How do you fly a Fw-190?

[Von Heydte]

Okay, I usually fly the 109 and it is my plan of preference and I am trying to learn how to fly the 190 on realistic/simulator and it is kicking my ass. This plane is absolutely unforgiving! I stall out on what seems like simple turns and climbs and bleeds off speed like nothing I have seen. I can't even seem to do a decent climb without a stall. I understand that this plane isn't a turning fighter but an energy fighter buT i'm having hell just flying the plane in simple maneuvers. Some help would be appreciated.

[TRC Subaru]

Okay, I usually fly the 109 and it is my plan of preference and I am trying to learn how to fly the 190 on realistic/simulator and it is kicking my ass. This plane is absolutely unforgiving! I stall out on what seems like simple turns and climbs and bleeds off speed like nothing I have seen. I can't even seem to do a decent climb without a stall. I understand that this plane isn't a turning fighter but an energy fighter buT i'm having hell just flying the plane in simple maneuvers. Some help would be appreciated.

You did turn your elevator setting down already...right?

[reverend66]

The 190 is a "boom & zoom" fighter and will stall in tight turns. The best way to fight with this plane is to use it's speed & fast rolling abilities. First off altitude is life in this aircraft, stay off the deck! You want to get above your opponent & use slash attacks. Dive on your prey & unleash cannons at close quarters, if you miss use your momentum to take you back up above them and come around for another run. Do not get into a turn fight for any reason, it will not end well for you. If you are being pursued do not turn to avoid gunfire, barrel roll, this plane has probably the fastest roll rate, use your speed to get away.

[Von Heydte]

I dropped the aileron sensitity to half but I didnt touch the elevators. I'll do a practice mission with the elevators less sensitive tonight and see if that helps.

You did turn your elevator setting down already...right?

[Von Heydte]

Sounds like the same tactics that I "try" to use in the 109. I'm trying to learn some rolling type maneuvers to work with the 190s excellent roll rate but even a modest climb and and turn gives me trouble. I think I'm trying to do a lag roll but I'm sucking. LOL. I really want to learn to fly this beautiful aircraft as you just don't see many people using it online. I'm staying away from the usual favorites online like the Spit and 153. I appreciate the advice too.

The 190 is a "boom & zoom" fighter and will stall in tight turns. The best way to fight with this plane is to use it's speed & fast rolling abilities. First off altitude is life in this aircraft, stay off the deck! You want to get above your opponent & use slash attacks. Dive on your prey & unleash cannons at close quarters, if you miss use your momentum to take you back up above them and come around for another run. Do not get into a turn fight for any reason, it will not end well for you. If you are being pursued do not turn to avoid gunfire, barrel roll, this plane has probably the fastest roll rate, use your speed to get away.

[Yossarian]

I just a go with one on line. Sure is does have the speed to climb and an excellent roll rate but it is really bad to fly. I never got a single kill using it. Admittedly I only got shot down a couple of times because of the roll and speed but it was really hard to aim precisely.

[reverend66]

She takes a lot of practice but it's worth it. I used to fly them almost exclusively in Warbirds online. Just remember, stay up high and look for unsespecting targets. Never EVER get into a turn fight, once you lose your speed you are a sitting duck. In fact try not to turn at all unless you are above and away from all hostiles. There used to be a book you could buy online called Butcher Birds Guide to a Free Lunch. I was written by the best 190 pilot in the virtual skies. It had great tips for flying the beast (I have a copy somewhere). Unfortunaltely the author passed away and it is no longer produced. You may be able to find a used copy online though.

[reverend66]

It looks as if the book is out of print. I work in publishing so I'll check to see if anyone still holds a copyright. If it is not under copyright I will scan my copy & make it available to you guys.

[Yossarian]

It looks as if the book is out of print. I work in publishing so I'll check to see if anyone still holds a copyright. If it is not under copyright I will scan my copy & make it available to you guys.

Cool, I would love to read that.

[Soviet Ace]

If your looking for a GREAT plane, Yak-3 I highly recommend. :cool:

[reverend66]

Oddly enough the Yak is my favorite ride when im flying allied. Good roll rate, small target, and the guns are lethal (not a whole lot of ammo in the cannon though).
What about those early migs though? their pretty but come on. You would think that modern russian aircraft would be Y-29 and so forth. Maybe I just don't know how to fly em.

[Chooky88]

Cheers for that! the 190 was a ripper of a plane and the rotary engine made it a bit different to other land based fighters (Anyone know why Roatary was preffered by Navies and in line and V engines for Air Forces???)

[cydno]

How do you unlock the FW190?

thx for helping,

[mondo]

It doesn't have a rotary, it has a radial. Torque from radials is no different than torque from a inline engine. The propeller causes the torque effect, not the engine.

Radials are harder wearing and don't have glycol coolant, they are mostly aircooled so are not prone to radiator damage. Much better for using at sea or in a ground attack aircraft where resiliance is required.

Okay, I usually fly the 109 and it is my plan of preference and I am trying to learn how to fly the 190 on realistic/simulator and it is kicking my ass. This plane is absolutely unforgiving! I stall out on what seems like simple turns and climbs and bleeds off speed like nothing I have seen. .

Don't turn at all. Roll, the 190's had the best roll rate of any WW2 plane throughout the speed range. The 190 is all about vector rolls, rolling scissors, negative rolls, yo yo's...just don't make sharp low speed turns. Your probably stalling as your speed isn't high enough or your AoA is too sharp in a climb.

The only time you should turn with a 190 is at high speed, at 400kph+ you can do 45 to 90 degree turns only. Then straighten up.

A dog fight is all about getting the enemy in front of your guns, not turning like a l00n in the grass. The 190 is all about energy, maintaining energy, attacking then extending. Just don't' turn with it because you won't be able to out turn anything in it anyway.

[H Lecter]

How do you unlock the FW190?

thx for helping,

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=9561

[cydno]

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=9561

Thank you! :grin:

[H Lecter]

Thank you! :grin:

You're welcome. It got buried on the second page. Someone should make it a sticky...

[beaker126]

Those who've flown the, Dora-9, will most of this apply to that bird as well? I wanna love it but am having a lotta trouble. Thanks in advance.

[mondo]

The Dora 9 is like all other 190's but is better at all heights. In the opinion of Eric Brown, the only guy to fly almost all the real planes in IL2 the D9 is the best German fighter aircraft.

[King Jareth]

You're welcome. It got buried on the second page. Someone should make it a sticky...

There's a sticky here (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=9581)

[H Lecter]

There's a sticky here (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=9581)

Now there is thanks to my glorious initiative - before it wasn't :-P

[King Jareth]

Your link was posted "Today, 10:12 AM ", the sticky thread "Yesterday, 09:01 PM " .......
Have you been hitting 88mph again Doc?

[H Lecter]

Your link was posted "Today, 10:12 AM ", the sticky thread "Yesterday, 09:01 PM " .......
Have you been hitting 88mph again Doc?

Making it a sticky does not change the last posting date. I swear it's true, I had to go to the second forum page to find the link. ;)

[Soviet Ace]

Oddly enough the Yak is my favorite ride when im flying allied. Good roll rate, small target, and the guns are lethal (not a whole lot of ammo in the cannon though).
What about those early migs though? their pretty but come on. You would think that modern russian aircraft would be Y-29 and so forth. Maybe I just don't know how to fly em.

The MiG-3 etc were slow and lagged seriously bad. They may have looked fast, but their engines just weren't up to it after bad constructing and other things.

[Von Heydte]

I am a self-admitted Germophile. Better dead than red! Actually, I have been flying around in a La-7 and enjoying its characteristics while testing out some various planes. The turning fight is sooo boring to me and I want to learn how to do some rolls and diving attacks. I tried again last night with the 190 and I can't even do a simple loop before the plane stalls out and starts spinning. Has someone who is familiar with the 190 tried out the flight model in BoP?


If your looking for a GREAT plane, Yak-3 I highly recommend. :cool:

[Von Heydte]

Good stuff, Mondo. Thanks a bunch. Are there any videos online that show how to do these roll maneuvers? I see them in books but seeing it on a page and executing are two different things. As far as maintaining energy, I assume you mean climbing whenever you can to gain as much potential energy to save up for another diving attack?

It doesn't have a rotary, it has a radial. Torque from radials is no different than torque from a inline engine. The propeller causes the torque effect, not the engine.

Radials are harder wearing and don't have glycol coolant, they are mostly aircooled so are not prone to radiator damage. Much better for using at sea or in a ground attack aircraft where resiliance is required.



Don't turn at all. Roll, the 190's had the best roll rate of any WW2 plane throughout the speed range. The 190 is all about vector rolls, rolling scissors, negative rolls, yo yo's...just don't make sharp low speed turns. Your probably stalling as your speed isn't high enough or your AoA is too sharp in a climb.

The only time you should turn with a 190 is at high speed, at 400kph+ you can do 45 to 90 degree turns only. Then straighten up.

A dog fight is all about getting the enemy in front of your guns, not turning like a l00n in the grass. The 190 is all about energy, maintaining energy, attacking then extending. Just don't' turn with it because you won't be able to out turn anything in it anyway.

[Von Heydte]

That would be sweet. I wouldn't mind buying it if its available anywhere. Thanks for the heads up.

Trey

It looks as if the book is out of print. I work in publishing so I'll check to see if anyone still holds a copyright. If it is not under copyright I will scan my copy & make it available to you guys.

[Skii]

Good stuff, Mondo. Thanks a bunch. Are there any videos online that show how to do these roll maneuvers? I see them in books but seeing it on a page and executing are two different things. As far as maintaining energy, I assume you mean climbing whenever you can to gain as much potential energy to save up for another diving attack?


Here is the best example video I've seen of using the 190 to its full potential in the rolling scissors -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN-rBWXim1I&feature=related

Notice how he rolls and reverses in direction and the Spitfire is helpless trying to match him - resulting in the Spit overshooting.

[fritzwendel]

Cheers for that! the 190 was a ripper of a plane and the rotary engine made it a bit different to other land based fighters (Anyone know why Roatary was preffered by Navies and in line and V engines for Air Forces???)


Are you talking about RADIAL engines, or rotary? The Fdub uses a radial, fixed position motor, not a rotary engine. Rotary engines spin with the propeller, hence the reason they had bad engine torque characteristics.

[JG27CaptStubing]

Excellent post with the video of the FW doing Rolling scissors. I great tactic but remember it's last ditch and a good Spit driver won't overshoot as often.

In the video he started the fight on pretty much equal terms. Not good for going against Spits in a FW. The key to fighting two or at least one spit and it's been mentioned before is coming in with a signifigant altitude advantage and bouncing them. You can force them to go defensive from the get go. In the video they went offensive and quickly turned it into a defensive fight for that pilot. The FW driver was lucky and got off a quick snap shot on one of them but that was about it.

The roll in the FW is far better than a Spit and High Speed. You will have to use rolling and your speed to get away. I have yet to try it out in this game but that's how it works in IL2 1946.