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Originally Posted by Buzpilot (Post 273781)

So, with your experience with warbirds and vintage planes, you would say the Spit approach at ~100 is quit real, or maybe even worse than in reality?

if we're talking about mph I can tell you it's a bit on the fast side, but mind you, AFAIK on a fully loaded Spit the speed should be just under 90mph, so it's not much of a difference there.

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 273792)

if we're talking about mph I can tell you it's a bit on the fast side, but mind you, AFAIK on a fully loaded Spit the speed should be just under 90mph, so it's not much of a difference there.

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I find CoD Supermarine Spitfire being a little bit heavy and too much stable in my opinion at about 90 to 110 mph approach and touch, more heavy than it seems to be in some videos of the real one

Was just trying to see what happen if i asked directly, and not as a 'comment', like you put it.

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Originally Posted by Buzpilot (Post 273795)

Was just trying to see what happen if i asked directly, and not as a 'comment', like you put it.

well I never flown with a Spitfire Mk.I or II unfortunately. I could try and ask in the circuit and see what the RAF folks say, but I doubt the answer will be much different.

a quick browse of the interweb came with this:

http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spit2.html
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/n3171.html

which confirms my fallacious memory..

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 273704)

I do not agree, no, I would rather say that "a statement that is not supported by facts is arbitrary".
No, to be serious, I base that on X-Plane in fact, which simulates any kind of turbulences and does show the flight model if you request it to do so through multiple vectors.
I'm thinking about posting a video to show that, but I'm not sure it would be useful, I think there is a development work far mor on bug side at the moment.

The other point, I do not have a very good frame rate. It might be that planes behave differently on machines with very good frame rate.

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so if you say "I think the behaviour in this specific aspect is wrong because I have this RAF report/pilot note/physics formula to support my theory then we can discuss it, but if you say because it doesn't seem realistic to me/because in the movies they're different/because Elvis told me so then you can appreciate that it's yet another waste of forum space.

Ok, so as you do not know exactly based on which facts I write that statement, you are in the same arbitrary. No, really I need to be serious :

Honestly, I think and I'm pretty sure the few months ahead will show developement on all parts including the FM, so if there is still a lack in that domain we could certainly dig deeper.

I have to admit that I did'nt want to do that initially, but here you are with some samples just to show another flight model :
Cesna 172 in wind turbulences, from X-Plane

To summurize, I gave you - it's true - my feelings, but there's not big deal. It's gonna be worked through if it is indeed needed in the next months. I'm pretty sure this sim will grow well. Certainly matter of time.

Bye,
JF

I doubt that CoD will ever be as open source as X-Plane, but I wish I was proven wrong at some point!

I have to admit I haven't paid much attention to X-Plane, it doesn't deliver quite the punch that I was hoping for..

Turbulence seems good though, but we had that in IL-2 as well!

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 273704)

..that was the whole point: J-F's opinion was based on his impression, not facts, and something as simple as adjusting your control sensitivity can do the trick..

to me, a statement that is not supported by facts is random like any other statement..

so if you say "I think the behaviour in this specific aspect is wrong because I have this RAF report/pilot note/physics formula to support my theory then we can discuss it, but if you say because it doesn't seem realistic to me/because in the movies they're different/because Elvis told me so then you can appreciate that it's yet another waste of forum space.

The programmers read books, pilot reports, pilot notes, and whatever they can to research WW2 aircraft performance data; I hope you didn't think all the programmers were WW2 Pilots and Mechanics!

They do lots of mathematical calculations to determine the flight and damage models that they feel will represent the aircraft. But in the end they take an educated guess which is just fine, it’s the only choose they have.

We offer our "opinion's" after buying the game and then they adjust the FM and DM from time to time. They would never need to adjust the FM and DM if they only used "the facts" but as we all know patch after patch mod after mod they do adjust the FM and DM and everything else.

Its all good ... have some faith in Oleg and his team.