The most effective rudder ever

[palker4]

Watch this and tell me. Would this be possible in any real airplane?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX-ajchRHXY&hd=1

[Kranak]

Now thats what I'm talking about.

[Lolsav]

I can do that while making a sandwich with one hand and playing computer with the other.

[TomcatViP]

Houston... we hve a problem

Great find!

[LoBiSoMeM]

http://youtu.be/VieBwGpZbcc

The real Su-26 is an UFO, so, i really don't know if the rudder is right in CloD FM model...

[Mysticpuma]

For Christ's sake don't get them to divert resources fixing an aircraft that shouldn't even be in a WW2 sim?!

It's a fun plane with lasers!

Please at-least ask them to fix the 'real' stuff first!

MP

[LoBiSoMeM]

For Christ's sake don't get them to divert resources fixing an aircraft that shouldn't even be in a WW2 sim?!

It's a fun plane with lasers!

Please at-least ask them to fix the 'real' stuff first!

MP

I'm having a lot of fun with this aircraft... ;)

Now i want a Hind, and with lasers too, more fun!!!

[palker4]

Nobody is asking anybody to fix anything the aircraft is LOADS of fun to play with right now and i would not want it any other way.

[Tte. Costa]

Nobody is asking anybody to fix anything the aircraft is LOADS of fun to play with right now and i would not want it any other way.

If this plane is in the game to intend to campare de FM with real data. Then is very important to know if the real plane can do it, and if not then fix its FM.
Hope you understeand me, sorry about my poor english.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

If this plane is in the game to intend to campare de FM with real data. Then is very important to know if the real plane can do it, and if not then fix its FM.
Hope you understeand me, sorry about my poor english.
I understand and agree!

[Sternjaeger II]

it's not a major bug, check 1:08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkEmmgfSADY&feature=related

aerobatic routines are made by exasperated manoeuvres normally, but you can easily get a controlled spin going with a high performance aerobatic aeroplane. I can't tell from the video whether you had any throttle in, but if you did then it's quite plausible cos you're keeping the rudder in a strong slipstream, if not then yes, that's a bit of a bug. The sink rate is probably a bit too generous (the stall speed for these beasties is around 57kts), but bear in mind that you have quite a generous symmetrical profile wing surface and control surfaces and rudders in particular are VERY efficient in this family of aerobatic aircraft. The Su-26 can really hang from the propeller and hover there, so yes, extreme aerobatics are achievable.

I haven't tried the new plane yet, but I'd be more concerned about stuff torque effects and gyroscopic precession. Do you have any of that?

[Freycinet]

From 1:30 the Su-26 is hanging by the prop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKq3w__trIA

The Su-26 is a crazy plane, and even though it looks a bit wrong in the original poster's vid I think that when you reach these extremes of flight any sim is struggling to completely faithfully model the reality of flight "at the edge of the envelope". It would take a Cray supercomputer (probably churning through data for a night and not rendering in real-time) to totally correctly model the ultra-chaotic Mandelbrot world of aerodynamics...

[planespotter]

This is why ntil now they didnt release Su26. It is unserious FM.

[LoBiSoMeM]

My Su-26 can do amazing things in CloD!!!

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[Freycinet]

BTW I saw the Su-26 myself at Le Bourget in the early 00's and couldn't believe it when it hung by the prop for more than a minute like a helicopter, with no loss of alt.

[planespotter]

I saw same in Toronto with a P 51 pilot. Zoom climb, hang there forever. Awesum. In Cliffs of Dover u can also do it in the Stuka.

[Freycinet]

must have been a modded P-51 then?

[planespotter]

must have been a modded P-51 then?

No, he came down from alt with huge momentum, zoomed up, hung like grapes on a vine, fell off onto one wing, no spin, perfect recovery.

[ATAG_Doc]

Wait a minute this is very easy to explain. You see in soviet russia we already have this technology. It's called rudder vectoring.

Heh I was messing around with this last night and was doing the same thing. I wish I could do that in the fighter. That would be awesome!

[JG52Krupi]

Wait a minute this is very easy to explain. You see in soviet russia we already have this technology. It's called rudder vectoring.

Heh I was messing around with this last night and was doing the same thing. I wish I could do that in the fighter. That would be awesome!

Doc, are you sure your not talking about thrust vectoring ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGbOs0vgYOA&feature=related

[ATAG_Doc]

Doc, are you sure your not talking about thrust vectoring ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGbOs0vgYOA&feature=related

Keep up with me Krupi. Say it in a Russian accent.

No!! It's a secret soviet Russia technology. Thrust vectoring is for chumps. In soviet russia we use rudder vectoring.

[Troll2k]

I think the old DR1 triplane could turn like that.

[vranac]

Cmon guys I think we should wait for TUCKIEs opinion about FM of this plane.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GExWk9FF7AY

[MadTommy]

wow looking at those youtube clips nothing would surprise me about this plane.. incredible.

Can it fly backwards? :-P

[LoBiSoMeM]

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I can't fly it right yeat, but it's really FUN!!!

Love this "eastern egg"!!! :-P

[Sternjaeger II]

can somebody answer about the gyroscopic/torque effects?

[pupo162]

Cmon guys I think we should wait for TUCKIEs opinion about FM of this plane.


tuckies is not installing beta patches, he is still on 1.05. he will only test the su-26 and give it too his pilot friends when the patch goes steam.

[bongodriver]

once the patch goes to steam theres nothing that will be done to address any potential issues with it's FM and we will have to wait untill the sequel is released.

[Sternjaeger II]

Bongo, what do you make of it? You agree with me on this one?

[bongodriver]

Bongo, what do you make of it? You agree with me on this one?

I do, the rudder feels believeable, as for gyro/torque I only managed a quick test but I got a sense they are there.

[TomcatViP]

If you are bellow stall speed, you fall. That's pretty simple. Only your thrust vector can compensate for it. With the nose on the horizon, the plane should be in a vertical descent no matter what rotational speed he have.

On some occasion on the CoD vid posted here, the plane seems to float in that situation. It shld not happens (check the real vid - see the attitude of the Su26 when the pilot use the "hoovering" effect).

Regarding the P51 hanging bellow his prop, beware of visual distortion. When you are far bellow an object climbing vertically, it's easy to think it does not move.

The T/W ratio of a Lightened P51 is around 0.3. No way it can hoover under it's own prop. The fall down bckwrd is only slowed down, what give you in certain view point the feel that it "float".

[palker4]

anyway here is another one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUy3TLCNlUw

[kristorf]

I thought the topic was something differant,
I was going to say don't add the Titanic to the list..

[fruitbat]

I thought the topic was something differant,
I was going to say don't add the Titanic to the list..

Bismark's didn't react well to swordfish either.....

[planespotter]

Regarding the P51 hanging bellow his prop, beware of visual distortion. When you are far bellow an object climbing vertically, it's easy to think it does not move.

Yes you are right of course.

Peopel who like this Su26 have you tried 'crimson skies'? It is also good with silly planes, silly physics and much fun.

[Sternjaeger II]

If you are bellow stall speed, you fall. That's pretty simple. Only your thrust vector can compensate for it. With the nose on the horizon, the plane should be in a vertical descent no matter what rotational speed he have.

No. A plane hovering hanging from its propeller is not stalling, and the airspeed is gonna be 0.
What do you mean with the nose on the horizon and vertical descent?


On some occasion on the CoD vid posted here, the plane seems to float in that situation. It shld not happens (check the real vid - see the attitude of the Su26 when the pilot use the "hoovering" effect).

the "floating" could be achievable in a controlled spin with a Su-26 and similar aerobatic planes.


Regarding the P51 hanging bellow his prop, beware of visual distortion. When you are far bellow an object climbing vertically, it's easy to think it does not move.

The T/W ratio of a Lightened P51 is around 0.3. No way it can hoover under it's own prop. The fall down bckwrd is only slowed down, what give you in certain view point the feel that it "float".

no idea what you're on about here mate.

[LoBiSoMeM]

And here we go... the Su-26 FM is porked...

This "community" sometimes is boring... any Su-26 REAL PILOT here? All people here are real pilots or PhD in physics...

I never flew a Su-26, don't know how the physics are modeled in CloD, but after looking at the videos of REAL Su-26, i liked the CloD Su-26 FM.

But all the "experts" can please elaborate more... :-P

[Sternjaeger II]

And here we go... the Su-26 FM is porked...

This "community" sometimes is boring... any Su-26 REAL PILOT here? All people here are real pilots or PhD in physics...

I never flew a Su-26, don't know how the physics are modeled in CloD, but after looking at the videos of REAL Su-26, i liked the CloD Su-26 FM.

But all the "experts" can please elaborate more... :-P

this is an ongoing problem mate, we indeed have real pilots in this community (me and Bongodriver to mention a couple, but there's more), and some of us have also experience on vintage and aerobatic aeroplanes, yet it doesn't seem to be good enough, because there are a lot of armchair experts that know it better, having built their knowledge not on flying hours and syllabus like us, but on Top Gun, pilot biographies and their idea of how a plane should fly.

One tries to explain things to people, but some comments in this thread and others really show that people's unhappiness with the way this sim flies is because of their self righteousness (and their complete lack of understanding of how a propeller aeroplane flies).
I hate how this sim has been damaged, but if there's one thing I will vouch for it's definitely the FM. Not perfect mind you, but showing the potential and a seldom seen attention to details.

[PE_Tigar]

+1 w. Sternjaeger - CPL/A here, no experience in aerobatic planes, but to me the FM in CloD feels much, much better than in Il-2 1946. There are and will be some oddities especially with UFOs like Su-26, but I don't feel that solving those should be a priority.

[SQB]

+1 w. Sternjaeger - CPL/A here, no experience in aerobatic planes, but to me the FM in CloD feels much, much better than in Il-2 1946. There are and will be some oddities especially with UFOs like Su-26, but I don't feel that solving those should be a priority.

Pilot here too, with aerobatic practice in the... wait for it... C152A (:grin:). But yeah, I agree, the model feels very nice, with only a couple of, uh, let's say interesting behaviours. Liking it so far.

[Sternjaeger II]

Pilot here too, with aerobatic practice in the... wait for it... C152A (:grin:).

you're braver than me mate ;)

[TX-EcoDragon]

I'd LOVE to see for myself how the SU-26 compares to its real world counterparts but I can't get the update to work without launcher crashes 100% of the time.

Also a problem is that all of my sim hardware was stolen and so I don't yet have a proper controller setup, though I do have my R/C sim transmitter and could give that a shot if I could only launch the sim.

Obviously some of the things we see in videos are totally absurd, but that's always been true in sims where the physics are clearly simplified - and to model an airplane that lives outside the normal envelope is really asking a lot of a bit of software. So while that 0 ground roll takeoff, and some of these other silly things are clearly not realistic aspects of the FM, if the Clod Su-26 rewards realistic pilot inputs with realistic responses in flight, then I for one can overlook some funky things here and there.

At this point it doesn't look real great, but thus far no aerobatic pilots have flown the thing as best as I can tell....I've been waiting for this thing for a LONG time, and would love to try it - if only the dang thing would launch!

[bongodriver]

The short take off is not so silly....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm0RGewepWA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrGk4cQTPSA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzSx2LODMIg&feature=related

[Sokol1]

But CLoD Su26 do this with brakes on - and no wind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fX2ftkEZuLc

Sokol1

[bongodriver]

I guess we won't know if the Su-26 can do it in real life with the brakes on, I rekon it has the power to do it and the brakes on those tiny little wheels can't be so great and it will probably look just as scrappy as the in game video.

all it takes is power and a light airframe and you will get off in no time...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFVN3fV1hdc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7u1jzjFL8s