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trk29
06-24-2009, 03:45 PM
I just received this e-mail the other day and thought I would share it with the forum. Enjoy.

Look carefully at the B-17 and note how shot up it is - one engine dead, tail, horizontal stabilizer and nose shot up.. It was ready to fall out of the sky. (This is a painting done by an artist from the description of both pilots many years later.) Then realize that there is a German ME-109 fighter flying next to it. Now read the story below. I think you'll be surprised.

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo341/timmykeith29/IL-2%20BOP/b17.jpg

Charlie Brown was a B-17 Flying Fortress pilot with the 379th Bomber Group at Kimbolton, England. His B-17 was called 'Ye Old Pub' and was in a terrible state, having been hit by flak and fighters. The compass was damaged and they were flying deeper over enemy territory instead of heading home to Kimbolton.

After flying the B-17 over an enemy airfield, a German pilot named Franz Steigler was ordered to take off and shoot down the B-17. When he got near the B-17, he could not believe his eyes. In his words, he 'had never seen a plane in such a bad state'. The tail and rear section was severely damaged, and the tail gunner wounded. The top gunner was all over the top of the fuselage. The nose was smashed and there were holes everywhere.

Despite having ammunition, Franz flew to the side of the B-17 and looked at Charlie Brown, the pilot. Brown was scared and struggling to control his damaged and blood-stained plane.
BF-109 pilot Franz Stigler B-17 pilot Charlie Brown.


Aware that they had no idea where they were going, Franz waved at Charlie to turn 180 degrees. Franz escorted and guided the stricken plane to, and slightly over, the North Sea towards England. He then saluted Charlie Brown and turned away, back to Europe. When Franz landed he told the CO that the plane had been shot down over the sea, and never told the truth to anybody. Charlie Brown and the remains of his crew told all at their briefing, but were ordered never to talk about it.
More than 40 years later, Charlie Brown wanted to find the Luftwaffe pilot who saved the crew. After years of research, Franz was found. He had never talked about the incident, not even at post-war reunions.

They met in the USA at a 379th Bomber Group reunion, together with 25 people who are alive now - all because Franz never fired his guns that day.

(L-R) German Ace Franz Stigler, artist Ernie Boyett, and B-17 pilot Charlie Brown.

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo341/timmykeith29/IL-2%20BOP/heroes.jpg

When asked why he didn't shoot them down, Stigler later said, I didn't have the heart to finish those brave men. I flew beside them for a long time. They were trying desperately to get home and I was going to let them do that. I could not have shot at them. It would have been the same as shooting at a man in a parachute.
Both men died in 2008.

This is a true story http://www.snopes.com/military/charliebrown.asp
THIS WAS BACK IN THE DAYS WHEN THERE WAS HONOR IN BEING A WARRIOR...THEY PROUDLY WORE UNIFORMS, AND THEY DIDN'T HIDE IN AMBUSH INSIDE A MOSQUE, OR BEHIND WOMEN AND CHILDREN, NOR DID THEY USE MENTALLY RETARDED WOMEN AS SUICIDE BOMBERS TO TARGET AND KILL INNOCENT CIVILIANS...HOW TIMES HAVE CHANGED......

Douglas Bader
06-24-2009, 03:53 PM
Great story TRK. There must be hundreds of stories just like this. If any of you know stories like this, please post them. It's wonderful reading material.

Anton Yudintsev
06-24-2009, 04:04 PM
Sad thing, that most of such generous gestures from German pilots happened to US/UK pilots.
Since 42 German fighters were shooting bailed out Soviet pilots, on parachutes.

haitch40
06-24-2009, 04:05 PM
i have a story about a p47

this guy in the p47 was shot up by fw190s and thought he'd be dead any second he then couldn't bail and on top of that a german ace used all his ammo shooting the p47 but somehow this guy got home

philip.ed
06-24-2009, 04:34 PM
It's amazing how that b-17 story gets around! I was e-mailed that a couple of years ago. It really is amazing ;)

xNikex
06-24-2009, 04:51 PM
i have a story about a p47

this guy in the p47 was shot up by fw190s and thought he'd be dead any second he then couldn't bail and on top of that a german ace used all his ammo shooting the p47 but somehow this guy got home

I believe that was on an episode of dogfights called 'Long Odds'.

xNikex
06-24-2009, 04:55 PM
Sad thing, that most of such generous gestures from German pilots happened to US/UK pilots.
Since 42 German fighters were shooting bailed out Soviet pilots, on parachutes.

I couldn't imagine.

haitch40
06-24-2009, 04:55 PM
I believe that was on an episode of dogfights called 'Long Odds'.

yes it was but it was a special about the p47
long odds was about another heroic b17. man i love that show but i cant get channel with it on any more

Raw Kryptonite
06-24-2009, 06:09 PM
Dogfights is worth buying. Both seasons together are pretty cheap and it just doesn't get old. Same for Battle 360.

xNikex
06-25-2009, 01:14 AM
yes it was but it was a special about the p47
long odds was about another heroic b17. man i love that show but i cant get channel with it on any more

Oh yeah, thanks for correcting me.

Still, it the guy did have long odds of surviving. I remember when they actually animated the pilot trying to fit the through the broken canopy and gave up.

And don't sweat over that channel anymore. They don't play it as often as they used to.

guiltyspark
06-25-2009, 02:02 AM
This was back in the days when there was honor in being a warrior...they proudly wore uniforms, and they didn't hide in ambush inside a mosque, or behind women and children, nor did they use mentally retarded women as suicide bombers to target and kill innocent civilians...how times have changed......







Political thread is political

bsmith13
06-25-2009, 02:12 AM
i have a story about a p47

this guy in the p47 was shot up by fw190s and thought he'd be dead any second he then couldn't bail and on top of that a german ace used all his ammo shooting the p47 but somehow this guy got home

That happened to Bob Johnson. In addition to seeing it on "Dogfights", you can read about it in his biography: Thunderbolt.

That story about the B-17 is a really good one. Thanks for posting it.

Riceball
06-25-2009, 03:46 AM
Thanks for sharing that. It's amazing to me how much respect enemy soldiers can have for one another, even during war. I would love to see a video of the first time the two pilots met. Even though I'd probably be crying like a school girl.

Orders are orders, but you still have to be able to look at yourself in the mirror when it's all over.

Marchochias
06-25-2009, 05:40 AM
Thanks for sharing that. It's amazing to me how much respect enemy soldiers can have for one another, even during war. I would love to see a video of the first time the two pilots met. Even though I'd probably be crying like a school girl.

Orders are orders, but you still have to be able to look at yourself in the mirror when it's all over.

It's even more impressive when you consider that it was a bomber, which was most likely bombing some German city. So in a way, his country was being attacked, and yet he didn't want to shoot down the bomber.

Just goes to show that the people of the nations in Europe shouldn't have been fighting at all, as they shared a set of values and standards. But that's what happens when a country lets extremists take over.

irrelevant
06-26-2009, 02:20 AM
I agree with everyone that has posted here; thanks for sharing such a great story. I'm happy to see the two pilots were able to reunite before they saw the end of their days.

Desode
06-26-2009, 05:56 AM
It's even more impressive when you consider that it was a bomber, which was most likely bombing some German city. So in a way, his country was being attacked, and yet he didn't want to shoot down the bomber.

Just goes to show that the people of the nations in Europe shouldn't have been fighting at all, as they shared a set of values and standards. But that's what happens when a country lets extremists take over.

Yes when Socialism slowly crept over Germany, it happend with so many promises of good things. History teaches it and yet people just never learn. I hate say this but in one form or another it will happen again.

When things sound to good to be true and the government wants to run or as they make it sound "help " you with your everyday life, its time to keep your eyes open. Lots of german people just kept turning a blind eye to what was going on because everything sounded so good. The National Socialist party made them completly dependent so that they could control the population. Most people were to scared to loose what the government was giving them.

I have a heart full of respect for the Germans that stood up against Socialism and put their beliefs first. Lots of them were killed by the SS. I feel they are some true Heroes.

DESODE

LJ371
06-26-2009, 06:37 AM
These men really did have such honor. To be able to do something like this, and use better judgement over command... and to never tell a soul that what you had done to protect those men and himself.
Truly a great story.

Spitfire23
06-27-2009, 05:27 AM
Thanks for sharing that, it truly is a heart warming story.

As you said it really does show how times have changed

R.I.P. Valiant heroes of the War

"You will never be forgotten"

Rickenbacker
07-27-2009, 05:22 PM
i have a story about a p47

this guy in the p47 was shot up by fw190s and thought he'd be dead any second he then couldn't bail and on top of that a german ace used all his ammo shooting the p47 but somehow this guy got home

That was Robert S Johnson, the story is told in full in his book "Thunderbolt".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_S._Johnson

mcgee1516
07-27-2009, 10:13 PM
After looking at that picture I've just realized something. The spiral nose cone on the 109. After watching recent trailers I've noticed few of the 109s depicted had a similar nose cone design but they seem to just be painted on circles, not swirls like in the picture and here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z71gYnaGyb8

Was it particularly difficult to animate this certain feature Anton? Just curious, Thanks.

mcgee1516
07-27-2009, 10:17 PM
at about 0:48 and 0:58 is where I'm thinking......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7nkHNBh4ZU

haitch40
07-28-2009, 11:31 AM
at about 0:48 and 0:58 is where I'm thinking......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7nkHNBh4ZU

is this going to be the games opening movie?