[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by winny

I'm happy with the current situation, ie: Total ban on Handguns and Semi Automatics.

that is not even correct, you can still own muzzle loading guns and semiauto rimfire. Get your facts straight.

I have never once in this discussion said that guns are bad or good, it's you who keeps making this about good and bad, not me.

this is a petty point to be honest..

More adequate? You mean lift the ban on Handguns and Semi's? That's relaxing in my opinion.

if there was no adequate adapting of the laws yes, but this is not what my point was.

The only people responsible were the shooters, they all had gun licences, so they passed the criteria at the time. The reason you can't own a semi automatic is Michael Ryan. The reason you can't own a handgun is Thomas Hamilton. Not because the system failed, they failed, as gun owners. You want a nanny state whilst not wanting nanny state, if they are banned there is no grey area.

No, if you read the law, the people that appoint such licenses can be as responsible as the perpetrators of the crime. The ultimate and biggest responsibility is with the perps of course, but the institutions are responsible (because of their neglect despite the repeated reports) too.

This is probably the biggest nanny state on the planet, your Government doesn't trust you at all.

The obvious soultion here is that you move to Switzerland.

I wish I could, but I have to be here because of the specialised work that your lot can't do, and to pay for the welfare bunch that can't do anything else but claim their rights

Er, isn't that pretty much the current UK situation? We have Shotgun licences, and seperate firearms licences, you have to have your medical records checked, you have to have safe storage, you have to be a member of a gun club or designate the land where the guns will be used.

it's similar, but not the same, again, since you're so worried about the dangers of gun ownership, try and apply to get a license and see how actually easy it is.

As for ongoing mental health checks, very, very hard to seperate the 'loonies'
as you call them from the responsible gun owners (if responsible gun owner isn't an oxy-moron)

yeah, I suppose that your PhD in Psychology helped you giving a professional opinion on the matter.. your alleged funny punchline shows once again your ignorance on the subject. You think of a gun owner as it was a ticking bomb..

Fact is all you have to do is show 'good reason' and as far as I'm concerned, looking a them, or firing them at weekends isn't a good enough reason to own a handgun or a semi, thankfully this also appears to be the stance taken inthe UK towards that type of gun ownership.

yeah, that's your opinion, but then again it's the typical approach you have here, condescending and patronising towards everything that doesn't follow the herd.

You want to collect or shoot a handgun / Semi / Machine gun in the UK?
You can't, why? Because people with legally held weapons went on a killing spree. We banned them because of legal gun owners, not criminals with guns. Like I said if you don't like it, move to Switzerland.

no, you can't because of a combination of factors:
1) a certain politically correct layer of society pushed for it, fed by ignorance.
2) Tories couldn't go for an unpopular choice in front of the horror, besides an unarmed country is easier to control.
3) people don't understand their rights and the importance of defending them.

this could only happen in a country like the UK, where there are moral double standards (a gun is dangerous! Binge drinking is safe!) and pretentious moral values.. but above all where people are sheep enough to be imposed things without saying anything.

A little example for you: in the office where I work the new management (which is earning salaries two to 3 times higher than the previous) has decided to remove all the rubbish bins from the offices "to promote recycling" they said, but in reality they did it to cut costs. Instead of complaining and pointing the obvious (i.e. why is the new CEO earning two and a half times the salary of this country's Prime Minister?!), they just comply and waste time walking back and forth to the kitchen area to use the bins there..

A few months back they proposed to close the bars in our offices, again "to cut costs", and in front of the menace of no booze over lunch break there have been petitions, discussions and what not..

(drunken) sheep, nothing more, nothing less.