Friday Official Update, June 22, 2012

[BlackSix]

Good evening gentlemen!

This week we have completed all the planned work on the patch and are planning to start its assembly and testing in the coming days. Therefore, we do find it difficult to give an exact release date. List of changes will also be published later.

We are however releasing some more screenshots from the upcoming sequel. This is the Soviet La-5 fighter that appeared in the skies over the Eastern Front in the latter half of 1942.
As always, we’d like to mention that everything you see is Work In Progress.

Have a great weekend!

[BlackSix]

Part 2:

[BlackSix]

Part 3:

[BlackSix]

Part 4:

[Eklund89]

Awesome!

[kristorf]

Awesome!

What is, being told absolutally nothing, again??

From people I speak to the majority don't care about any add-on as most now won't touch it, all we ask is that what we have paid for is made workable.

[hc_wolf]

Great thanks. Gives me more time to try and program my new Thrustmaster Warthog Joystic, Throttle and pedals.

[Winger]

So sad!:(

Winger

[Baron]

A tingling sensation tells me they aint even close.

[Sternjaeger II]

LOL, just LOL, unbelievable...

[pstyle]

Thanks for the screenshots... But I am 99% sure I will not be buying the sequel.

[Allons!]

Thx BlackSix, glad to hear the good things remain unchanged, and glad to see my expecations became true. Greetz, Allons!

[jf1981]

Thanks for the screenshots... But I am 99% sure I will not be buying the sequel.

I will, thanks for the screen shot BTW, this sim has to be great.

[ATAG_Septic]

[QUOTE=BlackSix;436641]Good evening gentlemen!

Sorry, we’re not releasing anything until we are happy with it.

I do not expect a developer to. I'm currently unhappy though.

Septic.

[Feathered_IV]

Ouch. Poor buggers. Good luck!

[Anders_And]

Now, that is surely a sequel that I WILL NOT touch, knowing how they take care(or dont rather) of the games already released....

Nothing personal against you Blacksix, you are only the messenger!

[GF_Mastiff]

wow, sorry to say I beleave our squad just lost 3 people today
because of no hope of patch, just great.

thanks for the update.
at least HSFX6.0 is out

[JG52Krupi]

Good evening gentlemen!

The patch release date is still “when it’s done” and the current status is still “not done”. Sorry, we’re not releasing anything until we are happy with it.

We are however releasing some more screenshots from the upcoming sequel. This is the Soviet La-5 fighter that appeared in the skies over the Eastern Front in the latter half of 1942.
As always, we’d like to mention that everything you see is Work In Progress.

Have a great weekend!

So I have to ask, are we getting a fw190 in the next expansion?

[BlackSix]

So I have to ask, are we getting a fw190 in the next expansion?

I'll be able to answer after announcment of sequel only.

[Volksieg]

Thanks for the screenshots... But I am 99% sure I will not be buying the sequel.

It has to be said.... Lastnight I decided to treat myself and had a look at the special offers on Steam. I noticed a game called Men of War was on special offer and thought "Looks intriguing", watched the trailer and saw the 1C logo come up and immediately closed Steam and muttered "Nah...."

Of course, as mentioned above, this is not your fault Blacksix as you are just the messenger! :)

[SlipBall]

Aircraft look real good, thanks B6

[6BL Bird-Dog]

Thabks for the info Black Six,Nice screenies too.

[Kobold10]

Thank you for the information BS.

I just want to state the fact that the way IC is treating the community at this forum is not the way as it should be.
The main problem is communication!
I would recommend to inform the community with a little bit more respect and hand over some details. There are lots of people checking this forum to get the latest informations about the patch update process.
It doesn´t last too long to type in some facts even twice a week. (Max. 5 minutes)
We do all need a perspective of what is going on and when the product will arrive. It´s us that keep this genre alive. (this includes devs and users)
So please try to inform us a little bit more with details...
Thank you

[335th_GRAthos]

Hmmm....

Thanks for the update BlackSix, you delivered according to my expectations (unfortunately).

I will 100% buy the sequel.

Just get it done quickly though because you are playing with our nerves.... ;)

And since our mental age (for most of us) is over 12years old, we draw our own conclusions following the continous "pretty colorful pictures" saga you have been feeding us for weeks now... :(

Please, do not underestimate our intelligence! We may post rubish in your forums (due to the lack of anything more interesting) and go after each other's throat but, we are not that stupid (as sometimes I think you consider us to be :( ).


Better give us some betas so that we are at least occupied in discussions and testing than having us hanging in front of Internet Explorer pressing the F5 key.


Nice weekend,


~S~

[Lurker_71]

It has to be said.... Lastnight I decided to treat myself and had a look at the special offers on Steam. I noticed a game called Men of War was on special offer and thought "Looks intriguing", watched the trailer and saw the 1C logo come up and immediately closed Steam and muttered "Nah...."

Of course, as mentioned above, this is not your fault Blacksix as you are just the messenger! :)

Men of War are a great series, if you're into real time strategy. I have the full set and I strongly recommend it. Publisher is 1C, but developer is not Maddox Games. If it's on sale, get it, you won't regret it.

[6S.Tamat]

Thanks for you difficult work b6.

But you all have to understand that this is not an update and that the game is dying under a cover of silence.

[muttly]

This is becoming more and more of a joke as the weeks progress.
You can see the games greatness occasionally but then you see the flaws all the more clearly.
Couldn't MG at least put some of the mission designers to work on this title to give us a set of decent missions/campaigns...Oh hold on, they are the ones that gave us the set we have now..:-x

[macro]

Thanks for update and screenies b6

But i think ill do with bom the same as i did the old il2. Wait a few years for it to be fixed and pay a fiver for it.

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

Thanks for the screenshots... But I am 99% sure I will not be buying the sequel.

No,me neither,not interested in the Russian campaign at all.....it was the Battle Of Britain that interested me from the start and I have always felt that it could've been explored a little more than it has been.

It would've been fantastic to have had a flyable Wellington,Dornier,Battle or Hampden,but that's life I guess.

Personally I would only contemplate purchasing a sequel if it meant that it's content would benefit 'The Cliffs Of Dover'.If the sequel had been aimed at the European air war with say your FW190's vs B17's to name but a few,then they would've got my interest,I would also have loved to have seen maybe a desert air war,but the Russian thing does'nt do it for me,which is a pity.

Thanks for keeping us in the picture B6,although I'm starting to lose all hope and interest now of what 1C is working on for the future or more importantly if it has a future itself.

[Jatta Raso]

good looking La; some doubts about the landscape but that's WIP right?

regarding CLoD i suppose they made some more progress with the clouds...

[Bak]

I have to ask:
Is this sequel using the same engine as CloD? If so, can we expect the same experiences/performance/bugs from the sequel?

[Lurker_71]

The commercial outcome of the Sequel will make a great case study for marketing / business students, and will be a test of whether "customer satisfaction" is still key to success (at least in this industry).

B6, thanks for the update. I'd hate to have your job.

[jcenzano]

I will go move on to F4 BMS until all this mess is cleared up.

Read my signature. Does SLI ring a bell??

I have been asking once and againg for it and I don´t get an answer so i´m out until they fix it.

No hard feelings on my side but do not expect any hard money coming from me in the near future.

And believe me you are loosing a gold minewith me. A sim-idiotic-fan that for example has bought EVERYTHING available for ROF and I hardly play it. But when I do it works great.

to the team, tahnk you for all your efforts, but results are not satisfactory for me so far.(SLI,SLI and SLI)

jcenzano out.

[Bungmiester]

+1

[BlackSix]

good looking La; some doubts about the landscape but that's WIP right?

Landscape and all objects is WIP.

I have to ask:
Is this sequel using the same engine as CloD? If so, can we expect the same experiences/performance/bugs from the sequel?

Sequel will be using the same engine as CloD, but we'll have to fix bugs.

[Baron]

Quite a different phrasing from Sukhoi.tu


"Quote:
Friday, June 22, 2012. Information about the patch and screenshots

Hello!

This week we have completed all the planned work on the patch and are planning to start its assembly and testing in the coming days. Therefore, we do find it difficult to give an exact release date. List of changes will also be published later."


Dont have the link but the quote is from SimHQ.



Make of it what you will.

To me it sounds like they do whatever they can to make it even more confusing than it already is. Its almost like they v stopped caring all together.


Edit: When i think about it im pretty sure the 2012-06-22 "update" at the sukhoi.tu is a copy paste from a "update" we got here about a month ago.(Not literally but you get the idea)

[banned]

I'll be able to answer after announcment of sequel only.
An absolute rock show. Just cracks me up.

[kristorf]

Sequel will be using the same engine as CloD, but we'll have to fix bugs.


Sorry for pointing this out BS, but that is one HUGE understatement

[Mr109]

Lurking since release havent posted a dam thing till this...................THANKS

REALLY HOPE YOU GUYS ARE WRITING SOME SUPER ATOMIC RUSSIAN CODE :-P

THANKS FOR THE SCREENSHOTS(BUKKAKE ANYONE)

[banned]

Quite a different phrasing from Sukhoi.tu


"Quote:
Friday, June 22, 2012. Information about the patch and screenshots

Hello!

This week we have completed all the planned work on the patch and are planning to start its assembly and testing in the coming days. Therefore, we do find it difficult to give an exact release date. List of changes will also be published later."


Dont have the link but the quote is from SimHQ.



Make of it what you will.

To me it sounds like they do whatever they can to make it even more confusing than it already is. Its almost like they v stopped caring all together.
If this is true it's a disgrace. No trust in this mob anymore.

[No145_Bunny]

To the 1c development team.

Your sequel is of NO INTEREST TO ME AND MY SQD members!!!

I can fly the LA5 in IL2 and it WORKS, I suspect it wont in BOM

CLOD is just a total waste of my time and money and I have spent 4+ years waiting for something to be a worthy replacement to IL2. CLOD aint it!

To have any hope of selling the sequel in any significant numbers, YOU REALLY NEED TO FIX the sodding game as it stands now, as was promised, as was advertised and as was SOLD TO US!

Fed up of waiting now AND WE HAVE WAITED and WAITED and WAITED and WAITED, I am really sorry and upset for the WW2 combat flight sim community, we really needed something to replace IL2 and you have failed us. How sad.......

I suspect Ill be banned, but to be honest, I dont really care anymore, do your worst, ah you already have of course, you released CLOD.......

Toodle pip!
Bunster

[NLS61]

Wel seems no update this week

B6 alterd his post so now must I.
It is now something of an update.

[Friendly_flyer]

Thanks for the screenies, Blacksix! I hope you guys make good progress in the patch!

[il_corleone]

Lets hope the patch will be finished soon, and not thanks, you only posted some screenshots like, we havent the one thing you like, but yeah! we have this, lets put it there, im going to thank b6 when he tell some interesting things for the patch, and something. salute

[Varrattu]

I'll be able to answer after announcment of sequel only.

Stale joke. After all that fairy tales your dearly beloved SQUEL is of NO INTEREST to me ...

Keep on wasting your time with DX9

~S~

[Kongo-Otto]

Nice Screenshots nevertheless.
But may i ask how a LaG-5 fits in to the BoM (BoM = Battle of Moscow) Timeframe?

[JG4_Bendwick]

You've still not even done it since about 1 year some model airplane
Bug fix! (Bomber)
These aircraft will be there but also in BOM.

written by Google
JG4 Widukind

[335th_GRExandas]

This is my last visit to the forum .....
When you finish with those so called bugs ... update steam.
The game is going permanently to the self......
Il2 sturmovik was a glorius game with great reputation......

[Feathered_IV]

The announcement of the MMO was supposed to be in mid June. Have they stuffed up that deadline too?

[ChrisDNT]

Awesome!

Could you elaborate ?

[senseispcc]

.
Should it be BfM or BoM "Battle for Moscow" or "Battle of Moscow":( ?

[KeBrAnTo]

kristorf, don't worry, they'll learn it the hard way the day they release the sequel.

What is, being told absolutally nothing, again??

From people I speak to the majority don't care about any add-on as most now won't touch it, all we ask is that what we have paid for is made workable.

[Ali Fish]

To the 1c development team.

Your sequel is of NO INTEREST TO ME AND MY SQD members!!!

I can fly the LA5 in IL2 and it WORKS, I suspect it wont in BOM

CLOD is just a total waste of my time and money and I have spent 4+ years waiting for something to be a worthy replacement to IL2. CLOD aint it!

To have any hope of selling the sequel in any significant numbers, YOU REALLY NEED TO FIX the sodding game as it stands now, as was promised, as was advertised and as was SOLD TO US!

Fed up of waiting now AND WE HAVE WAITED and WAITED and WAITED and WAITED, I am really sorry and upset for the WW2 combat flight sim community, we really needed something to replace IL2 and you have failed us. How sad.......

I suspect Ill be banned, but to be honest, I dont really care anymore, do your worst, ah you already have of course, you released CLOD.......

Toodle pip!
Bunster

said like a true 1C customer.

i see korean diablo3 custmers, by law have option for refund due to blizzard`s oversights and incapabilities of ensuring a playable prooduct.

how do you fare in this realm 1C ?

by rights we should all have refunds from you.

[carguy_]

Darn, I have to say I was hoping for a Gustav or Friedrich. Anyway I`m ready to hit the Eastern Front again. :)

[Robert]

Quick. Get the pitch forks and torches! We'll storm the 1C gates!

[No601_Merlin]

Thanks for the screenshots... But I am 99% sure I will not be buying the sequel.

guaranteed +1

[SiThSpAwN]

Did problem arise in internal testing again? I thought the patch was to go to internal testing last week sometime?

[il_corleone]

Dont worry guys.... they will know the consecuences when they "Addon" will be released, im not going to buy it, for some reasons, 1, if they can,t patch bugs in the Clod they can,t in the BOM, 2 (And the most important)I am not going to pay for a people who leaves their games and start to do another ones, I WANT THE GAME THAT I PAYED! and if they think that i wil buy the addon for this? ajajajjajaja

[SYN_Jed]

These updates used to get 5 or 6 pages of "great news, thanks very much" etc before the "unpleased" started their posts.

This week the unhappy are starting on page one!

Thats gotta say something, dont you think?....:(

[carguy_]

Thats gotta say something, dont you think?....:(
That they can`t find anything better to do?

[il_corleone]

That they can`t find anything better to do?
lol? do you think its bad that you pay for anything, they tell you something to then. another week tell you something differnet, and all lies? its bad to tell what do you think?

[Allons!]

.
Should it be BfM or BoM "Battle for Moscow" or "Battle of Moscow":( ?

"Struggle in Moscow"

[Ali Fish]

These updates used to get 5 or 6 pages of "great news, thanks very much" etc before the "unpleased" started their posts.

This week the unhappy are starting on page one!

Thats gotta say something, dont you think?....:(

today when i popped on the forum, to share some ridicule, well deserved ridicule imo i noticed this general concensus too. its warming somewhat that the reality is bitting ! i think its time friday updates were over, must be painfull for them being so awkward about everything, absolutely everything.

[Kuion]

Thanks a lot for the screenshots. They are fantastic. I´m waiting for the sequel to buy it and start with IL-2 CoD series on the eastern front actually . This is my field of interest. The same applies to some people from the community of virtual pilots that I know.

Kuion

[SQB]

Wait, this new BoM will include later war aircraft too, yeah?

[charlie19]

What Kristorf said. Why spend valuable time and resources on producing an upgrade to something that still does not work?

Disappointing.

[FS~Phat]

I know its still not a patch but B6 has updated the update with some more info.

From Page 1 update: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=32755
Good evening gentlemen!

This week we have completed all the planned work on the patch and are planning to start its assembly and testing in the coming days. Therefore, we do find it difficult to give an exact release date. List of changes will also be published later.

We are however releasing some more screenshots from the upcoming sequel. This is the Soviet La-5 fighter that appeared in the skies over the Eastern Front in the latter half of 1942.
As always, we’d like to mention that everything you see is Work In Progress.

[Stirwenn]

Thanks for the joke, ups ! the update sorry .... :)
So far, dev team is lucky that nowadays ridiculous situation do not kill....

I promise myself a great moment of fun reading some fanboys...

[=AN=Apache]

As I commented in the post last Friday .... The 1C said the patch would be released on last Wednesday or any day after ... As I said can be up to 365 days after

Even now I'm wondering ... Why talk about it? It seems they want to leave the community with more hype and more angry ...

I've stopped flying already have one month!

Just think I will leave aside the CLOD and started to invest in the products of DCS ...

The 1C does not seem to worry about being considerate to their customers. The only thing I see clearly is the neglect and a news update with no detail about the progress of the patch and full of news about the sequel, which for me is to divert attention from more naive, but it seems they (1C) can do very well.

Again let express my outrage at the carelessness that 1C is doing to us customers.

We feel that clients harmed by these actions have to do something about it ..

P.S: Sorry everyone for my bad English.

[furbs]

A few days to fix this, a few days to fix that....


Laughable.

TY BS(not your fault)

[adonys]

I know its still not a patch but B6 has updated the update with some more info..

you mean.. the few empty words they've thrown in when they saw the reaction of the forum when faced with their new original "update"?

[Dano]

Honestly, BoM landscape looks awful, it doesn't gel together whatsoever and I utterly fail to understand why you keep making the same errors regarding patch timings over and over again, why keep telling us timescales and them continue to miss them, it's insane.

[PotNoodles]

Edited my post because it seems the update post has been changed to something a bit more responsible and so I have no comment.

[StG2_Winni]

Just ridiculous and impolite as well !!! "....when we are happy with it" Sentences like this leave me speechless. As if it was only up to them!

From a developer point of view: They just not good enough! They try to solve one problem and create two new ones at the same time. And this is happening for one year now !!!! In my profession I have already seen a lot of companies like this one and I can tell you, they get it never done. I'm really sad to say so, but I lost my last hope....

[NLS61]

Landscape and all objects is WIP.



Sequel will be using the same engine as CloD, but we'll have to fix bugs.

Seems to me COD will use same engine as BOM not vice versa.

[Ze-Jamz]

I dont care about a sequel..i want to be able to play this game...

This is seriously getting beyond the joke now

[philip.ed]

Gentlemen, at the end of the day BoM is imminent and the team are well aware of their tricky situation. The last thing they want is for the whole series to flop. It wouldn't be good for any of them.

As annoyed as I am that CloD is being abandoned directly for the time being, I can't see anything changing. Perhaps the team will learn from their 'lessons', however I don't see any benefits in BoM flopping causing the whole series to collapse. This is the most tangible WW2 aerial combat flight simulator at the moment, and definitely the most developed out of anything that could potentially fill the gap.

What I'm saying is that I'd rather see these updates (as disinterested as I am) then nothing. Nothing is going to change. Unless an SDK is released this year, the series will very much follow the line the development team (or the owners) wish to take it.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Thanks BlackSix! The La-5 looks great and I can't wait to get my paws on it!

And to think I was feeling a bit down after a hard couple of weeks at work, younger kids crying when I got home, had to painted some monkeys for my older daughters 21st birthday tomorrow! (70 Uni students on safari in my back yard! OMG what were we thinking!!!!)

Then I read all those sour grape post and realised that my life is pritty effing good by comparison to some peoples!

Now the house is quiet and the little'uns have gone to bed! It's time to have a scotch and fly COD for an hour or so before bed!

Night all!

[planesy]

Well,well, well.
What a surprise!:evil:
Hi all. I havnt posted on the forum much but my last litlle rant of disaproval I felt hit all the key points that I wanted to get across and what most of us feel about CLOD.

Black 6 you poor fella.
To be the messenger of such drivel must be very tough.
Most if not all the posts here are unsatisfied customers.
We are totally fed up with the false promises and estimated patch dates.
Product misreperesentation springs to mind hear.

CLOD could have been so good but now its just pissing everyone off.
May be worth having a word with the Rise Of Fligt team.
THEY SEEM TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!!:-x

[alado]

creo que he tenido un deja vu, bueno igual llevo 4 años teniéndolo desde tiempos del amigo oleg. Lo siento ya no me molesto en traducirlo, total a quien le va a importar?.

Pd: el La será todo lo ruso que quieran pero es feo de coones.
Ahora sigamos en Inglés:

Thanks for update, and bla bla bla bla, have a great week end.:grin:

[Insuber]

Great news, as usual!

In the meanwhile I've found a leaked pic of the La-5 cockpit:

http://www.rv-8a.net/images/F-16C%20Cockpit.jpg

:-)

I don't find the laser gun trigger, this is a bug B6!

Cheers!

[il_corleone]

creo que he tenido un deja vu, bueno igual llevo 4 años teniéndolo desde tiempos del amigo oleg. Lo siento ya no me molesto en traducirlo, total a quien le va a importar?.

Pd: el La será todo lo ruso que quieran pero es feo de coones.
Ahora sigamos en Inglés:

Thanks for update, and bla bla bla bla, have a great week end.:grin:

JAJAJA español? ajaja creeme, este es el sitio en el que menos creia que iva a encontrar a un español, lets back in english, this is a JOKE!, DEVS, tell us more!, and more of the patch! , and its current state, i want 100% it doesent matter that i dont understand all but , but we will see if they are working or not.

[SEE]

I will purchase the sequel and think that the next official update will be important in terms of how well it addresses many of the issues that have undermined CloD - I would rather wait than have a sub standard release.

BS, Will the Yak make an appearance in BOM?

[ZG15_FALKE]

Einfach lächerlich.
Und unverschämt!

Out!

[NLS61]

FS~Phat Edit; Sorry I have deleted this quote/post as it was over the top. /end

Well im not happy either, but the devs do not deserve this.
They still have a good track record with their last sim maybe you remember iL2 it started buggy burt was light years ahead.
They the devs stood by it until it was the best around.
Regrettably it still is, but bob is were it isn’t flawed brilliant.
So I think one can still have some trust that the devs will stand by their product.
If they don’t well then the curtain falls for the whole franchise and that’s serious money down the drain.
So where are they following the wrong path, well they could handle their fan base better.
Black six is the spokes man and he shouldn’t be he is doing campain work for the next installment.
Being spokes man is a serious position and it should at least for us mostly westerners here be fulfilled by somebody with a thorough understanding of the western customer base.
I've been in Moscow some time ago for some time and there are good people there, who think along completely different lines than we do.
So presumably there is no funding for getting the job done properly could be Black Sixs is doing a dandy job over there for the Russian customers I don’t presume to know.
So I think it should not be the software developer informing the customer but rather the publisher.
This publisher is silent in every way they can be and are not helping Maddox in anyway.
If I were Maddox I do away with the dox and be just Mad at them Ubi that is.
But as it is and as things stand now they have to up the ante.

[Luftwaffepilot]

Einfach lächerlich.
Und unverschämt!

Out!


Traurig aber wahr.

[Mags]

Calm down, folks!
It's Operation Barbarossa-day today...71 years ago today.

I suppose they are defending themselves today. ;-)

[Blackdog_kt]

Ok, before things start going downhill, let me say a few things.

People have a right to be pleased or displeased.

However, if i see people deliberately ignoring the update information in order to speculate and start personal wars, or attacking other users for having a different opinion, this thread is going to see some heavy moderating.

In other words, express whatever opinion you want to express, but if it's not done politely expect the usual consequences as well.

They say they're done with coding and will start testing. Then we got some screenshots. That is the summary of the update and that is what we ask questions about in this thread and answer them if we can, or wait for B6 to do so. Anything else is off-topic and will be treated as such. If you still wish to discuss off-topic things, open a new thread and don't screw up this one. I'm not joking. Thanks for cooperating. ;)

[catito14]

See?? I was right ... they keep with the vapor of "we finished this, we finished that" .... if you need to pack everything and then TEST again, well, you can´t be sure that you fixed everything isn´t it? .... i bet my house that when they test again, they will find some minor bugs and they will decide "in an afternoon reunion" that they want to work another ..... 3 or 6 months on it, but they can´t promise a date when the patch will be ready ....

Just one word .... IRRESPONSIBLE

[csThor]

Not that I particularly mind that the patch isn't out, yet, (I have enough other things to do, you know that thing called "real life" ;)) but I can't shake the impression that Luthier desperately needs to get out of the office and an injection of a healthy dose of reality. It smacks of that dreaded "locked up in one place for too long" syndrome which disconnects a person (or more) from what really goes on. And this endless collection of delays has the definitive stink of it ...

[Ali Fish]

express whatever opinion you want to express, but if it's not done politely expect the usual consequences as well. ;)

i think the devs should retreat back to modding. You might make a damn good mod for DCS if you get your cards in order. professional quality payware mod for dcs with standards dictated by another source. what better design remit could there be for a clearly struggling flightsimming development company seeking a product to full fill a communites appetite.

seriously, you might actually make some money over on that side of flightsimming in a more unique way, and i as a customer could be assured of the quality i desire. i realise this sounds offensive, it initially might have been but seriously its not. its actually a viable source for you guys to do somthing of great quality work with income. and it could prove to be more beneficial for your company name in general. the facts or reality is that not many around here are getting what they desire and it works both ways, un-desirable feedback is naturally un-desirable. surely those in the face of the feedback must want to change that. and thats simply enough said on that. so please dont take it as an insult, make your mark on the flightsimming world in another way. its just another idea. and to appease the situation somewhat i must say i cant think of a better developed mod in the ww2 realms as one from you guys. i actually believe that could be a fact. so whilst i may appear to be insulting your company. a group like yours could/should have many many options outwith your own monkey sphere (loosly termed).

[planespotter]

Good news patch is not dead...in coma but not dead is ok by me...keep the life support going guys!!

Would just also like to register am totally completely fully and completely UNINTERESTED in updates on the new game until you fix the first one.

PS

[smink1701]

[QUOTE=SEE;436814]I will purchase the sequel and think that the next official update will be important in terms of how well it addresses many of the issues that have undermined CloD - I would rather wait than have a sub standard release.

You are going to get a sub standard release either way ;)

[smink1701]

SNAFU…seriously, being cautious about leaking information or carful not to over promise is one thing but this update is nothing and the community is obviously desperate for something.

Luthier, wake up and get in the game!!! I think the developers may be thinking that all will be forgiven and forgotten once BOM in all its glory is released. That may be true for a very small group of IL-2 loyalists (and that group is getting smaller all the time), but the majority here are going to remember that once the sequel is released it will take months if not years to fix the bugs with very little communication along the way. I have never had an issue getting the game to run properly…relatively speaking. I am also 100 percent SP like many here. And like many here I was thrilled with the release of the last “alpha” patch…but really didn’t see much of a difference. The AI still sucks, the FM are mostly inaccurate, and there are many features that are still either very flawed, broken or missing all together. I can’t play the game for more than a few minutes before seeing or hearing something that makes me click “Quit”. Like the Hurricane’s laser beam tracers or the sound of the guns inside the Brit fighters. Or the twitching wings of the AI? What happened to the glorious new sounds Luthier gushed over? Why can’t we easily record a mission and play it back? Why can’t we toggle icons? Why don’t all the radio comms work? And on and on and on. The BOM images look good but to my eyes they don’t look that much better than IL-2. So 1C is going to introduce a new, buggy version or IL-2 with slightly better images that will take months / years to sort out and with fewer features. Yeah…sign me up!!! I’d like to see the business plan behind that strategy?

Out.

[robtek]

Things I hate about this forum.....

No more than four posts past an 'If it gets personal it will be heavily moderated' post by a Mod idiots like this get exactly like it.

Pathetic really isn't it??

The only pathetic here is the whining of patienceless people!

If the patch doesn't comes next week then mabe the week after.

The real life gives soo much more fun as a computer game, which could be written of as bad experience after all, if it comes to the worst case.

As long as the devs are still working on it, nothing is lost.

[PotNoodles]

I see the ban hammer coming down on some of these posts. Why people think they have the right to personally attack posts is beyond me, if you are pleased with the game that's fine and if you are not pleased that's also fine. Everyone has the right to say what they think without someone else's interference. The Mods will sort the posts out if they are not happy with them.

[Feathered_IV]

Luthier, wake up and get in the game!!! I think the developers may be thinking that all will be forgiven and forgotten once BOM in all its glory is released. That may be true for a very small group of IL-2 loyalists (and that group is getting smaller all the time), but the majority here are going to remember that once the sequel is released it will take months if not years to fix the bugs with very little communication along the way.

I'm wondering how many years of waiting and millions of words will be expended here before they can get themselves sorted out. That being the sort of expenditure required, I think the price of this sequel is going to be much too high.

[Volksieg]

As long as the devs are still working on it, nothing is lost.

A fair comment, Robtek, but I think the problem is that people are beginning to suspect it isn't being worked on. lol

[theOden]

..As long as the devs are still working on it, nothing is lost.

So, where's your limit. If they still say "working on it" on a friday of November 2015 will you still say "hoooray"?

[jamesdietz]

Cup half full Dept. : I can wait a bitlonger to see if this patch will allow me to keep what I've got PC Wise, since it might increase FPS or have to invest in a new Graphics card & who knows what else.Its the same holding pattern I've been in for the past year...sigh...
But thanks Black 6 for the screenies!

[catito14]

Will people 'still' be whingeing is the real question, what I really don't get is all the folks whingeing and claiming COD is a 'dead duck' yet they are still here, for some reason they just can't leave and move on with their lives like jilted boyfriends crying in the street.

I think, because we paid for it. If you are glad giving your money for nothing, good for you.

And I think that ALL we are posting here wants the game works fine and become in the best simulator in history, but no for that we will not complain when things do not go as they promised.

[Feathered_IV]

It's not the money. It's seeing the only real chance of a viable WW2 prop sim to last the next decade being squandered by appalling project management.

[bongodriver]

I think, because we paid for it. If you are glad giving your money for nothing, good for you.

And I think that ALL we are posting here wants the game works fine and become in the best simulator in history, but no for that we will not complain when things do not go as they promised.


Define 'nothing', what I have on my hard drive is the best looking WW2 sim I ever saw, sure it needs some attention but I have 'never' owned a game that didn't.

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

What is, being told absolutally nothing, again??

From people I speak to the majority don't care about any add-on as most now won't touch it, all we ask is that what we have paid for is made workable.

so you didnt look at the new plane:rolleyes:

[MACADEMIC]

Very nice looking LA-5. Good to see some progress being made there. Apart from that, I'm one of those (perhaps many) sitting on the fence awaiting a more favourable public perception of the game in a more fixed state before I'd invest in a new PC to run it. Or the sequel.

MAC

[Meusli]

I do not understand what some of you people think they would get out of saying that they are fixing it for over a year but secretly they were just sitting around making up weekly updates while twiddling their thumbs. It would ruin their reputations, their lively hoods and would make 1c idiots that could not check up on the work that they had done up to this day.

Not anyone is going to buy the sequel if this is left broken, they know and we know it so just chill people.

[wannabetheace]

Woooohhooo :):):) great screenshots nice La Thanks

[kristorf]

so you didnt look at the new plane:rolleyes:

Not really interested mate, as I said, I would like what I paid for over a year ago to work before I even think about shelling out more money to 1C.
Saying that I do have a nice tea towel with a map of the Channel on it, worth £50 I would say :rolleyes:

[flyingblind]

Seems like a win win situation to me. Either the game is still in deep trouble and the developers are stringing you a line whilst struggling to get on top and it may never be sorted, in which case, 'Hooray! You were all right and fully justified in your outrage'.

Or the work for the next update is indeed finished and just needs final assembly and a little testing to be safe, in which case, 'Hooray! We are well on the way to the best WW2 combat sim ever'. How cool is that?

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

It's not the money. It's seeing the only real chance of a viable WW2 prop sim to last the next decade being squandered by appalling project management.

+1

Totally agree Feathered,and the reason the majority of guys are complaining on here is quite simple.....they are passionate about this WW2 prop sim,they want it to succeed,they want it corrected and they have been patient for a long time,but their patience is now quite rightly in short supply and who can blame them.

[_YoYo_]

Worse and worse and worse.....
Very sad the news.

Is it too very difficult to put patch for community :

Radio communications
AI
Clouds
Some of bugs of avionics?

Its only scripts! So no difference in Dx9, dx8 or dx15....or MMO or what You want.
Pity, still too same. Lose my hope after each Friday news :( .

[David Hayward]

+1
who can blame them.

I can. They're really annoying and their constant complaining is not helping anyone.

[SEE]

[QUOTE=SEE;436814]

I will purchase the sequel and think that the next official update will be important in terms of how well it addresses many of the issues that have undermined CloD - I would rather wait than have a sub standard release.

You are going to get a sub standard release either way ;)

I will still buy it.....:grin:....... I have had my moneys worth out of CloD despite the Gremlins and I expect the same will happen with BoM. Whichever way I look at it - CloD was and still is cheap entertainment.

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

Not really interested mate, as I said, I would like what I paid for over a year ago to work before I even think about shelling out more money to 1C.
Saying that I do have a nice tea towel with a map of the Channel on it, worth £50 I would say :rolleyes:

Certainly you have been flying flight sims long enough to know the first year is always tough.

FB, AEP, PF, 1946, all improved upon the previous il2 versions. I expect nothing less from BoM.

Furthermore, if you have not flown the sim over the past year, you ripped yourself off.

[Rudo]

Enough already. Just release the patch. We have grown tired of your excuses. You say you have fixed a lot of things, well then prove it!

[Nitrous]

Enough already. Just release the patch. We have grown tired of your excuses. You say you have fixed a lot of things, well then prove it!

Says it all

[mayestdo]

enough already. Just release the patch. We have grown tired of your excuses. You say you have fixed a lot of things, well then prove it!

+1000000000000000

[Force10]

The only pathetic here is the whining of patienceless people!




Priceless! Waiting a year for a patch to fix a non-functioning sim isn't long enough? Ummm......ok.

[bongodriver]

Enough already. Just release the patch. We have grown tired of your excuses. You say you have fixed a lot of things, well then prove it!


So you think the patch is actually all complete and just sitting on a devs hard drive while they sit and make excuses to delay the release of a finished patch? they say they have fixed alot of things because 'we' the community 'demanded' weekly updates.

He Who Shoots First Lives Longest

Unless you're a crap shot and you just gave away your position.

[Heinz Laube]

hmm, nice screenshots... but will the sequel have real gameplay, working ai, real dynamic campaign with rank and medals and so on or just playable planes and single player missions, again... that the fear of most here...

[zipper]

... the drive dog on the La5's spinner is backwards ...


:/

[catito14]

hmm, nice screenshots... but will the sequel have real gameplay, working ai, real dynamic campaign with rank and medals and so on or just playable planes and single player missions, again... that the fear of most here...

Let me do the B6 work "I can´t say anything about that until the official announcement"

[seaeye]

Bored of these "updates". I'll come back in a few months time and see what's going on then...

[Pegasus_Eagle]

I hate to say this, but i have had all the faith in 1C.

The key word in that was had, but these empty promises and vague reasons have left a bad taste in my mouth.

loosing my faith in 1C and this game, beginning to wish i never bought it.

I was looking so forward to it and now letdown after letdown empty promises, have just become way to much to even be called funny.

I dont even think it can be even referred to as a joke unless the joke is on the diehard flight simmers witch it seems to be.

Well it's a bad joke not funny anymore annoying is a better word.

TY for the pic's BlackSix nice but don't make the game run no better sad to say but true.

[mcdaniels]

but will the sequel have real gameplay, working ai, real dynamic campaign with rank and medals and so on or just playable planes and single player missions, again...

I think that the errors of CloD will be ironed out... but thats only "thinking".

And to the others saying: "I will not buy BoM". Thats your right and - after the "not so good" start of CloD... who can really be angry bout this desicion?

on the other handside, there are only very few sim-programming-companies...

If they are not supported by the customer.... they will probably die...

Lets look forward what the Devs will make out of CloD ;-)

[Flanker35M]

S!

I wonder how these early Ladas are modelled in sequel. Same as in IL-2 where FM was copy/paste and drawn from a magician's hat? First combat sorties over Stalingrad Ladas had to be ESCORTED by Yakovlevs as their performance was poor source: Gordon & Yefim) etc. Actually the later series LagG-3's outperformed the early La-5's as they were lighter. But thanks for the great shots though :)

[catito14]

If they are not supported by the customer.... they will probably die...



Why we support a company that did not meet its promises?

[TRIK]

try to keep faith ,,, good things come to those who wait:cool:

[HeavyDelta]

I will never buy anything again from this company. Talk about no clue how to treat loyal customers, sheesh.

[mcdaniels]

Why we support a company that did not meet its promises?

Yes, right! ... but they are doing quite well. Compare the CloD today with the release CloD. It is getting better.

Lets talk again in about 1 - 2 month. I am sure there will be an update soon.

Is there any other WWII Sim? I dont think so ...

[SacaSoh]

Why we support a company that did not meet its promises?

+1

Bought the game on release, and, even with last patches, it isn't more than a quick skirmish generator (with 2 choices: over the channel with good FPS; over land with bad FPS).

Obviously i won't buy the expansion at launch, i'll wait for several reviews, etc., but i do hope they do a great job. Also, i'll disregard any promised feature not on release... "to be implemented on later patches" may be some years from the release.

[ATAG_Septic]

I returned to flight-sims full of hope for this title, I've invested thousands of the banks' money into hardware but now I'm off to level a Gnome, or maybe a Dwarf.

Septic (AKA Fearless Hengist Thunderhorn, have sword, will travel)

[TheBurnerCoD]

creo que he tenido un deja vu, bueno igual llevo 4 años teniéndolo desde tiempos del amigo oleg. Lo siento ya no me molesto en traducirlo, total a quien le va a importar?.

Pd: el La será todo lo ruso que quieran pero es feo de coones.
Ahora sigamos en Inglés:

Thanks for update, and bla bla bla bla, have a great week end.:grin:

I'm totally agree with you

Salute

[simast]

So you think the patch is actually all complete and just sitting on a devs hard drive while they sit and make excuses to delay the release of a finished patch?

Have you even read the update? Here:

"This week we have completed all the planned work on the patch"

Sitting right there on their hard drives. But releasing another beta patch for public testing is no go, because you know.. have to "assemble" it first, which will take a couple of months.

[bongodriver]

Have you even read the update? Here:

"This week we have completed all the planned work on the patch"

Sitting right there on their hard drives. But releasing another beta patch for public testing is no go, because you know.. have to "assemble" it first, which will take a couple of months.


"This week we have completed all the planned work on the patch"...but not completed the internal testing.

[merlin1]

Now, that is surely a sequel that I WILL NOT touch, knowing how they take care(or dont rather) of the games already released....

Nothing personal against you Blacksix, you are only the messenger!



Maybe he is not.:!:

[mcdaniels]

They doing quite well with the patch! Maybe I revert to red baron 3d again *lol*

Nice 2 amuse you ;)

[Pudfark]

Respectfully, this is not an Update for CloD.
It's SPAM for BOM.

BOM should have it's own Forum.

Further, It's long past due, to provide more accurate
and better communication on the pace and process of
fixing CloD. How about a time line to completion?

I am back to flying 1946. The last 15 months has been
a waste of my time and money with CloD. I believe that
BOM portends the same.

If MG can't speed up the development? Then they need
to rapidly ramp up the communication.

Development is a process. Communication is a choice.

I am standing by...a little bit longer.

[merlin1]

CLOD is from the beginning a big disappointment !!!!!

Never ending story.:!:

[Osprey]

What an awful update even if we could believe it, and I too noticed the immediate reaction - 1 'thanks' followed by reaction to the news that, YET AGAIN, all deadlines suggested are missed/ignored. The "Performance patch" which we waited 5 months for consisted of just removing things that caused lag, to be told it's not a Beta but and Alpha and is so bad that it's not even been put up into Steam updates. When you think about it can anybody provide an example when something has been delivered on the day that they said it would?

Nobody has any faith in the vacuous rhetoric repeated over and over again - The team have shot their bolt, nothing can be trusted.

[kristorf]

Certainly you have been flying flight sims long enough to know the first year is always tough.

FB, AEP, PF, 1946, all improved upon the previous il2 versions. I expect nothing less from BoM.

Furthermore, if you have not flown the sim over the past year, you ripped yourself off.

I do still fly it mate (230 hours logged), and also spend a lot of time doing RAF skins for other people as well as my own enjoyment,
however I am part of a squad and the great hope was that we could move on from 1946 (modded) to this for co-ops etc.
However as the Channel map (the main reason to buy a Battle of Britain simulation I would have thought) cannot be used
and the other 'arcade' kiddy fantacy maps are no good for a BoB Sim (in my opinion) we have all but dropped the idea of using it.

As for the 'first year is tough' bit, well, from its release 1C have been stringing us along with promise after promise that transformed into
basically saying that CLoD will be fixed when BoM is released.
Now I read this, possibly incorrectly, that we will need to buy BoM for a complete fix to CLoD, a game we have all spent money on to purchase.

[JTDawg]

Sorry , Don't care about screen shots, of what will be anouther broke game!!! I already said smoke an mirrors . But like many others screw bom I bought clod. The ship is slowly sinking an history will finger you!!! for incompatance, an fooler ship OLEG must be proud of you, your a liar !! No trust NO MONEY!!!You screwed the pooch on this 1 . This is not at you Blacksix, your just the bad news bear, I believe the CLOD Community, is being played like a fiddle at a backwoods hodown , The jokes on us!!! good one !!! you got us LMAO

[catito14]

"This week we have completed all the planned work on the patch"...but not completed the internal testing.

Well, if you agree with that, quite a patience you have ... they finished the planned work (6 months) but they need assemble and then do the internal test? (when in the last update they said that they are almost ready to release the patch, but in an afternoon reunion decided to postpone a little bit)... then they do not finished the work, because the work includes the internal testing to see if all goes right.
They still kicking the ball forward, and fanboys buy the vapor

[Meusli]

They have already released one alpha/beta patch that they worked a long time on, why would they walk away now? People need to put things in perspective, it's not like they are keeping oxygen from us.

[SiThSpAwN]

Landscape and all objects is WIP.

WIP, but is it from a game engine or a render from a 3D program?

[bongodriver]

Well, if you agree with that, quite a patience you have ... they finished the planned work (6 months) but they need assemble and then do the internal test? (when in the last update they said that they are almost ready to release the patch, but in an afternoon reunion decided to postpone a little bit)... then they do not finished the work, because the work includes the internal testing to see if all goes right.
They still kicking the ball forward, and fanboys buy the vapor


This 'fanboy' label is getting boring and is pure childishness, what possible sense could it make for a sofware company to just sit there doing 'nothing', what we are being told sounds plausible, I see no reason why a developer who is suffering badly from a bad release shouldnt be being very carefull over the release of the major fix, if they crumble to the pressure of 'whingeing' they might push it out prematurely again and it's back to square 1 and probably game over and everyone can clear out their desks, their children can starve but none of you would care because you had to spend £50 which most of us could piss on a wall in 1 night.

[MadTommy]

A few days to fix this, a few days to fix that....


Laughable.

TY BS(not your fault)

Aw come on.. BS said "testing in the coming days.....difficult to give an exact release date....list of changes will also be published later."

That means it will all be sorted and done in 3 days. He couldn't be clearer. Have some faith. :grin:

Priceless Update.

[No1 Cheese]

Has the original post been doctored? i was at work today and i read the following quote,now its gone?

They sad they wouldnt release anything until they was happy:-):-):-):-):-):-)[QUOTE=BlackSix;436641]Good evening gentlemen!

Sorry, we’re not releasing anything until we are happy with it.

I do not expect a developer to. I'm currently unhappy though.

Septic.

What a joke,as stated by most not interested in the sequel,ill prob get it(after reading reveiws)only because there is nothing else out there.
I bought a game about The Battle of Britain.

Shame



Cheese

[kristorf]

Yes Cheese, it has been edited, originally it said basically that nothing would be posted and there were screenshots only of something not related to any patch

[No1 Cheese]

So even the updates are getting doctored !!!!!

Bloody hell i know there in Russia but i aint!!!!!

What a joke.

[Pegasus_Eagle]

Sorry , Don't care about screen shots, of what will be anouther broke game!!! I already said smoke an mirrors . But like many others screw bom I bought clod. The ship is slowly sinking an history will finger you!!! for incompatance, an fooler ship OLEG must be proud of you, your a liar !! No trust NO MONEY!!!You screwed the pooch on this 1 . This is not at you Blacksix, your just the bad news bear, I believe the CLOD Community, is being played like a fiddle at a backwoods hodown , The jokes on us!!! good one !!! you got us LMAO

+1 & +1 & +1 well you get the idea

i think i said the same just not quite so colorful nice wording

[kestrel79]

A few of those shots of the LA-5 up high look indeed to be from the game engine on a fall setting map.

The WIP autumn trees still look a tad too bright and out of place compared to the rest of the landscape. There also appears to be at least some form of AA on the plane, except for the control wires. I still want to see some actual clouds, hopefully they are reworking those.

[Insuber]

Hi BlackSix,

Honestly I appreciated the pics of the beautiful La-5. Thank you for posting them. As far as the patch, better late but good than early but faulty. And also - better late than never ... :-)

Cheers!

[addman]

LOL! Thanks B6 for doing the dirty work luthier should be doing. BTW, how are those "couple of days clouds and grass" fixes coming along? Would be nice if you could re-introduce removed features soon.

[Trooper117]

''Gordon Bennett'' springs to mind.. oh well, situation normal. :)

[Canine]

Good evening gentlemen!

...........all the planned work on the patch........ ![/B]


Really, WoW!........"planned" work. This was the known plan from the beginning.

Any-hoot, I still love the game...........even as is. But, please don't promise something and then not deliver.............it gets old.

Good luck with the patch.......I'll continue to be patient and wait now. Tuddles!

K9

[No1 Cheese]

You know what, a year or so ago i would have thought that we would have been looking at pics of Hampdens,Whirlwinds or Lysanders etc etc etc apart from LA what ever.Am i the only one that feels like this,so much promised so little given. I feel HAD.
Ive backed this game up so much in the past(even telling my numerous Squad mates that all will be good in the end) when is the end of this joke(wanted to say bullshit but thought i would get banned)
Pics of the sequel what we dont want dont really work does it???
Want pics of the game(no we dont really!!) that we was promised.
I spent days trying to make missions for the die hard Squad mates over Christmas period(really got into it) XMAS PERIOD that was 6 months ago and nothing worked then and NOTHING has changed.I dont think they know the time people spend(that they cant get back) on trying to make this thing work.
Its soooo unimpressive now its boring.
I check this forum for the pilots page(which has some really interesting posts)and the skins page.
Apart from that its a joke.

Cheese

[Blackdog_kt]

This is a Q&A thread. So, expect that at some point during the day/night, every single post that is not a question, answer or comment on the update itself to be moved to the other sticky which is the discussion thread. I just have to set aside a couple of hours to clean this mess, but it will be done.

If non-Q&A posts appear faster than i can move them, the thread will be locked while i do it. If the situation persists after the clean up, infractions will be handed out. There's a perfectly good, visible, sticky thread for discussion. Take the discussion there.

[ataribaby]

Basicaly i trashed my 50$. I lost more. Life goes on. I am finished with this line of sims.

[HeavyDelta]

They have already released one alpha/beta patch that they worked a long time on, why would they walk away now? People need to put things in perspective, it's not like they are keeping oxygen from us.

Name something in that alpha patch that they "worked a long time on" that made you say "Ah! Excellent! They are on the right track!"

I honestly did not see one thing that was better in the alpha, and I even saw many things that were worse!

[Mango]

Gee, remember when IL-2 updates were fun and generated interesting discussions?

I can't believe all the threads in here by people whining for the last 18 months that they're disappointed in a games they spent 50 bucks on! A year and a half, are you sh*t*ng me?! Get a frickin life!

Man, I'm ashamed to be losely associated with these hobbiests.

[Jadehawk]

Having been away doing much in my life other than playing IL-2, I too have been waiting for the patch. But I also understand patience is needed and I see too many not waiting for this. \
Oleg and gang, keep up the good work and as always, release when it's ready! I'll be there when you do.
As for the screen shots, the La-5 series has been and shall be my all time favorite WWII fighter to fly. With the La-5FN and La-7, flying and fighting was a joy. I cannot wait when this is released so I can once again enjoy it all over again. :) No doubted I'll do my own skins and all that too. WINK

[kristorf]

Gee, remember when IL-2 updates were fun and generated interesting discussions?

I can't believe all the threads in here by people whining for the last 18 months that they're disappointed in a games they spent 50 bucks on! A year and a half, are you sh*t*ng me?! Get a frickin life!

Man, I'm ashamed to be losely associated with these hobbiests.

Constructive post.............................................. ......

[Tigertooo]

As Blackdog_kt pointed out in page 9 of this thread, it seems i can ask questions about the update in a polite way.I also have the right to express if i am displeased or not with this update. So here i go:
The question to the Devs team is the following: although vague in the update, can the Devs confirm there will be a a solid patch that will solve most bugs that are forwarded the last six months and earlier?
Will this patch be released in a reasonable time, such as 1 month or 2 monthts the latest?
If i get a possitive answer on both questions i will be a happy custumor.If i get no answer, i want to use my right to be displeased and in that case i would suggest to the Devs to hire a bus, cross the channel, where they will see at Biggin Hill, Hawkinge etc... the following grave:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/Tigertooo/kruis5.jpg

[Blackdog_kt]

Your post was fine, until you decided to jam that little jab at the end.

Come on people, is it so damn difficult to refrain from trying to irritate others on purpose? Sigh... :confused:

[Tigertooo]

Your post was fine, until you decided to jam that little jab at the end.

Come on people, is it so damn difficult to refrain from trying to irritate others on purpose? Sigh... :confused:

Sorry Blackdog_kt, i had no intention to irritate who ever. It is my inner conviction that if the Devs don't come with something consistent in a reasonable time, Clod will be dead very soon ,as well will be the sequel, and many dissapointed reactions on the forum point that way.That is only my humble opinion.Let the Devs prove i'm wrong, but they are running out of time i think

[carguy_]

I can. They're really annoying and their constant complaining is not helping anyone.
Agree. If someone says that CloD is dead then he should leave. Eitherway, there`s nothing more left for him other than spoil others` experience (trolling).

[bongodriver]

Let the Devs prove i'm wrong


Now theres an idea.....

[carguy_]

Is there any other WWII Sim? I dont think so ...
Well you can say that all day long. Won`t work. Any reason for complaining is good.

[smink1701]

Name something in that alpha patch that they "worked a long time on" that made you say "Ah! Excellent! They are on the right track!"

I honestly did not see one thing that was better in the alpha, and I even saw many things that were worse!

Exactly

[sallee]

I drop in here once a week to see if anything has happened and then potter off again. I'd be a proper twat to sit here fulminating and shouting about it all. Life is worth more than that. If it works, I'll be delighted. Thank God my life is more than getting angry at people about a flight sim.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

We are however releasing some more screenshots from the upcoming sequel.
Very Cool! Can't wait for the sequel!

[XE90]

I Must agree, I formed a great squad for this sim and now we are having member drop out or dont show because of the current condition. With the past IL2 sims they where fun and alot of action.

This one after a year has went backwards and promoting the next sim more , even before this one fixed.


:confused:

[Attila]

IMO the boys in Moskow are building Potemkin villages! Let us give the crouds some pics of some planes, don't give answers to the questions and let us do nothing! And sometimes if we dont do nothing, we have some holidays! We are all doomed!:evil:

[arthursmedley]

Thanks for the update Blacksix. Very pleased to see the plane set for the sequel expanding too. The LA5 will be a great addition and hopefully indicates a FW190 or a BF109G2 is in the works.

[MadTommy]

This is a Q&A thread. So, expect that at some point during the day/night, every single post that is not a question, answer or comment on the update itself to be moved to the other sticky which is the discussion thread. I just have to set aside a couple of hours to clean this mess, but it will be done.

If non-Q&A posts appear faster than i can move them, the thread will be locked while i do it. If the situation persists after the clean up, infractions will be handed out. There's a perfectly good, visible, sticky thread for discussion. Take the discussion there.

Who's going to answer the questions Blackdog? No one ever answer any questions here. Unless 'I don't know' is a meaningful answer.

[trademe900]

This is now becoming some sort of joke I think. I will not touch the sequel, on both a matter of principle and a loss of interest.

I just want a working product for the good money I paid, now.

[robtek]

This product IS working for many people, though it's by far not flawless.

And the sequel, as i understood all information about it, is just a expansion for the same game engine, which is also improved over the time, but nothing completely new.

[nakedsquirrel]

Blacksix, you said the team worked on clouds in the previous update, do you have any screenshots of the new clouds, or is it just the same Il2 clouds with better distance rendering?

[Meusli]

Name something in that alpha patch that they "worked a long time on" that made you say "Ah! Excellent! They are on the right track!"

I honestly did not see one thing that was better in the alpha, and I even saw many things that were worse!

Improved speed and less CTD for me, they completely rewrote the engine which is no small task. Yes features were missing but they should be added back with this patch.

[Luftwaffepilot]

Improved speed and less CTD for me, they completely rewrote the engine which is no small task.

If the "complete rewrite of the engine" was such a great deal, then tell me why it didn't solve any of the problems like micro stutter, performance hit by particle, cloud and grass? We got bit more fps, bit fewer micro stutter, performance hit by particle cloud and grass still there.

Yes features were missing but they should be added back with this patch.

Features that caused the hickups were taken out and when we get more fps it's the "complete rewrite of the engine" ? Seriously ...

[smink1701]

That's the really frustrating part...we will wait another three to four weeks for another alpha and it won't be much different from what we have now...bank on it.

[kyletiernan]

Class Action Lawsuit anyone? When we purchased this game we were under the impression that this game worked! Now it seems like they are abandoning it for the sequel and week after week we hear the same thing. Who wants their money back?

[bongodriver]

Now it seems like they are abandoning it for the sequel


the sequel depends on COD being fixed, the sequel will use the COD engine, they can make the content for the sequel 'without' interfering with the progress on the fix for COD because 3d modellers and artists 'do not' write code.

[nynek]

Nice Screenshots nevertheless.
But may i ask how a LaG-5 fits in to the BoM (BoM = Battle of Moscow) Timeframe?

Kongo-Otto may I add You to my friends?

nynek

[nynek]

That they can`t find anything better to do?

carguy... with all due respect what is your nick on multiplayer and time zone?

nynek

P.S.

I'm nynek since 1993 btw.

[Luno13]

If the "complete rewrite of the engine" was such a great deal, then tell me why it didn't solve any of the problems like micro stutter, performance hit by particle, cloud and grass? We got bit more fps, bit fewer micro stutter, performance hit by particle cloud and grass still there.

Particles will always cause a hit to performance. The more there are in a scene, the lower the frame-rates. You can manage this by lowering graphics settings.

[nynek]

The only pathetic here is the whining of patienceless people!

If the patch doesn't comes next week then mabe the week after.

The real life gives soo much more fun as a computer game, which could be written of as bad experience after all, if it comes to the worst case.

As long as the devs are still working on it, nothing is lost.

Tell me something robtek ... how the hell did You get senior member status on this forum ... by flying or writing ?

nynek

[dflion]

Thanks Blacksix for the update. The Lag-5 looks good and will obviously lead to a progressive update of this excellent fighter type.

Going back to Ilya's earlier comments about updating the series COD and BOM, it was my understanding that both Battle scenario's will use the same engine therefore when BOM is released with the Ju88A-4, you can fly this aircraft in COD etc. etc.

Hopefully BOM will release a Bf109F-2 which you could fly in COD, although to keep COD alive with the next phase after the Battle of Britain, from a marketing point of view, it would be excellent to see a Spitfire V, Typhoon and Focke Wulf 190A-2 or A3 released. The Typhoon was sadly left out of the old series and would be an ideal aircraft to have for the progression of the Western Front air battles.

I have been out of the scene for a while without a computer, I now have an excellent setup and am progressively updating some of my campaigns with a lot of new mission building scripting information. Sadly it has been a 'trial and error' progression without proper instructions, hopefully something has been written for BOM.

I am still enjoying COD, with all its faults it is still a mighty sim. In the Campaign mission building area I am finding out more and more every day which make the missions even better. Hopefully with the new patch to be released soon, things will get even better for COD - they will have to!

DFLion

[M1sF1rE]

Uninstalled CLOD about a month ago, I just come back here when I'm bored and out of . to read.

No sequel for me, for sure.

[28_Condor]

Very nice warbird, but la-5 is better in BoS (Battle of Stalingrad) than in BOM :!:

Or we would have all russian front? :grin:

[Sailor Malan]

These guys have basically stolen our money and now expect us to buy a new product and they can just write off the old. They should not be making a addon till the fix the first one we payed for:mad:

[O_Smiladon]

These guys have basically stolen our money and now expect us to buy a new product and they can just write off the old. They should not be making a addon till the fix the first one we payed for:mad:


This is crap guys.

Come and have some fun killing Zombies in Dayz;)

O_Smiladon

[Feathered_IV]

Very nice warbird, but la-5 is better in BoS (Battle of Stalingrad) than in BoM

Once again they will add a smattering of aircraft types willy nilly and not cover any one area properly. This is classic Luthier behavior and would be infuriating, if I wasn't already resigned to it about thee or four years ago.

[catito14]

Blacksix, could you inform us if the next patch will be an alpha, beta or a final patch? The sequel (the pictures that you showed us) will be like CloD? (SP and MP sim)
Thanks a lot
Regards

[Sailor Malan]

This is crap guys.quote)

Why is the software makers can sell half baked products lately O smilidon, and get away with it. You would not buy a new car and when you go to pick it up it only has 3 wheels fitted, and you are told the will give you the other 2 when they have enough. This is starting to become the norm with games now, they take your money and give you a crap unfinished games that takes months or years to get fixed. not having the money does not cut it for me any more.If they cant afford to make a product properly they should not be allowed to sell it before its finished.

[pencon]

You know what? Flawed as it is it's still a very cool sim. The most immersive in cockpit sim ever and the offline is alright . Not perfect yet but to me worth 49.99 or what ever it was, 49.99 is like pocket change .It doesn't buy much these days , but it does buy this flawed but still cool ww2 sim. Since this is the only option , I just wait it out . It was only 49.00 , you waste that easily in a couple of days with restaraunts , liquor and ciggies ( used to anyway ) .Face it many people needed to upgrade their computers anyway. Hypothetically if you could go back to the crappy computer you had , now that you've used your new one for a year, would you ? Sure I upgraded my computer too , but I needed to . The old one was a pile of crap .I don't use it only for this game , I have a pile of programs that need a good video card .

[Pluto]

What is, being told absolutally nothing, again??

From people I speak to the majority don't care about any add-on as most now won't touch it, all we ask is that what we have paid for is made workable.

100% agree ! ! !

...and now you can ban me again!
That`s what you do with those who dont hail and praise your work, right?
:twisted:

[Topo]

What is, being told absolutally nothing, again??

From people I speak to the majority don't care about any add-on as most now won't touch it, all we ask is that what we have paid for is made workable.

+1

[banned]

Blacksix, could you inform us if the next patch will be an alpha, beta or a final patch? The sequel (the pictures that you showed us) will be like CloD? (SP and MP sim)
Thanks a lot
Regards
You reckon you'll get an answer mate? :)

[Viking]

You reckon you'll get an answer mate? :)

Off course he will. When the patch is published and when the sequel is in the news he will!

Viking

[banned]

Off course he will. When the patch is published and when the sequel is in the news he will!

Viking
Lol, true mate.

[Helrza]

Thanks for the update and pics B6 :)

Just a quick question thou, will we be seeing the hurri IIb?

[Meusli]

...and now you can ban me again!
That`s what you do with those who dont hail and praise your work, right?
:twisted:

Looks like you were wrong.


@Luftwaffepilot


We do not know that yet, lets wait for the next patch as that will make everything a lot clearer. As it will be be fixed with all promised modules added or another patch that is the same state and fixes nothing. The next patch will be make or break for a lot of people.

[He111]

Thanks again B6, looks like some organised opposition tonight.

i've notied some other 1C games have lost user support, I wonder if 1C is in financial difficulty? considering GFC2 .. greeks not paying bills .. germans hoarding .. Russians drinking profits ? .. LOL!!:grin: only joking.

I'm still having a great time with Clod, currently playing operation Sealion .. Damn krauts have a bridge head and i cannot shot down any Ju88s! :mad:

.

[Osprey]

the sequel depends on COD being fixed, the sequel will use the COD engine, they can make the content for the sequel 'without' interfering with the progress on the fix for COD because 3d modellers and artists 'do not' write code.

They aren't fixing COD though are they? How long would it take to patch a few FM's? That would keep a lot of people happy.

[Ibis]

Well I'm back for my monthly peek to see what's been fixed--------
Nothing, still nothing, oh well back to il2 at least it gets better every day in every way.
cheers,
Ibis.

[bongodriver]

They aren't fixing COD though are they? How long would it take to patch a few FM's? That would keep a lot of people happy.


Why aren't they?, they can't release a sequel with the current state of the engine.

sure an FM patch would make some happy, an AI radio commands patch would make others happy, a DM patch would please some but a finalised graphics engine patch will make everyone happier.

[carguy_]

Class Action Lawsuit anyone? When we purchased this game we were under the impression that this game worked! Now it seems like they are abandoning it for the sequel and week after week we hear the same thing. Who wants their money back?
Oh yeah, the same old drivel from a year ago. Nothing changed. Still the same car analogies being thrown, obviously. And I didn`t hear about any lawsuit yet. Go look if the Bioware fans that have been devastated by ME3 ending got anything going. I`d say if you want to look even more idiotic, I`d recommend you do it.

[simast]

Go look if the Bioware fans that have been devastated by ME3 ending got anything going.

At least they have the free Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut DLC coming this week to address the ending. All we have is a new BS every Friday ;)

[catito14]

You reckon you'll get an answer mate? :)

The mods said that this thread it is to make questions .... well i made a question, now i`m waiting (in a very comfortable couch) to the answer ....

[He111]

Why can't 1C release BOM WITH bug fixes, we pay for BOM but get bug fixes as well. Just as long as bugs are being addressed. I've just had a look at BugTracker and not much seems to be happening ?? But I didn't look too deep.

.

[BG-09]

3D fault:

Definitely, the jack for outside-of-the-aircraft rotating, of the spinner of La-5, on the tip of the nose of the aircraft, is put backwards! This way the spinner can not be rotated!

Somebiody mentioned it before, I am just confirming!

~S!

[Icebear]

Why can't 1C release BOM WITH bug fixes, we pay for BOM but get bug fixes as well. Just as long as bugs are being addressed. I've just had a look at BugTracker and not much seems to be happening ?? But I didn't look too deep.

What did you expect? Anyway, when I see this wonderful "Chernobyl vegetation", especially the trees I don't need a friday update. I know, it's work in progress, but I've that kind of vegetation already in my shelf.... :(

http://www.abload.de/thumb/la-5_14lzkqh.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=la-5_14lzkqh.jpg)

[5./JG27.Farber]

Black 6, can you tell us some of the cities on the new maps for the sequal?

[SoldaatvanOranje]

Great news! Appreciate all the work! Curious about the sequel, where can I find more info?

[Ze-Jamz]

Great news! Appreciate all the work! Curious about the sequel, where can I find more info?

This forum..

Check for the 'update' threads..Not much info yet though

[Flanker]

i was hoping of them releasing next Pacific Fighters, not some Russian front:(

[rakinroll]

i was hoping of them releasing next Pacific Fighters, not some Russian front:(

Thanks god it is not pacific theater. As an axis player, i do not prefer fly in a Japanese fighters, at least for now.

Btw, tx for the patch info B6.

[Triggaaar]

Thanks for the screenshots... But I am 99% sure I will not be buying the sequel.Thanks for that fascinating post. Since we're sharing, I am 100% sure that I won't be buying a tennis racket this year.

[5./JG27.Farber]

i was hoping of them releasing next Pacific Fighters, not some Russian front:(

They seem to be going Chronologically, which makes sense as we saw in 1946 fb, people seem to prefer the faster, better armed late war aircraft.

My own observations naturally. ;)

[Ze-Jamz]

They seem to be going Chronologically, which makes sense as we saw in 1946 fb, people seem to prefer the faster, better armed late war aircraft.

My own observations naturally. ;)

Pacific fighters?, cant think of anything less appealing :cool:

[Al Schlageter]

Pacific fighters?, cant think of anything less appealing :cool:

What, you don't want to fly a Ki27 or a F2A or even a Spitfire over Darwin?

[Ze-Jamz]

What, you don't want to fly a Ki27 or a F2A or even a Spitfire over Darwin?

No Thankyou..

[ATAG_Septic]

Thanks for that fascinating post. Since we're sharing, I am 100% sure that I won't be buying a tennis racket this year.

Arguments aside, this is response made me laugh, out loud.

Cheers :)

[Sakis70]

what is, being told absolutally nothing, again??

From people i speak to the majority don't care about any add-on as most now won't touch it, all we ask is that what we have paid for is made workable.
+1000000

[Allons!]

Why aren't they?, they can't release a sequel with the current state of the engine.

They did with CoD so wheres the problem? I will certainly buy the sequel in the Collectors edition - from E-bay :grin:

[MadMacGunner]

JAJAJA español? ajaja creeme, este es el sitio en el que menos creia que iva a encontrar a un español, lets back in english, this is a JOKE!, DEVS, tell us more!, and more of the patch! , and its current state, i want 100% it doesent matter that i dont understand all but , but we will see if they are working or not.



Buenas. Pues hay más de los que parece,¿eh?,jejeje:grin:

And as usual....another "update" meaning "nodate".

I´m not going to buy BOM......at least till CLOD is completelly developed.
So, for me, don´t worry about posting more pics. I don´t even look at them.
why to buy a product that you nou will be defective.
Another week, another joke.

[satchenko]

Buenas. Pues hay más de los que parece,¿eh?,jejeje:grin:

And as usual....another "update" meaning "nodate".

I´m not going to buy BOM......at least till CLOD is completelly developed.
So, for me, don´t worry about posting more pics. I don´t even look at them.
why to buy a product that you nou will be defective.
Another week, another joke.

Mas gente hablando castellano de la que creian, es cierto.
Avisenme por favor cuando salga un parche por Steam, hace como un año que compré esta porqueria, y cada vez que entro a este foro me siento como un condon usado.

[drifter11]

Hey BS fix CLOD before you try to sell a addon for a sim that does not work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!........................................

[robtek]

Hey BS fix CLOD before you try to sell a addon for a sim that does not work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!........................................

Hey Drifter11, the addon isn't even announced officially and it only works when the CoD-engine works also, not that it isn't completely unusable already.

[Fjordmonkey]

Thanks for the news, seeya next week! :D

[catito14]

Buenas. Pues hay más de los que parece,¿eh?,jejeje:grin:

And as usual....another "update" meaning "nodate".

I´m not going to buy BOM......at least till CLOD is completelly developed.
So, for me, don´t worry about posting more pics. I don´t even look at them.
why to buy a product that you nou will be defective.
Another week, another joke.

Capaz seria bueno abrir una seccion del foro en castellano ... bah, este muchacho B6 todavia esta aprendiendo a hablar en ingles, si tiene que aprender a hablar en castellano (el cual es mil veces mas complicado) vamos fritos .... mejor que se centren en el juego jajaj.

[MB_Avro_UK]

Hi all,

Cliffs of Dover is the best. We know it is.

Wait.

Wait.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

[Feathered_IV]

Not the best. Just the most ambitious.

[MB_Avro_UK]

Not the best. Just the most ambitious.

Yes. Ambitious to be the best. And will be the best.

You and I know it.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

[Chivas]

Hey BS fix CLOD before you try to sell a addon for a sim that does not work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!........................................

Don't worry the devs are well aware that very few will buy the sequel until the game engine is fixed. EVERYTHING depends on fixing the game engine. If its fixed COD and every sequel after COD will do just fine. If its not fixed you will probably never see a sequel released, unless the investors want to get a minor portion of their investment dollars back before shutting the development down.

[alado]

y lo peor de todo es que el parche que sacarán, no es para arreglar el simulador, sino para hacer a toda la comunidad de betatester de su MMO haciendo las pruebas con el clod, asín que tenéis toda la razón somos condones usado y para colmo hemos tenido que pagar para que nos usen. Bueno no digamos nada mas, vaya que se enfaden y sigamos diciendo como borregos:
Thanks for update, and have a good weekend

PD. el la es feo de coones :lol:

[zapatista]

Black6,

thx for letting us know work is still proceeding on bug fixes and performance issues

but are gameplay issues also being addressed and even understood to be as important to include in patches ?

under the surface of CoD is a very complex sim that has heaps of possibilities (as we have seen from the 5 or 7 years of pre-release updates from Oleg), but all this is largely untapped and no structured information (or means) is provided to the community on ho to access it, which is a WASTE !
eg,.....
- coop functions,
- means to script and control ground civilian AI (vehicles on roads, trains, even some shipping activity),
- scripting/planning/executing moving military troops and resources to front lines
- having moving frontlines on dynamic maps that have control of territory change (incl airfields) on red/blue sides
- the proviso that damaging or interrupting these lines of supply affects frontline troop performance or availability of fuel/munition resources at airfields, (this was even possible in Mig Alley sim over 10 yrs ago ffs)
- player penalties for damaging civilian vehicles/trains and structures like hospitals or prisoner camps (eg having to identify what you bomb/shoot),
- a 24/7 campaign engine that can keep running on a server for several weeks with players from all world locations to join and fly tasked missions (or go free flight) on a map with a battle scenario where their activity has an effect on the ground/air battle taking place and the unfolding scenario

etc....

many of those elements should be available by a player accessed console or setting, eg degree/detail of having AI activities at airfields (ambulances, fire trucks, random AI activity of a few jeeps and trucks), as well as for civilian traffic on roads (density, type, etc), and means to control and direct some basic front-line movements (which we can then direct our aircraft activity at defending or supporting, leading to a varied outcome in the ground battle and resulting in front-line movements in that sector). and no, we dont want to waste 50 hrs learning some obscure few lines of codes to edit to get some partial access to it, 1C/MG can provide some simple interface console with a few basic hrs of programing from your staff and as a result 1000's of new customers will become interested in working with a complex and multifaceted flight-sim (and most of these features are already programmed under the hood, we just need to be given some anno 2012 means of accessing them)

what a big waste, waste, waste of all those hours of programing !!

IS THERE REALLY NOBODY IN 1C/MG MANAGEMENT WHO CAN SEE THIS AND UNDERSTANDS ITS IMPORTANCE ?

only providing a few limited gameplay options that result in just having a few air-quake servers online is BORING !! moat of the il2 players have been there, done that for a few months or a couple of years and quickly became bored with it, limiting CoD and BoM to the same old limitations (while il2 with customer mods had evolved way past that) is BORING, yet you have most of what is needed to take it to the next level already built into the sim, JUST GIVE US ACCESS TO IT !!


at this stage with CoD, and all the glaring omissions, bugs, performance issues, AND MISSING CONTENT, to post more promises and new pretty pictures of a non existent BoM is of no interest however for most of us

[BlackSix]

We understand but you know what we have another plans about CloD.

[pilo]

Please dont shoot me if I missed this somewhere but I dont get why there are russian planes here in Cliffs of Dover? I was a big fan of IL2 series, even early betatested IL2 but since then we got plenty of opportunities to play russian planes. Since then introducing such move and omitting other possibilities that are far more adequate for this theatre would be a step backward (for me).

Even ground war would be very interesting in that case.

I have problems with seeing the future for this sim because there is not a single (official) announcement that would set clear roadmap for it.

I am unable to play the game on my laptop despite it is very powerfull.

All of the things I mentioned would be just minor remarks if the developer would set the deadline to correct the bugs and keep the sim consistent. Yes - clear deadline and info about future addons (if you plan any) because waiting will kill interest.

Best regards
Michal

[furbs]

We understand but you know what we have another plans about CloD.


Black6, is the June announcement still going to happen?

Other plans for COD? interesting.

[Feathered_IV]

We understand but you know what we have another plans about CloD.

Yikes. Anyone else getting nervous?

[BlackSix]

Black6, is the June announcement still going to happen?
Other plans for COD? interesting.

It depends on leadership 1С, we are waiting as you.
Plans for CloD is old, no some news.

[Fjordmonkey]

Yikes. Anyone else getting nervous?

Nah, not really. Play MMO's for a few years, and you'll learn to deal with any eventuality that might arise :P

[planespotter]

Please dont shoot me if I missed this somewhere but I dont get why there are russian planes here in Cliffs of Dover? I was a big fan of IL2 series, even early betatested IL2 but since then we got plenty of opportunities to play russian planes. Since then introducing such move and omitting other possibilities that are far more adequate for this theatre would be a step backward (for me).

It is because after this next patch Cliffs of Dover will be abandoned. The devs, what are Russian, are now using the Cliffs of Dover sales to do the sim they really wanted to do, which is Battle for Moscow. The reason why they even are patching is just to keep some sales of Cliffs of Dover going, to make the money needed for BfM which is still years away.

Is not that hard to understand. Russian devs, Russian theatre, Russian planes.

PS

[zapatista]

We understand but you know what we have another plans about CloD.

BlackSix,

thanks for your reply and further information

the problem however remains unchanged, even if an MMO is planned later which plans to include some of those features i listed (or will overlap with some of it)

right now CoD has major content gaps and omissions, which are unlikely to be resolved by the time BoM is to be released (since no information is provided on 1c/MG even recognizing these problems exist), and even if BoM will include some new major features like basic control over some ground vehicles which will eventually be included in an MMO type setting, this does NOT address the concerns i mentioned in my previous post !

if you have a look at DCS's version of an MMO being due for the release at the end of june 2012 (http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=89468), they are ready with a multi featured and very complex addon for their game series (including a special version for their p51 battlefield environment with expanded AI ww2 planesets to fight against which is not yet officially announced ), this level of detail in an MMO product by 1C/MG is most unlikely since they state themselves they have been to busy with fixing CoD and getting ready for BoM to do much else (or else it would mean fixing CoD has been priority number 3 or even lower on their list, which is not what they have been assuring us all these months while we frustratingly wait for CoD fixes).

we need urgently some better/improved features and gameplay control elements for CoD to expand the user base and keep current customers interested, even if eventually there will be a much better and expanded version of MMO released later

dont make the mistake to again have months/years of promises of the holy land being about to be delivered, and meanwhile your boat has sailed and all your customers are gone to either do something else or have gone to the competition who have passed you by. there is 10 yrs of customer loyalty you are in the process of loosing, which is an asset none of your competitors have so far, once you loose that and other competing products have surpassed you, it is not something you can get back in a hurry, causing further loss of income to 1C/MG, which means reduced revenue, which means reduce staff and employees to fix/make things, which means less product fixes and features, then less products, and the POOF you are completely gone while you wonder what happened and are only left with dreams of what could have been.

you can only stop and reverse this downward spiral by addressing some of the main issues i mentioned SOON and expand some gameplay features to keep your currently very frustrated old customer base interested and hope to maintain some goodwill. several of these missing/lacking gameplay elements are already built in, and can be implemented fairly quickly in some basic form, since most features and coding is already built in and we now "just" need methods to access it with some sort of control panel or user interface. having gfx engine bug fixes that make the game playable you claim yourself are now mostly resolved, so SOME of your effort and energy can be directed to quickly resolve/add some of the missing elements i listed earlier.

[BlackSix]

It's the good advice, thanks, but you don't know about our inner situation and I can't say about it also. We will make that we can.

[kendo65]

We understand but you know what we have another plans about CloD.

Cryptic...as usual ;)

So now I'm thinking that hopefully it's the first of the two options below.......? :)

[Majo]

Salutes all!

It seems apparent to me that all of us who come from the old IL2 school are not the target of the new plans about which B6 is indirectly referring.
We all try to request and argue for what we think we deserve from CloD, for what we used to have and have to have back, the promises all of us
understood in our own way… but I am afraid we are out.

At this stage it seems that all we can look forward to is an almost acceptable solution to (what they consider) the main problems of CloD, the final
patch/fix. Not because of CloD its self, but because there are things you just have to close before you are able to keep moving forward.

Will see… but the good all times are gone for good. Let see what the new ones bring.
Majo