DirectX 9 Poll

[Aer9o]

Do you use DirectX 9?

[_YoYo_]

Do you use DirectX 9?

The result is obvious but in next Friday we will see just next text with "very soon" not next beta patch because "we work on now on DX9" and havent a time to improve the rest for community :\.

I'll bet.

[Aer9o]

The support of this title should be customer driven, virtually none of us have Directx9 only enabled cards. We urge the developers to listen to the customers and kindly provide support for modern and contemporary hardware!

[He111]

I don't need it.

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[Winger]

Noone needs it except for people that have such old PCs that anyhow cant run CLOD right. So in my opinion DX9 is just a subterfuge for why the patch isnt here already. And the truth - hopefully i am wrong - is that all resources work on the new sequel and about clod noone at 1C cares anymore since they made their money with it already.
Just like in ROF where the devs only make what brings money but dont fix whats obviously broken in the game.

Winger

[pupo162]

No I do not BUT I think it should be supported at this stage

[JG52Krupi]

No I do not BUT I think it should be supported at this stage

+1

[SlipBall]

Poll should be at Sukhoi.ru :grin:

[mazex]

In Russia Windows XP is still a common OS so I guess that is why... And we all know why a user with a computer that can run this game would choose XP? ;) So let the pirates rot in the future - but as the current box says DirectX 9 there is no option but to support it in the patch, no matter how much we whine... I tried starting CloD in Dx9 once for testing and got half the FPS and the visual quality was awful. It must hurt to sit there trying to fix it when 95% of the customers use Windows 7. But still - this game is released with Dx9 on the box so no choice.

[Dano]

Lol @ poll options.

[Viking]

Lol @ poll options.

+1

Viking

[philip.ed]

No I do not BUT I think it should be supported at this stage

Exactly what I came here to post.

[6BL Bird-Dog]

I cannot vote on this as it is a pretty dumb choice.
I do not use DX9 but am happy to support those who bought the game because they do use it and as has been said already was probably a requirement of the original contracted requirements when the game was comissioned.

[Stirwenn]

i do not use Dx9 and voted in consequence... i can't barely not imagine a past 5 years old computer running this game decently and this is the fact till the birthdate.
Supporting DX9 is just a matter of money as for me and not pointed to computer users but console user... in game sound is already set to be used in console. I may think that as usual we know a quarter of what it's going on in the office.

[Bokononist]

I do not use DX9 but am happy to support those who bought the game because they do use it and as has been said already was probably a requirement of the original contracted requirements when the game was comissioned.

Yes indeed, they have to support it, I don't think there is a dx9 card out there that can run the game properly, but there are many xp users out there with capable hardware who would be left in the cold if it was dropped.
Maybe it wasn't the most sensible decision to support it in the first place, but that decision, having been made, must be adhered to.

[ElAurens]

Flawed poll.

Choices lead to the outcome you want to see.

Do you work for the Democratic Party in the US by any chance?


:eek:

[Heliocon]

Yea but the dx9 usage will only go DOWN from now on, well 2 years ago that was true too. In 1 year time I bet dx9 will be out in Russia/Asia because we are now on gen 3 dx11, gen 5 dx10? They are trying to dump dx11 cards at cheap prices now, they havent manufactured new dx9 cards at all for atleast 2 years, in fact nvidia made the last 500 series batch about 3 months ago: aka dx11 card prices will start dropping very fast now, let alone dx10. This dev output needs new managment.

[Blackdog_kt]

I cannot vote on this as it is a pretty dumb choice.
I do not use DX9 but am happy to support those who bought the game because they do use it and as has been said already was probably a requirement of the original contracted requirements when the game was comissioned.

Exactly my view. People chipped in to support the sim and are waiting to fly it. I don't care if they have a 4-month old card or a 4-year old card. If the game told them "i will work on your PC" (system requirements), it should work on their PC. It will not be as fast or as pretty, but it should work.

I can't vote because the poll choices are too one sided. There should be more options, for example

"i don't use it but i want it supported for the owners of DX9 systems who bought the sim", etc.

[MadBlaster]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Wikimedia_OS_share_pie_chart.png

Why do I need to buy a new operating system just to play one game? How come it's not on Linux? Why do I have to be married to Microsoft to play CLOD? Why do you keep saying you need a dx9 card when dx10 card will play dx9? LIES, LIES, AND MORE LIES. This game will never be fixed. It is dead.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Do you use DirectX 9?
Not anymore..

Sadly, legally, it looks like CoD will have to continue DX9 support

Hopfully the comming sequal will drop DX9 support!

But I guess it all depends on how big 1C thinks the DX9 market is.. Based on what has been said thus far it appears they think it is big enough to put some effort into supporting it.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Wikimedia_OS_share_pie_chart.png/
PS I didn't vote

[robtek]

I didn't vote either for the obvious reasons.

What some posters dont seem to realize is, that it's not the graphics card but the OS which forces to use DX9.

[5./JG27.Farber]

I voted yes because your poll is not fair. It also puts words in my mouth. :rolleyes:

[Aer9o]

I voted yes because your poll is not fair. It also puts words in my mouth. :rolleyes:




....not fair, o dear, what you are on about???

[_YoYo_]

I dont know now ANY person who uses a Win XP for home/gaming. In business yes (for office, price of licence ect.), but not for any kind of play....

[Pudfark]

I agree with the others that this poll has the appearance of being a bit biased in the choices presented. However, I voted against DX9.

I built my computer system for DX11, because of the implied spec's on the CloD box. Nothing against anybody running XP, I've still got it on my 6 year old laptop.

[GOA_Potenz]

everybody talks about dx9 is for pirated xp installs, hey i'm using a pirated win 7 so that is a no sense claim, if you have a DX9 card how the hell you can run CloD??? at 5fps, why we have to be waiting for months for a bunch of ruskys that doesn't want to upgrade hardware???

[_YoYo_]

everybody talks about dx9 is for pirated xp installs,
... oh no, its a waste of time for 1C and time for next reason for delay of patch for me....350 bugs on bugtracker wait for be resolved.

[robtek]

everybody talks about dx9 is for pirated xp installs, hey i'm using a pirated win 7 so that is a no sense claim, if you have a DX9 card how the hell you can run CloD??? at 5fps, why we have to be waiting for months for a bunch of ruskys that doesn't want to upgrade hardware???

Oh fountain of wisdom, please replace "want" with "can't" in your sentence, to prove the title i gave you wasn't taken completely out of the air.

[GOA_Potenz]

alright they can't, but to be honest dx10 cards had been out for long time now and are very cheap nowdays, i live in argentina and i know how is to update your hardware with very inflated prices i paid 600 us dollar for my video card when in usa is around 350, i'm not even close to be a millonare but as i love simming i work hard and save money to keep my pc up to date, that's why i said that the "want", didn't want to be offensive.

[AndyJWest]

I have no intention in voting in this ridiculously-worded poll. In any case, has it not occurred to anyone that 1C may well be contractually bound to Ubisoft and/or Steam to support Dx9 - especially since that is what was claimed when the software was released?

If 1C say they have to support DX9, I'll take their word for it. If they say it makes commercial sense to do it, I'll likewise take their word for it. If they give no reason whatsoever why they are doing it, it is still their decision, not one to be taken on a forum full of complainers and 'experts' who clearly know little about what they are on about.

If the next patch meets expectations, I'll be giving CloD another go. If it doesn't, I'm having too much fun on RoF to be that bothered. I'm certainly not going to waste my time adding to this endless stream of pointless speculation, whinging, and negativity.

[41Sqn_Stormcrow]

I don't vote because I think DX9 should be there as it was written on the box. I would have voted for "bring DX10 patch now and DX9 compatibility patch later" though.

[pencon]

8 people need a new computer.

[AndyJWest]

If the only people that are still interested in CloD are those that vote in these pointless polls, it is doomed anyway...

[ElAurens]

if the only people that are still interested in clod are those that vote in these pointless polls, it is doomed anyway...

qft

[pencon]

The only person I see whining here , is you andy .

[Skoshi Tiger]

Question for this poll need revision.

I not going to vote because each of the options is a compound response and neither of the options fit my views.

[klem]

No I do not BUT I think it should be supported at this stage

Unfortunately, like so many Polls, this Poll is biased. It leans towards abandoning Dx9 with no option for "I do not use Dx9 but I think it should be supported".

I voted against Dx9 only in the sense that I don't think they should bother for future releases if they believe the market is not there. They have a legal obligation to do so for CoD.

It would be interesting to see this Poll on the Russian forum,

[adonys]

Leaving DX9 out from Il2CoD it is not possible, as the game was sold with DX9 as minimum DX requirement.

What can be done is to put IL2BoM out as for DX10/DX11 only, and also make the free patches for DX10/DX11 only.

Thus, if you want to still use DX9, just do not apply the latest official patches to IL2CoD.

[Korn]

Here's the official Steam hardware survey (pc only):
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey?platform=pc

Win XP 32bit is used by 15.51% of pc users running Steam. Win XP64 by 0.52%. And percentages are dropping every month...

Imo the only rational reason to support dx9 in CoD is some sort of contractual obligation. Nowadays there are plenty of A games that will not run on Win XP. I liked Windows XP but those days are long gone.

[ems9]

I voted as well and It just got words in my mouth.
There is no way back, they said they gonna support DX9, doesn't matter how much the community rage. They got to do it.
Now about releasing a DX9 patch or a DX10+ patch, I bet that is not such a linear procedure. And by this time I bet they have already half of their work done, so we just need to be a little more patient, and wait for the patch to get released.

[Redroach]

Bad voting options. One option should be: "I don't indulge in collective idiocy and though I won't use DX9, I understand that it was supported at release and therefore, it has to be further supported until at least up to the release of the addon".

Though I don't use DX9, I voted for it because of the stated reason. Now stop that billshat and wait out the few days until the patch is released; in a proper state and not in some fikked up this-and-that-only version.

Goddarnitt, I could fly the thing relatively stutter-free since release and still, I had to cope with you guys, sporting some super-awkward hardware configuration while insisting upon running CoD in maximum graphics setting, raising hell about it, about green grass and "unrealistic propeller discs" (lol³).
Now that you've stumbled over some half-useful graphics hardware, you're pushing the boundaries of idiocy even further. I'm sick of it...

The sad part is that the devs were actually listening to those exact points, while delaying very, very essential parts about the simulation like AI radio commands, flight models, et cetera, et cetera, pp. and so on, which could have been easily fixed in a heartbeat or two. This was the most epic case of failure on the part of the devs and the most stupid things uttered from that so-caled "community" I've ever encountered since firing up my first connection to the internet in 1995...

[Zappatime]

Yeah, it would have been 'fairer' to ask whether or not you have a DX11 capable card and OS, not have the 'yes' option tagged to a criticism.

[JG53_Valantine]

The Poll options are very indicative of the OP's position - however I have to agree:
DX9 support in my oppinion, should be ceased considering it is an out of date medium which to quote from the "fresh stuff from Sukhoi 2" response - one that is used to 15% of users...... so why should the remaining 85% suffer because of a minority who have not, cannot or will not update their hardware or OS to the modern world!?

I know lots of people who have worked hard to build, buy or update their systems to handle CloD, why should we be forced to wait for dx9 stuff in a patch when we have taken those steps to be able to play the game on a reasonable system?

I can understand the arguement of "since it was advertised it should be supported" but it's been a year, plenty of companies stop supporting their products or elements of their prodcuts within that time frame - also we do not yet have a finished product so wasting time on a minority issue seems like warped priorities to me.

Unless of course it is as others say and is instead another thinly veiled delay mechanism?

Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy CloD and happily play it as regularly as possible - however I would also like to see it grow and improve - something I do not feel will be accomplished whilst they are still developing and creating support for an antique DX version that is almost a DECADE old now.
V

[klem]

..............."since it was advertised it should be supported" .....................whilst they are still developing and creating support for an antique DX version that is almost a DECADE old now.......
V

Unfortunately it wasn't just "advertised", it was "Sold".

Also remember that CoD development started about seven or eight years ago (almost a decade) when we were all still running XP.

[SiThSpAwN]

I thought it was bad enough people kept asking why they supported DX9 over and over again no matter how many times it was answered, but I forgot that someone could make a poll about it too...

[JG53_Valantine]

Unfortunately it wasn't just "advertised", it was "Sold".

Also remember that CoD development started about seven or eight years ago (almost a decade) when we were all still running XP.

True, and unfortunately I am sure that leaves them with potential legal issues if they haven't worded the EULA in such a way that they can withdraw support for DX9.

Hopefully they will drop support for it in BoM so things can progress at a faster pace without worrying too much about "extreme" backwards compatibility.

I'm only going on my own opinion which is that DX9 support is a bit of a waste of time since it doesn't benefit the majority, but I can appreciate and understand the flipside.

My only question remaining is more out of personal curiosity: has anyone actually gotten the game to run relatively well on a DX9 machine? I can't imagine my PC from ~6 years ago handling this and that was a pretty high spec machine: heck even my current machine has it's moments where it strains and I've built a pretty cutting edge machine for CloD.
V

[adonys]

the question about those 15% of DX9 users shouldn't be about suffering.. but about loses..

how many of the other 85% they are losing while spending time on ironing out the DX9 instead completing DX10 (or even DX11 for that matter) and adding new features?

and how many potential customers they are losing while working on DX9, instead adding more DX10/DX11 shiny graphics effects which could convince them to buy the IL2CoD/BoM?!!

[Redroach]

totally futile...

[ATAG_Doc]

That is 7% thus far. 14 of 202. Stunning nevertheless. You'd think it be prudent to give the masses what they desire now and add DX9 support as a deliverable.

[von Pilsner]

There is no way back, they said they gonna support DX9, doesn't matter how much the community rage. They got to do it.
Now about releasing a DX9 patch or a DX10+ patch, I bet that is not such a linear procedure. And by this time I bet they have already half of their work done, so we just need to be a little more patient, and wait for the patch to get released.

+1

[ATAG_Doc]

The shop should have 7% of the developers or the developers time working on supporting DX9. Unless there's something really compelling that suggest otherwise.

[AndyJWest]

totally futile...

Actually, I think the word you are looking for is 'infantile'. Start a poll with loaded answers on a question we can't answer because we don't have the necessary information (contractual obligations, market research etc, not to mention just how much work is actually involved in supporting DX9), and then when anyone points out that the poll is flawed and pointless, ignore it, and carry on with the same old "we don't want DX9" whining. Tough. It isn't your decision - and the developers would be ill-advised to take any notice of the small numbers who actually post on the forum anyway. If the potential CloD market was restricted to those who spend their time griping on the forum, the developers would be best advised to look for another job - but fortunately, it isn't. Frankly, starting pointless polls like this does nothing for CloD, and merely adds to the general air of negativity on the forum. I can't see why the moderators don't just put a stop to such nonsense, and lock meaningless threads like this. 1C have said they are supporting DX9, and that is all we need to know...

[GOA_Potenz]

93.61% vs 6.39 says all...

[ElAurens]

This poll says nothing.

It means nothing.

It was a troll post from the start.

[ATAG_Doc]

Not really. It's easily seen as a choice for the voter for DX9 or not. And DX9 is getting crushed. There are not any words that can describe the lopsidedness of this vote.

[AndyJWest]

Not really. It's easily seen as a choice for the voter for DX9 or not. And DX9 is getting crushed. There are not any words that can describe the lopsidedness of this vote.

How about 'irrelevant'?

[SiThSpAwN]

How about 'irrelevant'?

+1

[RickRuski]

Most players will be upgrading systems to cope with this sim, by the time BoM arrives most will have DX11 capable systems. Can't see the point in DX9 support for BoM, why spend valuble time supporting DX9 when probably very few will use it. XP system will be old hat by the time BoM arrives.

[AndyJWest]

93.61% vs 6.39 says all...

What about the 1,924 views this poll has currently had? That gives 208 "no" votes, 15 "yes" votes, and 1701 "can't be bothered to vote in this pointless poll" votes...

[Luno13]

+1 ;)

[ECV56_LeChuck]

The box says it supports DirectX 9 so for legal reasons I don't think they want to abandon dx9 support

[Warhound]

Sukhoi.ru has a similar poll..if better worded, and there the Dx9 users are at <5%
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=ru&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sukhoi.ru%2Fforum%2Fshowthread. php%3Ft%3D76205

I think there's little point arguing there are more Dx9 users than these 2 polls show. It might be pointless trying to get Dx9 dropped for CLOd, but with luck all the noise about it convinces the devs to at least drop it for whatever comes next.

Only 15% of Steam users still use XP, and you can bet your kidney that among flightsimmers that number is way way lower even.
"We" are known to have above average computers and by the time BOM/ IL2 MMO comes out that number will have dropped even more.
Who thinks the graphics guy spending weeks purely on Dx9 instead of hitflashes ,clouds,reflections,Anti aliasing,etc etc etc... is worth it for the future releases?

[RickRuski]

LeChuck,

The box says a lot of things that aren't quite true as regards minimum specs, just ask some of the purchasers that are trying to play this game with minimum specs. After nearly 18 months the sim is still not playable with the specs detailed as minimum on the box.

[adonys]

the 15% was from Black6's official word about the DX9's %, not from a poll on a forum

[AndyJWest]

the 15% was from Black6's official word about the DX9's %, not from a poll on a forum

Possibly - it doesn't alter the fact that 1C have said they are going to support DX9, nor does it alter the fact that we don't know what contractual obligations they may have. Without such information, we are in no position to say anything useful on the issue.

[ElAurens]

1. The decision to have Steam in CLOD was made by 1C Corporate.

2. 1C Corporate is not going to abandon what they see as 15% of the market.

3. DX9's inclusion is non-negotiable.


This thread is done.

[Codex]

Why is evryone so hell bent on keeping DX9 support?

I doubt any DX9 level cards would even run the interface at an acceptable frame rate.

Hell my 7970 runs slower when forced to use DX9 code, and I have yet to see anyone running CoD on an nVidia FX or ATI XT series card. Are those cards even supported in the specs of CoD?

DX9 support = use of an outdated API level, shrinking user base in terms of hardware, unessesary overhead in maintaining code.

Time to move on people.

[AndyJWest]

Why is evryone so hell bent on keeping DX9 support?

I don't know that anyone is. It isn't our decision though, and we don't know the reasons for the decision. How is this so difficult to comprehend?

[GOA_Potenz]

What about the 1,924 views this poll has currently had? That gives 208 "no" votes, 15 "yes" votes, and 1701 "can't be bothered to vote in this pointless poll" votes...

most of those are people watching the threath for replys. i could say more than 70%

[AndyJWest]

most of those are people watching the threath for replys. i could say more than 70%

You can say what you like. It doesn't alter the fact that this poll is meaningless...

[Redroach]

Good sayings, so far, AndyJWest :D

What would those people crying "DX11" say if they, for whatever reason, are stuck with the october, 2011 version of the game? 7% would have it that way, as of now.
There are decisions which can't exactly be resolved by majority vote, you know? If that was the case, American Indians would even have had a harder time than they have had already (example! Don't dive into that topic now!)...

[Force10]

Steam is dropping support for XP users on August 31st. Kinda ironic.

[Flanker35M]

S!

I think Steam support drops for those with XP and SP1 or lower so by looks of it XP with SP3 is still supported. Just my interpretation of it.

As of DirectX 9.0c support. ANY modern card that can run many games of today with reasonable FPS can run older DX versions. So kind of moot to always refer that so many have older rigs. Even a mid priced rig can beat the crap out of an old rig and upgrading to 64-bit OS for example is cheaper than buying a new one.

Matter of how you spend your money..for some a 90Eu/USD purchase of an OS seems expensive while they shell out the same in one evening at a bar or similar without any remorse..go figure ;)

Maybe people should go Windows 7 64-bit more then..And luckily some games in near future will be 64-bit only. Time to drop off the XP and 32-bit. Never looked back after going W7 64-bit.

[Redroach]

Stop it! Stop it! STOP IT! DX9 is supported on the CoD box -> CoD stays supported until at least the next (first? last? never-coming?) addon. Simple as that. Call it "contractual obligation" if you want to.

[Blackdog_kt]

What about the 1,924 views this poll has currently had? That gives 208 "no" votes, 15 "yes" votes, and 1701 "can't be bothered to vote in this pointless poll" votes...

It's too obvious, too reasonable and thus not the way we roll around here :-P

Ok, to be serious, i doubt anything that is said here can change things about CoD. What we can do is vote about what we'd like to see in the sequel, but CoD is bound to support it, simply because it said DX9 will be supported and people bought it that way. It's dead simple.

Like i said in the update thread, if you think the writing on the box doesn't matter then nobody can complain about the game not working. If it says DX9 but it shouldn't be fixed, then why should the "massive 128 pilot multiplayer" aspect be fixed? It's on the box too, so it should be irrelevant as well. Or the recommended specs giving the expected performance? It's also on the box :-P

You see, that's what's getting to me. It's not the fact that opinions differ, i'm fine with that. It's the selective reasoning and biased applying of deduction rules on a case by case basis that i can't stand.

What happened to "people bought this sim and they are entitled to fly it" ? Does this only apply to people who are DX10 capable and above? Or did nobody with a DX9 system buy it?

Not to mention that DX10 mode has been mostly playable for months. DX9 has been almost completely unplayable the whole time. So i don't see anyone having any ground to complain about being sidelined here, because if anybody is, it's the DX9 users first and foremost.

On a final note, remember our precious, shiny effects that we love so much and everybody was upset and accusing the devs of cutting features to artificially improve performance in the alpha patch when they went missing? They are coded entirely in DX9. So, if anyone wants to wait another couple months for the team to do all the effects from scratch on DX10 only, be my guest and support the exclusion of DX9.

It's pretty cut and dried guys. Even if they could drop DX9 legally, it's probably faster to optimize it and keep it, than redo all the DX9 features from scratch. And if they did drop it, let's be honest here, we all know what would happen. Some among the number of people who support dropping DX9 would be the first to complain that it's taking too long to get it done in DX10 and that we should have the DX9 features in the meantime to fill in the gaps. Which is exactly what they are doing now and everyone is up in arms about it.

We really don't know much about the reasons behind certain decisions, but this whole debate is hilarious simply because it largely ignores even what little we do know: that effects are done entirely in DX9 and scraping support for it would mean more patch delays to redo them from scratch in DX10.

No DX9 = patch takes longer. It's really that simple :-P

[Redroach]

[...]Or did nobody with a DX9 system buy it?[...]

Hey, I got an Idea about that! The OP could get some IP addresses etc. from 1C and question everyone by mail, phone, personal visit etc. if he/she uses DX9 hardware. If he can exclude each and everyone, maybe we will getting somewhere! :P

/ignored DX9 effects :rolleyes:

[Bobb4]

I voted in favour of Dx9. I do not see why excluding players for not having the latest and greatest graphics cards is a good idea.
When Dx12 comes out do you want developers to shaft you?
Dx9 is still common in many games and just because you have backward compatable cards you do not notice.

[zipper]

Poorly written poll, there is no available answer for me.

[SPUDLEY1977]

Here in stalingrad we insist that going backverds is more modern. So please disregard the rest of the vorldt and focus on stonehenge obelisks for our use of this cliffs of clover.

Krushchev is our true god and savior

[Pudfark]

I don't care who ya are....that's funny right there.:)

[major_setback]

As B6 stated, the majority of Eastern/Russian federation countries use it, so it has to be be supported (because unauthenticated versions of Dx10 operating systems don't exist).

Poll options are biased towards only one opinion.

I very much agree that it should be supported though it will not affect me personally. There is no poll option that suits this position.

[MBF]

Stop it! Stop it! STOP IT! DX9 is supported on the CoD box -> CoD stays supported until at least the next (first? last? never-coming?) addon. Simple as that. Call it "contractual obligation" if you want to.

This.

[Codex]

On a final note, remember our precious, shiny effects that we love so much and everybody was upset and accusing the devs of cutting features to artificially improve performance in the alpha patch when they went missing? They are coded entirely in DX9. So, if anyone wants to wait another couple months for the team to do all the effects from scratch on DX10 only, be my guest and support the exclusion of DX9.

...

No DX9 = patch takes longer. It's really that simple :-P


That just comes down to poor design of the graphics engine ... but then who am I to judge ;)

[FS~Phat]

This has run its course and been flogged to death and is just festering away.

The DX9 support still exists in the current official patch and is intended to be added again in another beta patch when the devs are ready.

They have heard you.

Thread Closed, enough said.