Ati 4850

[Zoom2136]

Anybody tried this card with iL2... I'm looking to buy a pair of 4870 when they come out and was wondering if the drivers worked good with iL2... I've heard that the 3870 had stuttering issues (not sure if it was fixed though).

Thanks guys,

[Feuerfalke]

Good question. I'm considering going for AMD/ATI again, too. From what I heard the latest drivers fixed a lot of issues and gave an enormous performance-boost in many games. (IIRC 39% for CoD4 for 3xxx cards)

[crazyivan1970]

Anybody tried this card with iL2... I'm looking to buy a pair of 4870 when they come out and was wondering if the drivers worked good with iL2... I've heard that the 3870 had stuttering issues (not sure if it was fixed though).

Thanks guys,


Running 3870X2 here since the day it was released, never seen any stuttering or other negative effects. Performance of late ATI cards is fantastic IMO...and picture quality is FAR superior to nVidia (ducking :)) in my opinion, of course.

[Feuerfalke]

I know we will be in flames, soon, but I totally agree with you, crazyivan1970.

When I switched from my old trusty 9800pro to the nVidia 6800GT I was honestly shocked how poor the rendering was. They have improved in terms of image-quality 2D and 3D over the last models, but it's still far behind AMD/ATI. To bad image quality isn't judged in any of the official benchmarks, because simple FPS is not everything... :rolleyes:

[crazyivan1970]

I got your back on this mate... Now lets dig some trenches... :D

[JG27CaptStubing]

No... You guys are spot on in terms of Nvidia.. I switched from my trusty ATI to the 1950 Pro to two 8800GTs in SLI and haven't really looked back. With the 7 series and below the ATI had much better looking IQ. With the 8800s and above Nvidia finally got it right.

Now just to give some feedback. As of late I get a pulsing studder with my SLI setup in IL2 with all the eyecandy on 8Xaa and 16XAF but the frame rates make up for this weird studder effect. What is strange is I think a driver broke it because I never had the problem with earlier revs of their drivers.

Also I haven't tried the new DLLs either so I don't know whos at fault here but I mostly blame Nvidia.

In terms of other games these two cards have been pretty much flawless. The performance is better than the new 280 and clearly its about 300 bucks cheaper.

I'm really glad ATI stepped up to the plate with the 4000 series. It will force Nividia to get their act together. They've been living high on the horse for over 2 years now with their 8800 cards. Great cards but at a very high cost.

[GF_Mastiff]

Well I for one still don't see any improvements with ATI and open GL especialy with the new 8.6 drivers, I run ATI HD 3650s 512mb Sapphire Crossfire X set up and I had to go back to 8.4 drvrs. NVIDA has out done open-GL far more superior.

[BAXTER STOCKMAN]

I agree that Nvdia cards are much better than ati cards. I never had a ati card. I bought my first computer when i was 7 years old and it had a 256 color nvdia card. The second computer was a p4 1,3 ghz with 32mb nvdia tnt2. After that i bought a Athlon 2200 with a geforce 5700, but one day the card burned down so i went to the 6600. My second computer was AthlonX2 4400 with a 7900gt but it burned down after a year so i bought a 8600gt in july of 2007. And in january of 008 i sold the 8600 for 80 euros and i bought my super powerful 8800gt 512mb. The graphics are realy perfect with this card.

[robtek]

@Baxter Stockman

it´s very difficult to take someone serious who makes a decision knowing only one side.

[|ZUTI|]

Friend of mine got his 4850 radeon on saturday last week and he is able to run IL2 with no problems at all.

PS: why are you all posting in here if you have somewhat nothing to say regarding 3850 and IL2? Why? Why don't you just move along?

[Kira]

I agree that Nvdia cards are much better than ati cards. I never had a ati card.

Haha

[Feuerfalke]

@Baxter Stockman

it´s very difficult to take someone serious who makes a decision knowing only one side.

I was about to write something similar, just with more LOLs & ROFLOLs. :grin:

[Bodkin]

I've always observed in any of the ATI cards that I've owned that the graphic rendering was superior to any of the NVidia cards I bought. (IMHO)

My decision to finally stay away from ATI was that every one of those cards failed within one year. It cost me more to ship them back and received someone elses used card that also failed was far to expensive for me and also created a non-confidence issue in their product.

Cheers

[BAXTER STOCKMAN]

I never had a ati card but a friend of mine has a ati 9550 and he can not run crysis, spiderwick chronicles, Timeshift Jericho and some other games when i with my 8800gtcan run them perfectly! I will post some screenhots of my games taken with 8800 on max settings just to show you that Nvdia is better!!

[Feuerfalke]

I never had a ati card but a friend of mine has a ati 9550 and he can not run crysis, spiderwick chronicles, Timeshift Jericho and some other games when i with my 8800gtcan run them perfectly! I will post some screenhots of my games taken with 8800 on max settings just to show you that Nvdia is better!!

You mean that this normally passively cooled absolutely low end AGP-Graphics-card with 128MB regular Memory and the old R370 chip from 2004 is really slower than a high end PCI-E 8800GT with 512MB DDR2 RAM from 2007?

Yeah, you are right. It really shows you something: That people who look at labels are pretty much blind for reality. :rolleyes:

[BuRNeR]

lol
a ati 9550 was a low budget card like the nv fx5200/5500. and believe me, the nv 5200/5500 sux much more. and if you never owned a ati then shut up . the 8800 gt comes 3 generations later and was a upper midrange card. sorry, but your compares were more then silly.
i owned ati and nvidia cards and i had more problems with my last nvidiacard then to my aticards before.
a good friend is a hardcore hardware freak and he tested much more then many magazines.
he got now the ati 4750 and is very happy now about it. for this price you got enough power for all games in big resolutions. btw. he is using a tripplehead2go and got no problems with qualitysettings. and he pushed his old 3850 to 1 ghz on the gpu :D he was still able to play games with it ;)

[Feuerfalke]

Let me post some shots for you, Baxter:

http://www.pc-erfahrung.de/fileadmin/Grafikchips/radeon_9550_01.jpg
9550 upgraded edition with 256MB RAM for 39 Euros. (Release-Price around 90Euros)

http://www.techzine.nl/uploaded/46755_543ecd47.jpg
8800GT in the front, a comparable card to the 9550 in the upper left. Costs 140 Euros (about 250 Euros when it was released)

[BAXTER STOCKMAN]

lol
a ati 9550 was a low budget card like the nv fx5200/5500. and believe me, the nv 5200/5500 sux much more. and if you never owned a ati then shut up . the 8800 gt comes 3 generations later and was a upper midrange card. sorry, but your compares were more then silly.
i owned ati and nvidia cards and i had more problems with my last nvidiacard then to my aticards before.
a good friend is a hardcore hardware freak and he tested much more then many magazines.
he got now the ati 4750 and is very happy now about it. for this price you got enough power for all games in big resolutions. btw. he is using a tripplehead2go and got no problems with qualitysettings. and he pushed his old 3850 to 1 ghz on the gpu :D he was still able to play games with it ;)

i dont have any problems with my 8800gt because i can run all games at max settings in 1280x1024 without any problems. But i had some problems with my old 8600/ 7900 cards. And yes my friend has the 9550 agp version and he can not run almost any game. I have the GAINWARD 8800GT 512MB GOLDEN SAMPLE version 670mhz core and 1800 mhz memory. I can not overclock it becuase my comptuter is getting very hot in the summer and sometimes it shutdowns even with no overclock.

[Feuerfalke]

And how does this show us, that nVidia is better? :confused:

Since you posted your frequencies:
ATI 9550 GPU: 250 MHz
ATI 9550 Memory: 200MHz


The 9550 is something very useful for running Office, nothing else. Even when it was released. That has nothing to do with ATI-Quality, though, or giving a reasonable basis to say that Crysis doesn't run with ATI-cards.

[BAXTER STOCKMAN]

When Doom3 was released in 2004 i had a athlon 2200+ 512mb ram and a 5700 128 mb. I was able to run it at medium settings 640x480 but when i try to run it at high settings 800x600 it was slow like hell . a few months after the release of Doom3 my friend bought a athlon 300+ with 512mb ram and 9550 and he was able to run doom3 in high quality 800x600 at 60 fps. A year after i bough my athlon x2 4400+ 1gb ram ddr 400 7900gt 512mb. And i had much more pefomance and better graphics in games than him. I was able to run Tomb Raider Legend with Next Gen graphics at almost full speed(they were a few slowdowns sometimes) but in his system next gen graphics were disabled. After a year in july of 2007, my 7900gt broke down due to heat problems so i went to the 8600 gt that was a piece of crap. And finaly this january i sold the 8600 gt for 80 euros and i bough the 8800gt for 160 euros( the delete 80 euros from the price of the 8800gt because i sold them the 8600)

[4S_Nero]

Here you can read a good rewiev of ATI 4850/4870: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1481/1/page_1_introduction/index.html

In PT Boats, a game of 1C, Nvidia cards runs better. Seems this game optimised for Nvidia. Will be the same for Storm of War?

4S_Nero

[Feuerfalke]

Thanks for posting that test.

I think your question resulting from the test is also a good example how many people think: If I get more FPS with this card in this game, then it must be better.

Or even better: The game was optimized for this card.

To be honest, most of the time it is the exact other way. Drivers are optimized for games, especially to benchmark games, because they know exactly, that there are many people who just think just like what you just posted. nVidia is renown or better hated for that tactics by fans and enemies alike, because this advantage in speed comes with the price of a lack in quality of the rendering, especially in texture-filters and texturing of objects over distances.

The problem is, maximum FramesPerSecond is not the only important thing about graphics, as it says nothing about the rendering quality, stability of FPS and even less about the hardware used.

[4S_Nero]

I know my question may seem superficial or stupid but my ignorance about video card is big. I need only some help because i need to buy a new video card. Now i play IL2 with ATI1950 pro 512 ;)

[Feuerfalke]

I know my question may seem superficial or stupid but my ignorance about video card is big. I need only some help because i need to buy a new video card. Now i play IL2 with ATI1950 pro 512 ;)

It's a pretty common opinion, nothing else, and I perfectly understand it.

I don't need to get a new gfx-card, honestly, but considering the bang for the money and the upcoming games (BlackShark and BoB) I consider getting an AMD/ATI HD4870. It's slightly slower than nVidias, but considerably cheaper than the nVidia-competitors and consumes less power, thus stays cooler.

I'll wait another few weeks probably, until both start fighting with even lower prices. ;)

[4S_Nero]

It's a pretty common opinion, nothing else, and I perfectly understand it.

I don't need to get a new gfx-card, honestly, but considering the bang for the money and the upcoming games (BlackShark and BoB) I consider getting an AMD/ATI HD4870. It's slightly slower than nVidias, but considerably cheaper than the nVidia-competitors and consumes less power, thus stays cooler.

I'll wait another few weeks probably, until both start fighting with even lower prices. ;)


Me too :grin:

[Thunderbolt56]

For TODAY'S games, either camp will do/run them with high settings, good IQ and decent frames with relative ease. The NV8800GT/GTS cards are still fantastic bang for buck. They aren't as fast (in raw power) as the latest from Nvidia (GTX260/280) or ATI (4850/4870)but are still a great solution for most people in the single-card setups and even good solutions for those wanting to run SLI.

I have a single NV8800GTS 512 right now and have great IQ. I run 8xAA, 16xAF globally (though AF has little benefit for IL2) and rarely, if ever, go below 50 FPS and typically stay in the 70's at 1680x1050.

The true question should be: Which platform will run the next-gen games/sims with the best frames and the best IQ? There's no way to know that right now. Maddox has used NV cards for years in most of their pc's (according to interviews and readme files of the past) and likely will continue to do so (speculation) as long as NV stays on the front side of the performance curve.

I like the status of ATI these days and the release of the 4870 card is showing to be a great card with fantastic performance to price point.

I'm still leaning towards a GTX280 myself, but will wait until the price comes down. Perhaps one of the better cards right now is the GTX260 which is comparable in price to the ATI card with similar performance in some areas and even better in others.

Here are a few benchmark graphs from assorted (trusted) sites:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/4870vsgtx260.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/17131yk9.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/cod4_02.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/etqw_02.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/wic-1920-bar.jpg

and some links:
http://translate.google.fi/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tomshardware.com%2Fcn %2F398%2Cnews-398.html&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/powercolor_hd4850/7.htm

[BuRNeR]

i dont have any problems with my 8800gt because i can run all games at max settings in 1280x1024 without any problems. But i had some problems with my old 8600/ 7900 cards. And yes my friend has the 9550 agp version and he can not run almost any game. I have the GAINWARD 8800GT 512MB GOLDEN SAMPLE version 670mhz core and 1800 mhz memory. I can not overclock it becuase my comptuter is getting very hot in the summer and sometimes it shutdowns even with no overclock.

i don´t know what this means for you ?
the compared ati 9550 was an officecard and was not a gamercard. i had in these times an ati 9500pro which was middleclass but much faster then a 9550.
i´ve got no problem with someone who has no clue of hardware, but then don´t post some useless comments. if someone need help in this i will help.
btw. try to put some fans in your tower that can help to your overheating problem.

@4S_Nero

to the ati 4850/70:
the power for this price they is absolutly great. enough performance for every game today
but nobody can know what kind of card you need for storm of war. i think even oleg can´t tell it at this moment.
i would prefer the ati because the price is very good for the performance. but if you want about ~30% more power for ~200% more money, then you should buy the nv 280gtx.

the nv 260gtx is close to the 4870 form the performance but about 50€ more expensive (in germany).

[BAXTER STOCKMAN]

What kind of game is storm of war? i never heard about it.

[BAXTER STOCKMAN]

Here are the results of the F.E.A.R. F.E.AR. Exctraction point and F.E.A.R. PERSEUS MANDATE that i did on my system. (full settings 4xaa 1280x1024http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1340/fearnewrt4.jpg

[Tree_UK]

I build gaming rigs for a living, i have custom built hundreds of rigs to meet the customers requirements with all manner of SLI and Crossfire setups, I personally use 2 8800GTX cards in SLI and they are superb, however i have to say that i always thought that IL2 looked better on ATI cards regardless of performance they just simply seem to render IL2 better than Nvidia cards. I cannot really speak for any other games, but if ATi have produced a fast card with good drivers then i feel it will have the edge (looks wise) over Nvidia at this moment in time.

[Feuerfalke]

I always got to laugh about this "buying hardware for BoB".

Really, is anybody here, that plays IL2 still with the rig he got to run the original IL2 at optimum settings? Buying a rig that will be able to run BoB at full details for a decade is wishful thinking or a complete waste of money IMHO.

[TheFamilyMan]

I sure hope someone who has a 4850/4870 post there experiences running IL-2 with it. Specifically, how well does it handle the AA of distant coastlines and riverbanks with perfect settings? My only gripe with my new 8800gt is these details really twinkle due to faulty AA. I run a 19" TFT at 1280x1024, AAx16q, AFx8, SS transparent AA, full on IL-2 perfect setting. Other edges look fantastic, as does the overall IQ. BTW, I run 4.09b with the latest .dll's.

The thing about the ATI card that I once had that really pushed me to nvidia was ATI's driver/control panel software, which IMO sucked big time. I replaced it with a 7800gt (which went SLI about a year ago). The 8xS AA on the SLI gave very smooth coasts at any distance, though I was shocked to see how cruddy the IQ of it was compared to my new 8800gt. The only reason I didn't get a 3870 was its broken AA implementation. The 4800's fixes this and more; I'm a little bummed out I didn't wait for the 4800's to come out.

[Thunderbolt56]

Well, I'd also be interested to see IL2 results from someone running one of the GTX280's. I realize IL2's maximum potential can be had with a lesser card, but curious to see if it plays well with NV's newest offering.

My specs:

E6700 (@3.2)
2GB RAM (pc6400)
evga 8800GTS 512
X-Fi Platinum
Raptor 74GB (boot sector)
WD 300GB (data/games)

I have great performance in every game I've loaded but mostly play COD4, UT3, and IL2:46

[SmartDalek]

I'm running a 8500@ 4.2, 4870@880/1150, 24" Dell.

BD averages around 75, with 4AA, no flickering on coastlines and buildings/objects seem to popup just on edge of visibilty.

New system and IL2 install, maybe room for improvements once I've bitten the brave bug.

[Tree_UK]

I have always found that IL2 benefits more from CPU Power rather than Graphics power assuming that you already have a reasonable card, for example i got a big FPS increase from overclocking my Q6600 from 2.4Ghz to 3.6Ghz, yet when i went from one 8800GTX to 2 running in SLI i saw very little improvement in FPS.

[crazyivan1970]

I have always found that IL2 benefits more from CPU Power rather than Graphics power assuming that you already have a reasonable card, for example i got a big FPS increase from overclocking my Q6600 from 2.4Ghz to 3.6Ghz, yet when i went from one 8800GTX to 2 running in SLI i saw very little improvement in FPS.

That is very true, especially for the "low" frames... Video cards usually impact "high" frames and give you wrong impression that you got significant improvement, because average will be higher... but who cares about high frames... minimum FPS, that`s what really counts...

[13th Hsqn Protos]

This thread is full uninformed blithering Nvidiots.

[Feuerfalke]

I'm sure this comment will help.... :rolleyes:

[Tree_UK]

... but who cares about high frames... minimum FPS, that`s what really counts...

Absolutely!

[SmartDalek]

I think what Tree UK said about IL2 benefitting from a decent CPU clock speed holds weight, noticed more decrease in fps downclocking the CPU than doing the same on the GPU.

I also agree it's the minimum fps that really counts, not using fraps at the moment, just the inbuilt counter in ATI TrayTools, so not sure how accurate, where bd never dips under 40. 1900 x 1200 res.

[VMF-214_HaVoK]

ATI is officially back in the race with the 4850 and 4870 and the pricing is terrific. I will soon be picking one up for myself.

Here is two good reviews. All be sure to view the customer reviews over at newegg.com.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-ati-radeon-hd-4850-review-force-3d--powercolor/

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-4870-review--asus/

S!

[SmartDalek]

Cheapest price here in Au for a 280 is $730 as against $320 for a 4870.

Opens up how a pair in CF would perform, although I think for most people this would be overkill for IL2, unless you're running a 30" monitor.

[Thunderbolt56]

Well, there will, no doubt, still be a refresh of both the NV and ATI offerings before any of the sims on my watch-list come to fruition. Accordingly, I'll stick with my current card (8800GTS 512) at least until one or more of them are reported to have gone gold. Then I'll buy or build again.


TB

[Feuerfalke]

Wow, the 4870 with 512MB DDR5 Memory is available for 200 Euros, now. :cool:

[Thunderbolt56]

Here are some more comparison charts from Anandtech:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/17129.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/17130.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/17131.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/17132.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/17133.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/17134.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/17135.png

[Feuerfalke]

http://images.gamestar.de/images/idgwpgsgp/bdb/1831707/800x600_prop.jpg

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_4850_4870_performance/images/cod41600.gif

Specifications

Unified Superscalar Shader Architecture

800 stream processing units
# Dynamic load balancing and resource allocation for vertex, geometry, and pixel shaders
# Common instruction set and texture unit access supported for all types of shaders
# Dedicated branch execution units and texture address processors
# 128-bit floating point precision for all operations
# Command processor for reduced CPU overhead
# Up to 160 texture fetches per clock cycle
# Up to 128 textures per pixel
# DXTC and 3Dc+ texture compression
# High resolution texture support (up to 8192 x 8192)
# Physics processing support :cool:

[4S_Nero]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Diamond/HD_4870/

Mamma mia :grin:

[Thunderbolt56]

The price point comparison will surely win back many of the people ATI lost in the last 2 years. The 4870 at $399 compared to the GTX280 at $649 is almost a no-brainer. Especially when you consider the 8800 series runs all current games quite well as long as it's accompanied by adequate CPU power and the 4870 trounces the 8800 series on almost all fronts.

Heck, even the 9800GX2 is a screamer and $200 cheaper than the GTX280...for now.

[Tvrdi]

and ATI is how good in OpenGL? if you plan to buy GPU now and want to have a decent frames in BOB later....also 4850 has that awful cooler....so you must invest in better cooler....also it demands more power....

EDIT: ops it performs well in opengl (at least in Prey) according to this bench...its faster than 8800GTS 512

http://www.interijernet.hr/foto.php?id=29&rbr=243&idrf=96428

still...it has awful cooler and demands more power (compared to the 8800gts512)

[Feuerfalke]

The difference in OpenGL-rendering is minimal between nVidia and ATI, if there is any left at all with the new generation.

And the cooler, well, the ATI consumes less power and produces less heat. So it can live with the cooler it has, whereas the G280 for example got a lot of remarks during tests, that the cooler is running at max and still barely able to keep it within temperature-tolerances.

[Tvrdi]

The difference in OpenGL-rendering is minimal between nVidia and ATI, if there is any left at all with the new generation.

And the cooler, well, the ATI consumes less power and produces less heat. So it can live with the cooler it has, whereas the G280 for example got a lot of remarks during tests, that the cooler is running at max and still barely able to keep it within temperature-tolerances.

it is even better in opengl than 9800GTX (8800GTS 512)

http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=3338

but demands more power...

[Feuerfalke]

Ah, cool.

Thanks for the link.

I only read a report that mentioned the 4870 has a less noisy and more efficient, smaller cooler than the G280. Was it on Firingsquad? Dunno, if I have the time, I'll look it up.

[SmartDalek]

I can only speak from my experience at the moment, running a Gigabyte 4870, Cat 8.7 beta. IL2, even in busy conditions, doesn't drive it hard enough to fully kick in the fan, a world of difference from the 1950 I was previously using. Nor has it reached temps mentioned in reviews, seems to idle at 48c max out around 65c, this particular card has a cooler similar to a Vf-900 that probably accounts for the discrepancy.

I have to admit that I could've nabbed a 280 but the expense seemed wasteful with Display Port deemed iminent.

[dflc03]

Hello everybody!

I am new to both IL2, this forum and HD4850, and I would appreciate some help from you guys. I am running Il2 1946 with patch 4.08m/4.09mb1, March 2008 dlls (I think) on a C2D E6600 @ 3.2 , 2 gb RAM, HD 4850 with 4800 Hotfix drivers, 19" 1280x1024 LCD. What settings should I use in ATI CCC and IL2 setup/conf to get both optimal play and nice graphics, if possible? Now I am using OGL, Max Settings, default conf.ini and I get some random freezes especially on 4.09 Slovakia map.

[schnorchel]

Running 3870X2 here since the day it was released, never seen any stuttering or other negative effects. Performance of late ATI cards is fantastic IMO...and picture quality is FAR superior to nVidia (ducking :)) in my opinion, of course.



hi Crazyivan, I have one thing very interested regarding the crossfire. Once I try to use 2 3850 to running il2 but I can no boost from CF. identical FPS to that on 1 card. besides when set to the CF I have no way to enable the vertical Synchronization to avoid the screen tearing.

[Chivas]

R700XT, HD4870 X2, 2GB GDDR5 ~$499....maybe available by this August. That price isn't final. It should be a great card for SOW if it comes out at the end of this year.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8279&Itemid=1

[GF_Mastiff]

Hello everybody!

I am new to both IL2, this forum and HD4850, and I would appreciate some help from you guys. I am running Il2 1946 with patch 4.08m/4.09mb1, March 2008 dlls (I think) on a C2D E6600 @ 3.2 , 2 gb RAM, HD 4850 with 4800 Hotfix drivers, 19" 1280x1024 LCD. What settings should I use in ATI CCC and IL2 setup/conf to get both optimal play and nice graphics, if possible? Now I am using OGL, Max Settings, default conf.ini and I get some random freezes especially on 4.09 Slovakia map.


Try turning the Aanisotropic Filtering to 8x and the Anti Aliasing 8x it increased my FPS to 1000 max avrg 70 on IL2

[dflc03]

It keeps freezing and it displays a strange colour dissipation effect similar to motor oil on water. Probably the ATI drivers are not mature yet. With previous X1950 Pro card did not have these problems.

[Feuerfalke]

What water-setting do you have and what other settings in the ini-files? Are you sure you run the game with 32 bit color-depth? It would help us to determine what the problem is, if you post your settings listed under "[Render_OpenGL]" from your conf.ini-file.

If somebody has the same card you have, but no such problems, it's likely your settings rather than the drivers.

Besides that: Did you deinstall and reinstall drivers after switching your cards?

[GF_Mastiff]

It keeps freezing and it displays a strange colour dissipation effect similar to motor oil on water. Probably the ATI drivers are not mature yet. With previous X1950 Pro card did not have these problems.

Make sure you uninstall the drivers and do a driver sweep

Get the tools from Guru3d.com
also might want to try the 8.7 beta drivers over there too.

http://downloads.guru3d.com/

[dflc03]

I uninstalled the old 8.1 cat drivers using the ATI Uninstall Utility, then installed the latest drivers. I may give it a try with 8.7 beta, thanks a lot for the link.
I will also post some of my conf.ini settings.

[SmartDalek]

Just learnt a tweak to control the idle temps, heard it's toasty on the stock units.

If you make a profile in catalyst after turning on Overdrive( make sure clock and memory settings are correct). You can then go to the file "C:\Users\your computer name\AppData\Local\ATI\ACE\your computer name. XML. the xml file will have the same name as the catalyst profile you saved. right click and hit edit.

<Feature name="FanSpeedAlgorithm_0">
<Property name="FanSpeedAlgorithm" value="Manual" />
</Feature>
<Feature name="FanSpeedRPMTarget_0">
<Property name="Want" value="0" />
</Feature>
<Feature name="FanSpeedPercentTarget_0">
<Property name="Want" value="65" />

Change the value to "manual" and Want value to "65" (% of fan speed)

Save the file then reload your profile in catalyst.

For fellow XP'ers it's under C:\Documents and Settings\"your computer name"\Local Settings\Application Data\ATI\ACE\Profiles.xml

Knocked 10 degrees off idle and 5 off load on here.

[Zoom2136]

Wow did not realized that this would start a NVIDIA vs ATI debate but well...

I used to have an ATI850XT prior to buying a pair of BGF 7900GTX OC cards (on sale BTW). Like most I saw a reduction in picture quality when going to NVIDIA. I now have flicquering that I did not have before. Could be an SLI thing, I'm just not that familiar with NVIDIA's cards. My previous ATI card had no problem running iL2 under open GL and gave a great image (no flickering costline/runways/invisable roads)... Also spotting planes was a lot easier... we all know how this is important LOL

I was thinking of going back to a single 4870 for now and buying a second in the future. So going with a single card could eliminate a lot of the SLI (or Crossfire) related stuff...

I know that this sim is VERY CPU intensive. Hell an OC of 0.2 will give you about 10% more FPS... So to all of you out there overclock those #$%?&*. Mine is overclock up to wasooo as it only have to live for about 6-8 months (new Intel chips are coming with the X58 platform).

So what is it GOOD with iL2 or NOT... its the ONLY game that I play.

[dflc03]

As said before - my settings, probably wrong for HD4850

[Render_OpenGL]
TexQual=3
TexMipFilter=3
TexCompress=0
TexFlags.UseDither=1
TexFlags.UseAlpha=0
TexFlags.UseIndex=0
TexFlags.PolygonStipple=1
TexFlags.UseClampedSprites=0
TexFlags.DrawLandByTriangles=1
TexFlags.UseVertexArrays=1
TexFlags.DisableAPIExtensions=0
TexFlags.ARBMultitextureExt=1
TexFlags.TexEnvCombineExt=1
TexFlags.SecondaryColorExt=1
TexFlags.VertexArrayExt=1
TexFlags.ClipHintExt=0
TexFlags.UsePaletteExt=0
TexFlags.TexAnisotropicExt=1
TexFlags.TexCompressARBExt=1

TexFlags.TexEnvCombine4NV=0
TexFlags.TexEnvCombineDot3=1
TexFlags.DepthClampNV=0
TexFlags.SeparateSpecular=1
TexFlags.TextureShaderNV=0

HardwareShaders=1

Shadows=2
Specular=2
SpecularLight=2
DiffuseLight=2
DynamicalLights=1
MeshDetail=2
VisibilityDistance=3

Sky=2
Forest=2
LandShading=3
LandDetails=2

LandGeom=2
TexLarge=1
TexLandQual=3
TexLandLarge=1

VideoSetupId=8
Water=2
Effects=2
ForceShaders1x=0

PolygonOffsetFactor=-0.0625
PolygonOffsetUnits=-1.0

[SmartDalek]

Very similar config to mine dflc03, not sure if this might help but try changing all the entries with "NV" to a value of 1 eg:

TexFlags.TextureShaderNV=0

TexFlags.TextureShaderNV=1

Think the zero value is specific to nvidea cards.

[robtek]

@smartDalek

"Think the zero value is specific to nvidea cards."

there you got it wrong, matey.

You set 1 if there IS a nvidia-card installed.

[SmartDalek]

My mistake robtek, thx for the correction.

Have it at 1 on this rig, thought I'd reset it, apparantly not.

Knew I changed values on the old rig but so long ago I forgot which value.

[dflc03]

So, basically the settings are right and the overall result is wrong :confused:

[SmartDalek]

dflc03 have you tried going into il2 setup and resetting the the vid cards preferences?, maybe it might cure the problem by choosing a more appropriate setting, fwiw I chose max settings and no probs here.

[dflc03]

I am on max settings...and a world of trouble. Tried also the 3XXX settings, nothing better

[GF_Mastiff]

open the IL2setup.exe and try choosing the ATI x9xxx settings if that doesn't work try down loading the 4.09 dll files and try those
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=2839

also make sure your not running the CCC with the Advanced AI settings on too.

[x__CRASH__x]

What kind of game is storm of war? i never heard about it.
Surprising, since it's talked about in close to every thread on this board. :rolleyes:

Anyway, it's 1C's next big flight sim. It will be out in two weeks, so go wait in line now.

When you get it, please make sure you compare how it runs with your Nvidea 8800GT in comparison to an ATI 9600. I want to make sure that nVidea remains the best ever.

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

Surprising, since it's talked about in close to every thread on this board. :rolleyes:

Anyway, it's 1C's next big flight sim. It will be out in two weeks, so go wait in line now.

When you get it, please make sure you compare how it runs with your Nvidea 8800GT in comparison to an ATI 9600. I want to make sure that nVidea remains the best ever.

You don't have time to answer the advice people gave you in your own thread but you can dig up a post from 5 pages back on this one and make odd, if not asinine comments like this?

[GF_Mastiff]

also make sure your not running force Z24bit in the open GL settings.

[Feuerfalke]

You don't have time to answer the advice people gave you in your own thread but you can dig up a post from 5 pages back on this one and make odd, if not asinine comments like this?

If this was the first post like that from BAXTER STOCKMAN, I'd possibly agree with you. The way things are, I got to say that Crash is right and your complain isn't a bit better than what you complain about.

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

Wasn't aware BAXTER had a history, in that case, my bad.

[Thunderbolt56]

Youtube side by side comparison video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgaqtdfzATs&feature=user

[GF_Mastiff]

mmm It looks like the same resolution as my monitor lol.

[Tomik]

Back to the topic...

I'm new owner of this card and here is my setup:
CPU - Intel E6300@2.8
MB - Asus P5Q-E
RAM - 2x2GB Geil800CL5 BlackDragon
PSU - Corsair750W
VGA - MSI ATI HD4850
OS - Win Vista 64 bit
Drivers - ATI Catalyst 8.6 Hotfixed

PF settings - Perfect, Water2, Landgeometry3, Efects2, 1280x1024, 4xAA, 4xAF - Kamikaze02 track FPS Avg45, Max167, Min10
PF settings - Perfect, Water2, Landgeometry3, Efects2, 1280x1024, 8xAA, 8xAF - Kamikaze02 track FPS Avg41, Max153, Min9
PF settings - Perfect, Water2, Landgeometry3, Efects2, 1280x1024, 8xAA, 8xAF - TheBlackDeath track FPS Avg44, Max94, Min13

It seems, that this flight sim is quite CPU dependent..
When I was on stock CPU freq. (1.8GHz), FPS results in Kamikaze02 track were: Avg31, Max118, Min6

When I fly online (on UK3 Dedicated server) FPS are at average about 60-90.

[Thunderbolt56]

For this sim, even the current "midrange" cards (GTX260 and HD4850) provide great performance superior to anything previously available...including the 8800 series. You hit the nail on the head regarding this sim's CPU dependence and any improvement you can grab in that department through upgrades and/or overclocking will provide more performance than any GPU upgrade beyond the 8800 series.

[Zoom2136]

Back to the topic...

I'm new owner of this card and here is my setup:
CPU - Intel E6300@2.8
MB - Asus P5Q-E
RAM - 2x2GB Geil800CL5 BlackDragon
PSU - Corsair750W
VGA - MSI ATI HD4850
OS - Win Vista 64 bit
Drivers - ATI Catalyst 8.6 Hotfixed
PF settings - Perfect, Water2, Landgeometry3, Efects2, 1280x1024
4xAA, 4xAF
Kamikaze02 track FPS Avg45, Max167, Min10

It seems, that this flight sim is quite CPU dependent..
When I was on stock CPU freq. (1.8GHz), FPS results in Kamikaze02 track were:
Avg31, Max118, Min6

When I fly online (on UK3 Dedicated server) FPS are at average about 60-90.

Yes iL2 is VERY CPU intensive... a bump up of 0.2 in CPU speed will give you about 10% more FPS... so better to OC your CPU (or upgrade your CPU) then the graphic card... Finally we dont run this sim at very high resolution anyway... and high res are where these card shine....

[dflc03]

Back to the topic...

I'm new owner of this card and here is my setup:
CPU - Intel E6300@2.8
MB - Asus P5Q-E
RAM - 2x2GB Geil800CL5 BlackDragon
PSU - Corsair750W
VGA - MSI ATI HD4850
OS - Win Vista 64 bit
Drivers - ATI Catalyst 8.6 Hotfixed
PF settings - Perfect, Water2, Landgeometry3, Efects2, 1280x1024
4xAA, 4xAF
Kamikaze02 track FPS Avg45, Max167, Min10

It seems, that this flight sim is quite CPU dependent..
When I was on stock CPU freq. (1.8GHz), FPS results in Kamikaze02 track were:
Avg31, Max118, Min6

When I fly online (on UK3 Dedicated server) FPS are at average about 60-90.

You are OK for your hardware. With about the same system (the difference being my E6600 @ 3.2 Ghz) and same settings my minimum fps in the track you mentioned was 16.

[BAXTER STOCKMAN]

How well will IL2 run on my system?? Is the 8800 gt enough for IL2??

[Zoom2136]

How well will IL2 run on my system?? Is the 8800 gt enough for IL2??

Its more than enough

[GF_Mastiff]

How well will IL2 run on my system?? Is the 8800 gt enough for IL2??

you should have no problem at all

[JG27CaptStubing]

How well will IL2 run on my system?? Is the 8800 gt enough for IL2??

It depends on what resolution you want to run the game... If 1600 and below its plenty card. You might have to take down some of the AA and keep some AF but its a good card.

[apparition]

I know we will be in flames, soon, but I totally agree with you, crazyivan1970.

When I switched from my old trusty 9800pro to the nVidia 6800GT I was honestly shocked how poor the rendering was. They have improved in terms of image-quality 2D and 3D over the last models, but it's still far behind AMD/ATI. To bad image quality isn't judged in any of the official benchmarks, because simple FPS is not everything... :rolleyes:

I have to say i went to nVidia also and ive been less than impressed.my old 9800pro had a better image than then 7950gt i switched too.ill be going back to ati next build.my 9800pro is still doing great in my sons old dell now and it runs everything he,s playing just fine.probly one of the best cards ever made.

[BAXTER STOCKMAN]

How can this happen ??? The nvdia 7900 cards are faster than Radeon 9800 pro so how can the weaker 9800 pro have better graphics than the more powerful 7950gt?? Anyway i am pretty sure that my 8800gt has better image quality than a 9800 pro!!:):) Can you post some screenhots of games running with a ati card and some others screenhots of games running with nvdia card so we can make a comparission??

[Feuerfalke]

Frames Per Second does not equal image quality, Baxter.

Of course new cards can usually show more effects, as they are more powerful. For IL2 those cards are overkill, though. Remember, this game is 9 years old and even with the upgraded graphics, it touches the limits of your CPU much faster than those of your GPU.

The image quality shows in different aspects, though. For example: With the 8800 I have flickering textures in IL2, flickering smoke, with perfect mode and effects=2 the flak-clouds turn pink and the groundtexture moves around slightly, even when standing still on some map and mission combinations.

For LockOn, you see shimering beaches, even through the fog and the self-shadowing is crippled.


These things have nothing to do with visual effects of the game, that older graphics cards cannot show. It has rather something to do with image-quality-factors, that were accepted to push up the overall performance and frames per second.
From the marketing point of view, the masses of top-notch-brand-new-graphics-card-uses are not the few people who play IL2 or LockOn. Not even BF2 any longer, so there is no need for nVidia to fix these issues either.

[BAXTER STOCKMAN]

Yes there are a lot more important games than L2 For example i realy need a card like this to run Crysis ith max settings. And Crysis realy needs a card like 9800gx2 to run at max settings, dosent it? With my 8800gt i dont get more than 35 fps maximum in 1280x1024 very high settings. I never played IL2 and i dont know if i will because fps and action games in general are my main interest.

[Feuerfalke]

Yes there are a lot more important games than L2 For example i realy need a card like this to run Crysis ith max settings. And Crysis realy needs a card like 9800gx2 to run at max settings, dosent it? With my 8800gt i dont get more than 35 fps maximum in 1280x1024 very high settings. I never played IL2 and i dont know if i will because fps and action games in general are my main interest.

A 9800GX2 would help you less than you hope, I guess. Your CPU is not the fastest and I guess your memory isn't either. Both are very much used in Crysis. With 4Gig of RAM on a 64bit system, Crysis really starts to shine, especially the multiplayer-part.

A better gfx-card can give you higher maximum frames per second, but you will increase lags, stutters and delays. I play FPS-games a lot, too, and especially in multiplayer-games, a fast PC helps you more than fency graphics.

[BAXTER STOCKMAN]

I know that my cpu is not so fast.. I read in some others forum that people with core duo and 8800gt get more fps in crysis than i get with my Athlon X2. However most games work perfect on my machine so there is no need to upgrade it for now .

[Feuerfalke]

I know that my cpu is not so fast.. I read in some others forum that people with core duo and 8800gt get more fps in crysis than i get with my Athlon X2. However most games work perfect on my machine so there is no need to upgrade it for now .

That's correct. Your PC is fine. I just answered to the question if a 9800X2 will help you a lot and if you think about updating your machine with this card, my suggestion was to think about alternatives. That's all ;)

[Tomik]

Does anyone of you have this card in combination with two displays?

My previous card was NVIDIA one (7600GT AGP) and I didn't have any problems running IL-2 on my primary LCD and TS console (and other sw) on the second one.
Now I have the ATI 4850, second LCD set as Extended display and it's working perfectly in 2D. But when I run IL-2, second LCD become black.
Both are DVI connected.

I've found this happens only if IL-2 uses OpenGL provider (Opengl32.dll), when I switch to DX (dx8wrap.dll), everything is OK, except Perfect settings of course :mad:
Any idea how to solve this??

Another thing are the new ATI Catalyst drivers 8.7 - I have some purple flickering objects (ships), but previous drivers (the Hotfixed ones) are OK :confused:, so I went back to them..

[dflc03]

Another thing are the new ATI Catalyst drivers 8.7 - I have some purple flickering objects (ships), but previous drivers (the Hotfixed ones) are OK :confused:, so I went back to them..

Could you guys run F4F vs G4M track and see if you get some multi-color whirls in the scenes with lots of tracers and smoke?
Happened to me with both Hotfix and 8.7 final drivers :confused:

[Test-4-Echo]

I am using two 4850's in XFire and 1946 is running like butter. Running 4.08m with original DLL's.
The settings below seem to work well with either a single card or XFire.

I use a Mitsubishi 22" 2070SB CRT and a Samsung 22" 225BW (5ms GTG).

The CRT is breathtaking @ 1600 x 1200, 100 Hz (as fluid as things can be). The LCD is running smooth too 1680 x 1050, but motion blur is apparent, overall both are excellent. I am thinking of upgrading to 1900 x 1200.

If you ever get a chance to see 1946 on a CRT, it will knock your socks off. It is that good!

Asus P5Q-E
Q6600 @ 3.6 GHz
2 x 2 GB Mushkin 5-5-5-15 @ 1000 MHz
Raid 0
Vista x64 updated

1946 is maxed out running perfect mode. Game setup as follows:

1946 Graphics with Crossfire

8.7 driver

3D

AA: 4x manual
Adaptive AA disabled
AF: 8x manual (16 works fine)
Catalyst AI: Enabled
Mipmap: High Quality
VSync: Always On
Triple Buffering: On
Force 24: Off

Config file

[il2]
title=Il2-Sturmovik Forgotten Battles
hotkeys=HotKey game

[window]
width=1680
height=1050
ColourBits=32
DepthBits=24
StencilBits=8
ChangeScreenRes=1
FullScreen=1
DrawIfNotFocused=0
EnableResize=0
EnableClose=1
SaveAspect=0
Use3Renders=0

[GLPROVIDER]
GL=Opengl32.dll

[GLPROVIDERS]
Open GL=Opengl32.dll
DirectX=dx8wrap.dll

[NET]
speed=25000
routeChannels=0
serverChannels=31
localPort=21000
remotePort=21000
SkinDownload=1
serverName=No Name
serverDescription=
remoteHost=
localHost=
socksHost=
checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=0

[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime=10.0
nearMaxLagTime=2.0
cheaterWarningDelay=5.0
cheaterWarningNum=-1

[chat]
region=(dx=0.6925,dy=0.071666665,x=0.0,y=0.0)

[game]
Arcade=0
HighGore=0
mapPadX=0.6689453
mapPadY=-0.046875
viewSet=33
Intro=0
NoSubTitles=0
NoChatter=0
NoHudLog=0
NoLensFlare=0
iconTypes=3
eventlog=eventlog.lst
eventlogkeep=0
3dgunners=1


[HotKey game]
PrintScreen=ScreenShot
P=pause
Pause=pause

[HotKey gui]
Escape=activate

[HookViewFly Config]
timeFirstStep=2.0
deltaZ=10.0

[HookView]
MouseLeft=Len

[HookView Config]
AzimutSpeed=0.1
TangageSpeed=0.1
LenSpeed=1.0
MinLen=1.0
DefaultLen=20.0
MaxLen=3000.0
Speed=6

[HotKey builder]
MouseLeft=objectMove
MouseRight=popupmenu
Enter=freeView
Shift MouseLeft=worldZoom
Alt MouseLeft=select+
Alt MouseRight=select-
Alt Ctrl=unselect
PageDown=change+
PageUp=change-
End=change++
Home=change--
Ctrl MouseLeft=insert+
Insert=insert+
NumPad-0=insert+
F=fill
Ctrl MouseRight=delete+
NumPad.=delete+
Delete=delete+
Backspace=cursor
Tab=cursor
F10=land
F11=onLand
NumPad-=normalLand
NumPad+=toLand
NumPad-5=resetAngles
NumPad-8=resetTangage90
NumPad-7=stepAzimut-5
NumPad-4=stepAzimut-15
NumPad-1=stepAzimut-30
NumPad-9=stepAzimut5
NumPad-6=stepAzimut15
NumPad-3=stepAzimut30

[MouseXYZ]
F1=SpeedSlow
F2=SpeedNormal
F3=SpeedFast
MouseRight=XYmove
F4 MouseRight=Zmove
MouseMiddle=Amove
F5 MouseRight=Amove
F6 MouseRight=Tmove
F7 MouseRight=Kmove

[MouseXYZ Config]
RealTime=1

[HotKey Console]
Shift Tab=Activate
[Console]
HISTORY=1024
HISTORYCMD=1024
LOAD=console.cmd
SAVE=console.cmd
LOG=0
LOGTIME=0
LOGFILE=log.lst
LOGKEEP=0

[sound]
SoundUse=1
SoundEngine=1
Speakers=0
Placement=0
SoundFlags.reversestereo=0
RadioFlags.Enabled=1
RadioEngine=2
MusicVolume=10
ObjectVolume=10
MusState.takeoff=1
MusState.inflight=1
MusState.crash=1
MusFlags.play=0
MasterVolume=10
Attenuation=7
SoundMode=1
SamplingRate=2
NumChannels=2
SoundExt.occlusions=0
SoundFlags.hardware=0
SoundFlags.streams=1
SoundFlags.duplex=1
SoundExt.acoustics=0
SoundExt.volumefx=0
SoundFlags.voicemgr=0
SoundFlags.static=1
VoiceVolume=10
Channels=2
SoundExt.extrender=0
SoundFlags.bugscorrect=0
SoundSetupId=8
ActivationLevel=0.02
Preemphasis=0.85
RadioLatency=0.5
AGC=1
PTTMode=1
SoundFlags.UseRadioChatter=0
SoundFlags.AutoActivation=0
RadioFlags.PTTMode=0
RadioFlags.PlayClicks=0
ActLevel=0
MicLevel=0
SoundFlags.forceEAX1=0

[rts]
;ProcessAffinityMask=1
mouseUse=2
joyUse=1
trackIRUse=1
DisableIME=0
locale=

[rts_mouse]
SensitivityX=1.0
SensitivityY=1.0
Invert=0
SensitivityZ=1.0

[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=0
U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1Y=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1Z=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1X1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1Y1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1Z1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0

[Render_DirectX]
TexQual=3
TexMipFilter=2
TexCompress=0
TexFlags.UseDither=1
TexFlags.UseAlpha=0
TexFlags.UseIndex=0
TexFlags.PolygonStipple=1
TexFlags.UseClampedSprites=0
TexFlags.DrawLandByTriangles=1
TexFlags.UseVertexArrays=1
TexFlags.DisableAPIExtensions=0
TexFlags.ARBMultitextureExt=1
TexFlags.TexEnvCombineExt=1
TexFlags.SecondaryColorExt=1
TexFlags.VertexArrayExt=1
TexFlags.ClipHintExt=0
TexFlags.UsePaletteExt=0
TexFlags.TexAnisotropicExt=0
TexFlags.TexCompressARBExt=1
TexFlags.TexEnvCombine4NV=0
TexFlags.TexEnvCombineDot3=0
TexFlags.DepthClampNV=0
TexFlags.SeparateSpecular=0
TexFlags.TextureShaderNV=0

HardwareShaders=0

Shadows=2
Specular=2
SpecularLight=2
DiffuseLight=2
DynamicalLights=1
MeshDetail=2
VisibilityDistance=3

Sky=2
Forest=2
LandShading=3
LandDetails=2

LandGeom=2
TexLarge=1
TexLandQual=3
TexLandLarge=1

VideoSetupId=4
ForceShaders1x=0
PolygonOffsetFactor=-0.15
PolygonOffsetUnits=-3.0

[Render_OpenGL]
TexQual=3
TexMipFilter=2
TexCompress=0
TexFlags.UseDither=0
TexFlags.UseAlpha=0
TexFlags.UseIndex=0
TexFlags.PolygonStipple=0
TexFlags.UseClampedSprites=0
TexFlags.DrawLandByTriangles=1
TexFlags.UseVertexArrays=1
TexFlags.DisableAPIExtensions=0
TexFlags.ARBMultitextureExt=1
TexFlags.TexEnvCombineExt=1
TexFlags.SecondaryColorExt=1
TexFlags.VertexArrayExt=1
TexFlags.ClipHintExt=0
TexFlags.UsePaletteExt=0
TexFlags.TexAnisotropicExt=1
TexFlags.TexCompressARBExt=0

TexFlags.TexEnvCombine4NV=0
TexFlags.TexEnvCombineDot3=1
TexFlags.DepthClampNV=0
TexFlags.SeparateSpecular=1
TexFlags.TextureShaderNV=0

HardwareShaders=1

Shadows=2
Specular=2
SpecularLight=2
DiffuseLight=2
DynamicalLights=1
MeshDetail=2
VisibilityDistance=3

Sky=2
Forest=2
LandShading=3
LandDetails=2

LandGeom=2
TexLarge=1
TexLandQual=3
TexLandLarge=1

VideoSetupId=17
Water=1
Effects=1
ForceShaders1x=0
PolygonOffsetFactor=-0.0625
PolygonOffsetUnits=-1.0

[Tomik]

I can see from your setup Test-4-Echo you use OpenGL. Does your second monitor become black when you run IL-2 or can you see desktop on it?

I have the same mobo btw ;)

[Test-4-Echo]

Yes OpenGL. I have only been using one monitor at a time but will try what you are saying and report back. :grin:

[Tomik]

Could you guys run F4F vs G4M track and see if you get some multi-color whirls in the scenes with lots of tracers and smoke?
Happened to me with both Hotfix and 8.7 final drivers :confused:

What do you mean "multi-color whirls" do you have any screeshots?
I've just tried this track and only thing I could spot was some (I think green) glimmer, but it was almost invisible...
And my FPS in this track were Avg45, Max175, Min15

Sorry for my english...

[Test-4-Echo]

I can see from your setup Test-4-Echo you use OpenGL. Does your second monitor become black when you run IL-2 or can you see desktop on it?

I have the same mobo btw ;)

There is a signal to it, but yes, it becomes black (obviously in extended desktop)...works in clone though :rolleyes:

[Tomik]

Thx for testing it, but it's bad news :(
I know clone mode is OK, but I need to have TS and other consoles open while flying :confused:
I think waiting for new drivers is my hope...

[EAF92_Brigstock]

How does crossfire perform against a single card with the new 48xx series cards?

Over the last year I've had the opportunity to run a few different configurations.
E6800 @3.7 paired with (in order) 1x ATI1800XL, 2x NV8800 Ultra's, 2 xATI2900 1gig and finally a single NV8800GTX. Which I still run
My finding were that the Nvidia's had easily the most grunt when it comes to fps but the Ati's had the best IQ. In fact the only reason I ended up keeping the 8800GTX is because it out performed the 2900 in Crossfire in IL2, which is pretty much all I play. Which brings me back to the Crossfire question. I found that 2x2900 did not improve FPS over a single 2900. Benchies in IL2 would give the exact same results regardless of the configuration. Has this been addressed with the newer cards/drivers.

[Zoom2136]

I never played IL2 and i dont know if i will because fps and action games in general are my main interest.

Then why are you posting on this board?

[dflc03]

What do you mean "multi-color whirls" do you have any screeshots?
I've just tried this track and only thing I could spot was some (I think green) glimmer, but it was almost invisible...
And my FPS in this track were Avg45, Max175, Min15

Sorry for my english...

Sorry, I had them, but deleted when reinstalled. I went back to 8800GT, it works better without strange ray-like/whirl artifacts. As fps, with 4850 I was getting about the same as you, but now I get 95 avg, 350 max, 30 min in the above mentioned track, at 4x AA, perfect, etc. 19" LCD.

[Frog]

Hi!

I recently got myself a new system, E7200 (@3,16ghz), 4 gb RAM, HD4850, Vista 64.

With using the 1946 4.09b, beta DLLs, Cat 8.7 I get a reproducable crash in The Black Death track after running it for about a minute. Other tracks seem to run fine.

I suspect it's an issue with the still early Catalyst drivers which have been reported as not being stable with the 48xx-cards. Can anyone with a comparable system confirm this?

Thanx.

[Tomik]

I can confirm that crash, but I'm not sure if it was with 8.7 or 8.6 Fixed drivers and if it was in OpenGL or DirectX...
I can try it again today afternoon.

So just ran it with 8.6 Fixed drivers and no crash in The Black Death (tried both OpenGL and DirectX - so it seems like the latest drivers problem..)