109 advice needed (climb)

[reflected]

Just now I shot up a Hurricane head on, then I started climbing away (I had E advantage) . I trimmed my E-3 perfectly, 2400 RPM, full throttle, climbing at 300 kph. By the time we were over France the Hurricane got within firing distance and shot me down.

What was I doing wrong? I obviously made a mistake, because the Hurricane was notorious for being slow, and sluggish, like a grand-piano with a Merlin.

Thanks in advance.

[AKA_Tenn]

I just try to keep my 109 flying 430 kph, i climb out before i engage and always keep my energy, when you fly the 109 you gotta realize the british pilots want you to slow down, so you need to keep fast and high, since they can't touch you then, there's no rush to shoot them down, just take your time and wait for the right opportunity.... catch one stalled out trying to climb up to you, or catch one by itself... but never do things your enemy plane does better than yours... well in the 109's case its more like... only do the one thing your plane does well... and thats climb at high speeds... try not to climb at stall speeds, while the hurricane can't climb with you at those speeds, the spit will...

and the 109 has a really small power band... thats true, but its better to waste power than not use enough power when it comes to not wanting to get shot down... screw the environment

[SEE]

I love this sim but the FM...... Here's a quote from Adolf Galland taken from an interview with him regards the allied ac during the BoB.

"the Hurricane was hopeless, nice to shoot down though!"

But changes are afoot (I hope!) and spare a thought for those of us (in Spits) who are yelling ' throttle back - can't keep up with you!'

[svend]

Originally Posted by SEE

I love this sim but the FM...... Here's a quote from Adolf Galland taken from an interview with him regards the allied ac during the BoB.

"the Hurricane was hopeless, nice to shoot down though!"

But changes are afoot (I hope!) and spare a thought for those of us (in Spits) who are yelling ' throttle back - can't keep up with you!'

1. Galland was a damn good pilot he had it in his blood
2. Alot of the allied pilots where new and untestet in combat (which Galland wasnt).

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by reflected

Just now I shot up a Hurricane head on, then I started climbing away (I had E advantage) . I trimmed my E-3 perfectly, 2400 RPM, full throttle, climbing at 300 kph. By the time we were over France the Hurricane got within firing distance and shot me down.

What was I doing wrong? I obviously made a mistake, because the Hurricane was notorious for being slow, and sluggish, like a grand-piano with a Merlin.

Thanks in advance.

At medium altitude and above (I'd say anywhere above 4000m) the Hurri climbs surprisingly well against a 109. If you want to do a sustained climb you should do what others have said and either climb very steeply at 250 km/h or very shallow at 400 km/h+.

Use emergency power ("afterburners" ) and don't be afraid to run the engine a little harder than 2400. At slow speeds, 2500 rpm won't cause you to overheat with rads open, and you get a little more climb out of it in my experience.

[ATAG_Doc]

The other pilot in the hurri was better than the pilot of the 109. That would be my guess.

[AKA_Tenn]

Originally Posted by timej31

The other pilot in the hurri was better than the pilot of the 109. That would be my guess.

well he wouldn't be asking for help here if that wasn't the case... obvious troll is obvious....

[ATAG_Doc]

Not really. It's my guess he found out someone was back there when it was a little too late. Otherwise the outcome would be different. Blame the pilot not the plane.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by timej31

Not really. It's my guess he found out someone was back there when it was a little too late. Otherwise the outcome would be different. Blame the pilot not the plane.

Sometimes the pilot needs help learning how to best use the plane.

[ZaltysZ]

Originally Posted by reflected

Just now I shot up a Hurricane head on, then I started climbing away (I had E advantage) . I trimmed my E-3 perfectly, 2400 RPM, full throttle, climbing at 300 kph. By the time we were over France the Hurricane got within firing distance and shot me down.

Are you sure you had E advantage? E is altitude+speed, and it is hard to judge speed of other plane sometimes. Also, through what speed range you went? Little mistakes in PP change accumulate greatly, and they are usually the reason why Rotol Hurricane catches BF109.