Spider no loss without Magic Spring ?

[Youpiya]

Hello,

I made exactly 150 no loss battles and there are no more battles I can do before the spider.
I play as a Soothsayer, I tried 1/1/1 trolls, 3 trolls, 3 trolls + 3 Giants + 3 Jotuns, nothing works, I fail when the spider is 12000/36000HP.
I have 82 mana, I was stupid enough to activate the Hilda power 3 or 4 battles ago so that speed and initiative up is not usable...
I have a +10DEF scroll I used, nothing more...
Stone skin costs 3 or 5 MP so that it is expensive at the end, i have no spell that deals damage, just 320HP with the magic missile... and most of all, no magic spring :(((( otherwise it would be doable !

Did I forget anything useful ? Any idea ?

[ckdamascus]

Hello,

I made exactly 150 no loss battles and there are no more battles I can do before the spider.
I play as a Soothsayer, I tried 1/1/1 trolls, 3 trolls, 3 trolls + 3 Giants + 3 Jotuns, nothing works, I fail when the spider is 12000/36000HP.
I have 82 mana, I was stupid enough to activate the Hilda power 3 or 4 battles ago so that speed and initiative up is not usable...
I have a +10DEF scroll I used, nothing more...
Stone skin costs 3 or 5 MP so that it is expensive at the end, i have no spell that deals damage, just 320HP with the magic missile... and most of all, no magic spring :(((( otherwise it would be doable !

Did I forget anything useful ? Any idea ?

Impressive, but I think you are better of sucking it up and taking a loss.

The current game design seems to allow for losses.

[CharmedonWB]

It is very easy to no loss the spider with 1/1/1 trolls and stone skin.

[Razorflame]

yes if you want to take very long;)

[Youpiya]

It is very easy to no loss the spider with 1/1/1 trolls and stone skin.

Tx for this very very interesting post.

Stone skin is 3 mana.
3 trolls means 9 mana for 3 turns. So, it lasts 30 turns.
In 30 turns, my 3 trolls do 3 x 200 x 30 = 18000 damages (I do not count the move of the spider...). It lasts 18000 damages to kill the spider...

So, I am VERY interested in how the VERY easy way works, but instead of talking big with one single statement without explanation, may be you can go further in explanation ...?
Tx a lot...

[Razorflame]

you don't have to cast stone skin on every troll

only the one that is attacking the spider

:)

[Xev]

you don't have to cast stone skin on every troll

only the one that is attacking the spider

:)

If only one Troll is attacking then you you do only 1/3 damage. So it is the same - you have to cast stones skin 3 times to do the same damage.
BTW The spieder has 34000 hp, not 18000

[Xev]

Hello,

I made exactly 150 no loss battles and there are no more battles I can do before the spider.
I play as a Soothsayer, I tried 1/1/1 trolls, 3 trolls, 3 trolls + 3 Giants + 3 Jotuns, nothing works, I fail when the spider is 12000/36000HP.
I have 82 mana, I was stupid enough to activate the Hilda power 3 or 4 battles ago so that speed and initiative up is not usable...
I have a +10DEF scroll I used, nothing more...
Stone skin costs 3 or 5 MP so that it is expensive at the end, i have no spell that deals damage, just 320HP with the magic missile... and most of all, no magic spring :(((( otherwise it would be doable !

Did I forget anything useful ? Any idea ?

Same here. I'm a soothsayer now at level 20 with 7092 leadership (impossible/no loss)
My luck was to get ancient knowledge and flaming eye. But i didn't get mana spring and teleport.
I tried the spider boss with 1/1/1, 3. First loss at 12k hp.
Then i used all runes to get sacrifice lvl2 int23 to produce trolls (resurrected with maidens).
Now next try with 2/2/2, 3/3, 6, 6+full crew. All failed at 8k hp.
With one 6 troll unit the spider boss throws endless webs - 5 turns webs, 1 turn 3 new spider stacks 300+.
It's very hard to move the trolls to the new location when the spider boss moves.

So, this 'it's all so easy' is at least only 'had luck to get mana spring'. Nothing more.
I wish to see the full combat video to believe that this is possible without loss and without any modifying kfs/lua.

[Youpiya]

Tx for answering me as you seem to be the only one in this topic who really tried. For me it is not doable without magic spring. May be it is, but I need more that "it is easy" or "use stone skin", I spent about 500 hours in KBtL, 1500 hours in KBAP, I am at about 100 hours i WotN, and 10 of these 100 hours were spent on this spider combat... I'm no noob.

The thing is, my trolls, with 40 or 180ATT (after frenzy and death of other spiders) do the same damage to the big spider (162 to 216 only, never more). The small spiders it is logical, because they have a DEF which is less than 3 times trolls ATT. The big spider seems to have a small DEF either.
Average damage = 189. 34000/189 = 180 rounds if it is only 1 troll hitting the spider. At 100 rounds, packs of spider are of 300 to 400 and 2 of them kill one troll... So I need to have at least 2 or 3 trolls on the spider...

I have a +20% leadership, a call colossus (best is 3 Giants) and a +10DEF.
I do not have mana regenerator as it is not usefull after the 20th round. Is it ? Did the rule change since AP and +2/4/8 mana are till the end of the combat ???
I need a lead, I want this fight to be a no loss !!!! :(

[Youpiya]

I may have a solution with 3 trolls + 3 jotuns + 3 giants.
I need to have a 30 round max victory to succeed. Regards to the damages done by 2 or 3 hitting the spider, it is doable, because I have higher magic level3 + Healing lvl3. But for this, I need to find the perfect combat with only 1 move of the spider. I'll try when my daughter is asleep !!

[CharmedonWB]

I wish to see the full combat video to believe that this is possible without loss and without any modifying kfs/lua.

Ask and you shall receive. Troll battle 1/1/1 using only stone skin and no mods on Impossible. It is not the full battle because it takes too long but it is enough for you to get the point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efUhN_snMLY

[Xev]

I may have a solution with 3 trolls + 3 jotuns + 3 giants.
I need to have a 30 round max victory to succeed. Regards to the damages done by 2 or 3 hitting the spider, it is doable, because I have higher magic level3 + Healing lvl3. But for this, I need to find the perfect combat with only 1 move of the spider. I'll try when my daughter is asleep !!

Please tell us when you succeed with this combination. It's great to see another guy who will not give up.
BTW. You got giants? At one of jotun houses?

[ckdamascus]

Yes, the correct combination is the 3 locations, but, what do you do when the spider moves? Your trolls are stuck... how do they get from one side to the other? It turns into a web fest too.

I used to split up the 3 trolls so no matter where the spider is, at least one troll can hit them, but that takes a while.

Maybe I didn't try hard enough but I just didn't feel the 100+ rounds of combat was worth it for me. (well that was with the Viking/Warrior).

With my Soothsayer, I just figured it wasn't worth it. :) Took me 24 rounds with losses and that was while using a lot of bears for heavy offense.

Yeah, only way to do it with 3 giants would be if you get lucky with a Call Colossus (which I incidentally did have). :) Although I wonder if they are really the best choice?

It might be doable if the current game wasn't BROKEN with regards to archdemons NOT getting rage balls even if they score a kill.

Anyway, you'll see what i mean by no loss is not worth it if you try to beat the game.

[Youpiya]

Ask and you shall receive. Troll battle 1/1/1 using only stone skin and no mods on Impossible. It is not the full battle because it takes too long but it is enough for you to get the point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efUhN_snMLY

Tx for the video... But, please, just read the title of my topic.
without Magic Spring.
Can you tell me how a warrior, so who has not got as mana as me Soothsayer, spend 650 MANAS (see image on 1:36, 650 mana spent hahaha).
650 manas gained through MAGIC SPRING. DEF+5 MANA+5 when hit. With this spell, I can assure you, I would not have created a topic here...

Now, my daughter is asleep, spider, it is you and me now !!!

Xev, I had 3 Giants through "Call Colossus" spell I had succeeding in the quest for the zombie woman. But the thing is, I think I'll restart from 17 fights before, and try regularly this spell, and try to have better level 5 unit...
What level 5 unit would be perfect for this fight ? Giant is too slow ! And killing spiders with his jump is stupid because the big spider calls news spiders faster so that the packs are bigger and bigger... faster !

[ckdamascus]

In impossible mode? Not sure how it is possible without magic spring. I think the real question is, why do you care to no loss this part? I assure you, later on it will be MUCH harder to no loss some battles.

Even if you do it with 'loss' you might find it isn't THAT easy either? (with soothsayer) <shrugs>, but at least you won't spend a lot of time waiting for web to expire and hope he doesn't chain web you.

I know that probably isn't the answer you want to hear. And I have done no loss in Armored Princess (killed Ktahu Impossible in 6 rounds no loss :) ), but honestly, I had a lot more fun once I got over the fact that I didn't have magic spring either as soothsayer and my build wasn't ideal for no lossing the spider.

If you insist, the problem is there is almost NO unit that can hit him without getting retaliated on and dying without sustained stoneskin.

One unit that CAN hit him is Jarl's Sweep attack IF you get a spider adjacent to the spider boss. But the gift spell might be expensive (never used it) and you don't have unlimited runes...

You can also try relying on transmute, but delaying in killing the spider minions is generally better unless you are doing a full blitz army for the reasons you said.

[Razorflame]

well since your a mage don't you have transmute?

That gives u +2 mana for every kill u make IIRC

so you don't need a magic spring :D

as supporting unit I would go for a cyclop if you get it from the scroll

giant is bad slow speed and ini
dragons are also no use since u need to heal them and stuff
archdemon would be ok if it would spawn rage balls(dunno if this is already fixed in a patch)
Ents are not a very good choice either(see giant)
ogre also not very good

cyclops already got high res and can do ranged attack if needed:)

[Razorflame]

oh and there was another guy(forgot his name)

that used to fill the battle field with ice crystals
( so no spider were spawning anymore and then u can freely kill the boss with ranged or w/e;)

[Youpiya]

@ck : i dont want to discuss why I want no loss, I just want no loss ;)

@razor : then cyclop it is, seems a good choice. Transmute +2 does not work, killing spiders is a real bad idea as they are spawned in bigger packs as soon as they are killed. So I never hit spider, and if I do in the 1st counter attacks, I can kill at the best 15 to 20 units. 20x2 = 40. + my 80 mana this is no 650 mana...

But the spikes idea is just wonderful !!!! I will try it just now and come back, I have the spell !

[gheorghe]

It won't work with spikes. :) The boss attack the spikes sometimes then will spawn the spiders.
The spawn spiders are hero-leadership related. I think. :D

[Youpiya]

It is really rare but it indeed happens : the spider attacks the spikes...
My luck is that I have a lot of call of nature scrolls.
Each spike destroyed I summon a small creature. For instance it does not works, but I will find the way, the boss just went 8K HP at the 8th attempt !
THAT is fun :)

[Razorflame]

you will get him down np i have faith in you:)

you fill up the battlefield and no more spider summons and then u can just bash with the trolls to kill the spider :D

[gheorghe]

With your leadership and IF you got the phantom scroll i would go with trolls, royal snakes, maidens, bersereks ,and jarls. Second turn go berserek with.. bersereks on boss :)

[Razorflame]

he wants to do no loss
means no beserks

[ckdamascus]

I tried doing the ice spike trick, but couldn't get them to fill up the board fast enough before the spider summons would destroy them. Admittedly, I had a full team so it might have been harder to maneuver.

Also, I wonder if that would drain away his mana reserves too fast too?

Well, I think he wanted to do phantom with the berserkers which might work but it seems expensive manawise.

[Xev]

Had the spider down to 3k then it killed a troll with one shot.
I used 5/1 trolls. Will try it again.
With 4/1/1 i run out of mana before getting him below 6k. Will try it with stoneskin 1 (3 mana instead of 5).
I give up tries with 6 trolls + 5 jotuns. Below 10k you must heal jotuns every turn.
Important:
1. there are much more new spiders if they were attacked. I don't attack any spawned spider.
2. spider boss changes position clockwise. Attack stack should be most right at spider to get fast to new location when spider boss moves.
3. all units should stay at a position where only 2 adjacent spiders can attack.

I'm sure 5/1/1 would succeed but how to get this leadership?
Now i'm thinking about iceball. Will test it this night too.
Good luck Youpiya, i hope you find a way.

[Xev]

Victory!
after many hours where i tried this spider boss with no-loss/no mana spring i had the luck to succeed in 58 rounds:-P

Trolls were 4/1/1 (only 4 stack attacks, other only defend).
All other tries with 1 of 2 units get perma-web when boss is below 8k.
Winning key were the correct positions and using only stoneskin 1.
Have a look at this picture to get all informations.

Best wishes to Youpiya to get another winning solution!

http://www.rwx.de/kb/spider-noloss.jpg

[dainbramage]

You can do it with a fairly standard army no loss.

Army:
Trolls, unsplit
Warrior maidens, split into 2
2x damage stacks, or 1 tank + 1 damage

Trolls tank and slowly damage the spider. Call of nature right in-front of the spider is also a good idea. Warrior maidens resurrect anything that dies. Other stacks clean up spiders and can hit the big spider if you have a revive handy.

[ckdamascus]

Congrats! How did you manage to get to level 20 though as Soothsayer on impossible? Seemed sort of difficult unless you had an Ancient Knowledge Scroll?

[Xev]

Congrats! How did you manage to get to level 20 though as Soothsayer on impossible? Seemed sort of difficult unless you had an Ancient Knowledge Scroll?

I had luck to get Ancient Knowledge and Flaming Eyes. Used 4 scrolls for 20 higher battles.
Without Ancient Scrolls level 18 + Flaming Eyes should be enough to have 6 trolls in army. Call Colossus would be helpful to get the trolls, but i had to produce them with sacrifice/maiden rez which cost me a lot of runes and crystals.

[Xev]

You can do it with a fairly standard army no loss.

Army:
Trolls, unsplit
Warrior maidens, split into 2
2x damage stacks, or 1 tank + 1 damage

Trolls tank and slowly damage the spider. Call of nature right in-front of the spider is also a good idea. Warrior maidens resurrect anything that dies. Other stacks clean up spiders and can hit the big spider if you have a revive handy.

Maidens were killed very fast. You must handle 10+ stacks with 200+ spiders without loss. BTW Maidens resurrects 1-4, not the trolls.

[dainbramage]

Maidens were killed very fast. You must handle 10+ stacks with 200+ spiders without loss. BTW Maidens resurrects 1-4, not the trolls.
What killed the maidens, you couldn't keep the spider stacks down? You need a reset if the big spider picks on them a lot, but I was able to kill all of the little spiders before they could act. And yeah you're not meant to lose a troll.

I should add I didn't come up with this (the method was posted in some other thread about the spider), but the adaption I used worked well.

[Xev]

What killed the maidens, you couldn't keep the spider stacks down? You need a reset if the big spider picks on them a lot, but I was able to kill all of the little spiders before they could act. And yeah you're not meant to lose a troll.

I should add I didn't come up with this (the method was posted in some other thread about the spider), but the adaption I used worked well.

We speak of impossible/no loss, else?
Impossible means: Spider boss will kill randomly 2-3 maidens. If you kill spider stacks then the next stacks are bigger and so on. Don't tell something like it's all so easy if you never have done it yourself.

[Youpiya]

Congrats !!!! That is giving me hope !!!!

I will try tonight, yeasterday I just went 17 fights ago (my last save) to get hilda's power. So I had to re-do 17 fights before going to the spider. And I could not finish the 17 fights before going to bed :)
For the rules :
- The 1 is logical, I already did not kill spiders !
- The 2 is also logical, that is why I did 17 fights again, because I stupidly used the Hilda ability 2 fights before the spider...
- The 3 I will do, but the thing is I do not have that leadership, I'm just lvl18, so I will never have the ability to have more than 5 trolls... Even with my +20% leadership, I cant go more than 5...
- The 4/5, I did it sometimes but the thing is I had also Jotun and Giant to heal, so it is tough to use the mana right at each turn (even with higher magic level 3 !)
- The 6, I plan to do the perfect fight and learn where the boss go, and redo it again as many times as necessary :)
- For the 7 and for the red circle, tx, I did not notice that and it is very smart

Raaaa, I have to wait for tonight, damn family with son and daughter.
I really love them, but I WANT TO KILL THAT SPIDER !!!!

[Youpiya]

I'm finally at the end of my 17 fights, have the inspiration of hilda ready, but I need an extra level before the spider fight.
So I upgrade my items.
Each fight won, I look at the Call Colossus result. Surprisingly, since I am in the spider cave, it is always Black dragon. It sucks for the spider combat... So I go out and try the Call Colossus again. Surprise ! It changes to Ogres !!!!

So, good to know : the randomization of call colossus spell changed from KB TL and AP : now, it is the place you are in the game that gives the troop !!!!
I'm now navigating through the map, looking for a Cyclop :grin:

And then, the spider is mine : NO LOSS POWER !

[Snow11]

I'm in the same situation, with 3 trolls as viking, and i decided just to restart the game and hope for mana spring or rage eater or someothing like that.
I think it's impossible to beat it no loss without mana regen or other helpful means like phisical or poison resist gears or call colossus..

The best i could think of is arranging your trolls in such a way that the one that hit the boss only get retaliated but never attacked by the boss in the same turn so that you won't need stone skin. But still there is the problem with the increasing number of the little spiders and moving of the boss.


Edit: Is it possible to heal the cyclopes? I think thay were unhealble in the previous versions.

[Youpiya]

I think it is doable. Xev did it, that gives me hope. Did you try to have Cyclops ? succeeding in the quest of the zombie woman gives you a Call Colossus spell !!

I travel all other the map, the best unit I had is Archidemon, I think with 4 jotuns + 3 archdemons + 3 trolls + my 100 manas (I upgraded a few items) + a good combination in combat, it is doable.

Now, true, you are Viking, not Soothsayer... My 100 manas are useful, your 100 rages are no use in the spider combat...
This is the 4th time I restart the game in impossible to have a total no loss, I knew the Viking sucked after playing 10 hours as it. I almost succeeded as a Skald, but the necromancer is nearly doable and I did not have the good scrolls...

Good luck anyway... Restarting totally after 150 fights, it is tough, because 150 fights is very long. I would have waited 1 or 2 month myself before restarting, in order to have the "fire". Moreover, in 1 or 2 months, the Archdemon power bug will be (I hope) corrected.

[Snow11]

Oh lol i didnt know that completing the zombie womam quest gives call colossus :o
I jumped on the spider before finishing all quests and mobs :rolleyes:
Still is it possible to heal the cyclopes? Anyway i have 0 mana regen as viking and only 45+ mana i dont think it's enouth to beat him with such strategy.
I'll try though with 5-6 trolls, may be it will work.

[ckdamascus]

Oh lol i didnt know that completing the zombie womam quest gives call colossus :o
I jumped on the spider before finishing all quests and mobs :rolleyes:
Still is it possible to heal the cyclopes? Anyway i have 0 mana regen as viking and only 45+ mana i dont think it's enouth to beat him with such strategy.
I'll try though with 5-6 trolls, may be it will work.

In my 2 playthroughs, the zombie woman quest only gave me a... [drum roll] leather shield.

I'm not sure how I got my Call Colossus scroll though. I "think" I found it in combat (that's the only way you can find an item that you wouldn't normally spot with the scanner).

Not to mention, I don't think you can get Wanderer scrolls besides getting a duplicate map (which happens after the 4 viking islands I think?) or in combat (get those chests and hope for a wanderer scroll!).

Viking/Warrior doesn't suck. It is a much harder beginning though since you can only use scrolls.

You need a few call of nature scrolls to no loss ahriman. Ironically, I no lossed the spider with Viking/Warrior not the Soothsayer/Mage. :)

You clearly haven't seen how much damage a Viking/Warrior can do thanks to the buff they get for critical hit damage. :) Although mage spell nuke has been buffed too. Maybe I will continue my Viking/Warrior as I beat the game prematurely at level 55 or so.

[Youpiya]

The zombie woman gives the shield, but finishing the quest (after killing the devil fish and returning the woman to the lighthouse) gives the Call Colossus scroll. I do not think the quests rewards are randomized... Are they ???

For the wanderer scrolls, indeed it is in combat and it happens one times before finishing the 4 viking islands when delivering runwald (I had a flaming eye).

I know the Viking does not suck, it is just that I found it very less fun than skald or soothsayer. But indeed, I did not go far enough to have a clear idea. And as soon as I totally no loss with soothsayer, I may try a Viking ;)
Not only Ahriman, it is the necromancer which is also tough... In my Viking game, Ahriman were beaten in 2 turns very easily without loss but the necromancer were way way too strong... Even with 3 call of nature scrolls...

[ckdamascus]

The zombie woman gives the shield, but finishing the quest (after killing the devil fish and returning the woman to the lighthouse) gives the Call Colossus scroll. I do not think the quests rewards are randomized... Are they ???

For the wanderer scrolls, indeed it is in combat and it happens one times before finishing the 4 viking islands when delivering runwald (I had a flaming eye).

I know the Viking does not suck, it is just that I found it very less fun than skald or soothsayer. But indeed, I did not go far enough to have a clear idea. And as soon as I totally no loss with soothsayer, I may try a Viking ;)
Not only Ahriman, it is the necromancer which is also tough... In my Viking game, Ahriman were beaten in 2 turns very easily without loss but the necromancer were way way too strong... Even with 3 call of nature scrolls...

Quest rewards are not randomized. However, did you get the Call Colossus scroll as a Soothsayer? I wonder if it is locked to your class; because I don't remember how I got mine and I did get it before the spider with my Soothsayer playthrough.

Fair enough (regarding Viking). Wow, two turns? How? I think the enemy hero mob sizes are randomized though, especially Ahriman and the Necromancer.

As food for thought, when I first fought Zal (the undead death knight guarding Rezo) with a Viking, I was fighting HUGE stacks of necromancers.

When I played as Soothsayer, it was nothing. However, one of the undead units on the beach had like 2x 9K skeleton stacks. ?!?!?

[Snow11]

I finished the Ulrika quest but no call colossus scroll, only some shield and when i bring her to the lighthouse i got nothing either.
I guess i'll start from the beggining.

I play as viking becouse i like to use the rage abilities and also i finished crosswords with no loss impossible as mage and i got tired of so many spells. :grin: I need something different before i try as mage again.

As for the bosses on the first isle it depends how much leadership thay have as it can be 2x difference. On my first try i killed the one outside the cave but the one inside was insane with like 40+ archers + 2 stacks of 50 skeletons + the other units.
On my second run tho thay both were weak and doable with few scrolls.

[Youpiya]

I beated 5 big packs of skeletons with 1/1/1 Soothsayer + Axe Thrower + Slingers and with Call of Nature lvl 2.

But it was about 2x300 + 3x300, not 2x 900, wow, impossible for this amount !

The thing is, when I beated Ahriman and the necromancer as a Soothsayer without loss, I did not beated all the troops on the first island, I came back later to clean the island ;)

[Youpiya]

I finished the Ulrika quest but no call colossus scroll, only some shield and when i bring her to the lighthouse i got nothing either.
I guess i'll start from the beggining.

I play as viking becouse i like to use the rage abilities and also i finished crosswords with no loss impossible as mage and i got tired of so many spells. :grin: I need something different before i try as mage again.

As for the bosses on the first isle it depends how much leadership thay have as it can be 2x difference. On my first try i killed the one outside the cave but the one inside was insane with like 40+ archers + 2 stacks of 50 skeletons + the other units.
On my second run tho thay both were weak and doable with few scrolls.

There are many changes from AP/CW in magic spells, Rune magic seems pretty fun.

For ahriman and the necro, yeah it seems so as I read a lot on it.

[Youpiya]

Print Screen (http://postimage.org/image/zf8wv0aap/)

May be the Call Colossus spell is only for Soothsayer, it is really possible !

[Youpiya]

Youhouhouuuuuuuuu !

4 Giants, 3 Trolls, 4 Jotuns !!!!!
I'm HAPPY, NO LOSS POWAAAAAAAA.

Now I can sleep.

[ckdamascus]

Youhouhouuuuuuuuu !

4 Giants, 3 Trolls, 4 Jotuns !!!!!
I'm HAPPY, NO LOSS POWAAAAAAAA.

Now I can sleep.

Congrats! :) I'm surprised you won with giants? I guess as long as you get to them to the right corner it doesn't matter?

[Xev]

Print Screen (http://postimage.org/image/zf8wv0aap/)

May be the Call Colossus spell is only for Soothsayer, it is really possible !

I got Flaming Eyes with my Soothsayer. Will be random.

[Xev]

Youhouhouuuuuuuuu !

4 Giants, 3 Trolls, 4 Jotuns !!!!!
I'm HAPPY, NO LOSS POWAAAAAAAA.

Now I can sleep.

Congratz!
I knew you will find a way ;)
Without attacking spider stacks or were the giants active?

[Youpiya]

Giants have good defense and make 1K attack on the spider, and with hilda's inspiration he has 2 speed points. He took the place of what xev called the "boss troll". I NEVER attacked the small spiders, just attcked the big if it is close or I took defense position. A lot of stone skin and heal (not for trolls) on the 3, and the 3 are trying to attack the spider.
2 call of nature lvl3 in order to attract spiders + attacking the spider, but only when the spider has 12/15K left. Otherwise they die too soon...
Tx a lot for your help to all of you !!!

[Snow11]

Congrats for your victory Youpiya! :)

[goldenpath]

You are one heck of a hardcore KB player Youpiya :)

grats