Will the full game feature...?

[Xtinct]

The controls in this game is really messed up, Is it possible to switch the sticks in the full game like it's supposed to be?

Will the full game include Replay function so we can be able to catch the epic moments?

[Satyricon]

I'd love to see video tracks.

[irrelevant]

Please read some of the other threads...

No replay function and no immediate plans to change controller layout. The latter might change down the road, depending on how big of an issue it is, but there is no guarantee.

I'd recommend simply buying a flightstick for $40 or so. Problem solved. ;)

[Xtinct]

Oh that's a shame you can't change controller layout, What the hell was the developers thinking when they decided this layout.

Why fix something that's not broken!

I will not getting this game until the fix it. :-x

[Anton Yudintsev]

I will not getting this game until the fix it. :-x

OK

[Yossarian]

Unfortunately Anton from the ten or so people who I got to download the demo, 8 of them say the same thing. Your going to lose sales because of this, you can't expect people to be happy about flying in 'south-paw' mode, especially in a game where fine control is key to success.

Most of my friends that tried the demo, played for 2 minutes and gave up because of the sticks being reverse to they we are used to. They are all lost sales.

You keep going on about money this, sales that but this decision is going to cost you lots in lost sales, why can't you understand that.

Unless I get a flightstick or it's patched I can't see me buying it either, and I don't see why I 'have' to buy a flight stick as it makes the game cost £100. It's a shame you made a good game then ruined it with lousy controls that can't be reconfigured.

Shame I've wanted this game since it was announced, but looks like it is not for me.

[SleepTrgt]

Unfortunately Anton from the ten or so people who I got to download the demo, 8 of them say the same thing. Your going to lose sales because of this, you can't expect people to be happy about flying in 'south-paw' mode, especially in a game where fine control is key to success.

Most of my friends that tried the demo, played for 2 minutes and gave up because of the sticks being reverse to they we are used to. They are all lost sales.

You keep going on about money this, sales that but this decision is going to cost you lots in lost sales, why can't you understand that.

Unless I get a flightstick or it's patched I can't see me buying it either, and I don't see why I 'have' to buy a flight stick as it makes the game cost £100. It's a shame you made a good game then ruined it with lousy controls that can't be reconfigured.

Shame I've wanted this game since it was announced, but looks like it is not for me.


I still dont get it Every REAL flight game i played on consoles, steers with left stick. So it aint WRONG in my opinion at all.
Every game is Left Stick movement, right stick View.
Besides that i dont want my flying thumb also have to press buttons and the same hand using main gun.

[Anton Yudintsev]

Shame I've wanted this game since it was announced, but looks like it is not for me.

OK, I got it, I told already.
To my opinion, if the player just can't get used to it, and is not going to have flight stick - he definetly can't play and so don't need to buy it.

It seems to me that if someone is waiting for the game for two years, but haven't read how it will be controlled before game gone gold (a first information appeared a year ago) - then he get's what he dereved.

Also, it seems to me, that it is very easy to get used to it, and it is good layout, although it is not the same as you expected.

But again, OK. We make game, you vote with your money. If the game sucks, it won't rock in sales, no games like this will appear in the future. Definetly not sequel of this one.
Just wait for a next flight-sim, that will feature layout you like, and buy it. Pretty sure, it will be rather soon.

BTW, I personally don't believe in statistics like 8 out of 10 my friends.

[Yossarian]

Pretend it's not a problem all you want. It's you that will be put of a job when it does not sell, not me. Goodbye.

[l88bastard]

OK, I got it, I told already.
To my opinion, if the player just can't get used to it, and is not going to have flight stick - he definetly can't play and so don't need to buy it.

It seems to me that if someone is waiting for the game for two years, but haven't read how it will be controlled before game gone gold (a first information appeared a year ago) - then he get's what he dereved.

Also, it seems to me, that it is very easy to get used to it, and it is good layout, although it is not the same as you expected.

But again, OK. We make game, you vote with your money. If the game sucks, it won't rock in sales, no games like this will appear in the future. Definetly not sequel of this one.
Just wait for a next flight-sim, that will feature layout you like, and buy it. Pretty sure, it will be rather soon.

BTW, I personally don't believe in statistics like 8 out of 10 my friends.

Hi Anton, before I add anything here I just want to thank you for being so active with the community because it is good business on 1cs part! Also, I love the demo, love the game, but I love the il2 series from way back 2002 anyway so I was an easy lay for you guys!

Ok, so first, that poster was very rude to you, but he is upset because the game does not feature more control options, which it should. In this day and age with the power that our video game systems have there is no excuse for a developer not to include fully customizable button mapping options like they do for the computer games...its just lazy and disrespectful for a developer to say here is the controls and YOU WILL play this way or you wont play at all, I mean seriously how hard is it to develop an application that allows full button customization for your games...cant be that hard at all, so yes you guys should of had it in...a big mistake on 1cs fault and it may cost you guys millions of euros from lost sales :(

Finally, I will say this to the complainers...THIS IS A FLIGHT SIM GAME, buy a freaking Flightstick you morons because that is what this AMAZING game is designed for, the game is FANTASTIC so spend the $40 bucks and get the aviator from Saitek and stop your crying! You may as well go play blazing angels or ace combat because the whole goodness of this FANTABULOUS game is lost on your sorry butts!

[Moog]

Even though I will be playing with my AV8R, the controller layout feels just right to me.

[irrelevant]

I'm also used to pitch and roll with the left stick, viewing with the right. Even if it was the opposite, I would just buy a flight stick (which I did anyway). I'd rather spend $100 than continue to play arcade style flight games like Ace Combat or Blazing Angels.

This game looks like it kicks rump... and I'm only watching the trailers and demo vids guys are posting on here.

[Soviet Ace]

Don't worry Anton. At first I was a bit confused at the controls, but I got it quick enough. Some people just aren't used to having it different. I believe in the past (two or three years ago) there was a flight sim that had some controls similar, and at first I hated it because of that. But after playing with it for a week. I got used to the controls, and now I don't even have to think about what button to push or which trigger looks around and which turns the plane.

It's a fine control scheme, and some just don't know how to practice with it.

[juz1]

Anton-the full game will feature my approval:grin:;)

Guys- if you really have issues concerning controller layout then buy a stick,
please,

after all everyone said about a console conversion would need to appeal to biggest (i.e. fps) audience...if you like flight get a stick...($40US)

A game this good is worth the investment...

Just sayin..

ps...good work Anton et al :!::cool:
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[cocteau4ad]

Anton you are acting like a child. how can respond in such a way that comes out like you are doing us a favor, that if the game does not go gold we will never get anything like this. peolpe come to this forums is to complaint mostly, about the things that can make this game great. these are the players that are going to make this game go gold because they are the hardcore il2 Fans. listen to them not get mad and send childlike responses. its a good game and I hope is goes gold so we can have more and more of this.

[Riceball]

The layout has been known for WEEKS! Why was'nt everyone crying then?

The controls are just fine Anton. Thank You.

[Anton Yudintsev]

....

You simply had read it wrong.
It is sad, that somebody won't buy a game, because of controls.
It also sad, that the one hadn't let developer know about his concerns earlier, before game gone gold.
But only thing one could do now - is buy or not buy the game. That's it.
I am not doing 'a favour' of releasing this game. It is business.
If the game won't sell good - there won't be sequels, it is clear.
If everybody will buy Heroes over Europe instead - there will be sequel of Heroes.
Nothing I can do here.
If everybody will buy our game, and get used to our layout - than all future games, even not from us, will support this layout.
Nothing I can do here also.

But it's completely useless to write in each thread, that game sucks because of layout. First, I disagree, second it won't help anyone.

And, btw, simply that it's part of my job doesn't mean I like to read anything like your post. It is generally good idea to talk without using something like 'childish'.

[Saturat]

about 13% of a population are left-handed
5-8% are color-blind (the radar, may be impossible to see friend or foe)

flexibility in control scheme is a good thing, almost a standar in games that have spatial 3d movment. (not full customization, but different layouts to choose from)

Most console owners have multiple games. standarized controlls or customization makes switching between games easier.

[Spitfire23]

ive been playing the demo for 7 hours now and i love what you guys have created!

its just spectacular! i personally dont see the demo problem with the control layou, and i cant believe the cheek of some of these posters insulting you Anton.

BRAVO 1c, BRAVO

[OntheCrab]

Yeah, stick flipping would be good to have.

Personally I have no use for it. Evey single console flight game i have ever played has had Lefty Flight as the standard scheme.

All the hardcore flyers adore the virtues of the joystick experience...

Soooo.... the upset party must be R/C Flight enthusiasts with muscle memory issues?

I used to fly R/C planes before an analog stick gamepad ever existed. Hmm, a shame people are so upset, really.

Ah well.

[Raw Kryptonite]

Look at it this way. We were told the control scheme MONTHS ago, probably around last Dec, IIRC. No problem then. All of my games have slightly different controls, but the left stick is your main stick. OGF, AC6, Hawx. Can't remember Blazing Angels, I used that just on the Aviator.

Anyway, point is that we've enjoyed a generally nice and amicable forum here for about a year. Getting tidbits of info here and there...
Well what we're seeing here is an influx of people who--despite their attitude--are really here expressing interest in the game, just in an uncouth way. Enough to actually do research on it. They may be rude, ask old questions...but despite what they say, the mere presence of being here is a sign of support for the game. Seeing a lot of first time posters. Anton, take it all as positive attention in the form of a shoddily wrapped present.

[Moog]

:grin:I've been reading the forums, RC planes this, RC planes that.. Could not understand what game people were talking about until I realized, the radio-controlled planes. Now that's hilarious. Complaining because the game has a controls layout different from RC planes?? This is just ridiculous.

[loopdreams]

It's not just RC, it's a different layout to most flightsticks as well. Certainly the two I have for the PC both have your right hand on the aileron/elevator and left hand controlling the throttle. I've done a quite a lot of full-size flying in various aircraft and always had control of the ailerons and elevator with my right hand.

Yes I probably could get used to it given time but it's approximately equivalent to some publisher bringing out a first person shooter with no option to invert the y-axis and then telling anyone who doesn't like it that their control scheme is brilliant and anyway it's basically their fault for not telling them sooner. I'd probably not be inclined to give them my money.

Telling anyone who doesn't like it that the control scheme has been known about for ages kind of presumes that anyone considering buying this game will have spent the last year scouring forums like this one for every last bit of info which is obviously nonsense. The lack of any option to change this over is a complete oversight and I'm actually now stuck trying to decide whether I want to pay effectively £80 for the privilege of playing a flight sim on my TV or whether I should just forget all about it and play the PC ones that I already have.

[Strevo]

I cannot believe the fuss you guys are making about the controls! GET USED TO IT. If they had done whatever you wanted, they would still have people whining about it. Cheer the f*** up. It's a great game.

[ZZKoverts]

It's all very well to say "We were told about the control scheme months ago" But what about the hundreds of users who will try this demo, but aren't users of this forum? Like me. Those players aren't represented in a forum like this, mainly because it is populated by fans and dedicated players, who for most part it seems, won't be playing with a gamepad.
Had I been here, I would have told you, but I was not. and neither were any of the other new players discovering this game. The first experience I had of the game was the Demo, by which point it was too late. That's a big problem.

I was not aware of this game until literally a few hours ago. I downloaded the demo and found it pretty enjoyable except for the control scheme! I just can't get my head around it, It's a big problem for me! And I was pretty disappointed to find that it couldn't be changed.

As Anton said, it's pretty sad that someone will pass up on a game simply because of the controls. It's sad indeed. But true. And I'm afraid that person is me.
If it weren't for the fact that I'm forced to use this uncomfortable control scheme, IL-2 would have been a definite purchase for me, considering how much I enjoy the planes in BF1943 and the like.

Also, having seen it mentioned earlier in the thread, simply relying on the fanbase to buy flightsticks is NOT an acceptable solution.
I'm guessing that one of the big objectives of bringing Sturmovik to the console market is to capture some of the casual gamer demographic that normally wouldn't play this game on PC.
Well, mission failed. A casual gamer does not want to spend £40 on a game, then find that he has to go and spend another £80 on extra kit just so that he can enjoy the game properly!

[elneilios]

Casual Gamers = Gamepad = no problem because they're not as fussy as you lot
Hardcore Gamers = Flight Stick = no problem because it just works like you want

In the words of CompareTheMeerkat.com, simples!

[loopdreams]

Casual Gamers = Gamepad = no problem because they're not as fussy as you lot
Hardcore Gamers = Flight Stick = no problem because it just works like you want

In the words of CompareTheMeerkat.com, simples!
Yeah, that would be brilliant if there was a flightstick available actually worth parting with any cash for. If this game came out bundled with a decent flightstick I'd be pre-ordering it now. As it is I'll just wait and see what happens.

[Moog]

A casual gamer will buy the game and enjoy it for what it is.

[martyfly147]

:grin:I've been reading the forums, RC planes this, RC planes that.. Could not understand what game people were talking about until I realized, the radio-controlled planes. Now that's hilarious. Complaining because the game has a controls layout different from RC planes?? This is just ridiculous.

well if you had spent years learning to fly rc and building muscle memory you would understand how hard it is to switch flight modes ,personally if they are clear that there wont be a update i will just buy a stick that way my muscle momory wont be affected when im flying my rc jet worth over a £1000 (which i cant afford to crash) so im sorry it not ridiculous ,but i do feel some people have gone about complaining in the wrong way which is often the case on a foroum.

anton i very much appreaitce you posting on these foroums ,its a credit to you and your company not many would do it

[carbury]

So so so, I'have been playing the game for more 4 hours yesterday evening and have to say that the game is JUST AMAZING :grin:
So let me doing a little review:

-Graphic: it's just never seen here...amazing....just amazing... smoke, trees, houses, planes..everything is just perfect....God, the Battle of Britain map with the coast...since the first Battle of Britain game that's come out in 1990 i was waiting something like that !

Sounds: One more time...amazing :) Sounds of the gun are from far the best I heard. Maybe only IL2 1946 the all the last add-on and patch sounds better.
I mean, dive sounds are excellents, Engine sounds really good, Guns are perfect you can really identifiy what kind of bullets are comming from your six ;) ;)

Commands: So...here is the "famous" problem that everybody tell. So, for me the configuration is from far not bad I like it this way. As Anton said, they made 2 mods, one Arcade for player who want to feel a bit like a Blazing Angel (but 1000 better :) )that you can play with a Pad, and the Simulation Mod that you need to buy a flight stick to play really with. And here I don't see the problem as well...he is just true...you can't hope a simulation like IL2 46 on a Xbox without a Flight Stick !!! it's just impossible !!! Wake up guys !
Because here you right, Simulation mode is really hard to play with the pad. I have played the first mission and it was pretty fine...but the second one with the P-51D was just impossible and the most little turn was follow by a huge Stall Warning...
Well, people who want to fly in Sim mod have to buy a flight stick that's is the true.
The only bad things in my point of view is the impossibility to change control...
Anton, you made an incredible great simulation, so as a lot of people said, you need to hear that and make in an update the option to change control as you want. All the real simulation got it. yours need to have it to become even better !

Finaly this game was what I expected and even more : the absolutely first SIMULATION game on a console. I just can't stop at my first play on the battle of britain map and that was purely amazing and I can't wait to be at home tonight to play it again ( even with my poor Xbox pad :) ).
But, That would be nice to have option like Limited Ammo and Fuel ( Maybe there is but I don't see it, if anyone know about that ? )
So Anton, keep the good work but please, hear what people on the forum wrote about the demo. Most of us have played during years at IL2 1946 and it's why we are a bit demanding :)

But do not worry I will be one of many buyer of this game for sure :)
PS : Sorry for my English :)

[elneilios]

Yeah, that would be brilliant if there was a flightstick available actually worth parting with any cash for. If this game came out bundled with a decent flightstick I'd be pre-ordering it now. As it is I'll just wait and see what happens.

Actually this I do agree with. There is a piss poor selection of flight sticks for the 360. I would definately like to see some more choice in this area.

[David603]

I guess I will just get the Aviator at launch and wait to see if a better stick comes out, though I will be watching to see if there is a flightstick bundle.

[carbury]

I didn't found an answer at my question so sorry if the question has been already posted but is there an option to switch between unlimted and limited ammo and fuel ?
Hope so :grin:
++

[haitch40]

this thread has turned into a argument like the black outs 1 lol
please everything has left stick for pitch and roll from blazing angels to HAWX and heroes of the pacific
have u ever played a car game and steered with the right stick? i haven't

[haitch40]

In fact you just did.

what u mean?

[loopdreams]

this thread has turned into a argument like the black outs 1 lol
To be fair it's mostly turned into an argument because of some twelve year old morons going "How dare you criticise, this game is GREAT!!!!, STFU and get used to it"

On reflection even if the option was there to swap the sticks then the pad would still be pretty useless as you would then have the problem of having to remove your thumb from the main flight controls in order to use the face buttons.

So for me whether or not I get this game all hinges on the availability of a decent flight stick.

One thing unrelated to the control scheme that was bugging me a bit is the targetting. Is there any way to set an enemy in your crosshairs as the target? For a game that boasts about how many planes might be in the air at a time the current system of going through every single one seems a bit cumbersome.

[ZZKoverts]

Who in the name of God do you think you are to dare talk like this ?

The Customer.

[elneilios]

One thing unrelated to the control scheme that was bugging me a bit is the targetting. Is there any way to set an enemy in your crosshairs as the target? For a game that boasts about how many planes might be in the air at a time the current system of going through every single one seems a bit cumbersome.

WWII planes didn't have a targetting system, just human eyesight so I guess the developers didn't want to make the game too inaccurate with a complex HUD style targetting system but wanted to make something available so it wasn't too hard to play. If you use Sim mode you have no targetting at all!

[loopdreams]

WWII planes didn't have a targetting system, just human eyesight so I guess the developers didn't want to make the game too inaccurate with a complex HUD style targetting system but wanted to make something available so it wasn't too hard to play. If you use Sim mode you have no targetting at all!
Well they certainly saw fit to include a targetting system on all but one of the modes, all I'm suggesting is a "hold A to target nearest enemy in view" or similar. I'm not convinced by your argument that the lack of any such feature is some kind of an attempt at, or a nod toward, authenticity.

[loopdreams]

In this sentence "Customer" comes with a small "C".

You really think you're gods now, that's interesting.

I now know it's all better when a firm stays mysterious and I don't see any interest for the company to answer spoiled children's Demands (with a big "D").
They're certainly pretty lucky to have someone as special as you to stand up for them. Perhaps 'Anton' will send you a special prize.

[haitch40]

WWII planes didn't have a targetting system, just human eyesight so I guess the developers didn't want to make the game too inaccurate with a complex HUD style targetting system but wanted to make something available so it wasn't too hard to play. If you use Sim mode you have no targetting at all!

true the first target system was developed for korea and it showed u how to lad a target
btw my country keeps raining lol

[elneilios]

Whats the point in getting angry over a computer game? Its not actually going to affect your real life? Its really simple, if your angry about things, don't buy it and don't play it. Buy something else that doesn't make you angry (if such a game exists!)

[elneilios]

true the first target system was developed for korea and it showed u how to lad a target
btw my country keeps raining lol

Ha, our weathermen predicted heat waves and 30+ degrees! But like you it is now raining and is about 18 degrees!! We should move to a better climate I think!

[haitch40]

Ha, our weathermen predicted heat waves and 30+ degrees! But like you it is now raining and is about 18 degrees!! We should move to a better climate I think!

30+ my god where r u i need to go there

[elneilios]

30+ my god where r u i need to go there

You're already here mate! The (not so) sunny UK! It was on the news last night about just how wrong the weathermen got it for this summers predictions. Had a lovely Spring at least....

[elneilios]

You're already here mate! The (not so) sunny UK! It was on the news last night about just how wrong the weathermen got it for this summers predictions. Had a lovely Spring at least....

Haha - I just realised the irony of how very English it is of us to discuss the weather amidst the raging warzone of this thread.... lol

[loopdreams]

Whats the point in getting angry over a computer game? Its not actually going to affect your real life? Its really simple, if your angry about things, don't buy it and don't play it. Buy something else that doesn't make you angry (if such a game exists!)
It's a fair point, however what is actually annoying is being told off by some stupid little spod for offering any criticism on a forum which has that express purpose.

[elneilios]

It's a fair point, however what is actually annoying is being told off by some stupid little spod for offering any criticism on a forum which has that express purpose.

Criticism is good and constructive but there has been a lot of anger displayed in this thread, that was my only point. E.g. "being told off by some stupid little spod" is anger and uneccessary.

[Xtinct]

OK I didn't expect my thread to make such a big reaction.

Honestly I know three people IRL and numerous people online not getting this game because of the awkward controllers,
and now it seems like other flaws have risen to the surface like the lack of P-51D cockpit and possibly more in the full release.

If the developers expect this game to sell and want to get a fanbase they can at least can promise us a patch to fix these issues
instead of turning their back to us.

[Anton Yudintsev]

Is there any way to set an enemy in your crosshairs as the target? For a game that boasts about how many planes might be in the air at a time the current system of going through every single one seems a bit cumbersome.

There are few ways to do it.
First, if no target is selected already - press 'A', and the nearest to your crosshair fighter will be selected (well, we have some heurestics here, depending on angle and distance). Automatically, the game build list of all enemies nearby, so you can cycle with 'A' through all of them.

What you are probably asking about is how to select another fighter after this (list is already made, and you can just cycle).

First, just shoot somewhere to enemy. He'll become auto-targeted automatically.
Second, destroying selected target force the game to re-build this list.
Third, after a while (15 seconds, afair) pressing 'A' will work like there is no target (selecting closest one).
And the last, but not the least. Press'n'hold 'A' will select one of your Main Objective target (if there are any nearby). It is very helpful.

We experimented a lot with. Tens of different solutions. And stayed on this.

Now, if you think over it, it is reasonable.
Always selecting closest target by 'A' won't allow you to select targets which are probably more interesting - let's say you are on tail of one bomber, but closest one is fighter covering it. Or, more illustrative, ground targets/ships won't be selected at all - most of the time, you are not diving.
And we need to have some way to select Main Targets, because, um, they are Main.

Hope, that answers your question.

[Anton Yudintsev]

OK I didn't expect my thread to make such a big reaction.

Honestly I know three people IRL and numerous people online not getting this game because of the awkward controllers.

If the developers expect this game to sell and want to get a fanbase they can at least can promise us a patch to fix these issues
instead of turning their back to us.

Once again, I can't _promise_ anthing. Three people are three buyers, of course, but only three.
But, this feedback _will_ be taken in account. It is not that we are ignoring it.

[Satyricon]

Unfortunately Anton from the ten or so people who I got to download the demo, 8 of them say the same thing. Your going to lose sales because of this, you can't expect people to be happy about flying in 'south-paw' mode, especially in a game where fine control is key to success.

Most of my friends that tried the demo, played for 2 minutes and gave up because of the sticks being reverse to they we are used to. They are all lost sales.

You keep going on about money this, sales that but this decision is going to cost you lots in lost sales, why can't you understand that.

Unless I get a flightstick or it's patched I can't see me buying it either, and I don't see why I 'have' to buy a flight stick as it makes the game cost £100. It's a shame you made a good game then ruined it with lousy controls that can't be reconfigured.

Shame I've wanted this game since it was announced, but looks like it is not for me.

The game isn't really meant to be played with a pad anyway. The real market for this title are the guys with disposable income to spend $40 on a Flight Stick. This game is going to do very, very well, regardless.

[loopdreams]

There are few ways to do it.
First, if no target is selected already - press 'A', and the nearest to your crosshair fighter will be selected (well, we have some heurestics here, depending on angle and distance). Automatically, the game build list of all enemies nearby, so you can cycle with 'A' through all of them.

What you are probably asking about is how to select another fighter after this (list is already made, and you can just cycle).

First, just shoot somewhere to enemy. He'll become auto-targeted automatically.
Second, destroying selected target force the game to re-build this list.
Third, after a while (15 seconds, afair) pressing 'A' will work like there is no target (selecting closest one).
And the last, but not the least. Press'n'hold 'A' will select one of your Main Objective target (if there are any nearby). It is very helpful.

We experimented a lot with. Tens of different solutions. And stayed on this.

Now, if you think over it, it is reasonable.
Always selecting closest target by 'A' won't allow you to select targets which are probably more interesting - let's say you are on tail of one bomber, but closest one is fighter covering it. Or, more illustrative, ground targets/ships won't be selected at all - most of the time, you are not diving.
And we need to have some way to select Main Targets, because, um, they are Main.

Hope, that answers your question.
Thanks, man. Makes sense.

[H Lecter]

The game isn't really meant to be played with a pad anyway. The real market for this title are the guys with disposable income to spend $40 on a Flight Stick. This game is going to do very, very well, regardless.

I would probably spend much more for a decent flight stick if there were any available. :(

[loopdreams]

Criticism is good and constructive but there has been a lot of anger displayed in this thread, that was my only point. E.g. "being told off by some stupid little spod" is anger and uneccessary.
Fair enough. It just winds me up when people accuse others of just moaning for the sake of it. I've been excited about this game since I first heard it might be a possibility and the finished product looks like it will deliver and then some.

[elneilios]

Fair enough. It just winds me up when people accuse others of just moaning for the sake of it. I've been excited about this game since I first heard it might be a possibility and the finished product looks like it will deliver and then some.

Yeah thats fair enough too, I've been excited about it as well. I actually thought you made a good point about lack of flight sticks on the 360, its a definate problem. And theres definately improvements that could be made as we've all said about in the last few threads.

My original post was actually aimed at the guys that were yelling at Anton and saying they won't buy the game (as if people should care about that person buying the game or not!). I found that a bit rude, thats all.