The US release date needs to be moved up 1 week it makes no sense at all for this

[dennis580]

game to come out 1 week after Heroes Over Europe in the US. You got 2 games fighting for a very niche market, and Birds of Prey coming a week behind Heroes Over Europe puts it at a totally unnessary disadvantage.

I am only going to buy one of these games. I am leaning towards Heroes over Europe, but Brids of Prey could improve its chance for my $50 if it was releaseing on the same day as Heroes Over Europe.

You guys should very seriously consider moving the US release date up a week so you are not at a competetive disadvantage with Heroes Over Europe.

[reverend66]

I think the release date should be moved up 5 weeks:mrgreen:

[haitch40]

game to come out 1 week after Heroes Over Europe in the US. You got 2 games fighting for a very niche market, and Birds of Prey coming a week behind Heroes Over Europe puts it at a totally unnessary disadvantage.

I am only going to buy one of these games. I am leaning towards Heroes over Europe, but Brids of Prey could improve its chance for my $50 if it was releaseing on the same day as Heroes Over Europe.

You guys should very seriously consider moving the US release date up a week so you are not at a competetive disadvantage with Heroes Over Europe.

its the publishers business not Anton and the dev teems on this forum
im buying both anyway so and im in europe so im lucky
oh and yes buy a game you like or shall i just buy some game that i dont like and would never play because it came out earlier?

[guiltyspark]

you are a dumbass

[versapak]

you are a dumbass

That was hardly called for. http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/58.gif




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[SleepTrgt]

If youre gonna buy one, you probably check out the games.
Check out wich game is nicer in your opinion.
But aperantly you cant wait and just buy a game blindly.

1 week after another game is nothing, if youre smart you check out a game and then decide wich one you buy, not buying a game blindly when you know there are 2 games coming out after each other.

[guiltyspark]

That was hardly called for. http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/58.gif




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actually it was , you have to be a complete dumbass to think a game with no demo or fanbase can compete with one that does and plays better

[versapak]

actually it was , you have to be a complete dumbass to think a game with no demo or fanbase can compete with one that does and plays better

Actually no it wasn't.

Personal attacks are never appropriate on a forum. Much less on a developers official forum.


If he is uninformed, then feel free to inform him. Your comment didn't do anything beneficial at all, beyond showing the quality of person that you are.



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[Soviet Ace]

Yeah I would rather buy BoP, which I am :D But Heroes over Europe will be a terrible game in my opinion. I played a bit of the Pacific one, and thought that the limited controls and just the game was boring, really I think those games were made for little children to enjoy.

BoP is a much more mature and accurate game to play if you really like WW2 flight sims and like the big variety of planes and controls. Heros over Europe will never stand up against BoP in sales, and if anything the later release will just make the BoP sales go up because once people buy Heroes over Europe, and realized that it's such a horrible game, they'll take it back and get BoP with their friends.

[dennis580]

I am going to ignore all the attacks, and insults.

I will just say the release date does make a difference. I, and many other people like to buy games on the release date. There is just something extra special about going into a store on release day and buying a game. A large chunk of most games sales happen within the first week. So a lot of others gamers feel this way too.

All I am saying is that Birds of Prey would improve its chances to get my $50 if it released on the same day instead of a week behind Heroes Over Europe.

[versapak]

I am going to ignore all the attacks, and insults.

I will just say the release date does make a difference. I, and many other people like to buy games on the release date. There is just something extra special about going into a store on release day and buying a game. A large chunk of most games sales happen within the first week. So a lot of others gamers feel this way too.

All I am saying is that Birds of Prey would improve its chances to get my $50 if it released on the same day instead of a week behind Heroes Over Europe.

If they bumped up the release to tomorrow, then it would increase the chances of me buying it tomorrow 100%. http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/30.gif



Again... They are two totally different styles of games.


If you can't wait a week for BoP, as you'd rather buy this other game, then so be it.


How did you like that Heroes Over Europe demo?


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[haitch40]

Yeah I would rather buy BoP, which I am :D But Heroes over Europe will be a terrible game in my opinion. I played a bit of the Pacific one, and thought that the limited controls and just the game was boring, really I think those games were made for little children to enjoy.

BoP is a much more mature and accurate game to play if you really like WW2 flight sims and like the big variety of planes and controls. Heros over Europe will never stand up against BoP in sales, and if anything the later release will just make the BoP sales go up because once people buy Heroes over Europe, and realized that it's such a horrible game, they'll take it back and get BoP with their friends.

i wouldnt go that far because heroes of the pacific was a ok game however bop will be far supreme

[SleepTrgt]

I am going to ignore all the attacks, and insults.

I will just say the release date does make a difference. I, and many other people like to buy games on the release date. There is just something extra special about going into a store on release day and buying a game. A large chunk of most games sales happen within the first week. So a lot of others gamers feel this way too.

All I am saying is that Birds of Prey would improve its chances to get my $50 if it released on the same day instead of a week behind Heroes Over Europe.


Do what you please,
To me it just seems you just go for the game that comes out first
Not even checking the games out.
Maybe BoP has alot more planes and such you would like over HoE.

and the story about release date doesent makes sence, BoP also had his release date so you could still walk in the store and pick the game up :confused:

[versapak]

Do what you please,
To me it just seems you just go for the game that comes out first
Not even checking the games out.
Maybe BoP has alot more planes and such you would like over HoE.

and the story about release date doesent makes sence, BoP also had his release date so you could still walk in the store and pick the game up :confused:

But he can only buy one, and the best one is clearly that which comes out first. :lol:



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[Soviet Ace]

It all comes down to whether you'd like to waste your $50 on Heroes over Europe: A game with limited choices on missions etc, or waste your $50 on BoP: A game with hundreds of choices to complete missions etc. Either way, your going to get the short end of the stick if you buy Heroes over Europe, just because it comes out a week before.

[Soviet Ace]

i wouldnt go that far because heroes of the pacific was a ok game however bop will be far supreme

It was just my opinion on the game. I really did feel like it was meant to entertain little children.

[David603]

Well, in Europe Birds of Prey comes out before Heroes Over Europe, so that situation is reversed over here. However, I can see your point about the two games competing for sales, since while they occupy the opposite ends of the WWII flight spectrum, a lot of sales are made to people who go into a shop and buy a game based on the box, and being present on the shelf is a major advantage. I know a lot of people buy games this way because I was working in a Gamestation store over the earlier this year.

[dennis580]

Do what you please,
and the story about release date doesent makes sence, BoP also had his release date so you could still walk in the store and pick the game up :confused:

True but HOE gets first shot at my $50. Now if I dont buy HOE on release day then the chances of me getting BOP go way up.

[SleepTrgt]

True but HOE gets first shot at my $50. Now if I dont buy HOE on release day then the chances of me getting BOP go way up.

Ok just for fun, tell me what you like better over BoP.

[dennis580]

since while they occupy the opposite ends of the WWII flight spectrum

Your forgetting just how nichy the WWII flight spectrum is. That is a very, very small spectrum.

[Soviet Ace]

True but HOE gets first shot at my $50. Now if I dont buy HOE on release day then the chances of me getting BOP go way up.

But you'd be ripping yourself off because HOE will not fly off the shelves, and people will probably just look it over. But BoP is more authentic and has a more realistic feel than anything HOE would have in it.

[versapak]

Your forgetting just how nichy the WWII flight spectrum is. That is a very, very small spectrum.


Forgetting how?

Smaller niche audiences also tend to be more informed audiences.


Have you even played the demo that they released for BoP?

Do you even know what IL-2's legacy is (The game, not the plane)?


They are a week apart. They are two very different styles of games.

If they miss out on a few purchases made by uninformed people who have to buy whatever comes out first, then oh well. Reviews and word of mouth will sort things out in the end.




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[dennis580]

Oh well all I was hoping was this thread would bring attention to the publishers to bump the release of BOP a week because it is directly competing with HOE for my, and others games $50.

[dennis580]

Forgetting how?
Smaller niche audiences also tend to be more informed audiences.


The audience for hardcore WWII Flight Sims on consoles is way, way too small to make a profit. If they want any kind decent sales they are going to have to reach a far bigger audience then that. People like me who have a interest in WWII Flight games, but who are not at all hardcore flight sims fans.

[versapak]

Oh well all I was hoping was this thread would bring attention to the publishers to bump the release of BOP a week because it is directly competing with HOE for my, and others games $50.

They already have a head start on the competition.


They have released a great demo, and word of mouth has been spreading all over about that.



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[GabeFan]

Oh well all I was hoping was this thread would bring attention to the publishers to bump the release of BOP a week because it is directly competing with HOE for my, and others games $50.

Yes...I agree. These games are both WW2 flight games, so they are competing for the same money in my opinion. Moving the BoP release date up a week couldn't hurt. I'm a sucker for WW2 games so I'm sure I'll be getting both at some point.

"Heroes of the Pacific" was a pretty good game, although it's too arcadeish style hurt it's replay value, and with not much info about HoE, BoP will be the first priority. I'm sure BoP will be a MUCH better game...

[BadKarmaSutra96]

Releasing a demo for this game was a huge boost in the chances IL2 will be a huge success over HoE.

Also, I seem to remember news that production on HoE was cancelled for several months earlier this year. It was only recently announced that it was being planned for release just a few weeks ago. That may tell you something, like that game could potentially be incomplete when it ships. Personally, I expect HoE to be an incomplete, hastilly released and arcadey product being sold as a tag-on to the potential success of IL-2.

[Moog]

I watched a few hoe videos and might must say the game falls flat and is unlikely to please neither graphics hoes, nor WWII flight games hoes. I can't believe how bad it looks in comparison to BOP. Just watch those hoe planes move defying all laws of gravity. Pathetic.

And as for all these debates on moving the release date up... makes no sense to me whatsoever.

[MAYAman]

dennis has convinced me, I am getting HoE instead.

[P-51]

dennis has convinced me, I am getting HoE instead.

Sacriledge:!::!::!:

[trk29]

game to come out 1 week after Heroes Over Europe in the US. You got 2 games fighting for a very niche market, and Birds of Prey coming a week behind Heroes Over Europe puts it at a totally unnessary disadvantage.

I am only going to buy one of these games. I am leaning towards Heroes over Europe, but Brids of Prey could improve its chance for my $50 if it was releaseing on the same day as Heroes Over Europe.

You guys should very seriously consider moving the US release date up a week so you are not at a competetive disadvantage with Heroes Over Europe.

So if they come out the same day you will buy them both but if BOP comes out one day later you won't? Do you not want to drive your car two different days for the same reason?

[Tomo]

Haha, lay off this guy. He's clearly just trying to get the game a little earlier.

Nobody in their right mind would consider buying H.O.E over B.O.P. He's just trying to bluff the publisher.

And in all honesty, he has a good point. BOP has been ready for ages, the delayed US release is unforgivable. (i'm in Australia btw).

[juz1]

(i'm in Australia btw).

me too ...roll on the 3rd..(*smug*)...still a bit strange...maybe it takes longer to roll out simulataneously across the U.S?
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[xNikex]

I've never heard of HOE until I started reading from this forum a while back.

I wouldn't be too concerned.

[juz1]

I've never heard of HOE until I started reading from this forum a while back.

I wouldn't be too concerned.

HOE...sounds like a Pimp Sim...
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[xNikex]

HOE...sounds like a Pimp Sim...

Lmao! I totally missed that! Haha...

[dennis580]

So if they come out the same day you will buy them both but if BOP comes out one day later you won't? Do you not want to drive your car two different days for the same reason?

No I already said I will only buy 1 of these games. I will NOT be buying them both. I am not a huge flight game fan(though WWII flight games do appeal to me). I am certainly not a fan of hardcore flight sims(which explains why I am leaning towards getting HOE over BOP by the way)

[xNikex]

No I already said I will only buy 1 of these games. I will NOT be buying them both. I am not a huge flight game fan(though WWII flight games do appeal to me). I am certainly not a fan of hardcore flight sims(which explains why I am leaning towards getting HOE over BOP by the way)

You are aware that BoP has an arcade mode?

Heroes Over Europe wouldn't have as much replayablility.

[Xx RTEK xX]

The fact that there is a demo on the marketplace for IL-2, and not a lot of people have heard of that other game, basically means that people are going to wait that extra week to get the better game. That other game looks like crap compared to IL-2.

[fritzwendel]

actually it was , you have to be a complete dumbass to think a game with no demo or fanbase can compete with one that does and plays better

Heroes over Europe is the sequel to Heroes of the Pacific, which has QUITE a bit of a console fan base.

There are members on this forum who got here BECAUSE of the HOTP forums. Myself included.

Also, how do you know BoP plays better than Heroes? like you said, there is no demo at this point, so how can you make such a conclusion?

I think his premise of "first to the table" is not the best way to buy the best game, but his foolish post has been upstaged by your even sillier response.

[David603]

There are a number of gameplay trailers out for Heroes Over Europe. From them you will be able to see that gravity plays no part in the game, and the whole handling setup is very arcade like. Therefore if you are looking for a flight sim Il2 wins hands down.

[JCofDI]

While that is true - you can look at a lot of videos of people playing IL-2 Birds of Prey and see that there's no stalling, unlimited ammo, planes exploding after 1 bullet grazes them, etc. It's not representative of how 99% of this forum will play it, true, but it's how the press is playing it and therefore how it will be relayed for the most part.

Heroes over Europe is a more arcade-style game, certainly - but the previous release of Heroes of the Pacific (which I thoroughly enjoyed) has already shown that it does arcade-style very well and with a great storytelling flair. BoP is unfortunately a newcomer to arcade WW2 flying. It's done an excellent job I think, but you still have to consider that most console gamers are going to take past experience into consideration a lot more than how much gravity the plane will be battling.

[Marchochias]

Hahah this denniss guy is so naive. He wants it moved up just for HIM, as if his 50 bucks makes any difference.

Look, if you have such a short attention span that you can't wait a whole week to get the best combat flight sim out there over a pathetic arcade game like Heroes of Europe, go ahead and get Heroes of Europe and stop trying to tell the developers of IL-2 what to do.

[Buggins]

Hahah this denniss guy is so naive. He wants it moved up just for HIM, as if his 50 bucks makes any difference.

Look, if you have such a short attention span that you can't wait a whole week to get the best combat flight sim out there over a pathetic arcade game like Heroes of Europe, go ahead and get Heroes of Europe and stop trying to tell the developers of IL-2 what to do.

Exactly. +1

[H Lecter]

Heroes of the Pacific was an excellent game and at least a bit more leaning towards realism than Blazing Angels (which was such a disappointment with its missing cockpit view that it's collecting dust after finishing only 2 missions).

So far I always hoped for a sequel of HotP, but knowing that IL-2 is coming I don't really care anymore.

An earlier release, though surely appreciated, will not change my mind about these two games. I'll get IL-2 when it comes out and HoE when it sells for half price...

[dennis580]

Well one of the things that is making me lean toward HOE is the preview below. One of things I want are controls that are as simple and easy as possible. I don't want to be frustrated by complex controls.

http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/2396/Heroes-Over-Europe/p1/

There’s a “focus” type of mode called “Ace Kills” that let you take down an enemy with a one-shot kill. First, you have to keep the enemy in your sights without firing your weapon—this will negate the powering-up of the special move—and fill the circular bar. Once it hits red, you can activate the mode, but if you can hold it longer and fully charge the bar, you can set yourself up for some bigger combined chain kills, taking out multiple bogies with one charge. Once you activate it, the world slows down and certain points on the enemy craft are highlighted to show you what can be shot for effect. On fighters, that includes the fuel tank and engine as one-shot kills. On fighters and larger planes, such as bombers, you can target the pilot for a one-shot kill, but you can also target the gunners on a plane, effectively silencing them.

The plane physics and controls for flying are easy, almost to a fault. The Left Stick is your basic flight control, enabling you to climb and dive and bank in any direction you need to. The rudder controls are built in to this, so there’s no need to control the finer points of steering—nor is there any possibility to. The Right Stick controls your throttle when flicked up and down, but also banks you without steering when pointed left or right. Controls like these are less about re-creating the realities of propeller-driven flight and more about making your plane do anything you want it to do in the air. It controls more like a TIE Fighter than a Spitfire. It is practically impossible to stall a plane in Heroes Over Europe, and crashing only happens when you get shot down or point your plane directly at something hard like the ground.

Anyway there will be reviews out for BOP before HOE is released in the US(since the game releases in Europe on Sept 4th). It will come down to what the reviewers say about who has the best controls, the best arcade mode, the length, and depth of the single player campaign, and the replayability of the single player campaign. Those are the 4 things I will base my decision on.

[SleepTrgt]

so if you like that game better then get it :-P
your decision, but dont tell me if BoP released 1 day before HOE you would get BoP.

So i still don't think its an issiue BoP is releasing 1 week after HOE in Us.
Infact i can't even find a EU release date for HOE.

[dennis580]

Well it is a big issue. If the reviews are fairly close then I will almost certainly get HOE because it comes out a week sooner. Being release a week ahead of time certainly does give HOE an advantage.

[SleepTrgt]

Well it is a big issue. If the reviews are fairly close then I will almost certainly get HOE because it comes out a week sooner. Being release a week ahead of time certainly does give HOE an advantage.

yea if i were you i should just really check out wich game you rather want.
Because a no rudder control would really turn me down. But thats me.
And for that Ace Kills stuff, you can do that in Il-2.

I remember the times i was behind a German who started to stall, lining up the perfect shot and BAM, he went down in a nice fireball.
Note that the plane wassen't even smoking before i hit it.(and it was in Sim mode)

[irrelevant]

I think most on this forum will need to agree to disagree here. Clearly, the majority of members of this forum support Birds of Prey (some will buy both games). If your selling points are a combination of arcade style and release date, HOE will win for you.

Frankly, I think BOP will have the longer replay value (three modes, unlimited challenge and learning curve, better design imo).

To each their own...

[SleepTrgt]

And btw Sim mode aint that hard. Put sensitivity down to your likes.
Be easy on the stick, dont be to wild and all be good.

This aint a pc sim, with millions of buttons.

[versapak]

I need to apologize to guiltyspark.

He was right. It was called for.


dennis580, have you even tried the BoP demo? Your ignorance to the differences between these two games is amazing. It seems that basically what you are looking for is mario kart in the WWII sky.

Like releasing a week early would make any difference at all in your case. You want to know what you can get with BoP? GO PLAY THE EFFIN DEMO!



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[H Lecter]

The Left Stick is your basic flight control, enabling you to climb and dive and bank in any direction you need to. The rudder controls are built in to this, so there’s no need to control the finer points of steering—nor is there any possibility to. The Right Stick controls your throttle when flicked up and down, but also banks you without steering when pointed left or right. Controls like these are less about re-creating the realities of propeller-driven flight and more about making your plane do anything you want it to do in the air. It controls more like a TIE Fighter than a Spitfire. It is practically impossible to stall a plane in Heroes Over Europe, and crashing only happens when you get shot down or point your plane directly at something hard like the ground.[/I]

Ok, now I know which game I will not buy. Even BF1943 has rudder controls and the flight physics there are far from convincing.

[SleepTrgt]

Ok, now I know which game I will not buy. Even BF1943 has rudder controls and the flight physics there are far from convincing.

Even though it was fun to fly in BF1943
the flight physics were horrible!

I think HOE will do a lot better then that!
Its just for the easy player the "halo" audience.
You will never get the feel of a real pilot! wich i do get from il-2 combined with watching the series Dogfights! :)

[dennis580]

I need to apologize to guiltyspark.

He was right. It was called for.


dennis580, have you even tried the BoP demo? Your ignorance to the differences between these two games is amazing. It seems that basically what you are looking for is mario kart in the WWII sky.

Like releasing a week early would make any difference at all in your case. You want to know what you can get with BoP? GO PLAY THE EFFIN DEMO!.

I cann't play the demo as I don't have access to it. I only own a PS3, and besides I am still on dialup(yea I live in a rural area that doesn't have access to broadband yet).

[Riceball]

Ok, now I know which game I will not buy. Even BF1943 has rudder controls and the flight physics there are far from convincing.

HoE has rudder controls. The author was playing with the "idiot" control setting. There is also a professional setting.

And i'm picking up both. My favorite genre, my favorite time period. I'll take all I can get.

[H Lecter]

HoE has rudder controls. The author was playing with the "idiot" control setting. There is also a professional setting.

And i'm picking up both. My favorite genre, my favorite time period. I'll take all I can get.

Oh, cool. Well, then I'll get that one as well. Somehow I need to justify the investment into the AV8R :)

[EDIT: Does anybody know if HoE will feature cockpit view?

One notable omission is cockpit view--try as we might, we could only select between two different follow cams.

Without cockpit view this game has no future on my box...]

[juz1]

I'm really confused about HoE now...

is it a gardening sim, pimp sim or Santa Sim (or would the latter be HoEHoE?)


Mario Kart of the sky? Being Italian it would be confusing which side to shoot at...( the losing one I guess ;) )

incoming accusations prejudice in 3,2,1....
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[Steiner]

I just recieved my GameStop News E-Mail that I subscribe to and noticed what may be a typo error. Here's a cut and paste of the text that pertains to Birds of Prey:

The Gun Show is Coming to Town, too
When you're finished piloting fighters, battle planes and heavy bombers through more than 50 of World War II's most famous battles, you can show off your guns with the GameStop-Exclusive IL 2 Sturmovik: Birds of Prey T-shirt, which will arrive with your game.

Ships September 8 for Xbox 360, PS3, DS and PSP: Reserve now!



Do you see what I see?

[P-51]

yes but still the 4th of september is better! :-P

[Steiner]

...not when you live in Point Mugu;)

[P-51]

Ohh poor you lot who have to wait longer!;)

[irrelevant]

yes but still the 4th of september is better! :-P

Hey mister, we'll take what we can get in the states! :P

[P-51]

haha, Pitty bout the P-51 cockpit. It might be fixed by the time its out for you!:-P

[irrelevant]

Yeah, one can only hope.

[dennis580]

Its official Birds of Play has been moved up to Sept 8th so it is now on a level playing field with Heros Over Europe. The Publisher wisely listened to my advice.

http://www.gamestop.com/browse/search.aspx?N=0&Ntk=TitleKeyword&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntt=IL-2%20Sturmovik:%20Birds%20of%20Prey

[irrelevant]

Good news!

[rageofatreus]

Its official Birds of Play has been moved up to Sept 8th so it is now on a level playing field with Heros Over Europe. The Publisher wisely listened to my advice.

http://www.gamestop.com/browse/search.aspx?N=0&Ntk=TitleKeyword&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntt=IL-2%20Sturmovik:%20Birds%20of%20Prey

Sweet!! One less week!!

[Steiner]

I just recieved my GameStop News E-Mail that I subscribe to and noticed what may be a typo error. Here's a cut and paste of the text that pertains to Birds of Prey:
The Gun Show is Coming to Town, too
When you're finished piloting fighters, battle planes and heavy bombers through more than 50 of World War II's most famous battles, you can show off your guns with the GameStop-Exclusive IL 2 Sturmovik: Birds of Prey T-shirt, which will arrive with your game.

Ships September 8 for Xbox 360, PS3, DS and PSP: Reserve now!

Do you see what I see?

So, it looks as if this wasn't a typo error after all.:cool: