BF109G What's the point ?

[Yossarian]

So I unlocked the BF109G and I was reading about the aircraft in the hanger section. It tells me the 'G' variant is 46% heavier than the 'E' but can carry much better guns. So when I checked what guns it had by pressing the 'armaments' button I saw it only has the same guns as the 'B'

So what's the point of including a plane that's 46% heavier and then not bothering to give it the guns that made it so much heavier. Or am I missing something ?

[Jeevz]

The 109G is much faster and more maneuverable than the E. The E is a relic of Spanish Civil War, the G was one of the top fighters at the time it debuted.

[trk29]

So I unlocked the BF109G and I was reading about the aircraft in the hanger section. It tells me the 'G' variant is 46% heavier than the 'E' but can carry much better guns. So when I checked what guns it had by pressing the 'armaments' button I saw it only has the same guns as the 'B'

So what's the point of including a plane that's 46% heavier and then not bothering to give it the guns that made it so much heavier. Or am I missing something ?

I know some planes you unlock better guns, maybe you can unlock a better gun for it?

[Yossarian]

Thanks for the replies guys. I guess it must be about speed then because no you cannot unlock other guns for it. I was hoping for it to have the upgraded guns to make it easier to get kills in MP

[fuzzychickens]

You want the K with the nose mk108 - and then you see planes start to blow up good in MP.

[Yossarian]

I've unlocked the G-6 and that has 30mm which I tested have in MP and they destroy aircraft pretty easily.

[M3-SRT8]

In reality, the latter marks of the Gustav were a real pig of an aeroplane. Too heavy, they had to be flown at near full power in the landing circuit, or they would fall out of the air.

The early "F" was the real Pilot's aeroplane. Light on armament, it was a great dogfighter. When the F-4 and later marks with gondola wing mounted cannon came in, they went downhill.

LJB:cool:

[Soviet Ace]

In reality, the latter marks of the Gustav were a real pig of an aeroplane. Too heavy, they had to be flown a near full power in the landing circuit, or they would fall out of the air.

The early "F" was the real Pilot's aeroplane. Light on armament, it was a great dogfighter. When the F-4 and later marks with gondola wing mounted cannon came in, they went downhill.

LJB:cool:

So very true. The Fs really are the best 109 varient :D

[Panzergranate]

The Bf.109-G series was more of a bomber killer intended to combat the B-17 and B-24 bombers intruding over German airspace in vast numbers.

The feeble armament of the Bf.109-E and F was inadequate to have much effect against the dreaded "Viermots".

Likewise for the armoured and clumsy Fw.190-F8.

Not all Luftwaffe fighters were for dogfighting with other fighters, some were for the primary fighter role of killing bombers.

[FOZ_1983]

bomber killer

[Hrok81]

The Bf.109-G series was more of a bomber killer intended to combat the B-17 and B-24 bombers intruding over German airspace in vast numbers.

The feeble armament of the Bf.109-E and F was inadequate to have much effect against the dreaded "Viermots".

Likewise for the armoured and clumsy Fw.190-F8.

Not all Luftwaffe fighters were for dogfighting with other fighters, some were for the primary fighter role of killing bombers.

What you say true, but don't forget Bf-109G was designed to adapt to many different tasks, even dogfighting.
Erich Hartmann flew Bf-109G only (maybe a stuka earlier?) and scored that amazing number of kills, many being fighter planes. ;)

That said, I still prefer Bf-109F. Or put in another way, I can't fly Bf-109G lol.

[mattmanB182]

Thats very strange. The F couldnt knock a duck out of the sky with that armament. I have tried it again and again. I will stick to blowing Spits apart with the K.

[DoraNine]

I agree with Mattman -- give me firepower everytime. The K model is like a rocket with cannons. The F is a good "dogfighter", but you have to nibble on your opponents awhile before they'll die. The F may be considered the "Best handling" of the 109 Series -- but many confuse this with being "The Best" all around variant. The G-10 was probably the best all around variant -- on paper anyway. The F was woefully under-armed.

[Voyager]

The G-2 has a more powerful engine, and I believe it had somewhat better armour than the F-4. The MG151/20 20mm cannon used on the 109F and G's has significantly better ballistics and performance than the MG FF cannon used on the BF-109E.

The G-6 trades the 7.9mm machine guns for 13mm MGs, adds heavier armour, and they we designed to accept field and factory modification kits. Most of those kits were either 20mm or 30mm cannons mounted in underwing gondolas, and as the MK108 production spooled up, they started getting 30mm nose guns too. Generally, for bomber busting, you're talking about a plane armed with 3x30mm MK108 cannon and 2x13mm MG131 machine guns, and maybe an AtA bomb.

On the Eastern front, didn't the 109's tend to operate clean, i.e. without the gondolas?

How was the G-10 the best 109? My understanding was that the G-10s were used 109G's that had been re-manufactured up to 109K-4 standards.

Harry Voyager

[Hrok81]

Thats very strange. The F couldnt knock a duck out of the sky with that armament. I have tried it again and again. I will stick to blowing Spits apart with the K.

I agree that shooting down a plane requires a very good shot or a lot of time, and so far I've lost many kills because I just kept hitting Spits without dealing the final blow.
Still I feel good in F because of its easy handling, Gs are so heavy!
If I was more skilled (and there's nothing I can do now since I have no time to play, hope next week...) I'd probably slowly turn to Gs and, once unlocked, Ks, but for now F is my choice.

OT my heart says E, but E4 ;)

[Benrizz]

I agree that shooting down a plane requires a very good shot or a lot of time, and so far I've lost many kills because I just kept hitting Spits without dealing the final blow.
Still I feel good in F because of its easy handling, Gs are so heavy!
If I was more skilled (and there's nothing I can do now since I have no time to play, hope next week...) I'd probably slowly turn to Gs and, once unlocked, Ks, but for now F is my choice.

OT my heart says E, but E4 ;)

Yeaj but the E3 is so underpowered.

That's frightening. Sometimes you just crash because of the lack of speed

[DoraNine]

How was the G-10 the best 109? My understanding was that the G-10s were used 109G's that had been re-manufactured up to 109K-4 standards.
Harry Voyager

True -- they were remanufactured air frames, but improved. The G-10 was an attempt at restoring the 109 series as a dogfighter. It was the fastest of the G series machines, and was a much better dogfighter than the heavier, poor handling K models. With near the speed of the K, and near the firepower of the G6, and better handling than both -- what is not to like?

Bear in mind -- this is just my opinion -- as I don't believe any one plane can be declared the best model or series of the war. I'm just saying that if I had a choice of going up against the allied planes in 1944-45 in a 109 -- the G-10 would be my personal choice.

[FOZ_1983]

E,G,K - all the same to me :D

nice targets to shoot down with my huricane/spitfire :P



Though - from a nuetral point of view and a guy that only flies the allied planes, on the odd occasion i have had to use a 109 i've found the later models to be a bit sluggish. They can BnZ but then its not a game of skill if two of you are flying head on guns blazing, its now turned into luck.

Basically, i found the "E" to dogfight well with early war year planes, but as the years progress and so do the models, i find the 109 gets heavier and more sluggish, yet powerful.

Still - in the hands of a good axis pilot im sure it can be a superb machine.

[Hrok81]

True -- they were remanufactured air frames, but improved. The G-10 was an attempt at restoring the 109 series as a dogfighter. It was the fastest of the G series machines, and was a much better dogfighter than the heavier, poor handling K models. With near the speed of the K, and near the firepower of the G6, and better handling than both -- what is not to like?
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Personally I don't like the fact I haven't unlocked it yet :grin:
Seriously, look forward to try it.

[olife]

hello yossarian
me109 e weight:1900 kgs
me109 g weight:2667 kgs until 2800 kgs

weapons:
me109 b:2 rheinmetall-borsig machine guns(7,92mm)
me109 c:4 machine guns mg17 and an other for the model c2 in the axis of the propeller
first me109 e1:4 mg17,4 boms of 50kgs or 1 of 250 kgs
others me109 e1,2,3,4:2 mg17(1000 bullets per mg) or 2mg17(500 bullets per mg)and 3 mg ff 20 mm guns
me109 f1:2 mg17 and 1 mg ff
me109 f2:2 mg151 (20 mm guns) and 1 mg ff
me109 f4:2 mg151,1 mg ff and 2 mg 151 under the wings
me109 g1:2 mg17(or 2 mg131 machine guns 13mm)and 1 mg151
me109 g6:1 mk108 gun(30 mm),2 mg131 and 2 mg151 under the wings
me109 k4:2 mg151 and 1 mk108 or 103 gun(30mm)
me109 k6:2 mg131 ,1 mk103(or 108)and 2 mk108 under the wings

a lot of me109 g and k have 2 rockets lauchers under the wings(1 rl per wing)
and can carry bombs

[FOZ_1983]

rockets/bombs - bomber interception/ground attack.


Towards the end of the war when the USAF were bombing germany and causing havok by day then the whole idea of a dogfighter went out fo the window for germany. If it could dogfight then great, but their sole objective was to wipe out the bombers.

heavier, more armoured 109's - bomber interceptors :D

[Panzergranate]

bomber killer

Well I am good at it....

To kill a B-17 concentrate fire on the wing area outside of the outer engines where it is weakest. Helps if your fighter carries a lot of cannon firepower.

Ideal attack is to follow Luftwaffe practice for attacking "Viermotts" and to attack so as to straffe at right angles from wing tip to wing tip.

In rear attacks wide barrel roll during initail approach so that defensive gunners struggle to hit you, at about 50 metres / yards, perform a tight barrel roll whilst firing and watch bomber go down.

The gunners will be very, very lucky to actually hit you if you use this tactic.

Exploit range advantage with cannon equiped fighters, HMGs don't shoot as far as cannons.

Exploit blind spots in bomber defences.