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Skoshi Tiger 09-27-2012 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackSix (Post 464127)
This is my fault. I should collect 5-10 old questions and send them to Ilya. But I made new threads and I collected over 200 questions. I don't know when he'll find time for this.

Don't worry? We're all adults here. Waiting not a problem.

Looking forward to the next update (when it's ready)

skarden 09-27-2012 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackSix (Post 464127)
This is my fault. I should collect 5-10 old questions and send them to Ilya. But I made new threads and I collected over 200 questions. I don't know when he'll find time for this.

Ah fair enough then B6, thanks for the reply, I personally think you've done the right thing here by giving him a bunch of new questions, hopefully with a larger selection he can pickout the ones that are most prudent and important to the community .
Thanks again ~S~

MadTommy 09-27-2012 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackSix (Post 464127)
This is my fault. I should collect 5-10 old questions and send them to Ilya. But I made new threads and I collected over 200 questions. I don't know when he'll find time for this.

Yeah yeah we get the picture.. He is too busy to communicate with the users of the software he's developing. This just about says it all. :|

After months of silence, nearly 12 months since the last non beta patch and significant bugs remaining who would have imagined the community has a few questions.

Tree_UK 09-27-2012 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackSix (Post 464127)
This is my fault. I should collect 5-10 old questions and send them to Ilya. But I made new threads and I collected over 200 questions. I don't know when he'll find time for this.

To be honest BS we want the new questions answering, just pick 20 questions that are repeated the most, this should take Luthier about an hour or so to do if he really wanted to. 2 weeks after he said he would be back later in the evening is completely unaccepatble. Remind him please that we have waited 19 months so far and the game still isn't half what it should be.

yobnaf 09-27-2012 01:59 PM

Thanks for your words. B6 and keep up the good work for this great sim.

Feathered_IV 09-27-2012 02:04 PM

If Luthier does not have the time to answer the questions, I might suggest that he takes the time to read them at least. I think it would do some good.

Mysticpuma 09-27-2012 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackSix (Post 464127)
This is my fault. I should collect 5-10 old questions and send them to Ilya. But I made new threads and I collected over 200 questions. I don't know when he'll find time for this.

Honestly B6 if that's the best that can be done it's just opening this thread up to the harbingers of doom. Sadly I believe I have become one :(

You offered us after (MANY) months the chance to actual actually get answers to the many issues that have been raised. The community again was sparked into life! At-last, a chance to get some actual, proper input from the devs.

What do we get! No answers, too many questions!

Seriously?

The only issue is that this whole fiasco of disrespect for those who really love the IL2 series who again were lured into thinking that we we important to the devs, feel again that we have been lined up for a practical joke!

I can see Luthier rolling on the floor laughing "haha, they actually believed I was going to listen! Too funny! Put the questions in the bin, I have to finish my next practical joke and see who falls for that!"

The only reason the disrespect and disillusionment has swept this forum is from the totallack of interest and apathy apparent from 1c regarding those who actually care to post issues or bugs that need fixing only to hear that the bug tracking isn't even read!

But post your questions regarding the real issues and bugs and Luthier will ignore those too!

If anyone at 1c had bothered to visit these forums, react to the vast input that has ben made, the community wouldn't have had to ask so many questions (that he can't be bothered to answer). They could have been answered over the last 18 months in something called a Friday update?

The total lack of disrespect and apathy on the part of 1C is something I don't believe I have encountered in years of visiting forums.

The main issue now is trust. We are told (wel guess!) that BoM is the next greatest Sim, but why the hell do you expect us to believe that, when 1C can't even be trusted to answer genuine questions regarding software on which people have already spent money?

I don't know if 1C can gain the respect back, once bitten, twice shy!

I can only say as others have, we are all busy, we all have jobs or other things that encroach on our time, but we care bout this product which is why we offer inputand suggestions for making it better.

It's a shame that 1C don't appear to have the same passion for their product as we do and that can only mean they are not interested in anything but the money they get.

If Luthier makes an effort in his busy day to spend just 20 minutes on a Friday (even at home!) like we have done daily for many months then it would be a start, but what makes us think that he will be bothered after his last foray into the forum?

The only issue that has made negativity rage through these threads is the the lack of input after Luthier apparently showed he was interested in the community. The lack of answers has reinforced what many believed, that we'll only be of interest again when he has some more dodgy software to offer from the back of a car!

He needs to answer the questions that we took time to ask to at least start gaining some respect and credibility if he wants us to believe in his commitment to us and our future investment in software he claims is fit for release!

Answers to questions please that were asked and we'll go from there.

Disillusioned, MP

Stirwenn 09-27-2012 02:36 PM

Thx for the comms BS... but aren't you tired to be the fuse of your boss ? As for me, i do not believe a single word from your team. Jumping this forum one time a month is enough to learn that the next patch is coming soon (lol)...

Falstaff 09-27-2012 03:16 PM

Zapatista said:

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i think the explanation for the lack of readme and a decent manual, and the minimal communication, is rather more simple. its an issue of lack of time and forced priorities
Well yes, but if you're in this sort of situation then you recognise the need for a re-jig of priorities. The demands of mile-stones et al remain fairly constant (I've worked in complex software dev)...you still allocate time to do those small things you say you are going to do. Especially when they become disproportionately important to your customers/fans. It's commonsense and silly not to.

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the incomplete/unfinished beta release of CoD was forced by the "money men" who put their foot down after repeated delays and postponements of release dates (going back to 2006).
No offence, but this sounds like a cut n'paste from the Chivas book of holy supposition. We dont know what went on really, but it's been repeated so long it's become lore round here. Speculation...

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because of the good reputation of the il2 series, sales were initially pretty good and they recouped enough money to allow the project of a series of sequential releases in the SoW series to continue,....but....with CoD having been such a fiasco because it quickly became evident to users and reviewers that there were major prblems, both in poor sales as well as in product reputation and reviews, Luthier was told after 6 months not to continue to pour resources into it and focus on the next project (we have been told this directly)
Are you sure early sales were good? Figures? By what yardstick? I've heard abut the general situation but don't remember seeing it quoted...?

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if luthier does continue to work on CoD, he gets chastised by the bosses and risks the survival of the series (one more fiasco and they are dead, WE are dead), and if he doesnt work on fixes for it he is exposed to the howls of discontent and tirade of abuse in the forum. since the gfx and game engine needs to be fixed for BoM to succeed, we have the benefit of getting the fruits of that labor (and we just did with the beta patch of august 2012 which was a MAJOR improvement for mid and low end pc's, basically it made the game playable), but "content fixes" (other then a few glaring ones that majorly affect functioning of the product, like CTD;s etc..) have not been a priority at all and most efforts were put into BoM.
Is this supposition or fact? Where is the proof of the situation? Luthier may be saying whatever he likes for a variety of reasons (some to quell anxiety etc).
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however frustrating that is for us with the further delays, luthier mentioned in his last post that his team will put one last big effort into fixes for CoD (now that they have reached a milestone in the development of BoM which satisfies the bosses), which is pretty good news for us if we can get him to fix the main issues that affect gameplay and use of CoD (AI commands, LoD visibility, FM and DM issues,...).
*Surely* one lesson of the past 18 months is not to take anything said at face value? Actions, not words....

Falstaff 09-27-2012 03:22 PM

Blacksix said:

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This is my fault. I should collect 5-10 old questions and send them to Ilya. But I made new threads and I collected over 200 questions. I don't know when he'll find time for this.
Not entirely your fault, though distilling the questions down a lot would have helped. If he wants to help, he will.

Answering the questions is one thing. But being seen to give a damn is another. We dont need an expo or thesis on each one, but would quite like just the main points answering. And above that, some willingness to follow through as he said he would.

It's more about goodwill than anything else. God knows the game itself is in enough trouble.


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