Give up the whining

[RickRuski]

There are still a lot of posts about wanting this or that fixed. Stop wacking the dead horse people, Luthier stated that once the final patch was released to Steam that was it as far as C.o.D. was concerned. You can keep on complaining now as long as you want, if Luthier is going to keep his word on this (only he would know that), what you see now is what you get.

Try and work around your problems, if you can't, uninstal the sim then you won't have anything to complain about.

The next patch (once again if we can believe Luthier) will be called Battle for Moscow (or whatever)
If his statement about the final patch to Steam is valid you're not going to get anything else fixed till then.

[Luftrofl]

There are still a lot of posts about wanting this or that fixed. Stop wacking the dead horse people, Luthier stated that once the final patch was released to Steam that was it as far as C.o.D. was concerned. You can keep on complaining now as long as you want, if Luthier is going to keep his word on this (only he would know that), what you see now is what you get.

Try and work around your problems, if you can't, uninstal the sim then you won't have anything to complain about.

The next patch (once again if we can believe Luthier) will be called Battle for Moscow (or whatever)
If his statement about the final patch to Steam is valid you're not going to get anything else fixed till then.

If he had done that in the first place no whining would be necessary.

Also, making your own thread to whine about people whining is productive.

[Hood]

CLOD is a test for BOM, so knowing about current and remaining bugs might help the development of the sequel.

Hood

[SiThSpAwN]

CLOD is a test for BOM, so knowing about current and remaining bugs might help the development of the sequel.

Hood

+1

Even if they dont get fixed for CloD, posting about these notes may go along way with the sequel...

[RickRuski]

A lot of you seem to forget that the sequel is going to be a new graphics engine which will produce a lot of new problems. Bringing up that this or that doesn't work in C.o.D. hoping that these will be looked at now won't be relevant in the sequel. New graphics engine is not going to run smoothly first up, those that believe that it will have their heads in the sand.
Look what has happened with this production, 18 months and development has been abandond with C.o.D. as we know it at the moment.
The sequel is promised to include C.o.D., that's when you may see the features and improvements that a lot are posting about. Nothing is going to happen with the current release, I don't care how much recussitation you try to give it, it's dead.

[slm]

How do you know what kind of graphics engine will be used in BoM?

[Feathered_IV]

Another new graphics engine? Hilarious!

[Continu0]

give up whining... because now it is REALLY pointless....

(or you can´t rationally argue for whining...)

[priller26]

A new graphics engine for BoM? That ought to be a real treat. I had already wrapped my mind around BoM using CLoDs engine with more improvements, an entirely new engine sounds like the spanish inquisition part two.

[Ze-Jamz]

Well done OP...

Completely pointless and a nice show of..you ain't got a clue what yer talking about so take yer anti whine post somewhere else theres a good fellow

[startrekmike]

I think what the OP was trying to say is that reporting bugs is good, talking about things that can improve is good, getting angry and posting stuff about problems that they already know about is pretty bad.

I am pretty new here but it is painfully obvious that some don't want anything more than something to complain about, they just want to vent and pretend that they are "reporting bugs" or some other nonsense.

The constructive critique is good, the outright whiny and angry responses to bugs we all already know about is getting us nowhere.

The response on this topic is enough proof that some don't want civil discourse, they just want anger.

[RickRuski]

Luthier has stated previously that the sequel will have a new graphics engine, the old one being used in C.o.D. was being abandoned with the final release as it wasn't suitable going forward, there were just too many problems which weren't fixable.

I guess it like a surgical team saying the patient that they have had on llfe support for the last 18 months isn't going to survive, the heart is only running on 2 cylinders, they have had the patient on dialysis because of kidney failure and now they have discovered that the patient has liver cancer.
Sorry but we have a new patient going into surgery and we may need the life support unit for that because this is a new proceedure which is untried, so we have no choice. The plug has been pulled.

[furbs]

I think Luthier said its going to be a new GUI not a new engine.

[Novotny]

I'm bored, so I'm going to join in.

Some people place way to much importance on video games and their own, personally-perceived importance within these virtual gaming forums.

There are many papers on this, but what you are seeing is the result of disassociation: some guys have so little impact on the world around them that shouting about video games - and getting a response from other depressives - is the only validity they get in day-to-day life.

Can you imagine how shit life must be if ranting about a video game is important to you?

Yeah - pretty shit. Normal people get upset about their families, or their careers. Some get upset about politics.

Our guys, though - they spend hours getting upset about minor things in a video game.

And now, now they're hearing that no-one cares, or will listen any more. No more fixes.

Cue /more/ bug threads and /more/ sarcastic comments designed to somehow legitimise their ongoing obsession.

Guys/girls: give it up. Being a loudmouth on a virtual forum - one that'll not be here in ten years time - will not improve your life. It'll ruin it. You're destroying it already. There's so much you could do! Why not learn to fly a real ******* plane? Shave your ass? Visit somewhere you've never been before? Learn something about common human decency?

I'm going to hang around for a bit and **** with the usual low-life that live here, because it might amuse me.

[Falstaff]

Novotny...'shave your ass'...well, quite....

And yes, that's about the size of it...

[Novotny]

Oh c'mon, say what you mean! Ellipses are for gypsies, as my old tutor would say. Either make a point or don't. All this talking up your sleeve crap - be a man, for god's sake!

[lonewulf]

OMG ... I didn't realize my life was such utter crap, until I read Novotny's post. I used to enjoy reading comments from people who also had an interest in WW 2 air combat simulation but I now realize how empty and facile the whole business has become. So taking Novotny's advice I went out and shaved everything, including my ass, but so far nothing has changed. My life is still utter crap. What should I do next?

[RickRuski]

Furbs,
The GUI as I understand is the graphics that drives the program, so if there is a new GUI then surely that means basically a new graphics engine. The GUI system was introduced back in 1995 which was a big advance for programmers. A change in the GUI (Graphics Engine) is why the sequel won't be backwards compatible with C.o.D. The planes maps etc, from C.o.D. will be transfered into the sequel and because of the change in the GUI programming anything from the sequel won't go in reverse.

[Novotny]

OMG ... I didn't realize my life was such utter crap, until I read Novotny's post. I used to enjoy reading comments from people who also had an interest in WW 2 air combat simulation but I now realize how empty and facile the whole business has become. So taking Novotny's advice I went out and shaved everything, including my ass, but so far nothing has changed. My life is still utter crap. What should I do next?

Son, you've only been here for a few months. I've been dealing with this wankfest from long before you'd even learnt how to shit. And from the first days of IL-2 as well.

Get in line, I have adults to insult.

[BigC208]

I know they're done with updates for CloD. What I do hope though is this. When they get close to release date, use CloD as beta test material,(minus BoM specific content).There are allready so many CloD users out there. This way they don't have to invent the wheel twice. We get free updates, they get free feedback and CloD stays on everyone's radar screen. Becoming more relevant with each update. Make it non steam downloadable content so we have a choice. If CloD's remaining problems get adressed over time, before BoM release, there will be coninued interest and increased sales of CloD. This will result in a bigger group of potential BoM buyers when it's ready.

[Novotny]

I understand what you're saying, BigC, but there's really no incentive for the company to do this. Firstly, it will take a lot of work over and above the workload for Moscow (backward converting), and secondly, everyone will buy Moscow anyway. They'll say they won't, but they will.

[lonewulf]

Thanks mate (Novotny). Now given that you've probably contributed more than anyone else to this thread, is it perhaps time for you to re-read your initial post and then ask yourself, is this a cry for help?

[zander]

I'm bored, so I'm going to join in.

Some people place way to much importance on video games and their own, personally-perceived importance within these virtual gaming forums.

There are many papers on this, but what you are seeing is the result of disassociation: some guys have so little impact on the world around them that shouting about video games - and getting a response from other depressives - is the only validity they get in day-to-day life.

Can you imagine how shit life must be if ranting about a video game is important to you?

Yeah - pretty shit. Normal people get upset about their families, or their careers. Some get upset about politics.

Our guys, though - they spend hours getting upset about minor things in a video game.

And now, now they're hearing that no-one cares, or will listen any more. No more fixes.

Cue /more/ bug threads and /more/ sarcastic comments designed to somehow legitimise their ongoing obsession.

Guys/girls: give it up. Being a loudmouth on a virtual forum - one that'll not be here in ten years time - will not improve your life. It'll ruin it. You're destroying it already. There's so much you could do! Why not learn to fly a real ******* plane? Shave your ass? Visit somewhere you've never been before? Learn something about common human decency?

I'm going to hang around for a bit and **** with the usual low-life that live here, because it might amuse me.

Hilarious!http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/lachen/laughing-smiley-018.gif
I actually feel tempted to sig parts of your post.

[jimbop]

Furbs,
The GUI as I understand is the graphics that drives the program, so if there is a new GUI then surely that means basically a new graphics engine.

Um, no. GUI = is the interface (menus etc), graphics engine is how planes/atmosphere/ground etc is drawn in game. A new GUI does not mean a new graphics engine. We have apparently already had one of them.

[Wolf_Rider]

Luthier has stated previously that the sequel will have a new graphics engine, the old one being used in C.o.D. was being abandoned with the final release as it wasn't suitable going forward, there were just too many problems which weren't fixable.


(I think the above situation, is what Luthier meant by "creepy"

CLoD, at release, had an engine which was replaced not that long ago... CLoD, final patch, runs the new engine

BoM, Sequel (not patch) will be (is expected that there should be, at least) further inprovements to that new engine, which was re- written for CLoD





~ A change in the GUI (Graphics Engine) ~



err A change in the GUI (Graphical User Interface... not graphics engine)

GUI, is just pictures/ icons/ buttons instead instead of 2 foot long DOS commands ;)

[Walrus1]

I'm bored, so I'm going to join in.

Some people place way to much importance on video games and their own, personally-perceived importance within these virtual gaming forums.

There are many papers on this, but what you are seeing is the result of disassociation: some guys have so little impact on the world around them that shouting about video games - and getting a response from other depressives - is the only validity they get in day-to-day life.

Can you imagine how shit life must be if ranting about a video game is important to you?

Yeah - pretty shit. Normal people get upset about their families, or their careers. Some get upset about politics.

Our guys, though - they spend hours getting upset about minor things in a video game.

And now, now they're hearing that no-one cares, or will listen any more. No more fixes.

Cue /more/ bug threads and /more/ sarcastic comments designed to somehow legitimise their ongoing obsession.

Guys/girls: give it up. Being a loudmouth on a virtual forum - one that'll not be here in ten years time - will not improve your life. It'll ruin it. You're destroying it already. There's so much you could do! Why not learn to fly a real ******* plane? Shave your ass? Visit somewhere you've never been before? Learn something about common human decency?

I'm going to hang around for a bit and **** with the usual low-life that live here, because it might amuse me.

Hilarious, +1.

And I think that going forward, alot of the behaviors that have made this forum just about unbearable are not going to be tolerated:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=35084

From nearmiss:

Whiners and complainers about COD will not be tolerated. Initiatives of moderators will be to quash trash talk.

Moderators will be doing their best to maintain a positive forums for everyone to enjoy.

It would be nice to be able to come here and just read/talk about gameplay, and the future of the series.

[theOden]

..I'm going to hang around for a bit and **** with the usual low-life that live here, because it might amuse me.

Are you really really sure you should laugh at others for not having a life?

[furbs]

Furbs,
The GUI as I understand is the graphics that drives the program, so if there is a new GUI then surely that means basically a new graphics engine. The GUI system was introduced back in 1995 which was a big advance for programmers. A change in the GUI (Graphics Engine) is why the sequel won't be backwards compatible with C.o.D. The planes maps etc, from C.o.D. will be transfered into the sequel and because of the change in the GUI programming anything from the sequel won't go in reverse.


As others have said the GUI is just the menus, picking loadouts, planes and missions.
We have already seen screen shots of the sequel running the same engine as we have now, it might get tweaked but its the same engine as COD.

Can you find the quote where Luthier said were getting a new "graphics engine" for BOM?


Edit
Found the quote i think your on about...

11. Will the aircraft loads GUI be fixed for the CoD patch/BoM sequel (and in which)?

Luthier- "Completely redoing the entire GUI for the sequel"

[Ze-Jamz]

As others have said the GUI is just the menus, picking loadouts, planes and missions.
We have already seen screen shots of the sequel running the same engine as we have now, it might get tweaked but its the same engine as COD.

Can you find the quote where Luthier said were getting a new "graphics engine" for BOM?

Furbs...

At the point where you read:

"The GUI as I understand it is the graphics that drive the program" you end comms

[furbs]

Furbs...

At the point where you read:

"The GUI as I understand it is the graphics that drive the program" you end comms

I know, sorry. ;)

[RickRuski]

BigC,

Luthier has previously stated that with the release of the final patch through Steam that would be the end of C.o.D. development. Any improvements to C.o.D. would come with the sequel ( some features ,planes and maps would be brought into the sequel, nothing was reverse compatible) so if there is going to be any improvements they will come with the sequel only, there was to be no further patches to C.o.D.

[FS~Lewis]

Also, making your own thread to whine about people whining is productive.

Since reading your post I really feel the need to whine about your whining about this thread that is whining about the whining. If nobody whined about the whining there'd really be no point in whining about the whining in the first place and hence I wouldn't have to whine about your whining about all this whining about the whining!!!....Ok?....Right....err......Now we have got that straight lets all move on to something that really is worth whining about!

[JG27_brook]

I feel the need to whine, till I get me a 190 :-) dont care if its western front and spits and 47,s or La5 's on the eastern front "bring it on.Whining because I am enjoying flying the 109 and cant wait till 190 takes the sky again

Whining out of the fear of it been ten years away

In this case whining is a good thing lol

[FS~Phat]

Enough of these types of posts guys we've had more than enough and they only incite disagreement.