Late timing: Oleg making IL-3 Vista Only ??

[LEXX]

Will the new IL2 BoB sim, BoB And Beyond, or IL-3 (?) be for Vista only, and could that explain some of the delays? If so, I could see the Moscow Bureau taking time to learn and make everything work in Vista. I prefer XP, I guess because I know it, but there have been old predictions that XP would never work as well as Win98, and they turned out wrong in the long run (I think, maybe not for Win2000) so maybe Vista can work well eventually even better than XP.

[nearmiss]

Currently, I'm using a dual boot XP Pro (32 bit version)and Vista Ultimate ( 64 Bit version).

The XP 64bit is laughable from all I've read. Currently I'm having pretty good luck using the Vista as I've become acquainted with it.

MSFT will quit supporting XP and we'll have to use Vista, so just as well get with the program. I should say, if you have a 64 bit later model system.

I just updated to a quad core E6600 processor and just thought it is now or never. The IL2 works on it, but I usually dual boot into XP to run IL2 1946

If the SOW is very state of the art I would think Vista will be the ticket.

[LEXX]

Sounds good, thanks.

If BoB And Beyond is Vista only, then we will have to get Vista. ThirdWire is making all future sims Vista only.

[(UGF} Corporal Desola]

See, Windows XP 64-bit is was only targeted at Intel's Ithuim (it's spelt something like that, and it's not Lithium) 64-bit processor, which wasn't x86 compatible (not compatible with anyother processor at the time, meaning also you couldn't run your favorite third-party Windows programs on there) and plus the I-64 or IA-64 processor was so expensive that only labs, techies needing 128-bit floating point power with speed and some goverment organizations had an IA-64 machine and therefore they were the only ones who could use WindowsXP 64. I think only one service pack came out for it, so I imagine it has few bugs still.

The problem with Vista is that aparently it can render DirectX 8 and DirectX 7 (I don't know about this!), but what I do know, is that it fails when trying to be compatible with the old DirectInput versions because the compatibility for the previous DirectX versions' DirectInput isn't there.

It stuffs up as an Operating System because it uses DirectX to render the entier GUI, which uses more RAM, more CPU and requires that you have a 'DirectX compatible' video-card, the only up-side area of Vista is when you are a system administrator, you have more control (as in Security Options, ect...).

My opinion on all of this is that we are going technically backwards because instead of developing things to use less we are developing things to use more.

[GF_Mastiff]

I guess you guys were left out of the looop...

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...-wish-for.html

[LEXX]

Corporal::

It stuffs up as an Operating System because it uses DirectX to render the entier GUI, which uses more RAM, more CPU and requires that you have a 'DirectX compatible' video-card, the only up-side area of Vista is when you are a system administrator, you have more control (as in Security Options, ect...).

I heard about that. A low cost computer can use an integrated motherboard video for non-grafix intensive applications, and be used at low cost by many including businesses, but Vista itself is a grafix intensive "operating system" forcing high video costs on everyone. Is this Correct Thinking? Or would Vista have some option of doing away with the bloated grafix UI?

[LEXX]

I guess you guys were left out of the looop...

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...-wish-for.html

Very much so. Windows 7 instead of Vista?

I would have gone to Linux by now if I knew StrikeFighters could be run on it, its a pure DirectX game. I know FB/PF does well on Linux. I always said that if Linux application developers stopped trying to score brownie points with "businesses" and make Linux the most popular -- and "secure" -- gaming operating system, business would follow. Gamers grow up to run businesses.

[mondo]

Oleg has already said SoW:BoB is an OpenGL application. The whole DirectX discussion is moot. Might as well put your tin foil hats away, stop waving your arms around in a panic and read what Oleg has already said about SoW.

Originally Posted by LEXX

Corporal::
I heard about that. A low cost computer can use an integrated motherboard video for non-grafix intensive applications, and be used at low cost by many including businesses, but Vista itself is a grafix intensive "operating system" forcing high video costs on everyone. Is this Correct Thinking? Or would Vista have some option of doing away with the bloated grafix UI?

Vista used a GUI called AERO. Its not that graphically intensive and its not that bloated either. The system overheads are negliable. You can turn it off, in fact it does turn off when it encounters an application it can't work with. After working with Vista for some time now Its not actually all that bad. XP64 is still the most stable Windows OS but Vista, while quirky works ok.

[Thunderbolt56]

Agreed Mondo. This is just forum-fodder. Oleg has stated at leasta couple times that his next iteration (read:SoW) will be DX9 and fully compatible with WinXP.

Vista is the 2008 version of WinME. Leapfrog it and wait.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by (UGF} Corporal Desola

My opinion on all of this is that we are going technically backwards because instead of developing things to use less we are developing things to use more.

IMO, we've been going backward since the first version of windows was released. DOS code was and still is an efficient coding system. Gates had to build a OS for all the people that wouldn't read docs. Seriously, I worked in networking with DOS and it was practically impossible to get people to read a book or document to learn anything. It should also be mentioned that personal users were totally turned off by the complications of anything so difficult they had to study and read to learn enough to use a computer. It was terrible supporting DOS networks for sure.

We would never have had the interest today in computers, if ole Bill hadn't created the Windows workaround OS for dumb butts.

So, Gates created a monstrous hog OS that persists to date.

The funny part is, the old DOS commands are still being used in all sorts of background tasking. We used to laugh at the idea of windows... going around the world to get to the next town.