Isn't this the point, the FMs are too far off?

Luthier has said 'Absolutely' to putting more effort into getting the CoD FMs right if we demonstrate they are wrong. That is where our effort should be and his efforts will follow.

Even if you get the best info on how to fly "the CoD 109" properly it will still not be right if the FM isn't brought into line with the flight manual.

Someone needs to fly the 109 against historical data and give him the results. Most people are just complaining the FMs are not right and posting a few words about it ("its too slow at SL", "it doesn't deliver 1.3ata at x metres altitude") but not proving the point effectively so who is Luthier to believe when member A just says one thing and member B says something different? Fly the tests and give him the data from his own FMs. You can do this by hand, making notes etc as you fly (tricky!) or use something like I use here:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...6&postcount=10

And yes, it does take some time and effort whichever way you do it. But why should Luthier listen to any beta tester who doesn't return proper test results?

I would like to express a thank you for Luther for taking the time to go through questions raised & for answering them.

I experienced a big improvement just by upgrading from Windows XP to Winows 7 (64 bit), so flying over London now, albeit on lowish settings doesn't cause my system to freeze, so I'm happy.

When funds allow, then I'll be working on upgrading the rest of my system, starting with a graphics card.

PS - developers/programmers - are you all in a Lottery syndicate & should you win would you all quit or carry on improving ClOD? I for one wouldn't blame you for all walking out & saying stuff it after some of the comments that have been made.

+1

Around three years ago it was rumoured that the AI couldn't see thru clouds in BOB WOV, but the developer set the record straight and said they could, but that doesn't mean they haven't changed it since then, although I think its unlikely.

My biggest disappointment is what has been said about Coops.

Also some confusion whether CLOD will benefit from updates in the sequal i.e. improved clouds/water or what ever. Is this going to work like IL2 did?

Other than that I am a bit more impressed after the 2nd set of answers, I don't think the jokes in the first lot were such a good idea as flight simmers are slightly passionate about the subject.

Also fairly impressed with the patch. Still not played online since December last year but I am a little more tempted with the apparent improvements to spotting aircraft and them not vanishing as the dots change to a shape.

Please please think about a way to implement some form of coop other than the dogfight server type we have now.

I understand why Luthier is not wanting to address the coop issue, if he fixes it for us then there is a good chance we could get online wars happening again, this may interfere with his plans for an MMO later which could be a potential cash cow for him.

Pure speculation and almost certainly bullsh*t

Explain to me then why Luthier will not address the coop problem in CLOD or the sequel when so many of his customers have said they think it is a very important feature?

I don't have to, Luither has already explained it, 3rd answer down, please pay attention to the last sentence in particular.
It's written in plain text so I don't know how you missed it.

Here it is again in case you did somehow miss it.


Luither

Redoing co-op is a huge task. We are a business. We have to make a profit somewhere somehow. We cannot keep pumping resources and releasing free patches for Cliffs of Dover forever.
And regarding not using our products in the future if we do not redo co-op now. I believe the majority in this community actually will. If we offer a much more comprehensive co-op experience in a future product, and especially if such an experience still allows you a trip back in time to fly some Spits and 109s over the Channel, well, I really hope that most people will want to get the sequel.
To reiterate - I've never said that we'll never address co-op, I've only said we cannot do it within the Cliffs of Dover project.

ok so that means not in this version of Cliff of Dover IL2 Sturmovik.

We will see a more robust IL2 Sturmovik Version next year?

with the Channel map in it?