Friday Official Update, June 29, 2012 DISCUSSION THREAD

[SQB]

Well, B6 just made his first post of what looks to be a nice update. Unfortunately that thread appears to be for him only (all good!). It will most probably be unlocked for questions for B6 and so on but to keep it uncluttered we can discuss the update here.

[SiThSpAwN]

Well, B6 just made his first post of what looks to be a nice update. Unfortunately that thread appears to be for him only (all good!). It will most probably be unlocked for questions for B6 and so on but to keep it uncluttered we can discuss the update here.


Think its locked because he isnt done yet ;)

[SQB]

Think its locked because he isnt done yet ;)

Indeed, but if it follows the trend of the last few updates the official thread will not allow general discussion.

[JG52Krupi]

AH nice to see you fredrick old friend :)

[pstyle]

Second half coming soon.......:....

[SQB]

Sorry for my lack of wartime knowledge, but is the '109 we're seeing a new aircraft or just an Ex series?

[Blackdog_kt]

Well, B6 just made his first post of what looks to be a nice update. Unfortunately that thread appears to be for him only (all good!). It will most probably be unlocked for questions for B6 and so on but to keep it uncluttered we can discuss the update here.

Good initiative on your part.

I suppose that once B6 finishes appending his posts with whatever he wants to show us, the update tread will also be unlocked. Use that one for questions and this one for discussion.

Thanks for playing along gentlemen, this thread is now sticky. ;)

[Stealth_Eagle]

The 109 is an F-2 variant and the screenies look pretty good. Can't wait till I can fly them.

[priller26]

That was exciting..pretty planes..but General..do they fly? Not buying a sequel until I KNOW Clod is fixed, absent the serious glitches, particle bugs and general fps hits on my pricey build which exceeds anything even available when the game was released.

[SQB]

The 109 is an F-2 variant and the screenies look pretty good. Can't wait till I can fly them.

Awesome, time for some googling :grin:

I really prefer the landscape of BoM to England in CloD, however the small lakes appear oddly lit (in the distance mainly), as well as the oddly bright trees.

[ATAG_Dutch]

AH nice to see you fredrick old friend :)

:-P:-P:-P

Heh, heh! should've had a little wager there mate! :grin:

[philip.ed]

I think the main problem with the trees is their density: it's incredibly hard to see tree-trunks when flying (certainly if I have flown over England, the trees just appear as clumps of dense foliage on the ground) so the team should really look into assessing how they look and interact together. The trees in RoF look great when flying, and despite being basic objects, look better to my eyes than CloD's trees.

Nice screenshots in this update. I'm awaiting the news on the patch more eagerly though.

[BlackSix]

I can't understand why we have 2 same thread now about Friday update...

[drive-by-pilot]

is more to come for this week update?

[Blackdog_kt]

I can't understand why we have 2 same thread now about Friday update...

So that people don't go off-topic in your thread ;)

We have this one for discussion and your thread for questions (just like last week).

[SQB]

I can't understand why we have 2 same thread now about Friday update...

The last few update threads have been questions only, with a general discussion thread to supplement it.

[Skoshi Tiger]

So does the 109F indicate a Barbarossa map and campaign?

Though it'ld be good in a 'leaning accross the Channel ' senario or North Africa as well.

Oh do we know what model?

[BlackSix]

The last few update threads have been questions only, with a general discussion thread to supplement it.

Ok, I'll read and ask in the main thread only.

[Ataros]

Does Lagg cockpit have less polygons than Spitfire's one for instance? I notice that canopy curves are more angular when viewed from the inside than in a Spit. I really hoped they would be more rounded.

Textures may be a bit worse because of worse Soviet paint. :grin: It is not a problem.

Maybe it is just me. Love CloD's 109 and Spit cockpits - top notch work.

[Stealth_Eagle]

So does the 109F indicate a Barbarossa map and campaign?

Though it'ld be good in a 'leaning accross the Channel ' senario or North Africa as well.

Oh do we know what model?

It is the F-2 model that is in the screenshots. Yes they probably will have Barbarossa but my bet is that they'll vastly expand the time period, hence the La5 from last week.

Eagle

[von Brühl]

I can't understand why we have 2 same thread now about Friday update...

Because you were giving us a 2 part update, this one is for the patch I guess?

[addman]

Patch update! Patch update! Patch update! Patch update! Patch update! Patch update! Patch update! Patch update! Patch update!

[Blackdog_kt]

Probably an easy question for the 109 afficionados...

I always thought that the main difference was the type of nose gun (15mm in the F-2, 20mm in the F-4).

So, apart from people telling us that the 109 in the screenshots is a specific model, are there any external differences between an F-2 and an F-4 that we may distinguish them ourselves?

[drive-by-pilot]

Patch update! Patch update! Patch update! Patch update! Patch update! Patch update! Patch update! Patch update! Patch update!


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[Stealth_Eagle]

Probably an easy question for the 109 afficionados...

I always thought that the main difference was the type of nose gun (15mm in the F-2, 20mm in the F-4).

So, apart from people telling us that the 109 in the screenshots is a specific model, are there any external differences between an F-2 and an F-4 that we may distinguish them ourselves?

I don't know of any visual differences (besides the bigger gun bore :-P) and the reason I know it's an F-2 is because of the image description if you read it.

[csThor]

Probably an easy question for the 109 afficionados...

I always thought that the main difference was the type of nose gun (15mm in the F-2, 20mm in the F-4).

So, apart from people telling us that the 109 in the screenshots is a specific model, are there any external differences between an F-2 and an F-4 that we may distinguish them ourselves?

It's not exactly easy to discern them just via screenshots. The only external indicator for an F-2 would be two narrow metal plates on each side of the fuselage where it joins with the tail unit. I don't see them in the update, but that doesn't mean this isn't an F-2.

The major difference between an F-2 and an F-4 was the engine, the former having a DB 601N (requiring C3 100oct fuel) while the latter had a more powerful DB 601E which had the added bonus of running on B4 fuel.
The armament thing is not as clear-cut, even though the F-2 left the factory with the MG 151/15 and the F-4 with the MG 151/20. But because of the similarity of both weapons it became pretty common pretty soon to rebuild the original 15mm cannon with a new barrel and new breech parts into the more powerful MG 151/20 (the very first F-2 captured intact by the RAF already had a 20mm cannon).

[senseispcc]

.
For me there is not a big difference between the 1940 and 1941 for the German air force, the BF109 F2/F4 and some Ju88A4 but all other Cod planes were still in service if I am not mistaken! Some ground cooperation aircraft where of use and some BF110 had some new types. The FW190 was for 1942. ;)

[il_corleone]

Guys! watch the patch tread, my coment, i downlaoded and test it, and GREAT NEWS all works WELL! or its Very Good! no compliments and no CTD

[Volksieg]

Guys! watch the patch tread, my coment, i downlaoded and test it, and GREAT NEWS all works WELL! or its Very Good! no compliments and no CTD

REALLY???? :/

My report on the new patch is as follows....

Flying around in my BF109, I was pleased to see that there is STILL transparent tubing in the cockpit enabling me to see the ground/air/sea through the hull. Still.. at least there is the performance boost...eh? EH? Any performance boost? Oh well.. nevermind then. Always nice to have the frame rate drop to 1fps whenever the comms kick in as ever! I would have really missed that 'feature', I can tell you.

So glad I now have the opportunity to play CloD with EVEN LOWER settings and, somehow, have even less performance than with the alpha patch.

I was going to post an amusing photo of my hat on a plate, perhaps with a knife and fork, some vinegar...... so glad I didn't as now I would REALLY be eating my hat.

Not amused.

I am honestly not seeing any signs of ANY work having been done on this.

[AbortedMan]

REALLY???? :/

My report on the new patch is as follows....

Flying around in my BF109, I was pleased to see that there is STILL transparent tubing in the cockpit enabling me to see the ground/air/sea through the hull. Still.. at least there is the performance boost...eh? EH? Any performance boost? Oh well.. nevermind then. Always nice to have the frame rate drop to 1fps whenever the comms kick in as ever! I would have really missed that 'feature', I can tell you.

So glad I now have the opportunity to play CloD with EVEN LOWER settings and, somehow, have even less performance than with the alpha patch.

I was going to post an amusing photo of my hat on a plate, perhaps with a knife and fork, some vinegar...... so glad I didn't as now I would REALLY be eating my hat.

Not amused.

I am honestly not seeing any signs of ANY work having been done on this.

There are a multitude of factors that can be affecting your install/performance/hardware/configuration. I wouldn't write it off as a crappy patch just yet...

You could try fiddling with settings or re-install (as a proper beta-tester would) before saying its unsatisfactory...within the first 20 minutes of patch release, by the way.

[Volksieg]

True. But it's definitely not a problem at my end with the see-through tubing in the cockpit. lol Remember that the No.1 purpose was a graphics rewrite... and most, if not all, of the previously reported graphical problems are still very present. Not talking performance here (Which, as I said, is worse but I shall do a clean install and see what happens)... I'm talking graphics.

I just dragged and dropped, after deleting the conf and cache. I shall do a verify of the cache and see what happens there but.... it really isn't looking good. I know I don't have the greatest PC on the planet but, when my performance is getting worse with each patch.... I'd be very interested to know how the Direct X 9 users are fairing. lol

[ATAG_Bliss]

Sounds like you installed it wrong.

1st thing you want to do is verify the integrity of the game through steam. That will make the game vanilla. Then apply the patch / delete cache etc.

[Dano]

Yup, transparent tubes in the pit still exist for the Hurricane on my system, performance feels the same as the previous beta, though that isn't unexpected, could not get the Hurricane ROTOL to start at all with CEM on, took a couple of attempts with that turned off. Dust still causes massive fps loss, didn't get close to any clouds to see if they did the same but I suspect that they do.

I verified game files and deleted the cache before installing too.

[AbortedMan]

I know I don't have the greatest PC on the planet but, when my performance is getting worse with each patch....

I'll just leave this here...

Transparent tubes in the cockpit are the least of this game's worries. I wouldn't even bother with mentioning them at this point...they're HARDLY game breaking...seriously.

[Volksieg]

Sounds like you installed it wrong.

1st thing you want to do is verify the integrity of the game through steam. That will make the game vanilla. Then apply the patch / delete cache etc.

Well.. the number on the bottom right of the screen has updated... but I'm currently verifying the cache and hoping for the best.

Yup, transparent tubes in the pit still exist for the Hurricane on my system, performance feels the same as the previous beta, though that isn't unexpected, could not get the Hurricane ROTOL to start at all with CEM on, took a couple of attempts with that turned off. Dust still causes massive fps loss, didn't get close to any clouds to see if they did the same but I suspect that they do.

I verified game files and deleted the cache before installing too.


This is what I fear. Just doesn't seem to be any graphical changes at all.... and I know it was just a rewrite of the engine so no aesthetic changes should be expected... but I kinda expected the glaring mistakes to get fixed along the way.

We shall see... we shall see....

[Volksieg]

I'll just leave this here...

Transparent tubes in the cockpit are the least of this game's worries. I wouldn't even bother with mentioning them at this point...they're HARDLY game breaking...seriously.

Nope. But bad performance is.

[AbortedMan]

I know I don't have the greatest PC on the planet but, when my performance is getting worse with each patch....

I know I don't have the greatest PC on the planet

I know I don't have the greatest PC

I don't have the greatest PC

Sorry, I'm bored at work and have to settle with trolling. I'm done now.

[Gourmand]

before saying its unsatisfactory...within the first 20 minutes of patch release, by the way.

same thing for those who said their happiness to not having CTD ;)

[Dano]

This is what I fear. Just doesn't seem to be any graphical changes at all.... and I know it was just a rewrite of the engine so no aesthetic changes should be expected... but I kinda expected the glaring mistakes to get fixed along the way.

We shall see... we shall see....

I've just benchmarked my system with BD and it's running the slowest it ever has :(

[Volksieg]

:D LOL

That be some major trolling, Aborted Man :D Quoting the fact that I don't have the greatest PC in the world hardly rewrites history... ie... the 245 hours I've flown in CloD with sufficiently good enough FPS. :D

[AbortedMan]

:D LOL

That be some major trolling, Aborted Man :D Quoting the fact that I don't have the greatest PC in the world hardly rewrites history... ie... the 245 hours I've flown in CloD with sufficiently good enough FPS. :D

I've learned a lot by hangin around here, heh.

Have you tried deleting the Ubisoft intro video? It seems ATI cards get stuck in 2d mode and underclock themselves for the rest of the game sometimes when playing it.

[Volksieg]

LOL Yep... got rid of the Ubisoft logo (Will they ever fix that one? lol Then again.. who wants their game associated with that bunch so they probably want us to delete the logo. :D).

Just did a clean install and popped the patch on top of that and.....

....believe it or not.. it's now even worse.

Looks like my CloD days are well and truly over. :( Still.. I will say that HSFX 6.0 is the dogs doodahs so my flying days ain't over just yet, at least. lol

[AbortedMan]

LOL Yep... got rid of the Ubisoft logo (Will they ever fix that one? lol Then again.. who wants their game associated with that bunch so they probably want us to delete the logo. :D).

Just did a clean install and popped the patch on top of that and.....

....believe it or not.. it's now even worse.

Looks like my CloD days are well and truly over. :( Still.. I will say that HSFX 6.0 is the dogs doodahs so my flying days ain't over just yet, at least. lol

The dog's doodahs?!?!?!!?!? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAH

I actually laughed out loud at work, thanks for that.

Go get yourself a decent video card, GTX 560s are fairly cheap these days and will do the job nicely, we need people to stay with this game, not abandon it!

Stay away from ATI.

[Ataros]

Do not forget to defrag gamefiles with a 3rd party utility after installation. I do not trust Steam defrag.

You may also try to backup your controls and info-windows settings and then delete the whole Documents/1C-Softclub directory.

[senseispcc]

Ok, I have just tried the new beta patch 1.07.xxx and there 3 new type of Hurricane and Spitfire for 100 octane fuel all seems OK and nice I did not test the FPS this is for later. I have tried mostly the Spitfire the MKII it is fats and powrful all glitches are gone. I could be mistaken.

[AbortedMan]

Ok, I have just tried the new beta patch 1.07.xxx and there 3 new type of Hurricane and Spitfire for 100 octane fuel all seems OK and nice I did not test the FPS this is for later. I have tried mostly the Spitfire the MKII it is fats and powrful all glitches are gone. I could be mistaken.

How's the throttle? Is it back to normal or still crammed into the first 30%?

[SDT_longshot]

well update seems to be good AI fly nice no stutters finally feel like i can fly properly now he he only problem i have is every so often the launcher will crash n will have to restart the game not sure whats causing this

[Bungmiester]

Well CTD on start up all I get is
Description:
Stopped working

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: CLR20r3
Problem Signature 01: launcher.exe
Problem Signature 02: 1.0.0.0
Problem Signature 03: 4d6e3d08
Problem Signature 04: maddox
Problem Signature 05: 1.0.0.0
Problem Signature 06: 4feda986
Problem Signature 07: 4a6
Problem Signature 08: 3e
Problem Signature 09: System.IO.FileNotFoundException
OS Version: 6.0.6002.2.2.0.768.3
Locale ID: 2057
Clean install with new patch on top:confused:

[louisv]

Well CTD on start up all I get is
Description:
Stopped working

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: CLR20r3
Problem Signature 01: launcher.exe
Problem Signature 02: 1.0.0.0
Problem Signature 03: 4d6e3d08
Problem Signature 04: maddox
Problem Signature 05: 1.0.0.0
Problem Signature 06: 4feda986
Problem Signature 07: 4a6
Problem Signature 08: 3e
Problem Signature 09: System.IO.FileNotFoundException
OS Version: 6.0.6002.2.2.0.768.3
Locale ID: 2057
Clean install with new patch on top:confused:

Unplayed clean install ? ( cache would not be clean )

[jf1981]

Still drastic fps loss.

[swiss]

I would like that the dev team completely stops working on the continuous development of the game, and finally stabilyze it completely, I mean completely out of the so many bugs it currently have.


You do realize that optimzing performance only affects a handful of people of the dev team?


Cod is not finished yet.

Comprehensive reading is not one of your strong skills, is it?
Do you actually know what "Beta" means?


It's all requiring polishing in so many areas of it, not only in the air, also on ground, in hangars.


Hangars?
Clod will NOT receive any new ground objects, Bow on the other hand will.
Given the fact you can merge both...

[jf1981]

[...]

Unfortunately still beta.

I mean inside the hangar it's not better, sometimes the aircraft is positionned so that it's very difficult to get out without touching the wings.

Comprehensive reading is not one of your strong skills, is it?
Do you actually know what "Beta" means?
It is one of them indeed. Do you mean we're beta testers ? What if I'm bored of beta testing this game ? Is this anything close from what one can understand ????

I'm honestly very disapointed. I upgraded my hardware because of CoD, thought it could have any effect, which it did not.

[Blackdog_kt]

To ensure you are not getting avoidable performance troubles, make sure you have a properly rebuilt cache.

1) Go into your documents\1c softclub\etc folder and clean the cache folder (delete everything)

2) Install the patch

3) Run the game. It will take a while the first time you load it, as it's rebuilding the cache.

4) Run a quick mission, eg free flight over London but don't use to benchmark. Just fly around. This will force any missing cache data to be added to the cache folder.

5) Restart the sim.

Now you have a properly populated cache folder and you should be getting the patch's true performance. Otherwise, you might see that it's slower the first time you run it after installing the patch, because it's still populating the cache.

[jf1981]

Trying, thanks BD.

[Pudfark]

Thanx Blackdog just downloaded the torrent...shortly, the install...appreciate the reminder on the cache.

[swiss]

I upgraded my hardware because of CoD, thought it could have any effect, which it did not.

There's a reason I didn't.
Those users post here regularly their results, as far as I could tell it takes a 570/6xx to notice any improvements - I therefore decided to wait - for either the devs to fix it or the prices to drop, lol.

Do you mean we're beta testers ?

No, if you're asked to dl a beta version and test it, you're most likely an astronaut.;)

[bongodriver]

Not sure why but I can't delete everything in my cache folder, I have 8 .dds files which just show up as green squares and have strange numerical filenames theat just won't go because it says they are being used by windows explorer, but I dont have them open anywhere and steam is shut down......?

[jf1981]

There's a reason I didn't.
Those users post here regularly their results, as far as I could tell it takes a 570/6xx to notice any improvements - I therefore decided to wait - for either the devs to fix it or the prices to drop, lol.

That's right, I believed a 560 'd be enough, it's really a good video card.

No, if you're asked to dl a beta version and test it, you're most likely an astronaut.;)

I've been astronaut and will remain until the job's finished ;)

[swiss]

Not sure why but I can't delete everything in my cache folder, I have 8 .dds files which just show up as green squares and have strange numerical filenames theat just won't go because it says they are being used by windows explorer, but I dont have them open anywhere and steam is shut down......?


tried a reboot already?

[GOA_Potenz]

Well as far as i tested

No small caliber bullets holes yet
Tracers looks nice
Performance seems a bit better over land at least over london
this is still far for being complete but this is the first time i could see any improvement.

Bug: Road in the middle of the channel (maybe is part of operation sea lion :-P)

[Meusli]

Not sure why but I can't delete everything in my cache folder, I have 8 .dds files which just show up as green squares and have strange numerical filenames theat just won't go because it says they are being used by windows explorer, but I dont have them open anywhere and steam is shut down......?

As swiss said, also try to start in safe mode and delete them then if that does not work.

[bongodriver]

Thanks Swiss and Meusli, problem solved with a reboot......doh!

[kristorf]

No comment........:(

[zerty95]

hi, is this patch already compatible with dx9 and so yes, do I need to install only this patch, or the 1.06 patch too?

thx in advance

[flyingblind]

I give a slightly cautious thumbs up. I think a lot has been achieved that is not, perhaps, very obvious. No change to fps and still big drops in and around clouds but the game is so steady now that if you turned off the counter I very much doubt you would notice. I don't think any sim this complex can be made 100% smooth but for me it comes close.

The tracers are a work of art. If you take a screen shot of them they are perfect ping pong balls of light. The streak as they fly past your cockpit is all down to the actual movement. No star wars lazers here now.

The lighting seems better in many ways such as reflections off glass. A lot is good but quite subtle. I also think the sound is a little better.

Some stuff still not there yet or even slightly worse. Clouds not that better and still no cloud shadows on the ground. Trees in a small area right below my plane have worse flickering and still no reflections of trees and stuff on water as seen in IL2.

I had a short time when I had a lot of flickering artifacts around the plane but that seems to have cleared and I get some odd corruptions in the menus and start up screens.

So, I don't think you should be too hasty in writing anything off yet as it is a beta and I am sure they are still working hard on it.

I could go on but would rather mess around with it some more.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Not sure if anyone mentioned. The Sound from the Browning's on the spitfire really sounds great with the patch!

Really sounds like they pack a punch now!

[von Brühl]

Clouds are soooo much better now, I can fly through medium cloud settings with passable framerates. No longer is every mission a cloudless SoCal day!

[CWMV]

Whats the tracer burn out range used for the .30 cal guns in game? Seems to be an awfully long range.
Looks good though, and the ricochet effect is really nice.
Who knows, it might be playable some day after all!

[ATAG_Bliss]

What I'm seeing (all online)

The Bad

-Still terrible FPS hits on the ground especially with dust.
-Clouds still cause an unacceptable FPS hit when an enemy is near and clouds don't really work anyways. Limited to 1500m in height and only a medium setting in FMB
-Stutters seem the same / but seem to happen more randomly
-netcode is still untouched / laggy/warping with 40+ players / AI fly sideways / Ships fly in the air / Ships don't sink sometimes.
-LOD is terrible on distant aircraft. You might as well put a magnifying glass on your screen if you're playing at native resolution to spot a plane only 500m away.
-Dot transition is still terrible. Absolutely no AA/AF at a distant contact. Zoom in and you think you're playing an Atari (while looking at a bogie)
-New Stuka siren only heard by the pilot of that Stuka. No external siren at all.
-New models of aircraft fail to have their engines start online
-Same graphics bugs in various cables/controls in planes where you can see through them
-default skins packs that came with the game still don't show up if server has skin download off
-etc.,etc.,etc.,
-Basically - too many bugs to list.
-I could write a page of bugs just in the FMB alone, but they've all been reported here time and time again.

Good

-Tracer distance looks nice.
-Ricochets look nice
-Game does "feel" more smooth
-No CTD in 4 hours of play
-UBI logo fixed
-You can get out of a spin in a 109 now
-stuka has a siren (in cockpit only)
-can't think of anymore right now

[ATAG_Doc]

Can't start the Hurricane 100 octane on or off line.

[senseispcc]

Can't start the Hurricane 100 octane on or off line.

Yes you can ! but one must try many power and fuel settings. It is possible.

[Attila]

Hmmm, for me this patch brings nothing! Still flickering shadows, trees are popping on, many graphicbugs, graphics looks ugly imo, fps bad, etc, etc!
I´m deeply disappointed about the beta!
Maybe i´m back in a few month to check the progress, maybe not!:(:confused:

[Aer9o]

same here you are not the only one !

[senseispcc]

.
A good point is the ease to direct the Spitfire and Hurricane on the ground now!
The clouds are also very fine in mission medium clouds settings.
Little by little the geme get better.
It is hard work but with the help of every one even the negative ones like the original IL2 it shall get playable for all.:cool:

[tintifaxl]

What I'm seeing (all online)

The Bad
-New Stuka siren only heard by the pilot of that Stuka. No external siren at all.

Good
-stuka has a siren (in cockpit only)


I could hear the Stuka sirens in Desastersofts JG2 Campaign Mission 5 flying a 109.

[Feathered_IV]

its regia aeronaitica 7º stormo B. N.

Nice. I've got some reading to do ;)

[Volksieg]

Well... I've got the game flyable(ish) now and, when it is behaving itself, I am getting slightly better fps. :)

The biggest problem is stability in that I am still getting heavy fps loss with clouds (Only when flying through them... but it was like that for me pre-alpha so...) and particles... in fact much worse since the patch, I've now had to turn grass off (Which is a step back) and I'm getting the disappearing and reappearing tree problem. Can't remember who mentioned that the cure for the trees was leaving the game and going back into it again? That definitely works at first but if I fly, for instance between Pihen and manston, I find that once I cross the channel all the trees have vanished again and, obviously, leaving the mission and restarting isn't really an option so I end up with a very boring landscape. I've also encountered incredibly heavy drops in fps (Down to single figures) over the channel which is odd to say the least.

Still not entirely convinced by this patch....

[WWGangster]

The patch made the game playable for me for sure. The micro stutters are gone.......WAAAYY smoother.........

I've go a low to mid range rig.......

i920 clocked to 3.2
Radeon 4870 - 1G

[tintifaxl]

I now have 5 hours offline play (Started a new 3. JG2 campaign from Desastersoft, full real except icons and autopilot on) under the belt with this patch.

* Not a single CTD.
* Fluid fps, with an occasional micro stutter. Full HD, settings maxed out, SSAO off. 2x AA.
* Radio comms still not working. Friendly AI doesn't react to attack commands, landing and takeoff requests. Still missing sound files.
* No F16 barrel rolls encountered.

They are improving.

[andrea78]

* Fluid fps, with an occasional micro stutter. Full HD, settings maxed out, SSAO off. 2x AA.


yes, without SSAO fps are quite good and micro stutters are few... but the drop in quality is huge :(

[tintifaxl]

yes, without SSAO fps are quite good and micro stutters are few... but the drop in quality is huge :(

Actually I don't see any image degration in flight with SSAO off, so I disabled it.

[mungee]

Just some feedback re frame-rates:

Pre-patch 1.06.17582 - avr 45; max 114; min 5

Post-patch 1.06.17582 - avr 59; max 165; min 5

Post-new core.dll - avr 57: max 175; min 4

Post-patch 1.07.18301 - avr 40: max 115: min 5

Conclusion: reduction in avr & max framerates with latest patch.

[Ataros]

Actually I don't see any image degration in flight with SSAO off, so I disabled it.

Right. Only bottom of aircraft is usually influenced and it is not visible from the cockpit.

[Skiiwa]

Lower framerate for me as well. Love the new tracers. Lowered trees to very low and turned grass on and off and didnt seem to have much of an effect on my Framerates. If I had to guess, I would say I was getting high teen to Low 20ish FPS. Was probably in the High 20s to low 30s before. Stuttering was a little worse close to the ground.

Chris

[SiThSpAwN]

My FPS were probably lower as well, but honestly it seemed smoother, they dont seem to be jumping around as much as before.

[Skoshi Tiger]

I'm surprised nobodys mentioned the "Ground Control->Request Targets" radio message.

I assume it was introduced in this patch!

Has anyone found any of the other commands working?


Cool!

[Insuber]

I'm surprised nobodys mentioned the "Ground Control->Request Targets" radio message.

I assume it was introduced in this patch!

Has anyone found any of the other commands working?


Cool!

It was present before. The indications online are quite vague, like "bombers go 30 km heading 320", but from where ?

[Skoshi Tiger]

It was present before. The indications online are quite vague, like "bombers go 30 km heading 320", but from where ?

Thanks for the clarification. I'ld never seen it before and hadn't heard anyone talk about it.

Cheers!

[tintifaxl]

It was present before. The indications online are quite vague, like "bombers go 30 km heading 320", but from where ?

Heading 320 is the heading from your position. So if you set course to 320 you should fly towards them. Of course as you fly along so do the bombers in an unknown direction, so ask again after a while.

[SlipBall]

I'm surprised nobodys mentioned the "Ground Control->Request Targets" radio message.

I assume it was introduced in this patch!

Has anyone found any of the other commands working?


Cool!


Good one, thanks!

[yobnaf]

patch works fine. Thx 1C

[holdenbj]

patch works fine. Thx 1C


Not tried to fly the hurricane on line yet then :rolleyes:

[jamesdietz]

I'm not sure if I'm in the minority or majority , but on the whole I think the game is a bit better with the patch...still lowere than desired FPS & will inevitably have to buy a new graphics card , but until this beta becomes official I'll live with it.

[Skilgannon506]

I have recently upgraded to a Palit GTX 680 (2gb) graphics card and wow, runs with every setting on max and silky smooth. This latest veta patch has made no real difference to the performace and has added some nice touches like the tracers and clouds.

The problem is now the tree LOD, i have tried every suggested method of fixing it but no joy. That is now killing the game to such an extent I can not play again until this is fixed, it is horrendous.

Please, Blacksix or anyone at 1c, this beta need a hotfix, if only for that issue in the meantime...

Core i5 750 @3.8 ghz
8Gb, 1600 RAM
Palit Jetstream GTX680 2Gb
Windows 7, 64bit

[jamesdietz]

Could I have imagined it- I think I heard Stuka sirens for the first time in the Stuka Angriff Mission...1?

[klem]

I have recently upgraded to a Palit GTX 680 (2gb) graphics card and wow, runs with every setting on max and silky smooth. This latest veta patch has made no real difference to the performace and has added some nice touches like the tracers and clouds.

The problem is now the tree LOD, i have tried every suggested method of fixing it but no joy. That is now killing the game to such an extent I can not play again until this is fixed, it is horrendous.

Please, Blacksix or anyone at 1c, this beta need a hotfix, if only for that issue in the meantime...

Core i5 750 @3.8 ghz
8Gb, 1600 RAM
Palit Jetstream GTX680 2Gb
Windows 7, 64bit

Turn trees off. They serve no purpose and look mickey mouse anyway. Why sacrifice the game just for that?

[pstyle]

The problem is now the tree LOD, i have tried every suggested method of fixing it but no joy. That is now killing the game to such an extent I can not play again until this is fixed, it is horrendous.


Just climb up to 10,000ft plus. You forget about trees up there.

[Skoshi Tiger]

I had my first couple of Blenhiem misssions on ATG last night, and all ran fairly smoothly. Though I did have problems washing off speed for landing. (I haven't flown the Blenhiem for a while so it could be me being a bit rusty.)

One thing that was funny is that the Spitfire that was escorting me complained on how fast I was going. Properly set up cruising along at wave top height 235mph and he was only getting 5mph faster than me. LOL

Cheers!

[RickRuski]

For me it is all positive, micro stutters almost non-existent, small increase in fps and the sounds seem to have improved. I'm off line only so can't say anything about online performance. Hope this is sign of all good things to come. Also added new Nvidia beta drivers (304.79) and didn't test prior to that so can't say with any certainty where the improvement has come from, but I'll take it where ever it comes from.

[FS~Phat]

Just thought I'd let you guys know that although max FPS is down AVG is definetly higher and more consistent with much smoother gameplay.
At least for me! I ran in 6048x1080 last night for a while and its finally playable with all settings on max with 2xAA. AVG 30FPS and lows 24 and max 80 in ATAG. With the last official patch (which I tried again back to back) I struggled to get 18FPS out of it so they have definetly done a lot of work on the code for that kind of improvement.

Keep up the work guys and please fix the shadow/tree popup! ;)

[AbortedMan]

With all the desperation regarding trees you'd think this is a "forest simulator." if you're playing this game, or quitting, because of trees you're playing the wrong game in the first place.

[O_Smiladon]

With all the desperation regarding trees you'd think this is a "forest simulator." if you're playing this game, or quitting, because of trees you're playing the wrong game in the first place.

I am sure people have right to have the complete package which includes trees and shadows.

[AbortedMan]

I am sure people have right to have the complete package which includes trees and shadows.

Of course, I'm not disputing that [redacted], but there are much more higher priority things that the devs should fix first, like 109s flight models and how they seemingly snap into a flat spin upon any abrupt maneuver (I was denied 3 separate dogfights today by 109s going into the drink due to spins upon moving to engage, would have rather actually had a dogfight instead of watching them plummet to the ground.), Hurricanes not starting, launcher crashes, etc. When a players game crashes as he's lining up a kill, or a 109 pilot flails wildly into the ocean as a result of a minor elevator adjustment I'm sure the last thing going through their mind is, "Gee, I wish they'd fix these trees!"

Let's cheer for critical gameplay fixes *first*, then trees, clouds, reflections, tracers, etc.

EDIT: oh and by the way, on the contrary, no one has "rights" to the "complete package." If 1C said tomorrow, "the game now includes nothing but models and no textures...just flat colors" and uploaded a patch to the official steam version that enforced that statement, there is nothing you can do as you do not have "rights" to anything 1C creates, only a license to play what they offer. Just sayin'.

[CrusaderOne]

LOL Yep... got rid of the Ubisoft logo (Will they ever fix that one? lol Then again.. who wants their game associated with that bunch so they probably want us to delete the logo. :D).

Just did a clean install and popped the patch on top of that and.....

....believe it or not.. it's now even worse.

Looks like my CloD days are well and truly over. :( Still.. I will say that HSFX 6.0 is the dogs doodahs so my flying days ain't over just yet, at least. lol

You have likely already tried a reboot, but here is an experience I just had:

After installing this newest patch last night, I was getting notably better frame rates. Put my puter to "sleep" for the night...woke it up today and frame rates were lower than they ever had been (6-20). I rebooted and frame rates shot back up to 65-85. Deleting cache and restarting COD did not help...only after reboot did frame rates go back up. In my case, my guess is COD did not like running on a computer that just woke up instead of booting from bios.

I must say though that this patch has brought with it a lot more CTD occurrences for me. CTD's have been very rare for me, until this patch.


******EDIT: Started the pc from sleep mode again today and ran COD. Frame rate was ok this time.*****


ASUS Crosshair V formula
XFX Radeon HD6990
Phenom II X6 1100T 3.3Ghz--clocked @ 4.00 GHz AMD
32 gigs DDR3 1600 MHz corsair mem
Coolit Vantage liquid cooler for cpu
1000 watt Thermaltake power unit
Windows 7 64-bit

[jamesdietz]

Oh ... the Frederich...can the Gustav be far behind?Fingers crossed it all works !

[Kobold10]

I would prefer to have some EN4 and E7 versions of the BF 109 for COD....

[skouras]

the E4 is already there
the E7 is almost the same with the configuration to have drop tanks

[robtek]

Didn't the E7 had the DB601N engine?

[csThor]

No it had the same DB 601 A as the previous Emils. The only Emils who got the DB 601N received the /N suffix to their designation.

[VO101_Tom]

Didn't the E7 had the DB601N engine?

Hi. The DB 601/N wasn't the dafault engine of the E-7, but – of course – it was used in E-7/N and E-4/N too.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Of course, I'm not disputing that [redacted], but there are much more higher priority things that the devs should fix first, like 109s flight models and how they seemingly snap into a flat spin upon any abrupt maneuver (I was denied 3 separate dogfights today by 109s going into the drink due to spins upon moving to engage, would have rather actually had a dogfight instead of watching them plummet to the ground.), Hurricanes not starting, launcher crashes, etc. When a players game crashes as he's lining up a kill, or a 109 pilot flails wildly into the ocean as a result of a minor elevator adjustment I'm sure the last thing going through their mind is, "Gee, I wish they'd fix these trees!"

Let's cheer for critical gameplay fixes *first*, then trees, clouds, reflections, tracers, etc.

EDIT: oh and by the way, on the contrary, no one has "rights" to the "complete package." If 1C said tomorrow, "the game now includes nothing but models and no textures...just flat colors" and uploaded a patch to the official steam version that enforced that statement, there is nothing you can do as you do not have "rights" to anything 1C creates, only a license to play what they offer. Just sayin'.

There is no point to a "historically accurate " flight sim without an intensely immersive experience. if you have to illiminate the features ( clouds, trees, grass, shadows etc.) to actually " fly " the aircraft ,this certainly does not qualify as the " next generation" flight sim. The fact that we have neither accurately represented flying environment nor smooth uninterupted game play 16 months from COD's release is the issue.

An historically accurate flight model for a particular aircraft is never a settled issue.

[catito14]

Is a shame how the devs shows such lack of respect to the community who tested (and continue testing) the buggy beta patch and, one week later, they have nothing to tell us about all the bugs that we report. Not even a message saying that they took note about the bugs that we reported or something like that ....

[robtek]

Is a shame how the devs shows such lack of respect to the community who tested (and continue testing) the buggy beta patch and, one week later, they have nothing to tell us about all the bugs that we report. Not even a message saying that they took note about the bugs that we reported or something like that ....

Respect isn't given away, it has to be earned!!!

This community for shure hasn't earned any respect in view of the very outspoken comments here regarding MG or 1c.

It seems the misconception, that harsh words will gain goodwill, is still far spread.

[Abbeville-Boy]

Respect isn't given away, it has to be earned!!!

This community for shure hasn't earned any respect in view of the very outspoken comments here regarding MG or 1c.

It seems the misconception, that harsh words will gain goodwill, is still far spread.

only small number devs know and
live with it

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Respect isn't given away, it has to be earned!!!

This community for shure hasn't earned any respect in view of the very outspoken comments here regarding MG or 1c.

It seems the misconception, that harsh words will gain goodwill, is still far spread.+1

[catito14]

Respect isn't given away, it has to be earned!!!

This community for shure hasn't earned any respect in view of the very outspoken comments here regarding MG or 1c.

It seems the misconception, that harsh words will gain goodwill, is still far spread.

The comments of the community are only the consecuences of the continues promises broken. Nevertheless, you are mistaken in thinking that 1c and mg are in the same situation as us, the consumers. We pay for a product which they promised to deliver but clearly they not accomplished.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Respect isn't given away, it has to be earned!!!

This community for shure hasn't earned any respect in view of the very outspoken comments here regarding MG or 1c.

It seems the misconception, that harsh words will gain goodwill, is still far spread.

+1

I expect that all the Devs has been banned from posting on this forum (except for Black Six and his official statements are very guarded). No amount of provocative posts will elicite a responce. They are just annoying to the rest of the community.

My only gripe is that COD has made the original IL2 unplayable for me - which is sad because I really thought it was great in it's time. "Onward and Upward" as they say!

Cheers!

[Skoshi Tiger]

There is no point to a "historically accurate " flight sim without an intensely immersive experience. if you have to illiminate the features ( clouds, trees, grass, shadows etc.) to actually " fly " the aircraft ,this certainly does not qualify as the " next generation" flight sim. The fact that we have neither accurately represented flying environment nor smooth uninterupted game play 16 months from COD's release is the issue.

An historically accurate flight model for a particular aircraft is never a settled issue.

Historically accurate? In my opinion it is Impossible! Post official performance figures and there are 10 page arguments, Post pilot accounts - same thing. Post Post war testing same thing.

Do I need to mention the 100 octane fuel saga? You get the idea.

What ever figures are used someone will beat up an argument and be unhappy and this forum that ususally leads to pages of arguments.


Immersion? In early 1980's I was totally immersed in black ground and sky with green wireframe models, a few short years later I was totally immersed in a flat green landscape, and solid blue sky. As the years passed new features were added which blew the older sims out of immersion stakes.

At the moment with COD I could turn trees of completely because the detail of the landscape is just fantastic. NPE flying in COD is better than any other sim I've seen. Getting a bunch of people on team speak and flying up high is wonderful and totally immersing.

Will COD be Better when they fix the trees, clouds and other trivial problems? Yes of Course it will.

I for one am willing to give the developers the time they need to finish this work of Art.

Cheers!

[ATAG_Dutch]

I thought that 'pilot wings' on the super nintendo was a really good game.

I sometimes even got a bonus game involving penguins. It was really greeeeeat. :)

[Frequent_Flyer]

Historically accurate? In my opinion it is Impossible! Post official performance figures and there are 10 page arguments, Post pilot accounts - same thing. Post Post war testing same thing.

Do I need to mention the 100 octane fuel saga? You get the idea.

What ever figures are used someone will beat up an argument and be unhappy and this forum that ususally leads to pages of arguments.


Immersion? In early 1980's I was totally immersed in black ground and sky with green wireframe models, a few short years later I was totally immersed in a flat green landscape, and solid blue sky. As the years passed new features were added which blew the older sims out of immersion stakes.

At the moment with COD I could turn trees of completely because the detail of the landscape is just fantastic. NPE flying in COD is better than any other sim I've seen. Getting a bunch of people on team speak and flying up high is wonderful and totally immersing.

Will COD be Better when they fix the trees, clouds and other trivial problems? Yes of Course it will.

I for one am willing to give the developers the time they need to finish this work of Art.

Cheers!

It is good you are easily amused, and are not bothered by insignificant details like clouds,weather , landscape or smooth game play.

[Skoshi Tiger]

It is good you are easily amused, and are not bothered by insignificant details like clouds,weather , landscape or smooth game play.

All good things come to those who wait!

All those things you listed will either be introduced by the Developers in the current series of IL2 or if not another software house will come along eventually and give you all of it. Its just a mater of time.

And while we wait COD as it is has some highly immersive game play. Better than any other WWII Combat Flight Sim on the market. What other WWII Combat Flight sims with the scope of COD are currently in development or even being talked about? Not many!

So We can enjoy the biots we like or we can bitch an moan. Or as some people have chosen to do both! :)

But if you are doing both, how about talking about the good bits as well?

[AbortedMan]

Didn't know the market for trees in video games was so demanding...they should have put "WE HAVE TREES!!" on the front of the box, bigger than the title text.

[Frequent_Flyer]

All good things come to those who wait!

All those things you listed will either be introduced by the Developers in the current series of IL2 or if not another software house will come along eventually and give you all of it. Its just a mater of time.

And while we wait COD as it is has some highly immersive game play. Better than any other WWII Combat Flight Sim on the market. What other WWII Combat Flight sims with the scope of COD are currently in development or even being talked about? Not many!

So We can enjoy the biots we like or we can bitch an moan. Or as some people have chosen to do both! :)

But if you are doing both, how about talking about the good bits as well?

The damage models , cockpit/aircraft models are light years ahead of IL-2 1946
The landscape in COD certainly looks more appealing than the " green felt" used in 1946.Both of these should have been minimium requirements for any flight sim post 1946, would you not agree ?
The reason no other WW II flight sim titles are on the horizon is they are not a profitable venture. This makes it very unlikely another " software " house will pick up COD and finish it.
I quit flying IL-2 years ago along with the other folks I flew with.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Didn't know the market for trees in video games was so demanding...they should have put "WE HAVE TREES!!" on the front of the box, bigger than the title text.
Right under "NO CRASH TO DESK TOP as an added bonus NO FRAMERATE LOSS DURING MULTI AIRCRAFT SEQUENCE /SMOKE/ PARTICLES" to increase your immersion factor.;)

[Force10]

Respect isn't given away, it has to be earned!!!



Don't you think respect is a two way street? You have to give it to get it. We all know the devs had to release the product early and didn't inform their customers of what was missing....bad start. Their communications have been vague at best ever since. I think somehow we would survive if COD didn't pan out. On the other hand, they need our respect because they need us to be happy customers that spend more money on their next products.


Without our cash, they will be out of work with "programmer for COD" on their resume' in a tough job market. Technically they need us more than the reverse IMO.

[oddeball]

Respect isn't given away, it has to be earned!!!

This community for shure hasn't earned any respect in view of the very outspoken comments here regarding MG or 1c.

It seems the misconception, that harsh words will gain goodwill, is still far spread.

-1

[the Dutchman]

It seems the misconception, that harsh words will gain goodwill, is still far spread.
They were triggered by misleading promises,is how i see it...

[kristorf]

Don't you think respect is a two way street? You have to give it to get it. We all know the devs had to release the product early and didn't inform their customers of what was missing....bad start. Their communications have been vague at best ever since. I think somehow we would survive if COD didn't pan out. On the other hand, they need our respect because they need us to be happy customers that spend more money on their next products.


Without our cash, they will be out of work with "programmer for COD" on their resume' in a tough job market. Technically they need us more than the reverse IMO.

So true, but wait for the usual suspects to jump on it and try to belittle you.

[bongodriver]

I'd hate to dissapoint so here goes....


Without our cash, they will be out of work with "programmer for COD" on their resume' in a tough job market. Technically they need us more than the reverse IMO.


isn't this the the glaring and obvious reason why there is no reason to doubt they are doing all they can to get this fixed? but none of this makes any obligation to pamper the more 'entitled' egos here with grovelling and humble appologies from the devs.

[SiThSpAwN]

They were triggered by misleading promises,is how i see it...

More likely by the publisher, and maybe team members that no longer work there, so again, tell me how bashing this new team gets you anywhere?

[David Hayward]

isn't this the the glaring and obvious reason why there is no reason to doubt they are doing all they can to get this fixed?

You would think so. And yet, here we are on a message board packed with people who don't seem to understand that simple concept...

[catito14]

Only one more thing ... guys from the "north" ... maybe you are in summer, but we in the southern hemisphere are in winter so stop with that "Get outside, is summer" bulls%$t please. Thanks

[Force10]

isn't this the the glaring and obvious reason why there is no reason to doubt they are doing all they can to get this fixed? but none of this makes any obligation to pamper the more 'entitled' egos here with grovelling and humble appologies from the devs.


So you agree with the devs "mushroom" policy towards their customers? I would think most of us would just like some honesty for a change. Don't tell us it will be 3 days for the trees, 3 days for the clouds, etc. and then clam up when you don't deliver without any explanation. It's "tell em' what they want to hear" and then put on the cone of silence when that time passes. If it's going to take another 6 months for the patch...that's fine. Just tell us and be honest.

[David Hayward]

Just tell us and be honest.

Or they'll just continue to work on the game...

[Wolf_Rider]

speaking of honesty... Force 10, where did you get "3 days ~" from??


So you agree with the devs "mushroom" policy towards their customers? Keep em' in the dark and feed them sh**. I would think most of us would just like some honesty for a change. Don't tell us it will be 3 days for the trees, 3 days for the clouds, etc. and then clam up when you don't deliver without any explanation. It's "tell em' what they want to hear" and then put on the cone of silence when that time passes. If it's going to take another 6 months for the patch...that's fine. Just tell us and be honest.

[Force10]

speaking of honesty... Force 10, where did you get "3 days ~" from??

LOL! Seriously? Umm...ok...It's pretty much common knowledge for those that read the update threads. Pretty soon the "two weeks" joke will be replaced with "3 days".

[Wolf_Rider]

try again... where did your quoted "3 days ~" come from?

[kristorf]

It was in one of his threads/posts with regard to a previous 'update', so many have been posted though it would be nigh on impossible to highlight it

[Force10]

try again... where did your quoted "3 days ~" come from?

From BlackSix On May 8th


Not fully optimized: grass, clouds, and trees. Clouds cause constant FPS drop; grass and trees cause hick-ups. A few extra days of work for this, a few days for grass, few days for clouds


I suppose now you won't take back calling me a liar and just change the subject?

[banned]

From BlackSix On May 8th




I suppose now you won't take back calling me a liar and just change the subject?
Had a math teacher who said that several meant 3 or more. I still reckon 'few' means three, so I tend to agree that this statement means three days each. Definitely isn't a couple, which would mean two.

[Wolf_Rider]

From BlackSix On May 8th



[B]Known Issues

• Not fully optimized: grass, clouds, and trees. Clouds cause constant FPS drop; grass and trees cause hick-ups. A few extra days of work for this, a few days for grass, few days for clouds, we felt that we could start open testing the patch without waiting for these changes.






I suppose now you won't take back calling me a liar and just change the subject?

Actually, it says " a few extra days"... I don't see your "3 days" at all






"Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few," Churchill - 20th August, 1940

It certainly wasn't three owed...

[kristorf]

Actually, it says " a few extra days"... I don't see your "3 days" at all

Pedantic or what, date of original post May 8th, so either way (be it 3 or a few days) there is/was no indication anything was sorted, just switched off.

[Wolf_Rider]

even Kristorf (yes, that was a good movie) agrees....

[kristorf]

even Kristorf (yes, that was a good movie) agrees....

Far from agreeing with you, it was directed at you, you are splitting hairs with your all encompassing devotion

[Wolf_Rider]

Far from agreeing with you, it was directed at you, you are splitting hairs with your all encompassing devotion

Unfortunately, one has to be a bit pedantic, when there are complete idiots out there who would quite happily miscontrue (and repeated on by others) "send reinforcements" into "send three and fourpence"

Now, what's the problem Kristorf (and others)? you don't like being criticized??

[kristorf]

So then, let me get this right.
People who don't agree with you, critisize this unfinished/broken sim or word things slightly differant are idiots?

As for being critisized, if its justified, no problem, if its for the sake of it, yes.

Won't go any further or the Infractions could read 2, or banned.

[Wolf_Rider]

Wording things things slightly differently is an inherent problem and can quite easily lead to what was originally said meaning something else entirely, Kristorf... what's that I asked - you don't like being criticized?? your response to that is, what exactly? Well lets have a go at wording things slightly differently, shal we?

Kristorf said "As for being critisized, if its justified, no problem, if its for the sake of it, yes." I take that to mean; "Kristorf says it is okay to criticize when Kristorf is doing the criticizing, but Kristorf doesn't like it when Kristorf is being criticized".

[kristorf]

.......... Kristorf... what's that I asked - you don't like being criticized?? your response to that is, what exactly?

Thought the answer was clear, but I will post it a bit larger just in case your eyesight is failing...

"As for being critisized, if its justified,(I have) no problem, if its for the sake of it, yes(I have a problem)".

The bracketed parts I have added so as to be in context as its not in whole answer to a previos question and as you edited your original post

[Wolf_Rider]

ooo errr, who's being pedantic now? come on lad, there's no need to shout

[kristorf]

**Going no further with this one as it may get personel, so post away mate, you won't get an answer from me unless you go to far (in my opinion)**

[FS~Phat]

Walking a thin line gents! :roll:

[kendo65]

Personally speaking, if a friend said that he would have something for me in 'a few days' I would tend to interpret that as two days (maybe three if I was feeling generous).

Not that it all matters in the overall scheme of things, but the last page or so of this thread demonstrates fairly well why I'm trying to avoid coming here so often.

If I was to reply with my real reaction to the pedantic BS displayed previously i'd certainly be facing a ban.

[Wolf_Rider]

Patience is a virtue and one well worth the aquiring, Grasshopper

[banned]

Wording things things slightly differently is an inherent problem and can quite easily lead to what was originally said meaning something else entirely, Kristorf... what's that I asked - you don't like being criticized?? your response to that is, what exactly? Well lets have a go at wording things slightly differently, shal we?

Kristorf said "As for being critisized, if its justified, no problem, if its for the sake of it, yes." I take that to mean; "Kristorf says it is okay to criticize when Kristorf is doing the criticizing, but Kristorf doesn't like it when Kristorf is being criticized".
Wick , is this you?

[Al Schlageter]

Walking a think line gents! :roll:

A 'think line'????

[Wolf_Rider]

Wick , is this you?


sorry, no its not :confused:

[Frequent_Flyer]

What is it we are " patiently " wait for ?
If you are basing your assumption, progress is being made, because the developers say they are working on it, actions always speak louder than words.
Most likely they are working on,being acquired by an interested party. This would be very encouraging for the future of COD.

[jojimbo]

Don't crush the devs with badness, they will eventually not want to come here, or make anymore updates and abandon the whole thing?

to get clod how we all want, inc the devs, we need to keep optimistic that they will not only fix problems with clod, but give us new stuff BoM?

and once all settled and everyone is happy a brand spanking new EAW
with B17's and 262's and all the trimmings, for the next 5 years of ww2 combat goodness.

my clod don't even work, I haven't played it for over six months and I still have confidence it'll get sorted someday, I knew about the problems before I bought into it.

to the devs ,keep up the good work, it must be mind numbing poring over the same old s*** day in day out?

ps: any progress on windows 8 compatibility, because it's the game not windows :)

[*Buzzsaw*]

I see we get no patch, instead a bunch of bogus pictures of an IL-2 maneuvering like a fighter... no doubt its Flight Model will be complete nonsense, like the flight models in BoB.

Sorry, doesn't make it as far as I'm concerned, won't be buying BoM until CoD is fixed.

[SlipBall]

Thanks B6:)

[SiThSpAwN]

I see we get no patch, instead a bunch of bogus pictures of an IL-2 maneuvering like a fighter... no doubt its Flight Model will be complete nonsense, like the flight models in BoB.

Sorry, doesn't make it as far as I'm concerned, won't be buying BoM until CoD is fixed.

What doesnt make sense? That the didnt publish a patch today cuz it wasnt ready, did you mommy feed you dinner before it was ready just because you cried you were hungry?

And they already stated that they want to fix CoD before releasing anything else, its been stated by them, but thanks for pointing that out for the 1 millionth time.. I think you are eligible for a prize now...