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MorgothNL 09-20-2009 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riceball (Post 103089)
That's what I mean. You would think there would be an easy way to solve that.

Say a plane has four MGs. You set guns 1$3 to fire at the same time. And 2&4 fire at the same time. Problem solved. No?

thats what they did with for example the P-51 and the hurricane

But the Yak-9T was more intended to use its cannon at ground targets. It didnt need the 0 recoil to get a perfect burst at a turning plane.
It needed to be able to fire a few rounds in a tank, that it can do :)..
But yeah, to kill a tank, you need a big round, thus giving a lot of recoil. But since it didnt need 0 recoil for its goal... why bother fixing it

Besides, the big cannon is in the nose, you cant really compensate for that.
A gun in the left wing can be compensated by a gun in the right wing, the cannon of the yak is in the middle, what were they supposed to do :P
what is the easy way to solve that?

Riceball 09-20-2009 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MorgothNL (Post 103112)
thats what they did with for example the P-51 and the hurricane

But the Yak-9T was more intended to use its cannon at ground targets. It didnt need the 0 recoil to get a perfect burst at a turning plane.
It needed to be able to fire a few rounds in a tank, that it can do :)..
But yeah, to kill a tank, you need a big round, thus giving a lot of recoil. But since it didnt need 0 recoil for its goal... why bother fixing it

Besides, the big cannon is in the nose, you cant really compensate for that.
A gun in the left wing can be compensated by a gun in the right wing, the cannon of the yak is in the middle, what were they supposed to do :P
what is the easy way to solve that?

Ask the designers of the A-10. :-P Thing has a 12 foot gatling gun in it's nose.

MorgothNL 09-20-2009 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Riceball (Post 103117)
Ask the designers of the A-10. :-P Thing has a 12 foot gatling gun in it's nose.

I thinkkk, the fact that it has been made 30 years later, might maybe perhaps have something to do with that :P.

none the less, im gonna google my @ss off now for a sec, to see if there is something to say about that :P

EDIT: 2 sec later:
it might be because the gatlin is 30mm and the yak cannon 37mm

But I think im gonna go for the fact that the empty weight of the yak-9t was 2300kg... and of the A-10 it was 21000kg.. :).
same thing: try mounting a flak cannon on a bicycle, think you might notice the recoil a bit more, than on a tiger tank

Does make you wonder what would happen if you mounted the A-10 gatlin of the yak :D would it fly backwards ??

Ancient Seraph 09-20-2009 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MorgothNL (Post 103112)
Besides, the big cannon is in the nose, you cant really compensate for that.
A gun in the left wing can be compensated by a gun in the right wing, the cannon of the yak is in the middle, what were they supposed to do :P
what is the easy way to solve that?

Sarcasm my friend :).

I do believe however that when strafing a tiny tank you wouldn't want to much recoil either.. in any case, it would be wise to burst :).

Voyager 09-20-2009 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MorgothNL (Post 103124)
I thinkkk, the fact that it has been made 30 years later, might maybe perhaps have something to do with that :P.

none the less, im gonna google my @ss off now for a sec, to see if there is something to say about that :P

EDIT: 2 sec later:
it might be because the gatlin is 30mm and the yak cannon 37mm

But I think im gonna go for the fact that the empty weight of the yak-9t was 2300kg... and of the A-10 it was 21000kg.. :).
same thing: try mounting a flak cannon on a bicycle, think you might notice the recoil a bit more, than on a tiger tank

Does make you wonder what would happen if you mounted the A-10 gatlin of the yak :D would it fly backwards ??

The 30mm on the A-10 generates about as much thrust as one of its engines. The engire aircraft was designed around its installation, such that it's firing along nearly the exact center of mass of the plane. The Yak-9T, on the other hand, simply has its engine mounted 20mm cannon replaced with a 37mm, and one of the 12.7mm mg's taken off to cut the weight.

Wissam24 09-20-2009 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Riceball (Post 103117)
Ask the designers of the A-10. :-P Thing has a 12 foot gatling gun in it's nose.

I think you misspelt 20ft gatling gun.

20ft 100rps gatling gun

GabeFan 09-22-2009 03:51 AM

I wish the game had an option to turn this recoil off.

I know the arcade mode doesn't have recoil, but it would be nice in the other 2 modes to play without the recoil. Playing with the joystick makes it pretty difficult...

HauptmannMolders 09-22-2009 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GabeFan (Post 103730)
I wish the game had an option to turn this recoil off.

I know the arcade mode doesn't have recoil, but it would be nice in the other 2 modes to play without the recoil. Playing with the joystick makes it pretty difficult...

I completely understand which is why I switched back to the controller, hard to believe but think about it, its analog therefore minor adjustments are MUCH more accurate I guess the drawback is that you have to have coordinated thumbs to manage the minor adjustments! However the recoil was there so i'm glad its in and I honestly like dealing with it. The single biggest problem for me is the dead spot on the stick combined with the recoil and I definitely struggle with the sticks currently available...

But yeah, recoil for me please!

Soviet Ace 09-22-2009 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MorgothNL (Post 103124)
I thinkkk, the fact that it has been made 30 years later, might maybe perhaps have something to do with that :P.

none the less, im gonna google my @ss off now for a sec, to see if there is something to say about that :P

EDIT: 2 sec later:
it might be because the gatlin is 30mm and the yak cannon 37mm

But I think im gonna go for the fact that the empty weight of the yak-9t was 2300kg... and of the A-10 it was 21000kg.. :).
same thing: try mounting a flak cannon on a bicycle, think you might notice the recoil a bit more, than on a tiger tank

Does make you wonder what would happen if you mounted the A-10 gatlin of the yak :D would it fly backwards ??

I'm also going to have to say because the Yak-9T was cloth, wood, and lightweight chromoli-steel. While on the other hand, the A-10 is made of much heavier steel etc.

Wissam24 09-22-2009 07:00 AM

The A-10 has a solid titanium bathtub surrounding the cockpit. This has the added bonus of making sure the pilot can survive a direct hit on the cockpit from a .50 cal weapon.

Incidentally the A-10 is designed to be able to fly straight and steady with only one engine and half a wing blown off.


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