to. Or a palm tree to a pine tree. Maybe television remote to a rock in the desert?

A lot of this conversation consists of generalizations and assumptions, but I guess that doesn't necessarily matter. All stealth finger is saying is that you can compare BoP to IL-2 1946.

[stealth finger]

Originally Posted by PantherAttack2

What stealth finger is saying is that almost nobody knows who Oleg Maddox is (relative to the rest of the world) or even cares who he is. You can compare anything to anything. I can compare the pencil that's a few inches away from my keyboard to a bowling ball.

Exactly this. I never said people haven't heard of il2. They have but have no idea about the people who make it.

You can take the example from anywhere. Most gamers dont know about the differences between the original fallout games on pc and the new one on consoles. They where made by completely different companies in different ends of the spectrum genre and are rightly compared. Some can't stand the new style and consider it an insult to the fallout name, some cant stand the old style or never played it, some appreciate both and don'y know what all the fuss is about,

[PantherAttack2]

Originally Posted by stealth finger

Most gamers dont know about the differences between the original fallout games on pc and the new one on consoles. They where made by completely different companies in different ends of the spectrum genre and are rightly compared. Some can't stand the new style and consider it an insult to the fallout name, some cant stand the old style or never played it, some appreciate both and don'y know what all the fuss is about,

That's a perfect example. I for one appreciate both, but that's another story.

Fallout 3 and Fallout 2 are very different games. But they still have the same theme and general setting. The same applies for IL-2 1946 and IL-2 BoP. Both are aerial combat games set in Europe during World War II. Just like Fallout 2 and Fallout 3 are both role-playing-games set in a post-apocalyptic United States.

[winny]

To say that you can't compare 2 games that share the same name, forum and genre is wrong.

You can have different expectations across platfoms. Even then you'll still be able to make comparisons.

Originally Posted by Houndstone Hawk

I won't dwell on my many disappointments in this title & will not compare it to its PC counterpart (although why I feel I shouldn't is perhaps strange as for one, it is a title that shares the esteemed name to an untouchable pc combat sim & so why shouldn't it be compared, & another; its pre-build up was to always maintain its realism & immersion that I personally believe, falls way short of even Over G Fighters).

This is mirrored a treat in IL-2 also. Wanna take off & land in PC IL-2; fine. Don't wanna bother but instead set up a quick training type battle in just a few clicks that gives you the choice of multiple wingmen, fellow bombers & such against a multitude of enemies in mixed aircraft, fine also. How about a more detailed tool to create an entire mission? ...go for it, it's all there & the best thing. You only ever needed around 4 or 5 keyboard inputs to create all of this. You telling me that todays consoles cannot harbour this ability to give a console gamer this option when say the original xbox proved otherwise with op flashpoint 1 & even Far Cry?

[juz1]

What do you mean *insert console version of sim game here* is anything like *insert PC version of sim game here*?

The console game is just a top down, pub coin op clone and the PC game is the second coming of Christ (who looks Russian, I swear!).

I'm not discussing this with people that generalise numerical data...

You all massively need to know I'm off to self-aggrandise with a Perry Como tribute Sciffle/Ragga 4 piece synth progressive-rock outfit, I'm on wagon wheels me!



Who needs screaming modern warfail teens when there's such wonderful pomposity to be had here ...

Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to pointlessly let you know I'm off to count the bloated,undigested sultanas in my daughters nappy....hey look, 5 this morning!

[PantherAttack2]

Originally Posted by juz1

What do you mean *insert console version of sim game here* is anything like *insert PC version of sim game here*?

The console game is just a top down, pub coin op clone and the PC game is the second coming of Christ (who looks Russian, I swear!).

I'm not discussing this with people that generalise numerical data...

You all massively need to know I'm off to self-aggrandise with a Perry Como tribute Sciffle/Ragga 4 piece synth progressive-rock outfit, I'm on wagon wheels me!



Who needs screaming modern warfail teens when there's such wonderful pomposity to be had here ...

Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to pointlessly let you know I'm off to count the bloated,undigested sultanas in my daughters nappy....hey look, 5 this morning!

Are you drunk or something? I didn't understand any of that. Honestly.

[zg26]

My original point is that Il2 BOP has sullied the Il2 brand. I never directly compared the games. The reason I had such high hopes for BOP (and indeed bought it without even considering 'Heroes over Europe') was because of the reputation of the Il-2 series. Now because I feel I've been let down by BOP it reflects on the whole brand. They can't have it both ways and trade on their brand for sales (as in " Famous title comes to consoles") and then say oh no thats nothing to do with their brand when it turns out to be a turd.

Why do you think Cadbury have trademarked their color of purple for chocolate packaging? Why do Walt Disney suits scour the world looking for unlicensed images of mickey mouse in kids playgrounds?