Friday Update, June 15, 2012

[BlackSix]

Evening gentlemen,

A very short update today. We’re continuing to work on the patch. It’s largely done but DX9 stability remains an issue so we’ve had a quick discussion a few minutes ago and decided to let it simmer a bit longer.
We did make some progress this week. On the graphics front, we did make a lot of improvements on the always troublesome DX9 support, and we also fixed a lot of smaller bugs and made some improvements to the clouds.
On the aircraft front, we’ve done virtually everything we wanted to do, and we’re now working on improving the AI FM, especially focusing on removing controls flicker and the barnstorming maneuvers. Most of this work is, of course, based on the very helpful reports and suggestions from the community.
We’re hoping that we’ll have a playable stable version of the patch ready very soon.

Have a great weekend!

[senseispcc]

Thank's for the news. let us all hope for a quick resolution of the last problems.:-P

[SiThSpAwN]

Thanks for the update!

[Skoshi Tiger]

You too Black Six! Thanks for the update!

[II/JG53_Volker]

thanks for update BS
~S~

[Stealth_Eagle]

Thanks for the update BlackSix. Sorry to act brash but is there any update to ground control vehiciles just out of curiosity? Thanks for all of your hard work.

[smink1701]

"we’re now working on improving the AI FM, especially focusing on removing controls flicker and the barnstorming maneuvers."

YES, YES, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND HOLY, YES!!! AND IT'S ABOUT FRIKKIN TIME!!!:grin::grin::grin::grin::grin::grin::grin:: grin::grin::grin:

[Winger]

hah again very soon.

[KG26_Alpha]

Cheers :)

[SiThSpAwN]

will the next patch still be considered Alpha? Or will we be moving to the next phase?

[theOden]

Hahahaha

[Majo]

It mean today or any day after.

Reaching for the absoluteness of the truth.

Thanks for the information.

Salutes Majo

[MIRGERVIN]

Can someone give me some idea to when the official patch will be out? PLEASE

[ATAG_Snapper]

Two weeks. Be sure.

[David198502]

very soon

[addman]

Can someone give me some idea to when the official patch will be out? PLEASE

Evening gentlemen,

A very short update today. We’re continuing to work on the patch. It’s largely done but DX9 stability remains an issue so we’ve had a quick discussion a few minutes ago and decided to let it simmer a bit longer.
We did make some progress this week. On the graphics front, we did make a lot of improvements on the always troublesome DX9 support, and we also fixed a lot of smaller bugs and made some improvements to the clouds.
On the aircraft front, we’ve done virtually everything we wanted to do, and we’re now working on improving the AI FM, especially focusing on removing controls flicker and the barnstorming maneuvers. Most of this work is, of course, based on the very helpful reports and suggestions from the community.
We’re hoping that we’ll have a playable stable version of the patch ready very soon.

Have a great weekend!

In other words, sometime between next week and eternity, you're welcome.

P.S Thanks for the update B6.

[6BL Bird-Dog]

Thanks for the News Black Six.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Before the 24th of June we hope! "Storm of War Campaigns: Battle of Britian" is waiting! ;)

[catito14]

I hate the vapor in the morning ...
"very soon" ... that words includes thousands of possibilities .... why this guys are sooooo ambiguous? B6 give us an exact date ... we deserve that.

[HeavyDelta]

I know what two weeks is, but is there a difference between soon and VERY soon?:-P

[csThor]

I hate the vapor in the morning ...
"very soon" ... that words includes thousands of possibilities .... why this guys are sooooo ambiguous? B6 give us an exact date ... we deserve that.

Because the last time the estimates weren't met to the second Maddox Games was torn to pieces by the "Gimme-gimme-wanna-have"-crowd? :roll:

Not that their estimates have ever been particularly exact, mind you, but people here have the unfortunate tendency not to read what is posted but to read what they want to read. And woe betide you if reality then doesn't match imagination! :roll:

[Jatta Raso]

i took A2A Spitfire from FSX for a ride, so i feel a bit grumpy about CLoD this week; anyway..

"made some improvements to the clouds"
what does that mean, are they usable now?

"On the aircraft front, we’ve done virtually everything we wanted to do"
so is the FM as good as you can do it, or as good as CLoD allows it to be? are you satisfied with it?

"Most of this work is, of course, based on the very helpful reports and suggestions from the community."
suggestion from the community: change the crosshairs to suit something more real, the current ones just, to use the word, suck

[ACE-OF-ACES]

And woe betide you if reality then doesn't match imagination! :roll:
+1

[Baron]

Because the last time the estimates weren't met to the second Maddox Games was torn to pieces by the "Gimme-gimme-wanna-have"-crowd? :roll:

Not that their estimates have ever been particularly exact, mind you, but people here have the unfortunate tendency not to read what is posted but to read what they want to read. And woe betide you if reality then doesn't match imagination! :roll:


To be honest though, i think we are way past the point where one answer will create more of a meltdown than the other if you know what i mean.

[Ze-Jamz]

Yawn..

[=AN=Apache]

Sorry, guess I should not announce that a patch will be passed Wednesday or any day after (which could be up to 365 days later). This causes expectativo by users.

Doing that also with the vast majority imagine that the patch will be released on Friday or Saturday

Thank you for the update of information and sorry if isdo rude.

Tks

[Redroach]

On the aircraft front, we’ve done virtually everything we wanted to do, and we’re now working on improving the AI FM, especially focusing on removing controls flicker and the barnstorming maneuvers. Most of this work is, of course, based on the very helpful reports and suggestions from the community.
We’re hoping that we’ll have a playable stable version of the patch ready very soon.


Taking the first, and the last sentence together, that makes me happy if true. So you did consider Blackdog's suggestions thread, too, as I read it?

[catito14]

Sorry, But guess I should not announce that a patch will last or the fourth day after (which could be up to 365 days later). This causes expectativo by users.

Thank you for the update of information and sorry if isdo rude.

Tks

Apache

That is my point ... why the hell they make a declaration about a release of the patch "wednsday or day before that" and then they came with this s#$t about "very soon".

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

From B6:

"On the aircraft front, we’ve done virtually everything we wanted to do,"


I hope by "aircraft" you mean bombers B6 :)

[Fjordmonkey]

Thanks for the update, BlackSix!

I hate the vapor in the morning ...
"very soon" ... that words includes thousands of possibilities .... why this guys are sooooo ambiguous? B6 give us an exact date ... we deserve that.

Because doing so and missing that date will see 1C crucified even more viciously than they currently are. And if you think the boards are bad now, it's nothing compared to what they'd be if they posted a date and couldn't meet it.

[Ze-Jamz]

OMFG... how many times will we go over this...

Not anymore so dont..

Dont worry yourself over it..if people stop doing that this forum would be a lot easier on the eye

[David198502]

Test the DX9 is one of the main tasks in the next beta.

a year ago your main task was DX11:grin:

[Insuber]

Thank you with the update Luthier & BlackSix.

[Strike]

Good news b6!

Very interesting to hear that AI fm is being looked into, that kindof came as a surprise to me :) (not like a "Oh I didn't know that needed fixing", more a "Oh, thats nice they suddenly decided to look at"). Also the dx9 thing, well, I understand the situation there so just get it finished whenever and we'll have a go at it.

Enjoy your weekend guys! ;)

[I/JG11_Pedro]

let yourselves quiet time, anyway, nobody plays cliffs of dover

[LcSummers]

Thank you B6 and team, you too.

Have a nice weekend then focus freshly on the problems so we can get a patch very very soon:-P

[zapatista]

Evening gentlemen,

A very short update today. We’re continuing to work on the patch. It’s largely done but DX9 stability remains an issue so we’ve had a quick discussion a few minutes ago and decided to let it simmer a bit longer.
We did make some progress this week. On the graphics front, we did make a lot of improvements on the always troublesome DX9 support, and we also fixed a lot of smaller bugs and made some improvements to the clouds.
On the aircraft front, we’ve done virtually everything we wanted to do, and we’re now working on improving the AI FM, especially focusing on removing controls flicker and the barnstorming maneuvers. Most of this work is, of course, based on the very helpful reports and suggestions from the community.
We’re hoping that we’ll have a playable stable version of the patch ready very soon.

Have a great weekend!

this must have been written by luthier, the English syntax is much to good for black6 :)

[ems9]

I see the big problem is the Maddox team/1c is not controlling properly the community (costumers) speculation...
They are creating speculations and destroying at the same time, what brings costumers frustration.

If they start from the beginning saying the patch gonna take 3 months (or some other date, more than big enough time span, to have it complete) this means creating just little speculations, people would just get a lot annoyed, but would stay watching the clock waiting for the release to come out and get released (making expectations), and if they release it before the date, people would just jump of happiness.
However the maddox/1c, it's giving a "hopeful date", or a "we think date" but for customers there is no hopeful date, for us customers, the speculation date of the release, is the real date of release and for programmers that date, is the hopeful date of "if everything goes right" what in a such complicated world never happens.
All of this blame and unhappiness is not fault of the programmers or core team, but of the one's that are "controlling us", the one's that should just give us the info that we should have to know at the right time.

I like the way the maddox work, they take a lot of in put of the community, what is really good in such project as this one, but for that they gotta share information, and that information creates speculations, and they must control those speculations! This is the kind of knowledge the project manager/commercial relation team knows, but is not applying.

All this storm could be avoided.

Just one thing B6 could you share some new Screen shots of the BoM?

[Luftwaffepilot]

Invest in the future, not in outdated technologies.

[il_corleone]

Thanks b6 and Thanks Devs! for another Week whit your buggy/Unfinished Game! :D (B6 and Luthier, dont worry, you are good men and your task is inform us, so im not going to tell you anything bad, thanks for all(in the good one))

[il_corleone]

yeah, but, the hope its the hope, and the patch is not here, and we dont know when and how

[SiThSpAwN]

yeah, but, the hope its the hope, and the patch is not here, and we dont know when and how


Not to worry, I am sure you will get it when its done....

[BlackSix]

this must have been written by luthier, the English syntax is much to good for black6 :)

Yes) Ilya give me info after that I write text on Russian and Ilya translate it on English.
I think what I will be able write such text on English at the end of the year.

[SiThSpAwN]

Yes) Ilya give me info after that I write text on Russian and Ilya translate it on English.
I think what I will be able write such text at the end of the year.

So your English is still in Alpha or Beta? :D

[BlackSix]

So your English is still in Alpha or Beta? :D

Pre-Alpha)

[catito14]

Because it's listed in the requirements? When they released the game with DX9 they created a fait accompli that now forces them to support it.

Also they promised a game who worked fine isn't it? :confused:
Well ... it seems that they used an "smoke curtain" using the DX9 matter as excuse because they can´t complete something potable to release in this week .... and seems that a lot of people "bought" this smoke .... :(
The last "alpha" patch was released than over a month ago ... and they come with this now? So much time needed to move from Alpha to Beta? .... vapooooooor again.

[SiThSpAwN]

Pre-Alpha)


:D

[SiThSpAwN]

Also they promised a game who worked fine isn't it? :confused:
Well ... it seems that they used an "smoke curtain" using the DX9 matter as excuse because they can´t complete something potable to release in this week .... and seems that a lot of people "bought" this smoke .... :(

**yawn**

[5./JG27.Farber]

Pre-Alpha)

Better than my Russian... ;)

[Bloblast]

and we’re now working on improving the AI FM, especially focusing on removing controls flicker and the barnstorming maneuvers.

Uh what does this mean?

[SiThSpAwN]

and we’re now working on improving the AI FM, especially focusing on removing controls flicker and the barnstorming maneuvers.

Uh what does this mean?


Making the AI fly more like real people and not half crazed meth addicts :)

[Redroach]

don't listen to the cry-out-louds; they have gotten us into that mess in the first place, with their "the grass is too green" nonsense...

[il_corleone]

ok i had too much, so lets pick up the joystick, start steam, and start il2, no matter how its his state, its beautifull, lets be honest, and all of this its becose its like that and we cant play it at 100% ;) so lets wait, but please devs,god,doesent matter, release the patch soon.. and for the dx9 yes i cheched it, but they can talked the week ago about the inminent dx9 problems right? it doesent matter, just centrate on release the patch

[Volksieg]

Their may be a language barrier, but the face palm is universal :D

:D

[Tigertooo]

Hello all,
At "last" i know the patch is imminent and should be out "soon", "before or after some wedsnday"or "when it's ready" Although it will only implement a huge improvement of FPS and stop stutters etc...nothing is yet said about all the other probs (Radio, weather,COOPS,etc...) Anyway the Devs made my day: a new patch very soon (alpha?, beta?, Omega?)
Thank you
YES, i am sarcastic.
YES, i know it does not help the Devs but they should have known this when they released Clod.
YES, after 15 months, imho i feel i have the right to be sarcastic once more
YES, the Mods can ban me , but there will be no need as i'm off
Toedeloe, tata, God bless you and pleasant dreams.
That is all,carry on
Tigertooo

[Feathered_IV]

Hey don't roll your eyes at me. I don't care for it much either.

[ElAurens]

You know, this will no doubt get me a vacation from the forum, but why don't you lot that can do nothing but whine and moan and never get the point just bugger off.

Seriously.

You are never going to be happy with the sim, no matter how good it may get. Oleg could come back tomorrow, give all of you a gold plated freaking hotas setup of your choice, with a version of the sim that allowed your favorite plane to obliterate all comers, and give 1000+ FPS with graphics set to MEGA UBER BEYOND COMPREHENSION that would run on an Apple II, and you still would not be happy.

So why not go away and never come back?

You will be happier, and so will the rest of us.

:rolleyes:

[AbortedMan]

You know, this will no doubt get me a vacation from the forum, but why don't you lot that can do nothing but whine and moan and never get the point just bugger off.

Seriously.

You are never going to be happy with the sim, no matter how good it may get. Oleg could come back tomorrow, give all of you a gold plated freaking hotas setup of your choice, with a version of the sim that allowed your favorite plane to obliterate all comers, and give 1000+ FPS with graphics set to MEGA UBER BEYOND COMPREHENSION that would run on an Apple II, and you still would not be happy.

So why not go away and never come back?

You will be happier, and so will the rest of us.

:rolleyes:

Gold plated HOTAS?...pfft, garbage. Not realism at all.

Not satisfied. FIX IT!!!!!

[Force10]

You know, this will no doubt get me a vacation from the forum, but why don't you lot that can do nothing but whine and moan and never get the point just bugger off.

Seriously.

You are never going to be happy with the sim, no matter how good it may get. Oleg could come back tomorrow, give all of you a gold plated freaking hotas setup of your choice, with a version of the sim that allowed your favorite plane to obliterate all comers, and give 1000+ FPS with graphics set to MEGA UBER BEYOND COMPREHENSION that would run on an Apple II, and you still would not be happy.

So why not go away and never come back?

You will be happier, and so will the rest of us.

:rolleyes:


If and when they put out something that remotely resembles a patch that actually fixes something, then those that have shelved the game will be happier. Lets not get all "holier than thou" because a lot of folks aren't happy with the borderline fraud that has been ongoing for the last year or more. Why don't you just play the game and ignore posts that get you all worked up?

[ElAurens]

I could say the same to you.

Oh, I just did.

[Force10]

I could say the same to you.

Oh, I just did.


Whoa....can't argue with the kindergarten mentality there. I will take a shot at it though.

I know you are but what am I?

I'm rubber and your glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.


That was fun.....but if you will excuse me, the adults would like to have a discussion now.....

[Ctrl E]

How about luthier making a post for a change. Instead of hiding behind poor old black 6.

[wolfhound338]

2 weeks


I so love your 'Money Pit' movie logic.......




Fades back into the shadows........................................... ..;)

[Feathered_IV]

Can someone give me some idea to when the official patch will be out? PLEASE

What I find works is think of an outrageously long wait, one that you can scarcely believe. Then double it. Then add how long you think it should have taken to begin with. Plus a couple of weeks for luck, then round it up to the following month. The answer is almost always some time after that.

[Frequent_Flyer]

What I find works is think of an outrageously long wait, one that you can scarcely believe. Then double it. Then add how long you think it should have taken to begin with. Plus a couple of weeks for luck, then round it up to the following month. The answer is almost always some time after that.

The humorous thing, in a sick and twisted way is: the news of yet another delay is released in a thing called a " friday update " from a spokesperson with limited command of the English language whose call sign initials are BS.

[MadTommy]

don't listen to the cry-out-louds; they have gotten us into that mess in the first place, with their "the grass is too green" nonsense...

Priceless... so the people complaining about the state of the sim are somehow responsible for the slow development and problems of the sim. :-P

One day the sim will either be excellent or die as a turkey... who knowns. All i do know is we have just received more meaningless words from the developers. Whose words are loosing credibility month by month. Only hard evidence via solid patch updates mean anything now.

[Helrza]

Thanks for the update blacksix :)

My new puter aint ready yet, so im in no rush :D Lookin forward to the patch when its ready :)

Oh, and my current pc runs cliffs pretty darn good, even for a "crud" 32bit machine :) If more ppl played online, id be there all the time :D

[Volksieg]

I dunno what this has to do with the meritocracy (which I personally prefer over mediocricy any time) so please elaborate.

Obviously this really needs a separate thread for philosophical discussion... but YES! Thank you for saying that Stormcrow! Thank you! :D Personally I've never understood the bad press "Elitism" gets.... when was the last time anyone rang around their mates to ask if they could recommend the worst plumber they know? :D

[klem]

Can someone give me some idea to when the official patch will be out? PLEASE

31st December 2013.

If it comes in before that you can celebrate.

If I'm wrong neither you nor I will be here to argue about it.

[Feathered_IV]

I'm thinking we won't see the final release patch for a good while yet. September perhaps. Although that would make it a full year since they announced their intention to rewrite the graphics engine.

[JG1Baron]

My personal opinion is that patch will be pulled up to the Battle of Moscow. If at all.

[Insuber]

Let's see the half-full glass. I am very happy and grateful that the team still exists and works on this simulation despite the economical downturn. I would thank directly the sponsors, since the dreaded "bean-counters" are doing the right thing for once.

Cheers!

[Luftwaffepilot]

How long till the announcement of the "upcoming project"?

[David198502]

very soon

[Luftwaffepilot]

very soon

You mean "Maddox -very soon" or "normal very soon" ?

[David198502]

both:grin:

[Dopster]

hello community...

It's pitty that this awesome game needs so much patching & re-patching.

Great game, great work, but it shouldn't have been released in such a hurry and such a buggy state.

One patch resolves some probs, when it makes other emerge...hopefully it will not be an neverending story !


S! 1C team and community :)

[pencon]

Very soon as in tomorrow ? Or very soon as in 2 months from now ? Could you be a little more specific ? Hopefully the work on the AI is successful. Right now I can follow large groups of enemy fighter from about .10 of a mile or right on their tail and fire for minutes on end and no response from them like I wasn't even there. All of a sudden after I shoot a couple down the rest go into rolling frenzies with 3 rolls per second and fly like a circus act . I would say AI fix should be a HIGH PRIORITY since online barely even works and all there really is , is offline mode .Other than that a very cool looking game , runs pretty smooth .

[Rudo]

Here it is, just around the corner. The Patch we've all waited so long for. We can wait a bit longer, if we have to. I think it will be worth it.
S!

[PotNoodles]

I think someone needs to write to the Guinness World Records and ask if it is a record for a single person to be thanked so many times lol.

[Volksieg]

I would say AI fix should be a HIGH PRIORITY since online barely even works and all there really is , is offline mode .Other than that a very cool looking game , runs pretty smooth .

I wouldn't agree with that... I agree with what you say about fixing the AI but to say the online doesn't work whereas the offline does......... In my experience, and many others out there, it's the other way round. I think I've only had about 10 ctds in the entire time flying with JG26 online (I'm not counting the few more I've had when leaving servers and/or starting the game up... I'm talking the "Ok.. engaging now... DAMN!" moments. lol). Offline, it's a matter of starting up engines, rolling down the runway and... Crash to desktop. :D

[No1 Cheese]

I think someone needs to write to the Guinness World Records and ask if it is a record for a single person to be thanked so many times lol.

:):):)

[furbs]

Never in the field of online gaming, did so many thank so few for so little.

[Fergal69]

release it without DX9, i don't use it since 2008 or before, as many others, DX9ers can wait for a bit more as is their problem not willing to update their hardware.


It's not a matter of not wanting to update, it's a matter of priotites as to what my salary is spent on!

[Damixu]

If I could give a word of advice to developer team in order to meet the frustration and demand of restless customers: Please consider to provide smaller and more frequent patches and upgrades to the game. This would give us a concrete feeling that we are progressing instead of what whe have now, long stagnant periods of uncertainity and speculation and frustration waiting for next patch to come.

BlackSix I would appreciate if you would pass this message to Luthier. I thank you in advance.

[kristorf]

Never in the field of online gaming, did so many thank so few for so little.


:grin: :grin: :grin:

[theOden]

.. Please consider to provide smaller and more frequent patches and upgrades to the game. ..

The lack there of naturally makes one wonder if there really is work being done on a patch rather than MMO's and sequels (not counting removal of existing performance heavy features).

Future will tell I guess, meanwhile this thread is totally hilarious and extremely good entertainment.

[Sturm_Williger]

If I could give a word of advice to developer team in order to meet the frustration and demand of restless customers: Please consider to provide smaller and more frequent patches and upgrades to the game. This would give us a concrete feeling that we are progressing instead of what whe have now, long stagnant periods of uncertainity and speculation and frustration waiting for next patch to come.
...

I'm sure this will be the case in the future as they get to grips with various bugs, but we all know that this patch is primarily concerned with what is practically a rewrite of the graphics engine. That's going to be a big, major patch no matter how you slice it.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Well, waiting for the update eagerly as FINALLY getting my TM Warthog back. Took some odd 1.5 months to get a new one replacing the broken one. So let the patch come :D

[Osprey]

It's not a matter of not wanting to update, it's a matter of priotites as to what my salary is spent on!

Don't spend it at Molineux, that's a total waste :twisted:

[senseispcc]

.
I shall buy BoM, Battle over Moscow if this is the tittle of the next game of the IL2 series. I did buy the entire collection and never been deceived even by CoD with many his bugs but still playable with big and powerful PC’s. I am certain that the team of programmers shall make the game work like they did make work the previous versions. IL2 was not build in one day!:rolleyes:

[FS~Phat]

Guys its time to take this OFF TOPIC discussion to a new thread. This thread is specifically for Friday update and you have all taken liberties with the dx9/Xp discussion and other off topic discussion, to the point where this update thread was unreadable.

Any further DX9 / XP discussion here please!!!! >>> http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=32712

Anything else irrelevant and off topic will be deleted without further notice!

[catito14]

Back on topic .... where is the patch? ...or maybe i need to ask ... WHEN, in the name of God, you will release the patch?

[Blackdog_kt]

No need for pm's. We can see clearly from Luthier's post he didn't state what would or would not make it into the sim as you stated. I didn't see AI, no radio commands, Ainti epliepsy filter, trees you could fly through, etc. etc.

Yes need for PMs. Or all off-topic posts disappear.
This thread is for asking questions on the update information. It's not about playing civil prosecutor and defence attorney for the dev team.

Phat politely asked you guys to create a new thread for this discussion or use the available forum features (like PMs) to discuss it among yourselves. He didn't say you can't discuss it, he just pointed out that it's better to discuss it in its own, dedicated venue. The guy asks something in a very acceptable, non-offending manner and you keep going at it, just blatantly ignoring him.

Maybe i'm being a bit blunt here, but i'll be honest with you all. I'm human like everyone else and some things annoy me. Out of all these things there's nothing that grinds my gears like good old fashioned, in-your-face, lack of conversation manners and a modicum of the least possible respect that should be mutually afforded when dealing with another person.

If you guys can claim human nature to excuse repeated off-topic posts and lack of self-control, i can do the same to excuse my itchy trigger finger that's hovering over the infraction button as we speak. We're all equal here and it's part of my (unpaid and volunteer) job to make sure that everybody understands it and acts accordingly. Incidentally, that is the only reason i'm wasting my time writing this diatribe instead of immediately clicking through the screens leading to a ban: i prefer that people know what is acceptable and what is not in this forum, so they can make their own decisions about getting banned or not.

Discuss whatever you want but please, for the love of God, take it to the appropriate section and thread, so that people can see the headline and decide if they are interested or not. People doing their best to vent in the threads with the most views, it's something that amounts to strapping everyone down into a chair and screaming "you WILL listen to me". It's too clockwork orange, don't you think?

If some people don't want to go through the topics you bring up, they should have that choice just like you have the choice of discussing them: one topic per thread, in the appropriate section. Might be broad or narrow, but it's one, for reasons of readability.

You know i can rearrange the offending posts whichever way and the fastest one is to simply bin them. Please save me some time, display some respect for your fellow forums users and do it yourselves, and they stand a good chance of remaining posted. You have all necessary means at your disposal and no excuse not to, so complaints to the tune of "my freedom of speech" won't fly if you keep this up and offending posts start disappearing. Our freedom of speech stops where the other guy's starts. Having each and every thread dominated by the same people arguing about the same topics is not respecting that boundary and then i have to be all mean and stuff. :grin:

Thanks for your understanding and cooperation.

[MD_Marx]

Yes need for PMs. Or all off-topic posts disappear.
This thread is for asking questions on the update information. It's not about playing civil prosecutor and defence attorney for the dev team.

Phat politely asked you guys to create a new thread for this discussion or use the available forum features (like PMs) to discuss it among yourselves. He didn't say you can't discuss it, he just pointed out that it's better to discuss it in its own, dedicated venue. The guy asks something in a very acceptable, non-offending manner and you keep going at it, just blatantly ignoring him.

Maybe i'm being a bit blunt here, but i'll be honest with you all. I'm human like everyone else and some things annoy me. Out of all these things there's nothing that grinds my gears like good old fashioned, in-your-face, lack of conversation manners and a modicum of the least possible respect that should be mutually afforded when dealing with another person.

If you guys can claim human nature to excuse repeated off-topic posts and lack of self-control, i can do the same to excuse my itchy trigger finger that's hovering over the infraction button as we speak. We're all equal here and it's part of my (unpaid and volunteer) job to make sure that everybody understands it and acts accordingly. Incidentally, that is the only reason i'm wasting my time writing this diatribe instead of immediately clicking through the screens leading to a ban: i prefer that people know what is acceptable and what is not in this forum, so they can make their own decisions about getting banned or not.

Discuss whatever you want but please, for the love of God, take it to the appropriate section and thread, so that people can see the headline and decide if they are interested or not. People doing their best to vent in the threads with the most views, it's something that amounts to strapping everyone down into a chair and screaming "you WILL listen to me". It's too clockwork orange, don't you think?

If some people don't want to go through the topics you bring up, they should have that choice just like you have the choice of discussing them: one topic per thread, in the appropriate section. Might be broad or narrow, but it's one, for reasons of readability.

You know i can rearrange the offending posts whichever way and the fastest one is to simply bin them. Please save me some time, display some respect for your fellow forums users and do it yourselves, and they stand a good chance of remaining posted. You have all necessary means at your disposal and no excuse not to, so complaints to the tune of "my freedom of speech" won't fly if you keep this up and offending posts start disappearing. Our freedom of speech stops where the other guy's starts. Having each and every thread dominated by the same people arguing about the same topics is not respecting that boundary and then i have to be all mean and stuff. :grin:

Thanks for your understanding and cooperation.

Well, if no-one else will, then I'll say it: message understood BlackDog- - and thanks for your candour (love the reference to Clockwork Orange - bang on!)

Marx

[FS~Phat]

Thanks for the support Blackdog!

Guys not only did you go on and ignore me you also ignored Blackdog.

Thats TWO moderators trying to be fair and give you guys some gentle guidance and yet you blatantly ignore us?

Start a new topic for your OFF TOPIC discussions. OR better still, bite your tongue! Most of the "discussion" (I use the term loosely) in here has no relevance to the topic and is just a small minority getting on their high-horse.

It's gotta stop so this update thread can be useful to those that want to ask constructive questions or make a request.

Here's a really simple test you should ask yourself before you post anything in this update thread.

1. Am I asking a question of the devs (or B6) relevant to the update?

2. Am I asking my fellow flying 'buddies' a question relevant to the update?

3. Am I answering a question with an opinion that is 'considered' and relevant to both the question asked and the subjects presented in the update.

4. Am I offering an opinion or discussion of a relevant subject from the update and is it constructive. (yes we do take constructive criticism too as long your not being rude or disrespectful)

If you cant make a comment that fits any of those criteria above then perhaps you should consider whether it warrants being said at all. And if you think it doesnt fit and would still like to discuss it, take it to a new thread in the appropriate forum.

Please consider this thread is not a place to have a lengthy conversation as if it were a private conversation. If something turns into a lengthy debate or useful discussion as sometimes happens, please use your own judgment and request a new thread from a moderator and we will move stuff for you.

It's very hard to get anything useful from this thread for anyone if it is constantly polluted by a series of arguments over several pages that often have very little relevance to the actual update and not at all helpful to anyone.

I will be monitoring and moving or deleting so please dont make it harder than it needs to be! :)

[Bobb4]

It seems by the OP that we are nearing a workable beta for all or have i got it wrong?

[Buzpilot]

Evening gentlemen,

A very short update today. We’re continuing to work on the patch. It’s largely done but DX9 stability remains an issue so we’ve had a quick discussion a few minutes ago and decided to let it simmer a bit longer.
We did make some progress this week. On the graphics front, we did make a lot of improvements on the always troublesome DX9 support, and we also fixed a lot of smaller bugs and made some improvements to the clouds.
On the aircraft front, we’ve done virtually everything we wanted to do, and we’re now working on improving the AI FM, especially focusing on removing controls flicker and the barnstorming maneuvers. Most of this work is, of course, based on the very helpful reports and suggestions from the community.
We’re hoping that we’ll have a playable stable version of the patch ready very soon.

Have a great weekend!

I don't really see why it should be necessary to move this discussion into a different thread, after all much of the update is about Dx9 problems.

[Allons!]

I cant see any relevant dicussable content in the Friday Updates that demand keeping these threads open, so why, Mods, dont you just close them ??? Best, Allons!

[SiThSpAwN]

I cant see any relevant dicussable content in the Friday Updates that demand keeping these threads open, so why, Mods, dont you just close them ??? Best, Allons!

+1

I agree, leave them open for a set amount of days, mod the crap out of them when the posts are not direct questions to the devs, then after set amount of days lock it.

[Osprey]

The point of a forum is so people can discuss things, and like any conversation it evolves. Without active threads a forum is utterly useless.

The quickest way to make a forum lose readers is to over-moderate it. As long as people are reasonably civil then what's the problem?

[SiThSpAwN]

The point of a forum is so people can discuss things, and like any conversation it evolves. Without active threads a forum is utterly useless.

The quickest way to make a forum lose readers is to over-moderate it. As long as people are reasonably civil then what's the problem?


I am not talking about the entire forum, just these update posts which are supposed to be informative, instead they turn into pissing matches... filled with BS, like our current exchange... nothing to do with the game or the update from the original post.

[Allons!]

..... nothing to do with the game or the update from the original post.

Thats it and eventually posting in an old patch thread makes you responsible for kicking off some kind of "psychopathic tide" of ppl seeing a bolded thread with the word "patch" in it. BTW is the ban of foo.bar still active? :rolleyes:

[Kodoss]

BTW is the ban of foo.bar still active? :rolleyes:

Well, he was banned around 27. April, after some [sarcasm: ON] "never-reading-posts-complete"-guys [sacrasm: OFF] get a little bit overboard. So I fear we wouldn't see him until end of the month.:(

[satchenko]

OK... Let me see... where is the link to download the patch... umhhh... ok, no link... see you again in a few months... bye.

[Blackdog_kt]

I don't really see why it should be necessary to move this discussion into a different thread, after all much of the update is about Dx9 problems.

Most of the times it's not only what the subject is, but how it is discussed: in a series of personal arguments between a handful of people on long entrenched sides and going off to totally irrelevant tangents.

This usually involves questions about what happened during development, along with each involved user adding his personal speculation.

I don't have to tell you that what happened in the past is off topic in a thread where the main subject is future developments ;)

The point of a forum is so people can discuss things, and like any conversation it evolves. Without active threads a forum is utterly useless.

The quickest way to make a forum lose readers is to over-moderate it. As long as people are reasonably civil then what's the problem?

The problem usually is that someone might jump in this thread for a quick look, searching for information expected by the headline and see 2-3 guys discussing a totally irrelevant thing. He will scroll up and still no clue. He will go a few pages back, still no luck. His lunch break is almost over now though, so he will just quickly post a one-liner question that is probably already posted and answered, but is buried among the avalanche of private conversations that are discussed in a public announcement thread. In each update thread, maybe a 10% of the posts is actually the informative part. The rest is just general discussion, for which we have a perfectly valid general discussion section where everyone can open their own thread.

To sum it up, this is a place for asking and answering questions, or already finding your question answered if someone else asked/answered it before. Well, good luck with that, when the Q&A constitutes maybe 30 posts scattered within 30 pages. The content that actually servers its purpose in these threads tends to be less than 10 pages or so and that is if we're lucky :-P

It's the equivalent of going to the pub and trying to talk as loud as i can, so that the people sitting on every single table and on the bar are listening to what i'm saying and can't carry on with their own conversation. On purpose. Week after week.

If i did this in a pub, i would be told to keep it down and after a while i might be thrown out, don't you think so? ;)

The rest of the general forum section is free of this constraint. It's ok to start a subject and see where it goes, as long as (like you correctly pointed out) people remain civil.

Update, bug report and suggestion threads are not like this however. They are either a questions and answers affair, or a situation where we post in a specific way to make information easy to access. Think of it less as a discussion and more like an information directory, say like the yellow pages.

If things start evolving into a different discussion, we are encouraged to open new threads and separate the general discussion from the specific information.

I really don't get why people don't make use of the freedom they are given to start new threads. If you have your own thread you can even request help to keep it within a certain topic. Instead, everyone prefers to just derail this tiny minority of three thread types that should be in a specific posting style and as a result, make it harder for everyone to find what they are looking for. I really don't get it. :confused:

[bornflying79]

The reason everyone posts in here is because anyone and everyone who cares like me, is reading, re-reading, and re-reading again the Friday update posts hoping, wishing, praying that this will be a playable game one day. How would I reply to your comment without posting it here? Start a new thread and hope you read it? Illogical, Spock would say.

[SiThSpAwN]

The reason everyone posts in here is because anyone and everyone who cares like me, is reading, re-reading, and re-reading again the Friday update posts hoping, wishing, praying that this will be a playable game one day. How would I reply to your comment without posting it here? Start a new thread and hope you read it? Illogical, Spock would say.

I believe you just made his point ;)

(perhaps so did I)

[Osprey]

Me too lol

tbh most people only look at the first few pages when finding out patch news, because B6 will only respond a couple of times then we get nothing. It's only us desperate fools who keep looking :rolleyes:

[banned]

Me too lol

tbh most people only look at the first few pages when finding out patch news, because B6 will only respond a couple of times then we get nothing. It's only us desperate fools who keep looking :rolleyes:
+1

[Majo]

Left click over the Member´s Nick of your choice.
This can be done in any post that Member has done.
A context menu will open.
Take the option:
"Find all posts by -Member´s Nick of your choice-"
A search page will open showing all the posts made by that forum member starting from the newest.

Salutes.

[HamishUK]

The amount of time it is taking on this patch you could have developed and released a new game....

This really is taking too long. This was in the works since before December and here we are now in June still waiting for a game we can at least feel is complete. I am utterly amazed at what an unfinished state this game was in at release and whilst I fully appreciate the work on the patch this really is an incredibly poor state of affairs.

Ridiculous.

[Herbs107]

Agree HamishUK. Okay its Friday in Aus, I wonder how much BS is going to come from BS about the ummm whats its called again, thats it a patch.

[simast]

Also looking forward to the new BS from BS :)

[FS~looksharp]

F5 f5 f5 f5 f5 :)

[banned]

F5 f5 f5 f5 f5 :)
Why

[Luftwaffepilot]

Why

Cause he is anxious about an update about the update (about the update)

[banned]

Cause he is anxious about an update about the update (about the update)
Lol, I gave up that silly business 6 months ago :)

[NLS61]

Lol, I gave up that silly business 6 months ago :)
Yep, the only patch there be will be a patch to the information about the update.
It will be BULL 0. 315 as it is only Alpha of coarse.

Sorry couldn’t resist.

Prove me wrong guys.

[Lurker_71]

I'm guessing, we'll get the fabled "final patch" when MG releases the sequel. Until then, again I'm guessing, all we'll get will be placebo after placebo, that is of course if there'll be still subjects around willing to take more of nothing, save for a few apparently pathological cases.

[Allons!]

You mean the sequel is the patch like Harry is a horcrux ? :)

[Lurker_71]

You mean the sequel is the patch like Harry is a horcrux ? :)

Just check out the June 22 update (B6 just post it a few moments ago). Why am I not surprised :grin:

[Allons!]

Yep, next friday we will see the white flag of Dover or something like we would to but can´t release the patch because we didnt announce the sequel yet. Great moments of theater we have here.

[Ali Fish]

i think the devs should go back to modding. You might make a damn good mod for DCS if you get your cards in order. professional quality payware mod for dcs with standards dictated by another source. what better design remit could there be for a clearly struggling flightsimming development company seeking a product to full fill a communites appetite.

seriously, you might actually make some money over on that side of flightsimming in a more unique way, and i as a customer could be assured of the quality i desire. i realise this sounds offensive, it initially might have been but seriously its not. its actually a viable source for you guys to do somthing of great quality work with income. and it could prove to be more beneficial for your company name in general. the facts or reality is that not many around here are getting what they desire and it works both ways, un-desirable feedback is naturally un-desirable. surely those in the face of the feedback must want to change that. and thats simply enough said on that. so please dont take it as an insult, make your mark on the flightsimming world in another way. its just another idea. and to appease the situation somewhat i must say i cant think of a better developed mod in the ww2 realms as one from you guys. so whilst i may appear to be insulting your company. dont look a gift horse in the mouth is a saying we have here. and a group like yours has many many options outwith your own monkey sphere (loosly termed).