Don't make performances secret this time

PE_Tihi · #1 11-25-2008, 08:17 PM

I would like to appeal here to Oleg to release the performance numbers of the planes sumultaneously with the game release.
It has never been done for the Il2 series- only thing disclosed inofficially was the Il2 Compare by Youss. Dementis from Oleg -allegedly the tool has no accuracy - were not followed by the release of any other performance figures.
1C is certainly not going to release the game without knowing the performances of the planes themselves.
Oleg, I appeal once more, don't keep these data secret again. Release them with your signature below, and stay behind them.
There has been a lot of bad blood in the community around the plane performances during the whole Il2 series. Most planes had quite false performances. I hope that a lesson has been learned- and a sure sign of it would be the abandoning of Politbureau manners of secrecy regarding the plane performance data.

PE_Tihi

ElAurens · #2 11-25-2008, 11:34 PM

I just hope there is not another "balancing" of the FMs like the one done in FB.

Give the aircraft their real numbers and let the chips fall where they may.

96th_Nightshifter · #3 11-26-2008, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ElAurens

Give the aircraft their real numbers and let the chips fall where they may.

I Agree 100%

WTE_Galway · #4 11-26-2008, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ElAurens

I just hope there is not another "balancing" of the FMs like the one done in FB.

Give the aircraft their real numbers and let the chips fall where they may.

Yes well it depends whether you are trying to reproduced the actual real historical aircraft or the myth as told by great grand pappy that fought in the war as reproduced in movies.

Added to that the fact that many people seem to have an almost patriotic obsession with the superiority of their own countries aircraft and you have all the ingredients for an excellent and amusing flame war

IceFire · #5 11-26-2008, 01:12 AM

What "balancing" are we talking about?

Lots of planes in the IL-2 series had problems and most of those problems were fixed. But no matter what Oleg does, no matter what information he releases and no matter what format that information is in there will be arguing over performance. Now some of that arguing is healthy as you can zero in on a more realistic representation but some of that arguing is in the form of nonsensical trolling the kind that everyone has seen and hopes to never see again.

We're dealing with so many challenges from the complex subject matter that few if any individuals truly understand from top to bottom to lack of data from inadequate historical testing or lost documentation. There isn't going to be one right answer. Those who see things in absolute need not apply to this sort of thing.

Whatever happens....Storm of War will come out and the performance discussions will begin again. Not all of those are bad ones...we turned up allot of information with IL-2s discussions...and allot of that is worthwhile historical data that may not have been readily accessible before. Certainly not in one place like it was.

But I really hope to be able to have those discussions and read and learn as much as I can from the folks who are truly interested in the data and historical representation rather than some of the less desirable.

Al Schlageter · #6 11-26-2008, 08:08 AM

Be sure there will be one who whines the Spitfire is too good and the 109 is porked.

HFC_Dolphin · #7 11-26-2008, 10:19 AM

That's a fair request and I agree 100%.

zapatista · #8 11-26-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ElAurens

I just hope there is not another "balancing" of the FMs like the one done in FB.

Give the aircraft their real numbers and let the chips fall where they may.

yeps i agree

and i also think the performance numbers used should be available openly (with reference sources used)

and a version of an il2-compare type program should be released with BoB so it is simple to compare aircraft performance from the start.

Igo kyu · #9 11-26-2008, 10:47 AM

I agree I think.

The most odd thing I've encountered is myself in a Wildcat being caught in a dive by a Zero. The point about the Zero was that it was light, which meant it could climb, turn, all of that, but diving was not its strong point. I've a suspicion that the AI in il2 was designed for energy fighting, which meant that the Zero had to be turned into an energy fighter, whereas in real life it was a superb turn fighter. I find the Wildcat much too prone to stalls, and thus less fun than it might be.

Rama · #10 11-26-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ElAurens

Give the aircraft their real numbers and let the chips fall where they may.

Define what you mean buy "real numbers"... or your sentence is totally senseless..

When you will have defined what you mean, you'll see that "real numbers" isn't something unique and that among the different values for "real numbers" can be accepted universally... even when you can find sources (that could allow you to calculate "real numbers" in some very specific configurations)

Your proposal is totally unrealistic.