For better for worse ?

So the plan was to give us less updates and info about CLOD to reduce the whining... to avoid negative comments by some members and reduce animosity on the forum.
The new order was implented to facilitate communications between members and developers and "hire" a PR to be our common voice .
New moderation rules were implented to have better and more constructive discussions on this forum. Some disturbing members seems to be gone thru a banning process wich is less permissive than before.

Is this place better now ?

[carguy_]

Was it better before?

[Raggz]

Originally Posted by carguy_

Was it better before?

Actually yes, it was. It's never been worse than the last few days/weeks.

Originally Posted by carguy_

Was it better before?

Do you feel there is less whining, fighting and OT subject now ? That there are less futile and endless discussions about unrelated CLOD subjects ?
Less aggressive personnal statements ? The mods are submerged with complaints..So much that they ask us to ignore those comments... They can't handle the forum anymore...
So it seems it is the same as before...But at least before, we had direct conversations with Luthier, we had infos and updates..We felt we were kept in the loop...My conclusion is that the new system isn't working, and now it has become a self inflicted degradation in terms of PR and marketing....

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by XL5

Do you feel there is less whining, fighting and OT subject now ? That there are less futile and endless discussions about unrelated CLOD subjects ?
Less aggressive personnal statements ?

What I see is the same ole complaints made in the same ole style since April 2011. I would lie if I told you that I didn`t see the whine meter going up in recent days, but I don`t blame sudden stop of friday updates for it. I blame the lack of patch. The beta patch to be specific. I`m afraid that 1C made one too many statements on this one and people lost it completely.

What I think is that nor the style nor the general level of complaints changed. We had some weekly updates, but every single such thread ended up in flames, often set by the same people demanding everything at once. Mind you, not all of them complained about the same thing. There are two maybe three complainer groups who demand different things from 1C.

The mods are submerged with complaints..So much that they ask us to ignore those comments... They can't handle the forum anymore...
So it seems it is the same as before...But at least before, we had direct conversations with Luthier, we had infos and updates..We felt we were kept in the loop...My conclusion is that the new system isn't working, and now it has become a self inflicted degradation in terms of PR and marketing....

And what did that change. I wouldn`t blame if 1C figured it was to be damned if you do, damned if you don`t. So why even try talking since the same thing happens - aggresive posts about accusing of cheating the customers, completely burying the development plan and threats?

The community had its chance to show support, or maybe just the simplest respect. The community failed in that. Again, as it failed with Oleg Maddox` Ready Room miserably. It is obvious that some folks who have been complaining at 1C to hell and back, do not see any kind of their fault in this.

TBH I didn`t get an impression that I`d got left out of dev loop. All I saw was dev updates got a bit fewer over the time. The 1C`s explanation of running into some problems and working hard on them seemed ok to me. Because in spite of what the whiners say, Luthier always had something for us when he returned with some more info, and update. The banjo thing was a direct effect of whinerfest of people that couldn`t hold their bladder.

Then BlackSix came and said few things, made some good threads. He got flamed in the very same manner as before, when it was quite silent on the boards.

For those reasons I think dev updates changed nothing. We`ve got some people with nasty attitude here, who will always drag a dev update thread into their own personal matters. People just love to complain and make a fuss about it, what has been proven by some of the more vocal persons here on the boards in recent week.

I`d like to have the updates back again. But I don`t blame 1C for stopping them as the community`s promises about calming the mood have been false from the start.

[choctaw111]

I have been a member of the Il2 community since the beginning and Oleg has had my full backing and support.
Every week or so (I visit the UBI forum far more often even though it's all but dead there) I stop by this forum to see what is going on with CloD hoping that some new patch will allow me to finally fly it.
I have to honest and say that I was very disappointed when CloD was finally released last year and my decent rig couldn't run it.
That being said, I still have faith that the issues in CloD are being worked on and that someday I will be able to enjoy it as much as '46.
Until now, I was not aware of the moderators banning members for constructive criticism. There surely must have been something more going on for the ban hammer to fall.
As far as I'm concerned, at least for now, I have kept rather quiet about the shortcomings of CloD.
It is a beautiful looking sim with so much potential and am greatly looking forward to the day when the team finally has a polished product.

[mxmadman]

Well I've been here for a short time and I've only complained once, and only about one thing: their decision to stop communications because of the vocal minority who bash the developers. This happens in every company and in every industry. You cannot simply cut communications with an entire customer base because of what a fraction of those customers have done.

This is not the way a professional should conduct business.

So now you can state as fact that there are more complaints since that news broke, and direct them to my post.

[Insuber]

Giving importance to the whiners, by modifying your behavior according to their attitude, is the worst way to react for MG. A clever company would

1) Ignore the trolls (they are in every forum)
2) improve quality and frequency of their communication, in order to nurture and promote an healthy base of customers.

I'm very sorry to explain the ABC of business and life.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Insuber

1) Ignore the trolls (they are in every forum) .

They tried that. It failed miserably.

Originally Posted by carguy_

And what did that change. I wouldn`t blame if 1C figured it was to be damned if you do, damned if you don`t. So why even try talking since the same thing happens - aggresive posts about accusing of cheating the customers, completely burying the development plan and threats?

The community had its chance to show support, or maybe just the simplest respect. The community failed in that. Again, as it failed with Oleg Maddox` Ready Room miserably. It is obvious that some folks who have been complaining at 1C to hell and back, do not see any kind of their fault in this.

TBH I didn`t get an impression that I`d got left out of dev loop. All I saw was dev updates got a bit fewer over the time. The 1C`s explanation of running into some problems and working hard on them seemed ok to me. Because in spite of what the whiners say, Luthier always had something for us when he returned with some more info, and update. The banjo thing was a direct effect of whinerfest of people that couldn`t hold their bladder.

Then BlackSix came and said few things, made some good threads. He got flamed in the very same manner as before, when it was quite silent on the boards.

For those reasons I think dev updates changed nothing. We`ve got some people with nasty attitude here, who will always drag a dev update thread into their own personal matters. People just love to complain and make a fuss about it, what has been proven by some of the more vocal persons here on the boards in recent week.

I`d like to have the updates back again. But I don`t blame 1C for stopping them as the community`s promises about calming the mood have been false from the start.

MXMADMAN's comment is right on. This is the thing : since the new approch does'nt change how a minority behaves here, why not give us, the silent majority, a weekly headup on what is going on , and Luthier goes back to his work, not even reading our comments ? It then becomes OUR problem to deal with whiners and bad mouth childish members...Nothing to do with 1C...
And poor BSix...It is nothing personnal...He should also take a deep breath...For all of us, and no offense here, BlackSix, is a 8 letter word in charge of getting info for us. ANd the same goes for everyone here...Should we all be togheter in a PUB, that would be a nice crowd to deal with...