From what I see, there are two different approaches to IL2 and CoD. CoD is more of a simulator and IL2 is more of a video game. I started in flight sims because of IL2 and absolutely love it if I want to go fight and rack up kills. But CoD is far more complex and challenging if that is what I feel like. Skipping the CEM and airstarts, go to IL2. Trying to feel like you are in a real fighter? CoD for sure. I got a chance to fly the Collins Foundation dual seat P-51 and all the time spent learning the gauges and procedures in IL2 paid off. I felt really connected and at home in the airplane.
One other thing; I wish everyone would build at least a partial pit at home to do their flying. Flipping real switches and knobs changes it from being boring key commands to a real feeling of control.
Blackdog you are right. Dont take away realism, add more!! People forget that these guys pay attention to the forums and feedback, they are having issues but will get them sorted and it will be amazing.

For those who would like to see CLoD in Hyperlobby please feel free to stop by and make a post.I would like to see CLoD get the home it deserves.In my Opinion if it had HL support from the start it would be much better by now and many more servers to fly in.It needs a community where it can grow and not be held back like it is in Steam.Maybe if some of you guys can make a post and ask Jiri what he needs it can get the home it deserves.
~S~ to all.

As I see it the reason for this is CloD did not get enough positive publicity yet to attract many newcomers. A few newcomers that came are discouraged by MP interface that is not absolutely intuitive. When CloD has better publicity to attract rookies and most bugs are fixed I think at least one 'newbie' server with easy settings will be needed as in some other sims.

I never found Spits vs 109 to be airquake, in-fact as 1946 dogfight servers go it is the farthest from it. Now of course being a dogfight server there is a certain amount of instant gratification and short(er) flight times to targets and opponents, but I can’t think of another 1946 DF server that has nearly as many pilots trying to achieve the objectives laid out in the brief, most other servers pilots just go for air to air action and don’t even bother with the objectives.

What I am looking forward to are the campaigns in CoD. I am sure there is going to be some time before we see these as the game is developed into a more refined product and the brilliant folks who put these together work into C ++. I do miss the days of VOW, VEF, VWF, Bellum (and all of its clones), Forgotten Skies, Ghost Skies (which is running again), SEOW and all the other campaigns where there was true immersion into a mission. At one point in “old” IL2 there were so many choices in terms of what you could find in HL that 99% of what an online WW2 virtual fighter pilot wanted could be found easily. I still fly in a regular Il2 1946 campaign and I have done so since 2003, Hopefully sometime in the future I can say the same for CoD.

JD
AKA_MattE

I was the one who started the subject up over in the Hyperlobby forums quite some time ago under my Hyperlobby handle...II./JG27_Rich


http://hyperfighter.sk/modules.php?n...ewtopic&t=7954


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Well, as one of the guys that hasnt had much to do with it I can tell you why I havent, and why everyone I know hasnt.

I don't have anything against it exactly, but its just uninteresting, unfinished, and hollow. I'm sure that when a finished product is released the players will come in droves but the reputation that this sim has precedes it far and wide. I know many guys that simply wont bother with it, and wont until its of the same quality as IL2. Understand their mindset, why leave a good thing right?

If we wanted to just fly a simulator, we would fly FSX or some such sim. In that regard as far as CEM sure, CoD is fine.
But its a COMBAT simulator, and in this regard its just a bit, hollow compared to the alternatives.
Then add in that it isn't visually gratifying and confined to a very small, and to many uninteresting part of the war and well its just a recipe for disaster. Why should we bother to learn to fly the new sim when it doesn't offer anything that we want?

Spits/109s used to be good until they gave GunRunner admin rights. It used to be a solid, full real server and then they started adding airquake rules like "no vulching" and then it became "no attacking landing/taking off planes" and then it became "no going anywhere near enemy airfields". That's why it's called airquake: everybody has a cylinder of "Home Free" extending upwards from their airfields that they can retreat to.

So now you have a bunch of mediocre pilots who just dive away to their airfield if they lose the advantage and then call the admins to ban you if you chase them home to shoot them down.

Awful, awful servers with egotistical administrators.

I think that's too narrow minded. Warclouds yes but not Spits VS 109s. I'm a 109F nut. To me there's nothing more boring than screaming down, firing and zooming away. I like long fights where I get killed 75% of the time.

If you vulch in a server where it's permitted you're a dirty SOB though. :)

Ive never understood this "Vulching" concept. That's combat!
The only thing I hate is the d-bags who shoot parachutes. That was not tolerated for the most part, and as far as I'm concerned anyone who does so should earn an instant ban.

Its one of the reasons I don't care for spits V 109's, too many times I see a guy shoot someone down, then swing around and shoot the pilot in his 'chute. Disgusting.