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Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles
If you're not a high flying Spit or Hurricane diving onto your targets, I'll be the first to say you're doing it wrong.
Blame the mission designers then, not the aircraft. It's not the Hurricane's fault that the AI bombers come in at 3500 meters.
If you're in any fighter, low on the deck, you're a sitting duck for anyone. Even a bad pilot.
You're implying I'm somehow against people having fun? I'm definitely not. What puzzles me is when people fly on full-real servers and then imply that they don't like to fly high and dive on their opponents. That's what you're SUPPOSED to do.
Any time you engage at Co-Energy, you're doing it wrong.
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Sigh.
YES, EVERYONE should be attempting get above their targets and dive down on them.
The way the mission is designed is EXACTLY where I'm trying to place all of this '109s are better than Spits and Hurricanes' stuff. The 109 has many TECHNICAL advantages that can be negated by TACTICAL advantages. Those TACTICAL advantages get taken away by the SITUATIONAL REQUIREMENTS of the mission struture.
OF COURSE anyone who is low on the deck is a bad situation. 109 or Spit or Hurricane. But if you're trying to tell me that at equal altitude there's no advantage in being in a 109 (pilot skill considered equal), then you're bonkers. See Recoilfx's posts.
You're SUPPOSED to destroy targets in France/England and protect your targets in France/England. No where in there do I see 'get lots of kills!'. If getting lots of kills was the objective of the map, I bet we would see people jockeying to get higher and higher above each other. You can bet I wouldn't be going out below 18k ft.
But I CAN'T!!!! If I want to defend a target, 18k ft is USELESSSS!!!$!@#$O(#*&%)(%&)(W$*%&
So, the ONLY thing I can try to do is try to get together a skilled bunch of RAF pilots to fly low bomber cover and high fighter cover cap and work together. This is very hard to do with untrained people. I'm working on it, but it's hard.
Let's repeat:
1. I'm not advocating anyone in a 109 change how they play. Keep doing what you're doing.
2. I'm not even advocating that the flight models need to be changed. I certainly would LIKE to have a Spitfire that is more Fire than Spit, but it's not going to do anything to solve the "problems" being presented by 109s diving on their targets. It's not a problem. It's a tactical mistake made by the Spitfire pilot.
3. I AM saying, and have been in nearly every post I've made, that this is mostly VENTING FRUSTRATION at a mission structure that is friendly to the single or pair 109 pilot and very unfriendly to groups of RAF pilots. We need to seriously up our game to deal with something that a relatively adequet pilot on BLUE side can execute no problem (stay high, dive on target - WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO). The appropriate counter measure to this (the low/high cover) is not something that your adequet red pilot can do. It takes some skill.
My suggestion is this as an example. Get 4 pilots to fly together on comms. For some people, that's hard enough. Fortunately, it's getting easier as people get to know each other. Then get two of them to fly at 5,000 ft. Get the other two to fly at 15,000 ft. See if the 15k boys can keep eyes on the 5k boys over the course of 30 minutes. Constantly keep eyes on. That's not easy for experienced pilots I think, let alone fresh ones.
EDIT: Getting frustrated again, but only because you seem to be misreading what I'm saying in previous posts. Let's just call it miscommunication and get back to flying. This'll be my last post on the subject of all this.