The new Oleg Maddoxs

[GF_Mastiff]

I would like to say that Luthier is doing a very good job with the "hands tied at the moment" from the bean counters.

This game will have a very profound effect in the next 18 months.

What Oleg did with IL2 Sturmovik IS EXACTLY what Luthier and the Maddox's team are doing with IL2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover.

So yes its going to be a hard wait for a lot of you, waiting. patiently is the key..

Luthier will definitely "MAKE A NAME FOR HIMSELF WITH THIS NEW FLIGHT SIM EXPERIENCE."

[ATAG_Snapper]

Very cool. I look forward to it!

[Red Dragon-DK]

Agree. He still has my support. Looking forward to the patch and the sequel.

[Jaws2002]

I would like to say that Luthier is doing a very good job with the "hands tied at the moment" from the bean counters.

This game will have a very profound effect in the next 18 months.

What Oleg did with IL2 Sturmovik IS EXACTLY what Luthier and the Maddox's team are doing with IL2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover.

So yes its going to be a hard wait for a lot of you, waiting. patiently is the key..

Luthier will definitely "MAKE A NAME FOR HIMSELF WITH THIS NEW FLIGHT SIM EXPERIENCE."


They are so far off, it's not worth comparing them. Apples and oranges.
I have never seen such a long period of running around in circles, with little to nothing to show for, in the entire il2 history.:(

[Continu0]

"Time will tell" is the only thing we can say for sure...

[GF_Mastiff]

They are so far off, it's not worth comparing them. Apples and oranges.
I have never seen such a long period of running around in circles, with little to nothing to show for, in the entire il2 history.:(

yes but you need to look at the releases from IL2 Sturmovik back in 2001 and how long that took to get better.

I think it took 6 years to get at the level of what it is today.

[arthursmedley]

Luthier will definitely "MAKE A NAME FOR HIMSELF WITH THIS NEW FLIGHT SIM EXPERIENCE."

So true.:(

[Trumper]

yes but you need to look at the releases from IL2 Sturmovik back in 2001 and how long that took to get better.

I think it took 6 years to get at the level of what it is today.

But with all due respect the demo version was light years ahead of any of the other flight combat sims out there at the time so there was a huge noticeable difference.
Clod doesn't seem to have quite that gap above the others now and it's still not working enough.

[Continu0]

But with all due respect the demo version was light years ahead of any of the other flight combat sims out there at the time so there was a huge noticeable difference.
Clod doesn't seem to have quite that gap above the others now and it's still not working enough.

May I clarify that a light year is still a year?;)

[II/JG53_Volker]

I will add this from a longtime lurker. I have Been around since the Start had a couple of accounts over the years, set up a new one when I built this rig as I couldn't remember the login details

I think that CLOD will get better, but, I also think that it was in a very poor state when released. As Mastiff said, when IL2 was first released it took quite a while to get better, However I don't think it was anywhere near as bad as CLOD to start with ;)

I will await the next patch and will buy the sequel as I think there is so much potential in this game/sim that is yet to be realized.

~S~

[Tree_UK]

Well I think Luthier has already made a name for himself. :mad:

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Well I think Luthier has already made a name for himself. :mad:

Who of you that complain about Luthier can tell for sure that all this was his fault? If there is obvious evidence for it being his fault, I would like to know...

[Tree_UK]

Who of you that complain about Luthier can tell for sure that all this was his fault? If there is obvious evidence for it being his fault, I would like to know...

Obviously Luthier didn't make the game himself so yeah in that respect its not his fault, but he sure as hell sold it to us.

[CWMV]

Oh thats sigworthy tree! Much lulz!

[engadin]

"Time will tell" is the only thing we can say for sure...

Mate, sure time has already told everything it had to say so far. We all have clearly listened to the sad news. And even though my heart cries for something positive, my cold head goes right the other way.

Unfortunately this mess CoD&Sequel has became, from my humble POV, will soon show it is the consequence of quite bad commercial and management decisions made in the close and not so close past, by the Maddox, Ubi and 1C sequential teams. This is time to harvest.

Time will tell, that's just what I am afraid of.

Engadin.

[Continu0]

Obviously Luthier didn't make the game himself so yeah in that respect its not his fault, but he sure as hell sold it to us.

Aehm... sorry. But if anyone on earth would sell something like CloD in its initial condition on purpose, he wouldn´t be in the position of a teamleader for so long. Not in russia, not in the rest of the world.

And if you have to admit it yourself that Luthier "didn´t make the game himself" why would you accuse him with anything?

I have to admit that I don´t know much about the develomenthistory, but to me it seems like Luthier was left behind with a big mess to clean up. And BoM will tell if he did a good job or not. I won´t judge Luthier for something he can not fully be held responsible for...

[Tree_UK]

Aehm... sorry. But if anyone on earth would sell something like CloD in its initial condition on purpose, he wouldn´t be in the position of a teamleader for so long. Not in russia, not in the rest of the world.

And if you have to admit it yourself that Luthier "didn´t make the game himself" why would you accuse him with anything?

I have to admit that I don´t know much about the develomenthistory, but to me it seems like Luthier was left behind with a big mess to clean up. And BoM will tell if he did a good job or not. I won´t judge Luthier for something he can not fully be held responsible for...

I'm not accusing him of anything, other than to say that he knew what state the game was in before it was released, the pre released videos showed no problems at all with CLOD, but it turned out they weren't in game footage they were movies like some of us suspected. We now know for sure that Oleg had gone over a year before the release of CLOD. Anyhow thats all history, the point is that Luthier has an oppertunity to put the record straight with this final patch and I hope he can.

[Storm of When]

In every organisation there`s a perceived leader/CEO call it what you like and usually their elevated position means that when the crap hits the fan they have to take it on the chin. Mr Shevchenko is the perceived leader therefore he will be the one taking the flak, same in all businesses if the job turns into a croc the gaffer gets it in the neck.

I hope they do fix the game and if they do it will be via the next edition, I`ll buy it as I support all the flight sims by buying them, however this dev office needs to take a serious look at it`s PR because as has been stated repeatedly it sucks big time. As an aside if you bothered to read Tree`s objective posts more objectively you might find out he usually says it as it is whether you like that or not depends on your standpoint.lol.

[Feathered_IV]

I suspect luthier only got the position simply because he was there. Not because he's a talented project leader. Looking at his past projects I've found him to be largely concerned with gimmicks and prone to leaving things unfinished. I think he would be better off in a support role and a trained professional should take his place.

[Tree_UK]

The name Tree and the word objective should not be in the same sentence... he is anything but unbiased, he is arrogant, rude and actually heavily biased. The only other person like him on this board is ironically :lol: AOA both guys have huge over inflated egos and feelings of self importance that you normally would normally only see coming from a politician.

Take Luthiers questions thread, he among other raged about the lack of communication and he has a point, BUT an objective person would see this as a chance to improve the communication... what did he do ANYTHING BUT THAT he and the other naysayers filled the thread with useless, insulting "Questions" that B6 had to then flick through trying to find the decent questions.

I mean come on chaps do you not see the irony here... from this self appointed judge, juror and executioner.

I am sure I will turn on the TV tomorrow and see him throwing his slipper and then burning an effigy of Luthier.

So much anger over what a £30 to £50 piece of software while you sit in front of a PC that costs almost ten times that amount, the mind boggles it really does.

Grow up for crying out loud!

lol, great post, remind me again who's raging around here? Tune into Sky news tomorrow folks my slippers are being thrown at a burning effigy of Luthier, apparently. :grin::grin::grin:

[David Hayward]

Tree's objective posts? Too funny. I look forward to Tree's first objective post.

[Tree_UK]

Tree's objective posts? Too funny. I look forward to Tree's first objective post.

As I do yours :grin::grin:

[JG52Krupi]

lol, great post, remind me again who's raging around here? Tune into Sky news tomorrow folks my slippers are being thrown at a burning effigy of Luthier, apparently. :grin::grin::grin:

Err you are... :rolleyes:

[David Hayward]

As I do yours :grin::grin:

Try reading them.

[Tree_UK]

Err you are... :rolleyes:

Have you calmed down now? Come on, give me a hug. :grin:

[JG52Krupi]

Have you calmed down now? Come on, give me a hug. :grin:

Oh thanks you, I will even add a grin at the end of the post to make me seem more friendly :grin:

Yeah, we can all insult people and then put a smiley on it, unfortunately tree you are not fooling anyone :grin:

Oh look I did it again :grin:

I just can't stop :grin: see you on TV tomorrow :grin::grin::grin:

[JG52Krupi]

I heard that the radar operator at Pearl Harbour dined out on his story for a good few years, but it doesn't mean he wanted it to happen.:grin:

So you have just admitted that someone is paying you to troll these boards, ah it all makes sense now :grin: :P

Night night, Somehow I don't think I will be raging until 4 in the morning unlike a certain someone I know :lol:

[Tree_UK]

Oh thanks you, I will even add a grin at the end of the post to make me seem more friendly :grin:

Yeah, we can all insult people and then put a smiley on it, unfortunately tree you are not fooling anyone :grin:

Oh look I did it again :grin:

I just can't stop :grin: see you on TV tomorrow :grin::grin::grin:

I dont recall ever insulting you or anyone for that matter, show me a post where I insult someone. On the flip side I can show you many where i am attacked, but its water of a ducks back, like you say its only a £30 game. :grin:

[David Hayward]

I heard that the radar operator at Pearl Harbour dined out on his story for a good few years, but it doesn't mean he wanted it to happen.:grin:

The radar operators didn't spend the next 3 years telling anyone who would listen "I told you so".

[Tree_UK]

The radar operators didn't spend the next 3 years telling anyone who would listen "I told you so".

I bet he did :grin::grin:

[Rjel]

Wow. :rolleyes:

[SiThSpAwN]

This banter was entertaining the first 300 times I saw it....

[FS~Phat]

Guys just because you disagree with someones viewpoint doesnt give you the right to be abusive. If this continues the thread will be deleted.

[Bearcat]

yes but you need to look at the releases from IL2 Sturmovik back in 2001 and how long that took to get better.
I think it took 6 years to get at the level of what it is today.

While I have a wait and see attitude and thus far am still willing to drop some of my hard earned $$ on this product... I have to disagree with this.. IL2 1.02v .. was a pretty decent well rounded product in 2002.. When FB came out after the first few patches it was a decent product.. It was certainly not as fleshed out as it is now.. but it held it's own against anything else on the market.. I think muchy of the disappointment with this was that given the long wait .. don't forget.. we all sat at UBI for what ... 5+ years from the time we first got wind of BoB..? When it came out everyone expected it to be more... functional.. especially considering that the theater was sop limited.. and it wasn't.. but time will indeed tell.. and I have not written off 1C yet.. but I do have a raised eyebrow..

[Pudenfuhrer]

So yes its going to be a hard wait for a lot of you, waiting. patiently is the key..

Luthier will definitely "MAKE A NAME FOR HIMSELF WITH THIS NEW FLIGHT SIM EXPERIENCE."

I bought the first one for £30/35? ages ago - never really had any gameplay out of it. But I WILL buy the sequel /upgrade. I think most people on here will want to stick with it and will pay up - despite, or possibly because of all the trauma - in order to get to a place where the sim is where it's meant to be. There is, undeniably, a lot of potential.

[Robert]

Well I think Luthier has already made a name for himself. :mad:


Didn't you get booted for using one of those names? ;)


While I don'y quite share the same optomism as you Mastiff, I do hope Luthier and crew can be as successful with CoD/BoM as IL2/FB/1946 was. I bought IL2 in Dec of 2002 and I had nary an issue with the fundamental playability of IL2. I can't say the same with CoD - no matter how much effort was poured into the creation. Oh yes, there are some fantastic inprovement and I know they are light years ahead of what IL2 offered, but there are to many issues marring the surface to really appreciate the good things of CoD.

I'll once again give the benefit of doubt to the development team. The publishers and financial backers seem confident enough in the project to continue it...... BUT I will look at the development updates with a more critical eye. Being from the west, I imagine the eastern market will receive first dibs on BoM and their opinions will weigh in my decision.

Yet, I'll still hope for the best - a sim on par AND even better than IL2. Time will tell.

[Chivas]

Didn't you get booted for using one of those names? ;)


While I don'y quite share the same optomism as you Mastiff, I do hope Luthier and crew can be as successful with CoD/BoM as IL2/FB/1946 was. I bought IL2 in Dec of 2002 and I had nary an issue with the fundamental playability of IL2. I can't say the same with CoD - no matter how much effort was poured into the creation. Oh yes, there are some fantastic inprovement and I know they are light years ahead of what IL2 offered, but there are to many issues marring the surface to really appreciate the good things of CoD.

I'll once again give the benefit of doubt to the development team. The publishers and financial backers seem confident enough in the project to continue it...... BUT I will look at the development updates with a more critical eye. Being from the west, I imagine the eastern market will receive first dibs on BoM and their opinions will weigh in my decision.

Yet, I'll still hope for the best - a sim on par AND even better than IL2. Time will tell.

I agree the investors must see something some of us aren't seeing to continue to pay for the development. Of course they have to continue support for the development for any chance to get a return on their investment. But when do you stop throwing good money after bad, I'm just glad its not my money, as this genre has a low monitary upside. Personally I still see alot of potential especially in the FMB and very happy the investors are staying the course.