Any one here from1C ?

[simbo]

Right then 1C its about time your cards are put on the table for us .I personally want to know what path you are following from the initial release of ClOD to where you expect to leave and concentrate on BoM.
This would then truthfully and respectfully let us know what is happening with you guys.
You don`t buy respect for the cost of the game you earn respect guys by what you do and I think it`s about time we knew what is going on.Rhetoric every week/month with an update on what you have discovered is faulty and what needs to be replaced time after time is just going on and on.
Come on 1C lets see what you are doing,be transparent for once and EARN some respect.



Paul

[furbs]

Que Bongo....

[trademe900]

Hear, hear.

1c Really need to have something different for this Friday, either coming out with some honesty about what lies ahead or a patch, or probably both actually.

[bongodriver]

Thanks Furbs....

Good evening Ladies and gentlemen it's lovely to be here tonight...

I just wanted to start with this.....

What if.....bear with me here.....I know it sounds mindblowingly radical....but what if........the devs are actually telling the truth and after all this time they haven't been lying to us and they really have been finding problems through this process?

[Continu0]

Thanks Furbs....

Good evening Ladies and gentlemen it's lovely to be here tonight...

I just wanted to start with this.....

What if.....bear with me here.....I know it sounds mindblowingly radical....but what if........the devs are actually telling the truth and after all this time they haven't been lying to us and they really have been finding problems through this process?

Thank you.
At least someone here who doesn´t think he konws it better than the people who are actually confronted with the problem.

By the way, is that you on the picture?

[bongodriver]

Yes it is me in both pictures.

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

Right then 1C its about time your cards are put on the table for us .I personally want to know what path you are following from the initial release of ClOD to where you expect to leave and concentrate on BoM.
This would then truthfully and respectfully let us know what is happening with you guys.
You don`t buy respect for the cost of the game you earn respect guys by what you do and I think it`s about time we knew what is going on.Rhetoric every week/month with an update on what you have discovered is faulty and what needs to be replaced time after time is just going on and on.
Come on 1C lets see what you are doing,be transparent for once and EARN some respect.



Paul

Hehe.............fat chance mate!,and don't expect to see anything tomorrow or the day after either,I never thought I'd say this but I have lost all faith in this lot now.

Even the forum speaks volumes,it's all becoming like 'Tombstone City',it's soooo bloody quiet on here now,I have seen so many friends leave this sim in recent weeks it's untrue.

No,the only thing that you'll see tomorrow is more tumbleweed rolling through here,lol,as it's becoming increasingly clear we've been abandoned.

[simbo]

Thanks JRB for having at least the decency to explain what is going on here.
I did not expect an answer like the one above honestly ! I do not frequent these boards enough.
I know better now,cheers guys !

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

Yeah,sorry to be the bringer of sad tidings mate,but the support on here has almost dried up now,apart from a few screenies every Friday of the new sequel,all we're getting from them now is excuses,pity.

But you don't have to take my word for it,check back here tomorrow night and see for yourself.

[Chivas]

Right then 1C its about time your cards are put on the table for us .I personally want to know what path you are following from the initial release of ClOD to where you expect to leave and concentrate on BoM.
This would then truthfully and respectfully let us know what is happening with you guys.
You don`t buy respect for the cost of the game you earn respect guys by what you do and I think it`s about time we knew what is going on.Rhetoric every week/month with an update on what you have discovered is faulty and what needs to be replaced time after time is just going on and on.
Come on 1C lets see what you are doing,be transparent for once and EARN some respect.



Paul

The majority of the development team should be working on the game engine, AI, Commands, FM, DM, clouds, weather, and other features etc which will effect both COD and the Sequels. A smaller portion of the development team will be working on the sequels map, campaigns, and some aircraft that are exclusive to the Sequel theater of operations. So COD has not been abandoned as some here would try to convince you, and a lack of updates doesn't necessarily mean they are not working on the project, it just means its not ready yet. That said the bean counters could pull the plug on the development at any moment.

[PotNoodles]

Hehe.............fat chance mate!,and don't expect to see anything tomorrow or the day after either,I never thought I'd say this but I have lost all faith in this lot now.

Even the forum speaks volumes,it's all becoming like 'Tombstone City',it's soooo bloody quiet on here now,I have seen so many friends leave this sim in recent weeks it's untrue.

No,the only thing that you'll see tomorrow is more tumbleweed rolling through here,lol,as it's becoming increasingly clear we've been abandoned.

There has to be a patch tomorrow! Even if it's just to fix the Grass/Trees/Clouds..I mean, we were told this would tack nine days and it's been about 4 weeks already.

[Skoshi Tiger]

There has to be a patch tomorrow! Even if it's just to fix the Grass/Trees/Clouds..I mean, we were told this would tack nine days and it's been about 4 weeks already.

I've been following the updates closely and cannot recall a promise to deliver the patch "in nine days". Please post a link.

[LoBiSoMeM]

I'm really tired...

This company don't have my respect until this game is fixed.

All fanboys can talk a lot of nonsense now, i don't care. 1C and/or MG are redoing all graphics engine, it's clear.

They sold us a really bugged sim based in a really bugged engine. We all know that.

With time all this mess will be solved, but the respect, sorry... will take MUCH more time to be earned again...

It's a shame...

[louisv]

The majority of the development team should be working on the game engine, AI, Commands, FM, DM, clouds, weather, and other features etc which will effect both COD and the Sequels. A smaller portion of the development team will be working on the sequels map, campaigns, and some aircraft that are exclusive to the Sequel theater of operations. So COD has not been abandoned as some here would try to convince you, and a lack of updates doesn't necessarily mean they are not working on the project, it just means its not ready yet. That said the bean counters could pull the plug on the development at any moment.

I believe most of the bean counters have pulled the plug a long time ago I'm afraid. What we have here is a rescue operation with very limited resources, and those resources do not come from Ubisoft (educated guess).

Map making is outsourced, they have said that already but I think the "new" planes we see now have been around for a while, and/or have been outsourced too. How long since anyone seen a new cockpit ? I just dont think they have been working constantly.

The ratio of time spent over results is huge. The difference between BoM an CoD is a few aircrafts and a map, since they both will (hope!) be fused together eventually, it's the same program. There are other considerations of course, like campaign and mission making, FM/DM tweaking for the new planes and such but it's the same GUI, same clouds, same trees, the same weather, same graphics, sound, same track recorder, same AI, etc...

Luthier is no more to blame for this than Obama is to blame for the 2008 financial crisis. Its the previous guy, the one that created the mess that is to blame.

I wish them the best, they are very courageous to keep going like that. If Luthier has grey hair, I know where they come from...

I still remember being sure to play CoD in 2006...And I'm still hoping because goshdarn it, I love that DM, it is so satisfying ! That has not been equaled yet.

Lou

[FS~Phat]

Guys you know as well as I... They are damned if they do and damned if they dont... Everything is so heated around here over the last year...


There was a long long wait between patches from the last official to 1st DX10 alpha patch and then a lot of activity and communication around that patch and the subsequent mini-patch. The issues and priorities have NOT changed as far as I can tell, its just that we had a bunch of activity around the last patch and got our hopes up (understandably) for some quick turn arounds on the remaining issues.

Just because they have gone quiet doesnt mean they havent made progress.
I dont know if you noticed but Blacksix is in here pretty much every day now and doing his best to communicate a) what he is allowed to talk about and b) answering questions he can answer without creating a storm of speculation given his new english speaking skills. Its a much tougher job than moderating I can assure you. (and thats saying something for sure!)

Im sure the team is under a lot more internal pressure to get the job done than we realise, both from the commercial perspective and their own high expectations and hopes. Remember they are enthusiasts like you and me. It is not just a job, its a passion. They and the studio could have walked away from this long long ago before it was even released. They have stuck at it with determination to see the vision fulfilled. Making somewhat slow progress, but progress none the less that many had not given them the slightest chance of making.

Please remain patient..... I mean really... please, as in, I and they all know its a big ask to be so patient for so long.

Hopefully we will get some of the news we have been hoping for today. If not, it's because they havent quite got things to where they want them but they wont give up and I truly hope you wont give up supporting them either.

This project has been a labour of love for all involved, each individual developer, and each one of us. There's been an awful lot of pain involved but hopefully soon we will be on the way to happier times for all. :)

[PotNoodles]

I've been following the updates closely and cannot recall a promise to deliver the patch "in nine days". Please post a link.

Where in my post did I say they were delivering a patch in nine days time? Please post the link? I said B6 said it would take 3 days each to fix the Grass/Trees/Clouds and I stick by that because he did say this. Unfortunately this was about 4 weeks ago now and unless you took a vacation you would have seen it for yourself if you follow things so closely.

[furbs]

The alpha, beta patch was released 5th May, almost 8 weeks ago.

[Chivas]

I believe most of the bean counters have pulled the plug a long time ago I'm afraid. What we have here is a rescue operation with very limited resources, and those resources do not come from Ubisoft (educated guess).

Map making is outsourced, they have said that already but I think the "new" planes we see now have been around for a while, and/or have been outsourced too. How long since anyone seen a new cockpit ? I just dont think they have been working constantly.

The ratio of time spent over results is huge. The difference between BoM an CoD is a few aircrafts and a map, since they both will (hope!) be fused together eventually, it's the same program. There are other considerations of course, like campaign and mission making, FM/DM tweaking for the new planes and such but it's the same GUI, same clouds, same trees, the same weather, same graphics, sound, same track recorder, same AI, etc...

Luthier is no more to blame for this than Obama is to blame for the 2008 financial crisis. Its the previous guy, the one that created the mess that is to blame.

I wish them the best, they are very courageous to keep going like that. If Luthier has grey hair, I know where they come from...

I still remember being sure to play CoD in 2006...And I'm still hoping because goshdarn it, I love that DM, it is so satisfying ! That has not been equaled yet.

Lou

Ubisoft hasn't been involved financially for sometime. IC publishing must be footing the thousands of dollars a day in development costs at the moment. I believe the Eastern Front Sequel was a third party group from the beginning that may have been drawn into the main development group, just as Luthier's Korean war group was drawn in. We've seen development information on the Eastern Front sim using the COD engine before COD was released.

I believe Oleg's dream sim suffered from the weakness of todays average computer, trying to enable to many highly complex features, poor coding via the modulation system, and optimization. The modulation system makes its easier to code, find, and change the code when required, but putting the code together without stutters or CTD's seems to be a problem. I know the code wasn't all bad, COD worked rather well on my highly optimized system from the first day of release, if you ignore the gameplay issues.

Hopefully Luthier team will be able to optimize the recent code update, as the future of the sim rides on it.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Where in my post did I say they were delivering a patch in nine days time? Please post the link? I said B6 said it would take 3 days each to fix the Grass/Trees/Clouds and I stick by that because he did say this. Unfortunately this was about 4 weeks ago now and unless you took a vacation you would have seen it for yourself if you follow things so closely.

Thankyou for clarrifying your statement PotNoodles, your original statement gave me the impression that you had read a post that contained a release date. Obviously this is not the case.

Cheers!

[addman]

The majority of the development team should be working on the game engine, AI, Commands, FM, DM, clouds, weather, and other features etc which will effect both COD and the Sequels. A smaller portion of the development team will be working on the sequels map, campaigns, and some aircraft that are exclusive to the Sequel theater of operations. So COD has not been abandoned as some here would try to convince you, and a lack of updates doesn't necessarily mean they are not working on the project, it just means its not ready yet. That said the bean counters could pull the plug on the development at any moment.

Wow! just wow Chivas. You're my hero, whenever I feel down or negative in life, I just read one of your posts and I start to beleive in humanity again. Hope and Chivas are the last things that leave us before we die. Are you Jesus?:cool:

[HessleReich]

I've been following the updates closely and cannot recall a promise to deliver the patch "in nine days". Please post a link.

Check again, 9 weeks already... B6 has released a statement saying that evne if they had it fixed, they may not have wanted to release it untill later. well see

[Skoshi Tiger]

Check again, 9 weeks already... B6 has released a statement saying that evne if they had it fixed, they may not have wanted to release it untill later. well see

Wishful thinking, supposition, use of 'logic' or reading between the lines does not make a release date. Please post a link if one has been posted.

Cheers!

[pstyle]

So I've got some time on my hands... going to kill it here on the boards ;)

Wishful thinking, supposition, use of 'logic' or reading between the lines does not make a release date. Please post a link if one has been posted.
Cheers!

To be fair, we have to take some kind of meaning from B6's words, even though the company is non-committal to an exact date. So, what have we got?

From June 22:
This week we have completed all the planned work on the patch and are planning to start its assembly and testing in the coming days. Therefore, we do find it difficult to give an exact release date.

So, Friday last week ALL PLANNED work was complete. And there were testing in the COMING DAYS. Now, granted we need to allow for some language translation, but from the above one should reasonably be able to assume that a patch would be a matter of days away, rather than weeks. So, anything from, say 5 to 15 days? (june 27th through until about July 6th). I think that if the patch is delayed beyond that point, it's arguable that B6's report was misleading.

From June 15th
A very short update today. We’re continuing to work on the patch. It’s largely done but DX9 stability remains an issue so we’ve had a quick discussion a few minutes ago and decided to let it simmer a bit longer.
We did make some progress this week......We’re hoping that we’ll have a playable stable version of the patch ready very soon.

This was the week prior. Patch by that stage was "largely done" which is consistent with the update a week later, when it was COMPLETE. The decision to delay was based on a "quick discussion" only a few minutes before the update - which conveys the strong suggestion that the decision was unscheduled. Couple this with B6s statement that the patch would be ready "very soon" one cannot be blamed for thinking that this was a matter of days, and not weeks or months.

There is a consistent pattern here of using terms and references that indicate short time spans of days, maybe weeks, rather than months. For those that have assumed, based on this evidence that the patch should be out in June or July 2012 then I think their assumptions are well justified.

[Skoshi Tiger]

So I've got some time on my hands... going to kill it here on the boards ;)



To be fair, we have to take some kind of meaning from B6's words, even though the company is non-committal to an exact date. So, what have we got?

From June 22:
This week we have completed all the planned work on the patch and are planning to start its assembly and testing in the coming days. Therefore, we do find it difficult to give an exact release date.

So, Friday last week ALL PLANNED work was complete. And there were testing in the COMING DAYS. Now, granted we need to allow for some language translation, but from the above one should reasonably be able to assume that a patch would be a matter of days away, rather than weeks. So, anything from, say 5 to 15 days? (june 27th through until about July 6th). I think that if the patch is delayed beyond that point, it's arguable that B6's report was misleading.

From June 15th
A very short update today. We’re continuing to work on the patch. It’s largely done but DX9 stability remains an issue so we’ve had a quick discussion a few minutes ago and decided to let it simmer a bit longer.
We did make some progress this week......We’re hoping that we’ll have a playable stable version of the patch ready very soon.

This was the week prior. Patch by that stage was "largely done" which is consistent with the update a week later, when it was COMPLETE. The decision to delay was based on a "quick discussion" only a few minutes before the update - which conveys the strong suggestion that the decision was unscheduled. Couple this with B6s statement that the patch would be ready "very soon" one cannot be blamed for thinking that this was a matter of days, and not weeks or months.

There is a consistent pattern here of using terms and references that indicate short time spans of days, maybe weeks, rather than months. For those that have assumed, based on this evidence that the patch should be out in June or July 2012 then I think their assumptions are well justified.

So in short there was not a release date mentioned, nor a specific number of days until a release. Just as I thought.

Thankyou for your research into the matter, it should stop some droll and repetitive arguments.

[pstyle]

So in short there was not a release date mentioned, nor a specific number of days until a release. Just as I thought.
Thankyou for your research into the matter, it should stop some droll and repetitive arguments.

The above is not exhaustive.
It will not stop anything. -> this is the internet.

[Skoshi Tiger]

The above is not exhaustive.
It will not stop anything. -> this is the internet.

:) QTF

Now where's that Patch!!!!!! ;)

[MadTommy]

it should stop some droll and repetitive arguments.

Do you ever look in the mirror?

Everyone knows there has not been a release date, yet you still managed to add a page or two of droll and repetitive arguments on the subject.

These forums resemble vultures picking scraps of dried meat off each others bones... constant bickering of complete bollocks. Its actually quite entertaining.

[pstyle]

These forums resemble vultures picking scraps of dried meat off each others bones... constant bickering of complete bollocks. Its actually quite entertaining.

what else are we supposed to do? Work is boring ;)
get on board, there's room for many a more... (no-one's flying anyways)

[kendo65]

Good post pstyle.

Skoshi Tiger :confused::confused::confused::rolleyes:!!!

Edited: Sorry folks and Skoshi Tiger - over-reaction

[carguy_]

I recommend leaving the forum then. No need to litter it with cries about your psyche stance.

[Wolf_Rider]

Luthier is no more to blame for this than Obama is to blame for the 2008 financial crisis. Its the previous guy, the one that created the mess that is to blame.




Actually, it was the one before the previous one

[Al Schlageter]

The words that live in infamy:

TWO WEEKS, BE SURE.

[jermin]

Some people's posts make me have a feeling that they are being paid to suffuse this forum with disgusting mannered optimism.

[flyingblind]

Hooraaaay! It's Friday and patch fever hits the forum again. Yipee.

[Chivas]

Wow! just wow Chivas. You're my hero, whenever I feel down or negative in life, I just read one of your posts and I start to beleive in humanity again. Hope and Chivas are the last things that leave us before we die. Are you Jesus?:cool:

There is always hope as long as the development team is still working on the project. I know if I was paying the thousands of dollars a day to keep this development working I would want to see some substantial reason to keep investing my money. The investors must be privy to some positive information, atleast for the moment, but don't let me disturb those wallowing in the depths of negativism.