Patch update 22/06 - general discussion (ask questions in official update thread)

[kristorf]

Tells us absolutally nothing, but then we expect than now don't we.:confused:

[Feathered_IV]

I'd rather see some results.

[SlipBall]

Well it's certainly not by choice, they are trying I'm sure...nothing we say will help to speed it up. :grin:

[Screamadelica]

What happened to the big announcement in June?

[kristorf]

What happened to the big announcement in June?

They covered themselves on that, they didn't state a year.....

[ATAG_Dutch]

Observation 1: Previous screenies were taken in the object viewer, some of these appear to be in-game and show high cloud and low calibre damage decals. They also show a pretty bland landscape (WIP?).

Observation 2: Next Friday is June 29th. If June is the deadline for 'the announcement', it's next week. But of course the patch is completely unconnected with the announcement so the current beta patch is what we're stuck with for now.

Except for me. I've gone back to the pre-patch version which currently means I can only fly the sim offline. But at least offline the RAF planes fly ok. :)

[David198502]

yeah a really disappointing update, because i think at this point, the majority is not interested in wip screenshots of a project we dont know anything about, while we are all waiting now more than half a year for a patch to come out....
but im not at all surprised anymore with this.
what i am surprised about is, that i am not interested in their future project, for now at least.
i remember waiting for the CLOD development updates, as excited as like a little child waiting for xmas.
if you had told me in the past, that all my excitement will be gone one and a half years after the release of CLOD and directly before the announcement of their sequel, i had not believed it.

[banned]

yeah a really disappointing update, because i think at this point, the majority is not interested in wip screenshots of a project we dont know anything about, while we are all waiting now more than half a year for a patch to come out....
but im not at all surprised anymore with this.
what i am surprised about is, that i am not interested in their future project, for now at least.
i remember waiting for the CLOD development updates, as excited as like a little child waiting for xmas.
if you had told me in the past, that all my excitement will be gone one and a half years after the release of CLOD and directly before the announcement of their sequel, i had not believed it.
I suddenly realized you are spot on mate. I didn't even look at the pics. Yep, a real bloody shame.

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

I've gone back to the pre-patch version which currently means I can only fly the sim offline. But at least offline the RAF planes fly ok. :)

Yeah the RAF planes need a fix like NOW!!,they would've pleased me and many others on here today by just releasing what ever new flight models they have at the moment in a small patch,it would've meant a lot.......dissappointed does'nt even come close to how I feel about this.:(

[Viking]

Get a life!

Viking

[pstyle]

Posting photos of the sequel is not doing any favour to the developers unfortnately.
A company with an as yet still failed product does not satiate its customers by trying to sell them another product. Madness.

I, for one, have little interest in the eastern front anyway, and coupled with dismay for this software, I don't think I will be buying the sequel.

[kristorf]

Get a life!

Viking


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[theOden]

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I think he has a hard time with the language barrier.
Give him time to re-read the post using 4 to 7 dictionaries he might findout this wasn't about pennies.

[Whiski]

I will not be buying the sequel, not for at least a year after release....ond then only if they have CLoD fully complete.

I did look at the photos posted and agree totally that it does look bland.

In any case I haven't played in quite a while now, and probably won't until its fixed. DCS A-10C is taking up a good portion of my time atm.

[Insuber]

Well - this delay is costing me a fortune: I am back to photography, and as you know all that new Nikon FF stuff is not exactly cheap ... body only is several times more expensive than a new PC. Not to mention the photo editing software, the cheapest one costs 2x the CloD collectors edition!

[catito14]

The only pathetic here is the whining of patienceless people!

If the patch doesn't comes next week then mabe the week after.

The real life gives soo much more fun as a computer game, which could be written of as bad experience after all, if it comes to the worst case.

As long as the devs are still working on it, nothing is lost.

I agree with ya, but here is a PC SIM FORUM, not a pub chat ... so, we are here to talk about the game.

[Volksieg]

I agree with ya, but here is a PC SIM FORUM, not a pub chat ... so, we are here to talk about the game.
... or lack thereof. lol

+1

[SYN_Repent]

it hasnt even been a good effort, pull the plug and move on.

[senseispcc]

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You are right it is a game; let us be happy it does exist.:grin:

[bongodriver]

So, where's your limit. If they still say "working on it" on a friday of November 2015 will you still say "hoooray"?

Will people 'still' be whingeing is the real question, what I really don't get is all the folks whingeing and claiming COD is a 'dead duck' yet they are still here, for some reason they just can't leave and move on with their lives like jilted boyfriends crying in the street.

[Volksieg]

Will people 'still' be whingeing is the real question, what I really don't get is all the folks whingeing and claiming COD is a 'dead duck' yet they are still here, for some reason they just can't leave and move on with their lives like jilted boyfriends crying in the street.

I get what you are saying but answer this question:

Do you want to live in a future where game developers can get away with selling unfinished products to customers safe in the knowledge that they will just stop whinging and go away?

The more likely scenario is that you will end up in a future of Modern Warfare 26 (Now with bushes a slightly different shade of green! Bullets as DLC for £25!).... or no game industry at all.

If CloD isn't fixed soon then 1C, as a company, will seriously start to feel the pain... I'm not the only one who is now avoiding anything with the 1C logo on it! Muck spreads and tends to stick too...

[catito14]

Will people 'still' be whingeing is the real question, what I really don't get is all the folks whingeing and claiming COD is a 'dead duck' yet they are still here, for some reason they just can't leave and move on with their lives like jilted boyfriends crying in the street.

I think, because we paid for it. If you are glad giving your money for nothing, good for you.

And I think that ALL we are posting here wants the game works fine and become in the best simulator in history, but no for that we will not complain when things do not go as they promised.

[David Hayward]

Will people 'still' be whingeing is the real question, what I really don't get is all the folks whingeing and claiming COD is a 'dead duck' yet they are still here, for some reason they just can't leave and move on with their lives like jilted boyfriends crying in the street.

^^^^
So very true.

[David Hayward]

I think, because we paid for it. If you are glad giving your money for nothing, good for you.


I paid for Wings of Puke. It sucked. I removed it from my computer. I didn't spend the next year complaining on their forum. I have some dignity.

[kristorf]

I paid for Wings of Puke. It sucked. I removed it from my computer.

However, did it work as it said on the box, or was it a WIP and (a public/open) beta for a future game?

[Stirwenn]

RAh.... marvellous ... i miss you fanboy

[bongodriver]

I get what you are saying but answer this question:

Do you want to live in a future where game developers can get away with selling unfinished products to customers safe in the knowledge that they will just stop whinging and go away?

The more likely scenario is that you will end up in a future of Modern Warfare 26 (Now with bushes a slightly different shade of green! Bullets as DLC for £25!).... or no game industry at all.

If CloD isn't fixed soon then 1C, as a company, will seriously start to feel the pain... I'm not the only one who is now avoiding anything with the 1C logo on it! Muck spreads and tends to stick too...


Do you really think the whingeing on this forum is actually doing anything usefull? it just fills the forum with sensless rubbish and makes it an unpleasant place for everyone, I can tell you that what we have with 1C is one of the only devfelopers still bothered to make anything resembling a flight simulator and it is peoples 'impatience' and sense of entitlement that forces the gaming industry down the path of console games and we will just end up with 'grand theft aero'

[David Hayward]

However, did it work as it said on the box, or was it a WIP and (a public/open) beta for a future game?

It sucked so bad that I didn't play it long enough to find all the annoying bugs.

[FS~Phat]

'grand theft aero'

LOL! Lets hope not! ;)

[Volksieg]

Do you really think the whingeing on this forum is actually doing anything usefull? it just fills the forum with sensless rubbish and makes it an unpleasant place for everyone, I can tell you that what we have with 1C is one of the only devfelopers still bothered to make anything resembling a flight simulator and it is peoples 'impatience' and sense of entitlement that forces the gaming industry down the path of console games and we will just end up with 'grand theft aero'

:D LOL at 'Grand Theft Aero' :D

I do understand where you are coming from but, if nothing else, this forum can act as a warning to other curious people who consider spending money on Cliffs of Dover... meanwhile they can then hop over to the 1946 forum and be enticed by the best simulator to ever grace the market.

As I have said elsewhere... I WANT this to succeed, not only so I get my money's worth but, as you rightly point out, for the sake of the simming hobby itself but...

...Release a faulty product and then irritate the community with badly handled PR and reap the whirlwind!

The best that could come out of this is everyone gets a learning experience. :D

[Volksieg]

It sucked so bad that I didn't play it long enough to find all the annoying bugs.

Yeah... it was 100% unadulterated poo when compared to true sims. :D I will say, though, that it did do everything it said it would and was a fairly bug free experience... not bad for an arcade game really.

[bongodriver]

:D LOL at 'Grand Theft Aero' :D

I do understand where you are coming from but, if nothing else, this forum can act as a warning to other curious people who consider spending money on Cliffs of Dover... meanwhile they can then hop over to the 1946 forum and be enticed by the best simulator to ever grace the market.

As I have said elsewhere... I WANT this to succeed, not only so I get my money's worth but, as you rightly point out, for the sake of the simming hobby itself but...

...Release a faulty product and then irritate the community with badly handled PR and reap the whirlwind!

The best that could come out of this is everyone gets a learning experience. :D


Yeah it wil act as a warning ok, it will just warn everyone involved including developers that flight sims are an extremely volatile area and nobody will ever bother with them again.....hows that for a learning experience.

since when was the way to making something succeed was to berrate it mercilessly? instead of perhaps trying some encouragement.

[the Dutchman]

Get a life!

Viking


I'll take yours instead!:mrgreen:

[Crumpp]

You are right it is a game;

Not really at this point....

For example, there is no way to save any of the campaign progress. It does not seem to be an option or there is a bug and I have no option to save progress.

That is the kind of thing they need to fix to make it a game. Right now, it seems very cobbled together and incomplete.

Almost like somebody goofed off or concentrated on some concept that did not work out and then at the last minute tried to put something together to meet a deadline.

I like the potential and hope it works out. If CloD does come together and work as it should, I look forward to the whole series. I think the future of the series though rides on it. Otherwise, I recognize that hope dies last and CloD becomes a coaster for my glass of scotch.

[Volksieg]

Yeah it wil act as a warning ok, it will just warn everyone involved including developers that flight sims are an extremely volatile area and nobody will ever bother with them again.....hows that for a learning experience.

since when was the way to making something succeed was to berrate it mercilessly? instead of perhaps trying some encouragement.

Again, a fair point, but how about the hobby disappearing because the dev team can't do it properly? I'm sure they're not sat on the edge of their seats desperate for encouragement and approval.... if anything it seems they are courting the complete opposite.

I know the hobby is in danger.... but, then again, as the world becomes more moronic and driven by market forces alone, show me a hobby of any worth that isn't dying. There are many factors, that I won't go into here, for why that is happening on a worldwide scale and I'm fairly sure disgruntled customers on an obscure forum are not one of them :D

They would have my full support if they just stopped giving updates that have a whiff of the Nigerian Email Scam about them! Cut the promises and "two weeks", "Soon", "In a few days" rubbish... that is what is causing all the ill will! Sure... there are those out there who don't appreciate just how much work it takes/will take, how small the team is etc but that is life!

[bongodriver]

Again, a fair point, but how about the hobby disappearing because the dev team can't do it properly? I'm sure they're not sat on the edge of their seats desperate for encouragement and approval.... if anything it seems they are courting the complete opposite.

I know the hobby is in danger.... but, then again, as the world becomes more moronic and driven by market forces alone, show me a hobby of any worth that isn't dying. There are many factors, that I won't go into here, for why that is happening on a worldwide scale and I'm fairly sure disgruntled customers on an obscure forum are not one of them :D

They would have my full support if they just stopped giving updates that have a whiff of the Nigerian Email Scam about them! Cut the promises and "two weeks", "Soon", "In a few days" rubbish... that is what is causing all the ill will! Sure... there are those out there who don't appreciate just how much work it takes/will take, how small the team is etc but that is life!


The weekly updates were 'demanded' by the impatient community who don't seem to have anything else in their lives but the F5 key.

So if you are ever faced with watching something you hold dear slowly dying right in front of you the best course of action would be to slap it round the face and constantly remind it it is failing at survival?

[6S.Tamat]

The weekly updates were 'demanded' by the impatient community who don't seem to have anything else in their lives but the F5 key.

So if you are ever faced with watching something you hold dear slowly dying right in front of you the best course of action would be to slap it round the face and constantly remind it it is failing at survival?


The weekly updates are a good opportunity for the developers to interact with their customer base. Interact with us is now vital to resolve the lack of trust given by the problems, to demonstrate as well as possible that they are working in the right direction. The fact that they don't use it well is a shame.

[Volksieg]

The weekly updates were 'demanded' by the impatient community who don't seem to have anything else in their lives but the F5 key.

So if you are ever faced with watching something you hold dear slowly dying right in front of you the best course of action would be to slap it round the face and constantly remind it it is failing at survival?

Maybe.. depends what mood I was in :D (Joke!)

Even the demands for updates.... at least that shows that the customer base are still passionate about their hobby! When the demanding stops..... then we really are in trouble!

[bongodriver]

The weekly updates are a good opportunity for the developers to interact with their customer base. Interact with us is now vital to resolve the lack of trust given by the problems, to demonstrate as well as possible that they are working in the right direction. The fact that they don't use it well is a shame.

Yet everytime they do interact with us they just get slammed for making excuses.

[bongodriver]

Maybe.. depends what mood I was in :D (Joke!)

Even the demands for updates.... at least that shows that the customer base are still passionate about their hobby! When the demanding stops..... then we really are in trouble!


Perhaps.....I just wish there was more 'dignity' that the begging and demanding.

[Volksieg]

Perhaps.....I just wish there was more 'dignity' that the begging and demanding.

Well.. I long for the days when people had more dignity in whatever they did.... sadly that seems like a pipe dream in these days of reality TV and entitlement culture. ;) ...grumble...mumble..kids these days... etc :D

[6S.Tamat]

Yet everytime they do interact with us they just get slammed for making excuses.

A very general and basic rule of marketing is that if your customers are not satisfied then you are doing something wrong.
Then you can say that the customers act like kids and i wouldn't necessarily agree, but from those kids are coming their money.

[Volksieg]

a very general and basic rule of marketing is that if your customers are not satisfied then you are doing something wrong.
Then you can say that the customers act like kids and i wouldn't necessarily agree, but from those kids are coming their money.

bingo

[Force10]

Do you really think the whingeing on this forum is actually doing anything usefull? it just fills the forum with sensless rubbish and makes it an unpleasant place for everyone

People shouldn't apologize for having a negative opinion about the lack of any positive progress on fixing this mess. Please, spare us the "hand wringing" about the forum being an unpleasant place because you jump in with both feet and feel you need to respond to every complaint. Your posts to complaints don't accomplish a darn thing either, they just fill up the forums with even more rubbish. I guess you have nothing better to do anyway. If it really bothered you that much you would just ignore it.

Yeah it wil act as a warning ok, it will just warn everyone involved including developers that flight sims are an extremely volatile area and nobody will ever bother with them again



Well, we don't have a functioning flight sim now, so we have lost nothing. (except $50)

[TheBurnerCoD]

This is shameful, and above van banning people say what they think

[MegOhm]

What happened to the big announcement in June?

Pure speculation but ponder this...although a different era...DCS beat them to it with Combined Arms

[bongodriver]

A very general and basic rule of marketing is that if your customers are not satisfied then you are doing something wrong.
Then you can say that the customers act like kids and i wouldn't necessarily agree, but from those kids are coming their money.


That rule applies to everything, if someone is complaining the someone is doing something wrong, hence why people are complaining about the whingeing....it's just wrong don't do it, ask for your money back from the developers and go on with your lives.

[3ra_Luke]

yeah a really disappointing update, because i think at this point, the majority is not interested in wip screenshots of a project we dont know anything about, while we are all waiting now more than half a year for a patch to come out....
but im not at all surprised anymore with this.
what i am surprised about is, that i am not interested in their future project, for now at least.
i remember waiting for the CLOD development updates, as excited as like a little child waiting for xmas.
if you had told me in the past, that all my excitement will be gone one and a half years after the release of CLOD and directly before the announcement of their sequel, i had not believed it.

Agree 100%. Perfect explanation of my feelings.

[furbs]

That rule applies to everything, if someone is complaining the someone is doing something wrong, hence why people are complaining about the whingeing....it's just wrong don't do it, ask for your money back from the developers and go on with your lives.

You cant get your money back for CLOD, i tried.

[bongodriver]

You cant get your money back for CLOD, i tried.

Did you? care to share the process you wen't through and the resulting correspondence involved?

[furbs]

Steam do not give refunds.

[Volksieg]

Steam do not give refunds.

That be the truth! Also, if bought in disk form, because it has to be activated via steam (Can only be done once per disk) you can't sell it to a second hand games shop either.

[bongodriver]

What about the 'sales of goods act' here in the UK that apparently cannot be overriden by 'terms and conditions agreements'

[Volksieg]

What about the 'sales of goods act' here in the UK that apparently cannot be overriden by 'terms and conditions agreements'

That only counts for things one actually 'owns'. Most software isn't technically owned by the purchaser.... they merely pay money to use the software. It's like a licence and, hence, doesn't come under the "Sale of goods act" otherwise I'd be hassling people for a refund of the TV licence. lol

Even if one could argue that one 'owns' the disk (If you bought it in box form) and, therefore, are entitled to an exchange and/or refund due to the product being faulty.... that doesn't cut any mustard either as the disk itself is undamaged and the software on the disk is in the condition it was on release and, therefore, is not legally faulty. Rather like trying to return a "Florence and the Machine" CD in a music shop because she is awful.... sorry... just because it sounds awful, the music is "as intended" :D (That shocked me! First time I heard that band I nearly took my TV back to Currys. lol)

[Strike]

This explains it all!

Edit: May be slightly OT, you judge


http://i.imgur.com/FXp9P.jpg

The frog resembles luthier (figuratively speaking), holding the baby beta (which is a freak). The skeleton, well that's us :p

Captions anyone?

Skeleton:

"Awww cmoooon, let us try it now. It's a little messed up, but its still a betadpole :p"

Frog:

"Two weeks, or over my dead body!"

[Volksieg]

This explains it all!

Edit: May be slightly OT, you judge


http://i.imgur.com/FXp9P.jpg

Even if it is deemed OT that is a mighty fine picture and no mistake! :D

[bongodriver]

That only counts for things one actually 'owns'. Most software isn't technically owned by the purchaser.... they merely pay money to use the software. It's like a licence and, hence, doesn't come under the "Sale of goods act".

Even if one could argue that one 'owns' the disk (If you bought it in box form) and, therefore, are entitled to an exchange due to the product being faulty.... that doesn't cut any mustard either as the disk itself is undamaged and the software on the disk is in the condition it was on release and, therefore, is not faulty. Rather like trying to return a "Florence and the Machine" CD in a music shop because she is awful.... sorry... just because it sounds awful, the music is "as intended" :D

But surely if the game is as 'broken' as claimed then Steam would have no grounds to deny a refund, it's got nothing to do with the physical condition of the disk, back it all up with all the 'crash logs' you collected over the time and you have proof it doesn't work, the music comparisson doesn't work because at every music retail point you have the chance to listen to a sample so much more opportunity to research your purchase.

some interesting points and advice in this forum thread...

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?567062-Is-it-possible-to-get-a-refund-from-steam

Just reading Steams t's and C's and giving up at the first hurdle is not trying really.

[Volksieg]

the music comparisson doesn't work because at every music retail point you have the chance to listen to a sample so much more opportunity to research your purchase.


Don't be so pedantic! Can't you see when a man is aching for an opportunity to take a swipe at hipster music? :D I suppose your point does answer the question "Why no demo?" though....

Your suggestions would be worth a go, probably, but I wouldn't expect much results... Steam are very possibly in league with the devil himself so their lawyers would run circles around most folks. :D

EDIT: "As with most downloadable software products, we do not offer refunds for purchases made through Steam - please review Section 4 of the Steam Subscriber Agreement for more information.
Steam Subscriber Agreement" Hmmm... that could offer hope to someone with a silver tongue, an eye for technicalities and a boxed edition. :D

[bongodriver]

Don't be so pedantic! Can't you see when a man is aching for an opportunity to take a swipe at hipster music? :D

Your suggestions would be worth a go, probably, but I wouldn't expect much results... Steam are very possibly in league with the devil himself so their lawyers would run circles around most folks. :D


Well Ok.....fair point, I so wanted to like Florence because it isn't rap or other crap Simon Cowell shoves in our ears but I just can't warm to it.

People seem to have endless energy for complaining on this forum so why do they chicken out just because Steam has T's and C's?

[Volksieg]

Well Ok.....fair point, I so wanted to like Florence because it isn't rap or other crap Simon Cowell shoves in our ears but I just can't warm to it.

People seem to have endless energy for complaining on this forum so why do they chicken out just because Steam has T's and C's?

Yeah.. I wanted to like them after hearing how "creative" they are. :D "Chicken in a basket" Kate Bush. :D

[No1 Cheese]

You know what, a year or so ago i would have thought that we would have been looking at pics of Hampdens,Whirlwinds or Lysanders etc etc etc apart from LA what ever.Am i the only one that feels like this,so much promised so little given. I feel HAD.
Ive backed this game up so much in the past(even telling my numerous Squad mates that all will be good in the end) when is the end of this joke(wanted to say bullshit but thought i would get banned)
Pics of the sequel what we dont want dont really work does it???
Want pics of the game(no we dont really!!) that we was promised.
I spent days trying to make missions for the die hard Squad mates over Christmas period(really got into it) XMAS PERIOD that was 6 months ago and nothing worked then and NOTHING has changed.I dont think they know the time people spend(that they cant get back) on trying to make this thing work.
Its soooo unimpressive now its boring.
I check this forum for the pilots page(which has some really interesting posts)and the skins page.
Apart from that its a joke.

Cheese

[Force10]

People seem to have endless energy for complaining on this forum so why do they chicken out just because Steam has T's and C's?


I would think you should be happy not too many have tried to get a refund. Can you imagine if everyone who was unhappy with the game got a refund? The only ones left here would be you,Ace,robtek and a few ATAG guys. Not enough to fund a speak and spell version of the game.(even though I'm starting to think that's what the game was coded with...lol) Be thankful enough gamers got the shaft.

[Tigertooo]

As Blackdog_kt pointed out in page 9 of this thread, it seems i can ask questions about the update in a polite way.I also have the right to express if i am displeased or not with this update. So here i go:
The question to the Devs team is the following: although vague in the update, can the Devs confirm there will be a a solid patch that will solve most bugs that are forwarded the last six months and earlier?
Will this patch be released in a reasonable time, such as 1 month or 2 monthts the latest?
If i get a possitive answer on both questions i will be a happy custumor.If i get no answer, i want to use my right to be displeased and in that case i would suggest to the Devs to hire a bus, cross the channel, where they will see at Biggin Hill, Hawkinge etc... the following grave:

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/Tigertooo/kruis5.jpg

[kristorf]

:rolleyes: ;)

[HeavyDelta]

Not to point out any one person, but if you are still shaking your pom poms for this development team, you have an overdeveloped sense of customer loyalty and a profound lack of self-awareness while being played the fool.:???:

[Catseye]

I looked at the Russian forum this morning and found that most of the posts are all-a-giggle about the upcoming Battle for Moscow and really thrilled about the LA-5.

Very little negativity as in this forum regarding lack of the next patch. Most of the discussion is about the LA-5 and guessing that there will be a FW-109 in the works.

Two different market wants?

Two different market expectations?

I wonder which one will carry the most weight?

Just asking.

[Ze-Jamz]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss356/craigies6pack/bellend.jpg

[Force10]

http://test.sparkletags.com/import/graphics/Award_Certificates_And_Ribbons/AwarddramaqueenGold.png


Geez Ace, couldn't you have at least faked my name in there before you re-gifted it?

[Force10]

Are you not you?

I haven't gone by you in years. I hear you still do though.

[JG52Uther]

This is a discussion thread for the update.
Some of you might want to revisit what you have posted. Just saying.

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

I looked at the Russian forum this morning and found that most of the posts are all-a-giggle about the upcoming Battle for Moscow and really thrilled about the LA-5.

Very little negativity as in this forum regarding lack of the next patch. Most of the discussion is about the LA-5 and guessing that there will be a FW-109 in the works.

Two different market wants?

Two different market expectations?

I wonder which one will carry the most weight?

Just asking.

Hey Catseye,

The "fans" of pc ww2 cfs in the euro and americas seem to be hell bent on making the genre extinct.

Remember that georgous train they made and so many flamed it... there doing the same to new planes now!


And by the way...if there not flying or buying the sequel we should charge for there forum use.

[Attila]

The weekly updates were 'demanded' by the impatient community who don't seem to have anything else in their lives but the F5 button

That makes me speechless bongodriver! How many posts have you written? About 1800? Do YOU have a life?

[bongodriver]

That makes me speechless bongodriver! How many posts have you written? About 1800? Do YOU have a life?

Why? does a post count quantify as evidence?

[[URU]AkeR]

Love the La5 screens, looking forward to the sequel, will buy it right away.
A great patch is coming for CLOD! HSFX 6 for IL21946 is out! Ghost Skies Online war west front 1944 stage 2 is starting tonight! URU squad is running a great DCG campaign with iL2 4.11.1!
I dont even have time to complain.
Life is sweet. Thank you 1C and Il2 comunitty!

[smink1701]

AkeR;437131']Love the La5 screens, looking forward to the sequel, will buy it right away.
A great patch is coming for CLOD! HSFX 6 for IL21946 is out! Ghost Skies Online war west front 1944 stage 2 is starting tonight! URU squad is running a great DCG campaign with iL2 4.11.1!
I dont even have time to complain.
Life is sweet. Thank you 1C and Il2 comunitty!

Good to hear from you Luthier

[Skoshi Tiger]

Well - this delay is costing me a fortune: I am back to photography, and as you know all that new Nikon FF stuff is not exactly cheap ... body only is several times more expensive than a new PC. Not to mention the photo editing software, the cheapest one costs 2x the CloD collectors edition!

I know what you mean.

Did you know some people paid as little as $17.00 for COD.

Geting a decent paint job on my car would be $10,000 at todays rates, by the time I could get it to way I would like your looking at close to $20,000

I just spent about $7,500 on a new outboard for my boat.

And every so often I get the erge to get a medical and renew the currency on my pilots license. Cheapest plane is about $170AUD an hour, without an instructor.

At that rate CODs saved me nearly $46,000! And I spend about half the time flying in COD as I would like. I only get to snatch an hour hear and there throughout the week. Oh the joys of family!

Hope they get that patch out soon. It will cost us a fortune if they don't!

[bongodriver]

I had my class 1 medical renewal today £240 bloody quid because my audiogram and ecg were due.

[Hippy Druid]

Steam do not give refunds.

Sorry, but this is simply untrue. Steam do - depending on the circumstances - provide refunds. Prehaps your local laws allow them to sidestep the request, but this is certainly not the case where I live.

Back on topic:

The new plane looks alright, it's a bit disappointing further fixes are not yet available. However I did buy the game with the understanding there were issues.
...and so we wait.

[[URU]AkeR]

Good to hear from you Luthier

LOL, so you like the "no patch this week it´s the end of the world!!" posts better i presume.

But, you see, it is not the end of the world for me, i know there will be a patch, and further development of CLOD, i enjoy CLOD as it is right now, and i am still having a blast with IL2 1946, and im sure i will for many more years, even when clod gets better and better.

In fact i been having so many hours of fun for many years with IL2 1946 that i will keep supporting the developer, because they did it once and i´m sure they will do it again with CLOD and its sequels.

So, if I respect your right to be angry please respect my right to be happy, thank you.

[Rjel]

I'm so thankful that I've finally realized I haven't any reason to be disappointed in the direction CoD's development. Before it being driven home so forcefully by some posters here, I never knew paint jobs were so expensive, family so valuable, life so blessed that the few dollars I spent on this sim rules out any reason to be disappointed. As an end user, I feel so responsible now for the lack of a final patch because of negative thoughts. I'm sorry if I ever said anything to derail the development team's sense of self worth. I'm soooo sorry.

[Continu0]

Somehow, it amuses me to see that people are complaining about a unfinished patch not being released, for a game they complain to be released unfinished....

Doesn´t work out with my logic-module...:confused::rolleyes::grin:

[satchenko]

I´m so bored with this S...

[shibidiboo25]

why do you guys do nothing but whine and gripe? at least they are working on it, if you have so much time to fing cry over it why not help. honestly if you can't be part of the solution I guess you would rather cry over the problem. If you can't do anything to help than IMO you have no right to complain, again at least their working on it and trying their best to satisfy you people well the majority anyway not saying the same thing about everyone. If they didn't care there wouldn't even of been this small fix up patch to try and make people happy, they didn't even want to release it till it was complete which it wasn't and people are complaining that it's not good enough, well duh. This fix wasnt even a beta it was an Alpha, just they fell prey to the demand of people. It's like, cooking a turkey than complaining its cooking too slow so you eat it the way it is, than complain about horrible it taste, well no duh cuz it wasn't done cooking but just had to have it now. so please i ask, don't complain, let them do their job, you guys arnt making it any easier on them, you think they have it so easy that its something they should just be done with already? do some of you know how to program the kind of gaming engine they use? if you do than you should go be part of the solution and not the problem, otherwise stop your whining cuz your not helping anyone.

[tintifaxl]

why do you guys do nothing but whine and gripe? at least they are working on it,

The gripe I have is: they do not commit enough man power to fix CloD. How do I know? Progress is much too slow.

[robtek]

The gripe I have is: they do not commit enough man power to fix CloD. How do I know? Progress is much too slow.

The progress is too slow?
compared to what?
your insufficient patience maybe?
When your car is in the shop for repairs it is also ready when its ready, and if they find some more faults you have to live with them or wait until its done.

[Bungmiester]

I disagree if you bought a car and they still had not fixed it in over a year, I think you would have every right to have a good winge:evil:

[Force10]

The progress is too slow?
compared to what?
your insufficient patience maybe?


Anyone else think it's absolutley ludicrous that robtek keeps insulting everyone by say they lack patience because waiting for a year to use a product you purchased isn't patient enough? It's really getting old. If that isn't blatant fanboism I don't know what is.

[Continu0]

You are on the right way to lead one more of these sensless discusions. A car is not a software.

Just let it be guys, we can´t change anything.






If every minute spent on discusions like this were used to create missions or whatever.... just imagine...

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

Anyone else think it's absolutley ludicrous that robtek keeps insulting everyone by say they lack patience because waiting for a year to use a product you purchased isn't patient enough? It's really getting old. If that isn't blatant fanboism I don't know what is.

I fear you're rising to the bait Force10,any fool who had read all of yesterdays posts could only draw to one conclusion,Robtek is more than in his right to disagree,it is a free world.

[JG53Frankyboy]

i personally was surprised to see the La5 , because with that MG is leaving the scenario timeframe of the Battle of Moskau ( aka german operation Taifun and its soviet counteroffensive ).
So it will be again something from all but nothing complete , planesetwise ?! But this MMO thing is still somewhere behind the horizont.....

We will see when they will make the official announcement -that i really would have expected on june 22 , start of Barbarossa 41.

[Sutts]

I'm happy because:

1. They are still working on patching the product

2. They have the motivation to get it right as the sequel depends on it in a big way

It is unfortunate that it's taking so long to fix but it seems that Luthier inherited a big mess that has taken big work to sort out. Given time all will come good.


Try multiplying any delivery estimates by 3 and feel the stress reduce.

[Ploughman]

TnkU4upd4teLuvLa5:)No109F:(?WTF!!!WenUfxPatch?

[kendo65]

Is that Welsh Gaelic, Ploughman?

Bit different from the Irish variety. ;)

[DD_crash]

Its textspeak innit (lol)

[carguy_]

Anyone else think it's absolutley ludicrous that robtek keeps insulting everyone by say they lack patience because waiting for a year to use a product you purchased isn't patient enough? It's really getting old. If that isn't blatant fanboism I don't know what is.
You have selective memory it seems. You don`t mind others insulting Luthier/BlackSix or posting impolite complaints for multiple pages. The only thing boring is your whining. Do others a favor and find something else to do in your life.

[Gourmand]

where is the patch update said in the title of this thread?
are they a link ?

[Pudfark]

You have selective memory it seems. You don`t mind others insulting Luthier/BlackSix or posting impolite complaints for multiple pages. The only thing boring is your whining. Do others a favor and find something else to do in your life.

Depending on what is said Monday?
Many others, along with myself, are
probably going to take yer advice.
Thanx for the Valet Ballet.:)

[philip.ed]

You have selective memory it seems. You don`t mind others insulting Luthier/BlackSix or posting impolite complaints for multiple pages. The only thing boring is your whining. Do others a favor and find something else to do in your life.

The same could be said for you.

Those in glass houses...

[andrea78]

If - I said if - this game will be fixed, it will be outdated. Just now it look as 2006 game... :(

[robtek]

It is still the best looking WWII CFS, period!

[Jatta Raso]

You have selective memory it seems. You don`t mind others insulting Luthier/BlackSix or posting impolite complaints for multiple pages. The only thing boring is your whining. Do others a favor and find something else to do in your life.

then let the devs or the moderators do their own defense; the fact that A insults B doesn't legitimate C insulting A on B's behalf, aside that insult doesn't legitimate insult. it's simple logic applied to some ethic.

besides, YOU of all people to talk about morale. some selective memory that you have about YOURSELF. blatantly calling stupid and the such to others just because you don't like their views. long history of that you have pal...

not personal

[Jatta Raso]

It is still the best looking WWII CFS, period!

agreed. but that's not the end of it...

[Frequent_Flyer]

I get the impression that 1C/COD is waiting to be rescued. A year of updates ( a few empty words and screen shots) an essentially no meaningful progress. Showing us sqreen shots of the BOM,is tantamount to trying to sell us next years DeLorean model. They need to be aquired by a profit driven Western concern to complete the necessary remedies post haste. Unfortunately, flight sims are not in demand relative to other forms of software entertainment.
The reality of the matter is the younger demographics have no problem dropping $ 50-60 on a Xbox game many times over( although my two are in colledge now, they still habitually purchase titles). The big advantage is reliability and user friendly products. No crash to desk top , or lag and slow down of graphics.

[carguy_]

besides, YOU of all people to talk about morale. some selective memory that you have about YOURSELF. blatantly calling stupid and the such to others just because you don't like their views. long history of that you have pal...

not personal
Sorry but 1C/Maddox Games is not responsible for you having trouble with yourself, not being able to get over the case of a buggy game. You have trouble with psyche instability, take it somwhere else, maybe medical forum of some sort.

[Al Schlageter]

Sorry but 1C/Maddox Games is not responsible for you having trouble with yourself, not being able to get over the case of a buggy game. You have trouble with psyche instability, take it somwhere else, maybe medical forum of some sort.

I see a Rule infraction. Others have got demerit point for far less.

[Force10]

It is still the best looking WWII CFS, period!

I would think most of us would like something that functions as a WWII simulator instead of something that just "looks good".

[Jatta Raso]

Sorry but 1C/Maddox Games is not responsible for you having trouble with yourself, not being able to get over the case of a buggy game. You have trouble with psyche instability, take it somwhere else, maybe medical forum of some sort.

LOL. i play the game. i'm UFO_113 on ATAG
(http://216.52.148.29:2012/ATAGStats/ATAGStatsV1.html)

the fact is you just can't stand me calling you out. no trouble, i'm not the 'ignore' or 'report' kind of guy, some heated answers aside i take this very sportingly. you're part of the show :cool:

[andrea78]

I would think most of us would like something that functions as a WWII simulator instead of something that just "looks good".

Are DCS games miracles? Looking at Clod the answer seem yes! :grin:
In '80-'90s the answer to criticism to the poor simulator graphics was: Are you mad??? Don't you know how sims are resource-consuming??? I do not think that nothing is changed. When IL-2 was on shelfs was a great game even considering graphics (I remember how fantastic was the demo compared to others sim) and it was not the only case.

[stephan87]

i think that they are using The 90% of time in some another Game (maybe in the next CoD). And the 10% in CoD patch.

I think that in their free time they work in CoD PATCH.

[bongodriver]

i think that they are using The 90% of time in some another Game (maybe in the next CoD). And the 10% in CoD patch.

I think that in their free time they work in CoD PATCH.


Actually I think you'll find the 3D artists are working 100% on the sequel while the coders are working 100% on COD because COD is the engine for the new sequel.......I'm sure this has been explained before.

[Rjel]

Actually I think you'll find the 3D artists are working 100% on the sequel while the coders are working 100% on COD because COD is the engine for the new sequel.......I'm sure this has been explained before.

Explained yes. As yet proven with any degree of confidence, not so much.

[bongodriver]

Explained yes. As yet proven with any degree of confidence, not so much.

I could say the same for the wild and speculative conspiracy theories too.

[SQB]

Guys, please, I am seeing far too many personal attacks (no matter how well wished) for my liking, you guys are risking infractions and bans and, moreover, bringing down the quality of the forums. It's understandable, and I know it feels like the devs have left us here to fester sometimes, but just hold back on it until we see some work on COD to interrogate :rolleyes:

Meanwhile, those of you who tested the beta of DCS BS or Warthog know full well that games take a helluva lot of work to get right, the engine those games used was not new at all, rather an expansion of the old LOMAC engine, and still took at least half a year to get rid of game breaking bugs.

IL2 CloD *needed* this kind of beta test, but it didn't happen, so it seems we're now the beta testers. It's not a perfect scenario, but that's how it is. The engine is almost completely new, and as such there are many, many more bugs than would occur just in an upgrade, and the engine needs a ton more work, as is being currently done. Be patient, it's summertime in the US so you guys should be outside, us winter-folk can find other things to pass the time. And the game is playable (for most) at the moment, even in this half-completed state there are many players on the ATAG and REPKA servers.

So guys, calm down, be patient, if need be take a break from the forum. This engine we have now is incredible in its graphics and physics, consider it as an engine demonstration, I am confident anything built on it in the future (BoM for example) will be fantastic.

[Kobold10]

Guys, please, I am seeing far too many personal attacks (no matter how well wished) for my liking, you guys are risking infractions and bans and, moreover, bringing down the quality of the forums. It's understandable, and I know it feels like the devs have left us here to fester sometimes, but just hold back on it until we see some work on COD to interrogate :rolleyes:

Meanwhile, those of you who tested the beta of DCS BS or Warthog know full well that games take a helluva lot of work to get right, the engine those games used was not new at all, rather an expansion of the old LOMAC engine, and still took at least half a year to get rid of game breaking bugs.

IL2 CloD *needed* this kind of beta test, but it didn't happen, so it seems we're now the beta testers. It's not a perfect scenario, but that's how it is. The engine is almost completely new, and as such there are many, many more bugs than would occur just in an upgrade, and the engine needs a ton more work, as is being currently done. Be patient, it's summertime in the US so you guys should be outside, us winter-folk can find other things to pass the time. And the game is playable (for most) at the moment, even in this half-completed state there are many players on the ATAG and REPKA servers.

So guys, calm down, be patient, if need be take a break from the forum. This engine we have now is incredible in its graphics and physics, consider it as an engine demonstration, I am confident anything built on it in the future (BoM for example) will be fantastic.

Perfect statement! I totally agree on that. Good things need time. Let us stay together and have a good time until the patch is there!!!

[Walrus1]

Guys, please, I am seeing far too many personal attacks (no matter how well wished) for my liking, you guys are risking infractions and bans and, moreover, bringing down the quality of the forums. It's understandable, and I know it feels like the devs have left us here to fester sometimes, but just hold back on it until we see some work on COD to interrogate :rolleyes:

Meanwhile, those of you who tested the beta of DCS BS or Warthog know full well that games take a helluva lot of work to get right, the engine those games used was not new at all, rather an expansion of the old LOMAC engine, and still took at least half a year to get rid of game breaking bugs.

IL2 CloD *needed* this kind of beta test, but it didn't happen, so it seems we're now the beta testers. It's not a perfect scenario, but that's how it is. The engine is almost completely new, and as such there are many, many more bugs than would occur just in an upgrade, and the engine needs a ton more work, as is being currently done. Be patient, it's summertime in the US so you guys should be outside, us winter-folk can find other things to pass the time. And the game is playable (for most) at the moment, even in this half-completed state there are many players on the ATAG and REPKA servers.

So guys, calm down, be patient, if need be take a break from the forum. This engine we have now is incredible in its graphics and physics, consider it as an engine demonstration, I am confident anything built on it in the future (BoM for example) will be fantastic.

+2.

This is a big, complicated piece of software. It is obviously taking a very long time to get it right. They may have overpromised regarding deadlines, but it is what it is. I am looking at the long picture.

[klem]

Good idea this 'discussion' thread. Imagine what the Update thread would have looked like (again) with all this crud in it.

Summary....
Blacksix: Sorry, nothing new. We're still working on it.
Community: Same old Same old. Pages of it. Nothing new. Still I suppose it lets off steam.

[mungee]

Guys, please, I am seeing far too many personal attacks (no matter how well wished) for my liking, you guys are risking infractions and bans and, moreover, bringing down the quality of the forums. It's understandable, and I know it feels like the devs have left us here to fester sometimes, but just hold back on it until we see some work on COD to interrogate :rolleyes:

Meanwhile, those of you who tested the beta of DCS BS or Warthog know full well that games take a helluva lot of work to get right, the engine those games used was not new at all, rather an expansion of the old LOMAC engine, and still took at least half a year to get rid of game breaking bugs.

IL2 CloD *needed* this kind of beta test, but it didn't happen, so it seems we're now the beta testers. It's not a perfect scenario, but that's how it is. The engine is almost completely new, and as such there are many, many more bugs than would occur just in an upgrade, and the engine needs a ton more work, as is being currently done. Be patient, it's summertime in the US so you guys should be outside, us winter-folk can find other things to pass the time. And the game is playable (for most) at the moment, even in this half-completed state there are many players on the ATAG and REPKA servers.

So guys, calm down, be patient, if need be take a break from the forum. This engine we have now is incredible in its graphics and physics, consider it as an engine demonstration, I am confident anything built on it in the future (BoM for example) will be fantastic.

I couldn't agree more!

Flight sims are a niche market - we WANT them - we must prepared to put up with some delays - perhaps we may have to accept paying more for the product if we want it in the future - we don't want to scare developers off from what, for me anyway, is a very big part of our lives!!

[GF_Mastiff]

Most gaming niche, indie developments are doing just that ATM. It makes business since.

DCS is doing it, with new add ons , and new upgrade supports

Battlefront is doing it with there new Combat Missions series.

just you won't pay for technical updates or patches, just game
engine upgrades and such.

[joker68]

Just bought AeroFly FS and I'm spending some time doing aerobatics on Alps. :) Nuff time to sharpen skills until this patch comes out. It'll be done when it's done. :-P

[Fjordmonkey]

Guys, please, I am seeing far too many personal attacks (no matter how well wished) for my liking, you guys are risking infractions and bans and, moreover, bringing down the quality of the forums. It's understandable, and I know it feels like the devs have left us here to fester sometimes, but just hold back on it until we see some work on COD to interrogate :rolleyes:

Meanwhile, those of you who tested the beta of DCS BS or Warthog know full well that games take a helluva lot of work to get right, the engine those games used was not new at all, rather an expansion of the old LOMAC engine, and still took at least half a year to get rid of game breaking bugs.

IL2 CloD *needed* this kind of beta test, but it didn't happen, so it seems we're now the beta testers. It's not a perfect scenario, but that's how it is. The engine is almost completely new, and as such there are many, many more bugs than would occur just in an upgrade, and the engine needs a ton more work, as is being currently done. Be patient, it's summertime in the US so you guys should be outside, us winter-folk can find other things to pass the time. And the game is playable (for most) at the moment, even in this half-completed state there are many players on the ATAG and REPKA servers.

So guys, calm down, be patient, if need be take a break from the forum. This engine we have now is incredible in its graphics and physics, consider it as an engine demonstration, I am confident anything built on it in the future (BoM for example) will be fantastic.

What he said, pure and simple.

I'm glad that my patience is damn near unlimited, and that if the fears of many forum-dwellers come true (I.e. that CLoD will never be "finished" to an acceptable degree), I'll just write it up as a bad $50 investment. Which, quite frankly, isn't enough to make me get all riled up and get my knickers in a twist, balls in a bunch, and so on and so forth.

[=AN=Felipe]

But this is the truth... sad but pure truth

"I.e. that CLoD will never be "finished" to an acceptable degree"

109 over speed designs, spitfires ripped off IIa and Ia, curves of speed unaccurate, instruments in IIa are wrong, mixture was buged, and more and more bugs and not accurate settings, engines and balistic.......................................... ....

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[Fjordmonkey]

"I.e. that CLoD will never be "finished" to an acceptable degree"

We'll see, Felipe. We'll see. Until we do, I'll remain patient. *shrug*

[=AN=Felipe]

We'll see, Felipe. We'll see. Until we do, I'll remain patient. *shrug*

Seems like this, i hope i was very very wrong dear friend... Im very patient too :rolleyes:

[hiro]

At this point I've learned not to read so much in between the lines of what the devs say, nor really try to correct other people.

Some people will take anything to fulfill their desires / expectations / perceptions . . . and reading between the lines does that.

Not to have expectations in specific dates, but to have hope and the updates, while they do not have real meat, are an effort, that the devs are on the hunt and taking care of business.



People will complain, and one can see there is alot more quicker on this update. Before it'd take 2+ pages before the really negative comments roll out, this recent update it was first page.

But let them.


Marketing? how about the game not selling well . . . or the industry standard reviews knocking down this game.

One thing though, is its hard to recover from a bad reputation on the market . . . even though future products / services may be good.

Unless that company , organization falls under the category:

A) powerhouse (AMD)

B) entrenched with a unusual high market share (microsoft, vista and other fubars)

C) has a previous good reputation / track record (toyota)

D) has a fan following (apple)

E) household name / well known branding (pepsi)



amd had few years run of bad chips, ATI card shennanigans

toyota , hiding stuck gas pedal issue even when ppl killed in accidents until it got too much to hide

apple flaw was PC market, being more expensive and not delivering anything above intel based PC's . . . planned obsolescence, and breaking 3 series to force customers to upgrade to 4 series . . . ever try to update apps on a perfectly working 3 iphone a year ago . . .

pepsi was using aborted fetus parts for testing purposes and in formulas . . . Summer Time is Pepsi Time and Live For Now . . . indeed . . . they said they stopped using baby parts . . .


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As for details . . . like a/c speeds, or CEM bits and pieces . . . I think to devs must fix the game engine to work with everything first then they'll tackle the details . . .


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programming can be complicated, hence the time its taking, and the more complex things are, the harder it is.

look at this scenario: the Call of Duty series has lots of crew, they have hundreds millions of dollars in profit . . . 24 hours of release, they sold 4.7 millions copies for MW 2 . . . they have power houses in the game programming world, graphic artists, storyboarders, writers . . .

they can get the job done in quick amount of time, a year or two . . .

Their game is complicated with features, but on the complex order say for animals, MW 2 would be a fish, frog, or salamander.

Then you have Cliffs, the complexity (projected future) for its game engine alone is on the order of a ape or chimpanzee. Then you have each aircraft / and then weapons etc . ..


But there is no 300 spartan + 7000 best greek hoplites programmers in the house. there is no US navy of graphics, or US airforce of writers or uS army of q/a teams and nearly unlimited supplies / budget that the Fish / Frog / Salamander complicated game has .

Without the excessive quality and numbers that MW 2 commands, getting a working game in 1-2 years isn't a reality for the Ape / Chimpanzee game team.

That is why this game is taking a long time. Its complicated, much more than the top 40 games; they don't have the numbers and money that "other popular games" have. They do have a talented team, however its small scraps (in terms of numbers) compared to what MW 2's team roster can muster on a bad day when everyone's calling in sick, dead, or the dog ate the tablet scenario.

So its taking time.



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[Icebear]

So its taking time.

You're talking about another 6 or 7 years ? :shock:

[Ali Fish]

This project is being worked on a demand basis. the devs want you shouting and raving about getting the patch, thats the demand aspect.

the demand aspect fuels the supply aspect. as long as you lot are ranting and raving about it all, the devs are smiling because they know you want what they are making. and i guess they will attempt to supply that.

Nothing is going to speed it up. Its finished when its finished anything else is below par. have we not already experienced this ?

personally i dont want anything from it. there really is better fish to fly lol. i consider my 30 GBP the first sacrifice ive had where demand is concerned. i wont make this mistake again.

here is a fact im quite happy with. i want working top of the line flight-sim, without any lies, and with a clear end goal and constructive approach to getting to that goal. its as simple as that. working as intended.

i wont be happy or content...
1 if CLOD requires any other payware.
2 if CLOD succesfully patched, ill give them a second chance. but CLOD better blow me away, the 101 hours ive spent in it must still be blown away by the expereinces with that.
3. if clod isnt patched to my expectation, you dont get another sale 1C, its as simple as that.
4. if CLOD gets superceeded by your next product entirely, you dont get that sale either.
5. if you continue to pay me disrespect through moderators own person opinion and personal interpretation of the rules that takes me to the extent of getting banned. you dont get a sale.

i wont stop commenting untill the outcome of this is confirmed and put to bed. but believe me and i think i speak for most people here 1C, you better get your cards in order with what you deem acceptable next time we have financial dealings with you. and interuption to the patch via this new title you and you only that deem acceptable. IS NOT ACCEPTABLE ! i wont be manipulated and i dont think anyone else will be now.

wether we speak now or later, there is only 1 loser and thats you 1C. Ive got other enjoyable simulators to play around in. you dont. its your business. its your carreer, "normally" people have some pride in that. pick your path and please this community.

[NervousEnergy]

i consider my 30 GBP the first sacrifice ive had where demand is concerned. i wont make this mistake again.

...

... the 101 hours ive spent in it must still be blown away by the expereinces with that.

You've spent 30 GBP for 101 hours of entertainment and you still want to be 'blown away'? Wow... tough crowd. I got 15 hours of entertainment from Max Payne 3 for $60, and consider it money well spent. I've not got a lot more in CloD... perhaps 20 hours, and I'd also consider that money well spent, though it's not nearly the hour/dollar value I've gotten out of IL2 with perhaps 2500 virtual hours over 7 years of online play.

I want to see well-populated servers running a variety of missions and gameplay parameters, and I think I've got another 2-4 months to wait. I'd bet most of the performance issues will get ironed out within the next 2-3 weeks, but online really needs a dedicated client, and I'm not sure where we are with that. But I've still gotten plenty of entertainment out of CloD even in it's current state.

[theOden]

..5. if you continue to pay me disrespect through moderators own person opinion and personal interpretation of the rules that takes me to the extent of getting banned...
Been there, Done that, but I were you I wouldn't hold my breath on this.

[FS~Phat]

This project is being worked on a demand basis. the devs want you shouting and raving about getting the patch, thats the demand aspect.

the demand aspect fuels the supply aspect. as long as you lot are ranting and raving about it all, the devs are smiling because they know you want what they are making. and i guess they will attempt to supply that.

Nothing is going to speed it up. Its finished when its finished anything else is below par. have we not already experienced this ?

personally i dont want anything from it. there really is better fish to fly lol. i consider my 30 GBP the first sacrifice ive had where demand is concerned. i wont make this mistake again.

here is a fact im quite happy with. i want working top of the line flight-sim, without any lies, and with a clear end goal and constructive approach to getting to that goal. its as simple as that. working as intended.

i wont be happy or content...
1 if CLOD requires any other payware.
2 if CLOD succesfully patched, ill give them a second chance. but CLOD better blow me away, the 101 hours ive spent in it must still be blown away by the expereinces with that.
3. if clod isnt patched to my expectation, you dont get another sale 1C, its as simple as that.
4. if CLOD gets superceeded by your next product entirely, you dont get that sale either.
5. if you continue to pay me disrespect through moderators own person opinion and personal interpretation of the rules that takes me to the extent of getting banned. you dont get a sale.

i wont stop commenting untill the outcome of this is confirmed and put to bed. but believe me and i think i speak for most people here 1C, you better get your cards in order with what you deem acceptable next time we have financial dealings with you. and interuption to the patch via this new title you and you only that deem acceptable. IS NOT ACCEPTABLE ! i wont be manipulated and i dont think anyone else will be now.

wether we speak now or later, there is only 1 loser and thats you 1C. Ive got other enjoyable simulators to play around in. you dont. its your business. its your carreer, "normally" people have some pride in that. pick your path and please this community.

Ok thats enough dont you think? I have just read all your latest posts over the last 6 months and its clear you dont like the game or have a very high opinion of 1C so I suggest you go find something else to do. You have continually attacked the devs and anyone that says anything contrary to your view. Enough! Last warning, your not being constructive your just being abusive and it wont be tolerated.

[ATAG_Septic]

This project is being worked on a demand basis. the devs want you shouting and raving about getting the patch, thats the demand aspect.

the demand aspect fuels the supply aspect. as long as you lot are ranting and raving about it all, the devs are smiling because they know you want what they are making. and i guess they will attempt to supply that.

Nothing is going to speed it up. Its finished when its finished anything else is below par. have we not already experienced this ?

personally i dont want anything from it. there really is better fish to fly lol. i consider my 30 GBP the first sacrifice ive had where demand is concerned. i wont make this mistake again.

here is a fact im quite happy with. i want working top of the line flight-sim, without any lies, and with a clear end goal and constructive approach to getting to that goal. its as simple as that. working as intended.

i wont be happy or content...
1 if CLOD requires any other payware.
2 if CLOD succesfully patched, ill give them a second chance. but CLOD better blow me away, the 101 hours ive spent in it must still be blown away by the expereinces with that.
3. if clod isnt patched to my expectation, you dont get another sale 1C, its as simple as that.
4. if CLOD gets superceeded by your next product entirely, you dont get that sale either.
5. if you continue to pay me disrespect through moderators own person opinion and personal interpretation of the rules that takes me to the extent of getting banned. you dont get a sale.

i wont stop commenting untill the outcome of this is confirmed and put to bed. but believe me and i think i speak for most people here 1C, you better get your cards in order with what you deem acceptable next time we have financial dealings with you. and interuption to the patch via this new title you and you only that deem acceptable. IS NOT ACCEPTABLE ! i wont be manipulated and i dont think anyone else will be now.

wether we speak now or later, there is only 1 loser and thats you 1C. Ive got other enjoyable simulators to play around in. you dont. its your business. its your carreer, "normally" people have some pride in that. pick your path and please this community.

Good grief! How on earth do you survive in today's world with such a sense of entitlement? I'm saddened that the sim seems to have stalled but I have had many hours entertainment with it.

[Fjordmonkey]

but believe me and i think i speak for most people here 1C, you better get your cards in order with what you deem acceptable next time we have financial dealings with you. and interuption to the patch via this new title you and you only that deem acceptable. IS NOT ACCEPTABLE ! i wont be manipulated and i dont think anyone else will be now.

You do not speak for me. Not now, not ever. Some of us are far more patient than others, and I'd daresay that the silent majority of the boards far outweigh the screamers. Yes, we all want the game to be fixed to a high standard, but some of us are willing to wait for that to happen. And if it doesn't, well, them's the breaks, really. At that point I've spent some money on a product that turned out to be less than stellar, and that's OK. I got enjoyment out of it even if it wasn't perfect.

And in the end, that's all it comes down to: Each of our own sense of enjoyment.

[slick118]

What's the point in showcasing models for an upcoming sequel when the mechanics that this sequel will presumably use remain far, far from perfect? I am sorry, I don't post here much and read around a bit more than that, but I am beyond confused with 1C company logic. I find the whole "update" process quite insulting to be honest.

[Skoshi Tiger]

What's the point in showcasing models for an upcoming sequel when the mechanics that this sequel will presumably use remain far, far from perfect? I am sorry, I don't post here much and read around a bit more than that, but I am beyond confused with 1C company logic. I find the whole "update" process quite insulting to be honest.

Even though you (and the rest of the human race) are the current iteration of the 3 Billion years of selective breeding that has been forced on to you a harsh and malevolent God, it is quite obvious that you are still far from perfect, And you expect a computer game costing $17.00 to be perfect? Go figure! ;)

[Icebear]

Even though you (and the rest of the human race) are the current iteration of the 3 Billion years of selective breeding that has been forced on to you a harsh and malevolent God, it is quite obvious that you are still far from perfect, And you expect a computer game costing $17.00 to be perfect? Go figure! ;)

LOL ! What a bullsh*t comparison. Impudence and the ability of making abusive comments seems to be the result of "tried and failed selective breeding". Hmmm...seems that the best of me dropped on the cave floor some billion years ago. ;)

[NervousEnergy]

What's the point in showcasing models for an upcoming sequel when the mechanics that this sequel will presumably use remain far, far from perfect? I am sorry, I don't post here much and read around a bit more than that, but I am beyond confused with 1C company logic. I find the whole "update" process quite insulting to be honest.

Why not? The 3D modelers have nothing to do with coding the game engine, and I'm happy to see them still employed creating new aircraft models (the best evidence available the dev team is still committed to the sim and moving forward.) Why shouldn't they post the fruit of their labor? It's aircraft models... we wouldn't be here if we weren't passionately interested in WWII aircraft.

I'd rather see that then pictures of game engine coders staring at lines of code on a monitor. That's somewhat more relevant to moving the current state of the game forward, but visually it's as interesting as watching paint dry. More aircraft!

[Allons!]

Why not? The 3D modelers have nothing to do with coding the game engine, and I'm happy to see them still employed creating new aircraft models (the best evidence available the dev team is still committed to the sim and moving forward.)

Given that these modellers have already worked on the numerous errors posted in the bugtracker site instead of painting impressing La- whatevers. Greetz Allons!

[=AN=Apache]

Someone knows how many copies were sold of the CLOD? thanks

[Allons!]

Someone knows how many copies were sold of the CLOD? thanks

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/53111/il-2-sturmovik-cliffs-of-dover/

That is: 18.xxx copies worldwide with mostly 9k in 2011 and 9k in 2012

[=AN=Apache]

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/53111/il-2-sturmovik-cliffs-of-dover/

That is: 18.xxx copies worldwide with mostly 9k in 2011 and 9k in 2012

Thanks for the info ...

18k copies actually a mega failure, ahead of big game developers considering 100k copies a failure ...

I've been analyzing that there is this patch is released or are just buying time?

To this amount of sales actually his interest in pleasing the audience is very small. If it exists!

Now I understand why they try so hard to divert attention to the BOM with screeshots and reports on the development of the sequel.

Where are we going to stop?

[Warhound]

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/53111/il-2-sturmovik-cliffs-of-dover/

That is: 18.xxx copies worldwide with mostly 9k in 2011 and 9k in 2012

Seems to be retail only though. So all the digital copies aren't counted, nor do I see the yuplay/1C sales (Russia) listed.
But even with those added, the numbers won't be high and are unlikely to cover the cost of developing it.

[Fjordmonkey]

18k copies actually a mega failure, ahead of big game developers considering 100k copies a failure ...

18k copies might be a failure if you're talking about an MMO or an FPS/RTS, but you must remember that this is neither. This is a high-fidelity WW2 flightsim, which is a market that's incredibly narrow and has a very small fanbase in general. Is 18k copies low? In raw numbers, yes, it is. Viewed in light of how few simmers on this level there actually is, it might not be all that low.

What I want to know, however, is where vgchartz gets their numbers from. I don't trust anything when it comes to third-party reportingsites for sales/subscribers, through long experience with MMO's.

[=AN=Apache]

18k copies might be a failure if you're talking about an MMO or an FPS/RTS, but you must remember that this is neither. This is a high-fidelity WW2 flightsim, which is a market that's incredibly narrow and has a very small fanbase in general. Is 18k copies low? In raw numbers, yes, it is. Viewed in light of how few simmers on this level there actually is, it might not be all that low.

What I want to know, however, is where vgchartz gets their numbers from. I don't trust anything when it comes to third-party reportingsites for sales/subscribers, through long experience with MMO's.


Looking at it this way ... you're right!

[flyingblind]

Sorry, I don't get these arguments that the developers are 'buying time' or dragging their feet in any way. Nor do I understand the complaints that they should hold back on work to the sequel until CloD is fully fixed.

They have no doubt generated the bulk of the sales from CloD as it stands and need more revenue to keep developement going. They cannot release a sequel until the code is fixed so the coming patch is an absolute essential priority for them plus any more that may follow. Once the code is fixed and CloD works as it should then the first thing people here will be clamouring for is the next theatre. And wouldn't they be weed off if Luthier then said, 'Ok guys, we'll start work right away so should be done in a year or two or so.'

This way CloD will be fixed as soon as and the sequel will follow as the bulk of the 3D modeling and maps will be done and the engine will be the same.

Hopefully reviews and sales of the sequel will be much better than cloD. You desk pilots will be happy bunnies (yeah right) and future developement will continue as per IL2.

I for one will buy the sequel on release if only to do my tiny bit to keep the whole show rolling along in return for hours of fun.

[Allons!]

I wonder who of the simming community would take the game only per download when we all love thick handbooks, printed cards and stuff like this. OK lets take another 10% of steam-only copies. Revenuewise we have to take into account the massive falling of current prices. Greetz, Allons!

P.S. When the engine is fixed i will buy BoM as well right away, if the fixed engine comes with BoM and is told to work with CoD i will wait until all here claim the engine as working.

[tintifaxl]

I bought 2 digital versions (russian and international) as downloads and the collectors edition. I know 2 squadies bought it from Steam. 4:1 for download sales in my experience.

[Blackdog_kt]

Sorry, I don't get these arguments that the developers are 'buying time' or dragging their feet in any way. Nor do I understand the complaints that they should hold back on work to the sequel until CloD is fully fixed.

They have no doubt generated the bulk of the sales from CloD as it stands and need more revenue to keep developement going. They cannot release a sequel until the code is fixed so the coming patch is an absolute essential priority for them plus any more that may follow. Once the code is fixed and CloD works as it should then the first thing people here will be clamouring for is the next theatre. And wouldn't they be weed off if Luthier then said, 'Ok guys, we'll start work right away so should be done in a year or two or so.'

This way CloD will be fixed as soon as and the sequel will follow as the bulk of the 3D modeling and maps will be done and the engine will be the same.

Hopefully reviews and sales of the sequel will be much better than cloD. You desk pilots will be happy bunnies (yeah right) and future developement will continue as per IL2.

I for one will buy the sequel on release if only to do my tiny bit to keep the whole show rolling along in return for hours of fun.

This makes too much sense and we don't roll that way around here :-P

On a serious note, that's my take on things as well:

Engine is common -> fix the engine

3d models are different and done by different people -> give them something to work on while the programmers fix the engine, so that it doesn't take another 7 years for the sequel.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Let's hope they pull it off as today I had some memorable moments while playing offline campaign by DS. Taking off in that Bf109E-1 as being in a 2nd line unit and a fresh pilot to fly over Dunkerque, engage fighters and try to survive it all and navigate back home admiring the slowly rising sun and waking up France. CoD has it's moments and I really hope from bottom of my heart that Luthier and his team can save it and make it prosper to East and also towards Mediterranean and beyond :D

[Allons!]

Taking off in that Bf109E-1 as being in a 2nd line unit and a fresh pilot to fly over Dunkerque, engage fighters and try to survive it all and navigate back home admiring the slowly rising sun and waking up France. CoD has it's moments and I really hope from bottom of my heart that Luthier and his team can save it and make it prosper to East and also towards Mediterranean and beyond :D

+1 Flanker but its even nicer in a Bf110 :grin:

[NervousEnergy]

I wonder who of the simming community would take the game only per download when we all love thick handbooks, printed cards and stuff like this. OK lets take another 10% of steam-only copies. Revenuewise we have to take into account the massive falling of current prices. Greetz, Allons!

P.S. When the engine is fixed i will buy BoM as well right away, if the fixed engine comes with BoM and is told to work with CoD i will wait until all here claim the engine as working.

I'd buy a CE of CLoD today if I could find one for sale the US. The only thing I see is eBay sales. 1C or their US publishers need to find a way to market the more expensive physical versions in the US, and include enough quality items to make it desireable. Build it *and sell it here* and we will come.

[klem]

..............................
P.S. When the engine is fixed i will buy BoM as well right away, if the fixed engine comes with BoM and is told to work with CoD i will wait until all here claim the engine as working.

I think most people on these forums will buy BoM despite what they quite legitimately complain about here. Why? Because they are sim/combat enthusiasts and can't wait for a new arena to play in. There are a handful here that won't, those that have no real interest in those sims or CoD. For most of us CoD and BoM will be our playground. For that handful these forums are their playground. If only they would just fade away.

[beepee]

Get a life!

Vikingtroll!!

[Opitz]

I fear that some dedicated fans of IL-2 series will die sooner than MG will release their patch, having in my how old some of the members are...

Guys, this is same story all the time... It started with evil Ubisoft, epilepcy filter, engine, DX9 support - you name it...

I just dont understand how some of you can still say to other to wait and be patient. All of us waited like 7 years, now some of the former community wait for one year and half and ... nothing... it is together 8,5 years... and what do you have ? buggy simulator with no game content in it at all... no SDK, no NOTHING.

Ok, let me be more constructive - here is my idea for the name of next sequel:

Il-2 Sturmovik - World of Russian Warplanes MMO - Storm of War series - Cliffs of Dover 2 without Cliffs of Dover - Su-26 exclusive package.

Here is first screenshot:
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/restranger/shot_20110224_27_IF.jpg

[slick118]

This makes too much sense and we don't roll that way around here :-P

On a serious note, that's my take on things as well:

Engine is common -> fix the engine

3d models are different and done by different people -> give them something to work on while the programmers fix the engine, so that it doesn't take another 7 years for the sequel.

The point is this. 1C should not be teasing a new product in order to placate the masses, like it's not going to inherit all the same problems that the old one suffers with. It is insulting to the intelligence of a "mostly loyal" customer base and smacks of head in the sand mentality. Imagine if you took your new(ish) car back to the dealership for the umpteenth time so that you could have it fixed, only to discover the manufacturer was already promising a shiny new version, showing off the newly moulded bodywork and so on, with rank disregard for all the current imcumbent's inherent issues.

I just think it is plain rude.

[Fjordmonkey]

Imagine if you took your new(ish) car back to the dealership for the umpteenth time so that you could have it fixed, only to discover the manufacturer was already promising a shiny new version, showing off the newly moulded bodywork and so on, with rank disregard for all the current imcumbent's inherent issues.

I just think it is plain rude.

There's a few thousand differences between a computer-game and a car. While I agree that it's somewhat iffy to showcase a new product while we're waiting on The Patch™ for CLoD, car-analogies are getting severely old. If I dished out as much for CLoD as I did a new car, you can be sure I'd be crucifying whoever sold me the car. But since a new car here in Norway is at least three digits (we're talking 250 000 NOK compared to.....what, 250 to 300 NOK?) away from the cost of a computergame....meh.

[slick118]

There's a few thousand differences between a computer-game and a car. While I agree that it's somewhat iffy to showcase a new product while we're waiting on The Patch™ for CLoD, car-analogies are getting severely old. If I dished out as much for CLoD as I did a new car, you can be sure I'd be crucifying whoever sold me the car. But since a new car here in Norway is at least three digits (we're talking 250 000 NOK compared to.....what, 250 to 300 NOK?) away from the cost of a computergame....meh.

I did say earlier that I didn't spend much time writing or reading on these boards so apologies for the car comparison. ;)

But you've got to admit the tactic of releasing screenshots from a sequel which will inherit the very same engine is wearing quite thin.

[flyingblind]

The point is this. 1C should not be teasing a new product in order to placate the masses, like it's not going to inherit all the same problems that the old one suffers with. It is insulting to the intelligence of a "mostly loyal" customer base and smacks of head in the sand mentality. Imagine if you took your new(ish) car back to the dealership for the umpteenth time so that you could have it fixed, only to discover the manufacturer was already promising a shiny new version, showing off the newly moulded bodywork and so on, with rank disregard for all the current imcumbent's inherent issues.

I just think it is plain rude.




Ok, to use the car analogy. CloD is like a new car you have bought with a distinctly underwhelming engine. You hear the car maker is bringing out the next model with a super powerful engine. You are rightly niffed. But then the car maker tells you that as soon as the new engine is ready they will fit one in your old car completely free of charge as a matter of policy. And of course you can also buy their new version with the newly molded bodywork etc. and still have the new engine fitted to your old one.

[Topo]

It's fun; this thread changes every half hour ...

[Volksieg]

There's a few thousand differences between a computer-game and a car. While I agree that it's somewhat iffy to showcase a new product while we're waiting on The Patch™ for CLoD, car-analogies are getting severely old.

It's all well and good saying that, Fjordmonkey! Now imagine if you had a car analogy that was getting old and other people on the forum started hawking their new and improved car analogies! How would you feel then? eh? EH? :D

[TheEditor]

MG should have worked on a expansion pack for CloD with new planes, content, SDK... Not be skipping to the Russian front. That's what happens when the devs are mostly Russian.

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

+1
Totally agree with you Editor,there was so much more to develop with COD too,the Battle of Britain had so much going for it in terms of expansion,I could'nt believe the day they announced that they would'nt be creating anything more for it:confused:

[satchenko]

http://img4.org/images/clodog8io.gif

[bucsher]

it's friday again \o/

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155349/cartman-wants-a-wii

[FS~Phat]

it's friday again \o/

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155349/cartman-wants-a-wii

Too true.... "Waiting for Christmas.... TIMES 1000"

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

............Yeah,but Santa's stuck up the chimney or so it would seem:lol:

[banned]

............Yeah,but Santa's stuck up the chimney or so it would seem:lol:
Well light the fire and see what the bugger does.

[Allons!]

............Yeah,but Santa's stuck up the chimney or so it would seem:lol:

But in the chimney of a neighbor unfortunately..

[pstyle]

They just need to finish comparability with MS DOS 6.2 and I'll be happy.

Can't believe CloD won't run on my 486..

[Allons!]

B6 announced screenshots of a nuclear bomb so we will probably see a Fitschi addon :grin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iu-v1FJN98