how about restricted fuel?

[raaaid]

did pilots go at real life at full throtle to avoid someone locking in his six?

how about the server limiting fuel?

[ATAG_Doc]

I do not understand what you wrote. Do pilots go full throttle when someone is their tail? Is that the question?

[bongodriver]

He's trolling, he knows what he said is riddiculous and will start a debate.

By debate I mean some irritated responses followed by let's all love and hug raaaid responses all of which = attention for the loveable troll.

[raaaid]

i meant in real life people would save fuel for war reasons

in the game people go ALWAYS at full throtle which is safer and unrealistic

and yes i was intending to open a debate thats what forums are for

[Toni74]

in RL i would throttle down and let him pass.

but indeed it would be a interesting feature in some other aspect: bombing the enemie's fuel tanks mean that they will have less fuel to share to their pilots.

[raaaid]

i propose an online war in which ALL is centered about fuel:

truck, train and ship fuel supplies to be bombed to make the enemy run out of fuel

planes departing with 20% fuel trying to shoot the bombers who want to bomb the fuel supply :)

bongo i admitt in the past i was annoying, well in my favour i have to say i had to vent off the bizarrity of tv which i hardly wacth now combined with a problematic med i reduced drastically. SO i made up my mind to dont take advanatge of anonimity and just share in the forum what i would share with real life friends. I bet you already noticed a change of attitude in these late threads of mine, so all you like bongo just try to start a new page with me, i did

[Continu0]

Hi raaaid

Everything i can tell about it:

1. Not all people fly full throttle all the time. Especially flying in formation is easier with 80% throttle.

2. I think people fly full throttle because they want to get "there" as fast as they can, not because they are safer.

3. At least in the BoB, not petrol was the limiting factor but skilled pilots (at least on the english side). From a book about the Staffel of Helmut Wick I remember that he actually was flying full throttle most of the time and his men had problems to keep up with him.

4. Probably the more important reason to throttle back was to save "engines". I remember reading about 109 engines and that their lifetime could be more than doubled if crusing speed was limited to 300km/h.

But I have to agree with you, such a simulated system with limited ressources would be great... not only fuel but also planes or tanks/infantery could be limited... With a system like that you get a hughe step closer to an "online war".

S!

[Friendly_flyer]

Saving fuel (rationing) was mostly a civilian phenomenon, to secure adequate fuel supply for the military forces.

[swiss]

i meant in real life people would save fuel for war reasons


No.
There was an interview with a La pilot who stated he made sure he was always flying at >=400kph to be save, and neither he or his supervisors did give a damn.


in the game people go ALWAYS at full throtle which is safer and unrealistic

No. Maybe you do.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Fuel management was an important skill for pilots and part of their flight training.

The application of those skills depends on the supply of available fuel, The distances or duration that the pilots had to fly in the missons and they types of sortie they we participating in.

In our game fuel is unlimited, distances are relatively short and we don't have to patrol a set area for hours on end.

Raaaid is right. If the missions had realistic parameters, then pilots in game would fly in a more historically correct mannor.

Unfortuantely not everyone would want to fly in missions like that and Flying around at full throttle makes for a fun exciting action packed mission!

As a case in point on the 2nd May 1943 the RAAF fought a prolonged dogfight with the Japanese near Darwin. 5 of the 13 Spitfires lost was due to fuel starvation. After this encounter they stoped dog fighting and changed tactics to boom and zooming the enemy.

Cheers!

[Troll2k]

I am not sure about limiting fuel but I have seen maps that have a starting amount of planes and pilots.When either of those were all gone that side lost.

This instilled a desire to survive and return to base instead of Kamakaze type flying and bailing out.

[Skoshi Tiger]

I am not sure about limiting fuel but I have seen maps that have a starting amount of planes and pilots.When either of those were all gone that side lost.

This instilled a desire to survive and return to base instead of Kamakaze type flying and bailing out.

Good point,

My combat skills are fairly weak so most of my sense of accomplishment in these CFS's comes from getting that badly damaged plane accross the threshold and putting her down on a friendly airfield!

[klem]

did pilots go at real life at full throtle to avoid someone locking in his six?

how about the server limiting fuel?


Of course real life pilots did not fly on full throttle all the time. It would have been impossible to maintain formation, engines would become unnecessarily hot, engine overhaul time might have been compromised and fuel would be consumed too quickly.

I assume your are using CEM or the question is pointless.
If you are using CEM fuel will be used more quickly so again the question is pointless.

And there is more to avoiding someone on your six than using full throttle.

The term 'locking on' suggests you are flying arcade settings using devices like 'Lock On To Target' so again the question is pointless. You can play with whatever you like in arcade settings and create whatever illusion of air combat you wish.

[Damixu]

In principal the limiting the fuel is very right and according to the historical limits. For example Messerschmitt 109 E's were able only to dogfight over Britain maximum of 15 minutes because risk running out of fuel.

Due the state of this game right now, I don't endorse any restirctions and hinderance of gameplay right now. Maybe sometimes upcoming years we will have this Battle of Britain simulator and there are time and place to enforce each plane limitations in terms of range.

And if we are talking about historical maps at full scale like this is already, naturally the fuel will run out very soon on german side on Battle of Britain scenario.

[ATAG_Doc]

You'd have a single leader responsible for getting his flight up off the ground. Many planes. Circling and forming up. That took a lot longer than your average Joe who wants to just get some trigger time before dinner is served in 10 minutes.

They'd have to climb ans climb and wait for the bombers they escorted.

They used all the fuel they had to in order to perform the job.

The result was they could only spend a few minutes over London because of all that plus their equipment limitations.

It wasn't just stick a new slice of gum in your mouth and fire up the PC. It was a lot of work especially for flight leaders who often insisted on being the first up and last to land.

We gamers do not appreciate nor comprehend the enormity of the task that we use to play this game.

[Roblex]

I assume you must all be LW flyers as anyone flying a Spit Or Hurri or Blenheim would break their engines if they ran at full throttle for any length of time with CEM. I will admit I will adjust my prop pitch for max speed at a safe level of boost when expecting combat as Energy is so important in a fight.