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chris455 04-16-2012 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by addman (Post 408844)
Yup, that's the case. You gotta tweak the a.i the way you want it, don't use the presets. I'm gonna go ahead and refer you guys to the following very informative thread: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...ml#Post3543201
READ IT ALL

These settings have no effect whatsoever. I would love it if they did, but even in FMB I can tweak these values all day long and the AI remain as dumb as a bag of hammers.
They will practically let you fly in formation with them if you say "pretty please".
Am I missing something? And could I ask to see a track of some truly aggressive enemy AI after such tweaks?
Thank you!
Chris

smink1701 04-16-2012 03:04 AM

Ok...just about there. I built a mission and it shows up in the FMB Load Mission area. Once I select the mission and load it I get a map with red and blue lines, numbers, etc...the usual stuff. I'm just having some issues with right clicking on the aircraft flight. When I do so it just says "Paste from File." I'm obviously doing something wrong or I'm in the wrong place. :confused:

5./JG27.Farber 04-16-2012 07:14 AM

Left click...

5./JG27.Farber 04-16-2012 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by smink1701 (Post 409596)
OK…a few questions from the FMB cement head…:!:

-In FMB I load a mission I see…Bomber Intercept, Free Hunt, London Attack, etc. All from Single Missions. I don’t see anything from QM’s like Dogfight Even, Dogfight Lower Level, Advantage Axis, etc. Where are the SM’s and can you edit and save?

Appears the QM's are under mission, not missions but are hidden files. I could not get them to show up, any way you can build your own.


Quote:

Originally Posted by smink1701 (Post 409596)
-Also, when you go into FMB and see File, Edit View, what is the thread to the Aircraft Flight so you can access Properties and the AI sliders?

Goto View, object viewer. This is for all objects. Just remember there is a difference between objects which are "alive" and that move and "Statics" that do not move. "alive" objects need at least two waypoints or you cant save your mission!


Quote:

Originally Posted by smink1701 (Post 409596)
-If you save a SM or QM, how do you delete? I tried to right click but no dice.

If you want to delete a mission, do so like a normal file. Docs, 1csoftclub, missions... I always creat folders for each mission so its less cluttered. However in FMB you cant see a folder in a folder in missions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by smink1701 (Post 409596)
-Finally, is there a way to toggle icons like in IL-2?

Toggle icons on/off? Good question. I dont know, try the old key for it else look in the controls.

Quote:

Originally Posted by smink1701 (Post 409596)
My thanks to anyone willing to weigh in.

NP! :-P


Some other things which may help you. -

You can either use Ctl + left click or click where you want it and press insert to place an object.

Hold a and left click and drag to define the battle area, set the last value to 10000 for nice big useable grid squares.

click on an object or on the map and press enter on the NUM pad to go into 3D view.

Whilst in 3D view with an object selected press the keys on the NUM pad to rotate.

You need to give bombers bombs and the appropriate fuses.

Save your work regulary, the FMB sometimes crashes but not as bad as the game.

You can test your work by adding an aircraft and and clicking the player box in its preoperties, select file, play mission. You can use the [ and ] keys for time compression.

Wether and clouds etc are under Mission Parameters, in edit I beleive.

You might want to set armies, under edit I think.


Hope this helps. :cool:

SlipBall 04-16-2012 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber (Post 409688)
Appears the QM's are under mission, not missions but are hidden files. I could not get them to show up, any way you can build your own.




Goto View, object viewer. This is for all objects. Just remember there is a difference between objects which are "alive" and that move and "Statics" that do not move. "alive" objects need at least two waypoints or you cant save your mission!




If you want to delete a mission, do so like a normal file. Docs, 1csoftclub, missions... I always creat folders for each mission so its less cluttered. However in FMB you cant see a folder in a folder in missions.



Toggle icons on/off? Good question. I dont know, try the old key for it else look in the controls.



NP! :-P


Some other things which may help you. -

You can either use Ctl + left click or click where you want it and press insert to place an object.

Hold a and left click and drag to define the battle area, set the last value to 10000 for nice big useable grid squares.

click on an object or on the map and press enter on the NUM pad to go into 3D view.

Whilst in 3D view with an object selected press the keys on the NUM pad to rotate.

You need to give bombers bombs and the appropriate fuses.

Save your work regulary, the FMB sometimes crashes but not as bad as the game.

You can test your work by adding an aircraft and and clicking the player box in its preoperties, select file, play mission. You can use the [ and ] keys for time compression.

Wether and clouds etc are under Mission Parameters, in edit I beleive.

You might want to set armies, under edit I think.


Hope this helps. :cool:


A work around is possible by choosing "save as" in the quick page generator. Then find it/make a copy to your soft club mission/open in FMB/make AI adjustment/then replace the original with your doctored version.

planespotter 04-16-2012 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris455 (Post 409645)
These settings have no effect whatsoever. I would love it if they did, but even in FMB I can tweak these values all day long and the AI remain as dumb as a bag of hammers.
They will practically let you fly in formation with them if you say "pretty please".
Am I missing something? And could I ask to see a track of some truly aggressive enemy AI after such tweaks?
Thank you!
Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmuDi2F60-8

Watch the AI 109 which is 'leading' the flight in this HK video. Very very aggressive and no ridiculous maneouvres. Good use of the vertical, in fact. Only AI fail was at the end where he hit the beach, but that looks like he took some AAA fire.

These fixes working for me. Like it says they csn't completely fix, but is ten times better anyway. Can't explain why it isn't working for you.

bolox 04-16-2012 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber (Post 409688)




If you want to delete a mission, do so like a normal file. Docs, 1csoftclub, missions... I always creat folders for each mission so its less cluttered. However in FMB you cant see a folder in a folder in missions.



am i misunderstanding something here? because i can see folders/sub folders in fmb

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/bolox00/ss1.jpg

Artist 04-16-2012 04:56 PM

I just found out that if you create a folder while CloD is running, it will not be shown in FMB. If you quit CloD and restart it, it appears in the FMB...

5./JG27.Farber 04-16-2012 04:59 PM

Yes artist that is true, you must make the folders first.

Bolox, I save my missions in missions/multiplayer/dogfight/myfoldername. If I then put a folder inside my folder - it wont show up. Thats what I ment.

Zappatime 04-16-2012 06:12 PM

I've recently found that if I load a single mission (one I made myself, not from a copy of an existing cod mission) then alter it and do a 'save as' with a totally new name, it appears to save it with that name ok, but when I then go back to 'Siingle Mission' on the gui, and look down the list of missions what I see is the new mission with the same name as the original, if I repeat the process I end up with three missions all different but all with the same name - they do have the later changes I made but the names are all the same as the mission I first made them from, very odd. Going out of cod and back in doesn't change it to the correct name, but if I look in the missions folder its there listed with its new name, not a cloned name:confused:


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