Does the Hurricane catch fire?

[MB_Avro_UK]

Hi all,

About 90% of my time on CoD involves flying the Hurricane, but I have no recollection of it ever catching fire. The Spitfire however,will burn.

Am I mistaken? Any screenshots?


Best Regards,
MB_Avro

[il_corleone]

Hi all,

About 90% of my time on CoD involves flying the Hurricane, but I have no recollection of it ever catching fire. The Spitfire however,will burn.

Am I mistaken? Any screenshots?


Best Regards,
MB_Avro

I think the Hurri has a tough fuel tank to destroy or Penetrate, i,m not an expert so i only can tell you that, becose for me its the same, my engine of my spitifre cathed fire the 50% times when my engine was damaged, and for hurri i will say 15% or 10%, lets wait to a better respone i think, the mine is a little empty but i hope i can help you

[Continu0]

Yes it does, but it needs much until it catches fire... As far as i know the hurrican could take much more in reality than the spitfire, so it is well represented in the game...

prove at 0.26 and 1.00:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LMftuei6Fw

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

I fly the Hurri online on ATAG a lot and I can tell you it certainly does!!:grin:

[5./JG27.Farber]

Yes it does. I think most damage is control or engine related than fire, at least in my shooting experience. They usually lose control, the engine dies or the pilot is killed.

[JG52Krupi]

From what I recall reading the hurricane irl was very susceptible to fire due to its construction, mainly the wooden structure, the addition of metal wings obviously stopped this a bit.

I would say its very different to what we currently have, definitely a bug the 109 and spit seem much more easy to light up (at least pre beta patch, I havent played for a bit :( ).

[Flanker35M]

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Most kills of Hurricane FiAF got in Brewsters was due fire. Was said only a short burst from below or above to reach rear of engine and it flamed quite nicely as there was oil + fuel there just in front of cockpit. Pilot armor covered the pilot from dead 6 shots but any deflection and it was rendered useless.

[5./JG27.Farber]

From what I recall reading the hurricane irl was very susceptible to fire due to its construction, mainly the wooden structure, the addition of metal wings obviously stopped this a bit.


Surely this also makes it less susceptable to Minengeschoss rounds and other explosive rounds if the round does not hit (or mabye even if it did) some solid part of the aircraft, for example if the round only passed through doped canvass? ;)

[JG52Krupi]

Surely this also makes it less susceptable to Minengeschoss rounds and other explosive rounds if the round does not hit (or mabye even if it did) some solid part of the aircraft, for example if the round only passed through doped canvass? ;)

E1 ftw :P

:cool:

[MB_Avro_UK]

Thanks for your replies:)

But, offline I cannot remember any example of my Hurricane catching fire. It doesn't happen.

Was it Galland who said that the Hurricane burns easily?

And neither in the Hurricane or Spitfire, has the petrol tank in front of the pilot caught fire during a game. This often happened in the Battle of Britain and resulted in horrific deaths and injuries to the pilot.

Here's a few screenshots of my Spitfire on fire. I have none of the Hurricane.

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac58/MB_Avro_UK/shot_20120603_175025.jpg

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac58/MB_Avro_UK/shot_20120603_175056.jpg

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac58/MB_Avro_UK/shot_20120603_175108.jpg

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac58/MB_Avro_UK/shot_20120603_175318.jpg

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac58/MB_Avro_UK/shot_20120603_175420.jpg


Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Hurricane fuel tanks are in the wings arnt they? with a small reseve near the engine?

[notafinger!]

Hurricane wing tanks will burn easily. Shoot the wing roots with a mix of 8mm AP & I and they will catch fire quickly. 20mm hits will often result in tank explosion. In general the Hurricane is much easier to destroy than the Spitfire. Here is a collection of some poor souls from ATAG.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s207/atp9697/2012-03-26_00001.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s207/atp9697/2012-03-25_00002.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s207/atp9697/Hurricane.png

[David198502]

Hurricane wing tanks will burn easily. Shoot the wing roots with a mix of 8mm AP & I and they will catch fire quickly. 20mm hits will often result in tank explosion. In general the Hurricane is much easier to destroy than the Spitfire. Here is a collection of some poor souls from ATAG.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s207/atp9697/2012-03-26_00001.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s207/atp9697/2012-03-25_00002.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s207/atp9697/Hurricane.png

exactly my experience!

hurricanes are really vulnerable!!!!
it is very easy to blow off wings from that crate as well, while i see it very rarely happen to spitfires.
the fuel tanks explode regularly while i have seen that only once happen to a spit in my whole COD career.
and to set a hurricane on fire is really easy as well....just like notafinger said, aim directly next to the fuselage on the root of the wings, and a 1second burst is often enough to set it up into flames.

[Moggy]

Hurricane fuel tanks are in the wings arnt they? with a small reseve near the engine?

That's right, 1 in each wing and the gravity tank in front of the pilot.

I'm reading a book about the Hurricane at the moment, 1 of pilots said that he reckoned most of the cockpit fires were caused by the wing tanks as opposed to the widely held belief that is was the gravity tank which caused cockpit fires.

I'll dig out the quote later.

[Sutts]

That's right, 1 in each wing and the gravity tank in front of the pilot.

I'm reading a book about the Hurricane at the moment, 1 of pilots said that he reckoned most of the cockpit fires were caused by the wing tanks as opposed to the widely held belief that is was the gravity tank which caused cockpit fires.

I'll dig out the quote later.

I remember reading something along those lines too in "Gun Button To Fire".

Some of the pilots used to fly with the cockpit open for better SA but soon stopped when they discovered that an open canopy caused wing tank fire to be drawn into and through the cockpit - through the open structure between the fuselage and the wing. For this reason, opening the canopy to bail out was a risky moment as a sudden surge of flame could rip through the cockpit as a result.

[NZtyphoon]

I remember reading something along those lines too in "Gun Button To Fire".

Some of the pilots used to fly with the cockpit open for better SA but soon stopped when they discovered that an open canopy caused wing tank fire to be drawn into and through the cockpit - through the open structure between the fuselage and the wing. For this reason, opening the canopy to bail out was a risky moment as a sudden surge of flame could rip through the cockpit as a result.

This is also stated in McKinstry's book on the Hurricane (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hurricane-Victor-Britain-Leo-McKinstry/dp/1848543395) - the Mk I's fuel tanks were only isolated from the cockpit by the open wingroot structure; according to Stephan Bungay (http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Most-Dangerous-Enemy-illustrated/dp/1845135350/) the gravity tank immediately in front of the cockpit also proved to be vulnerable and could burn like a blowtorch directly through the instrument panel; Dowding insisted that these tanks be covered with a fireproof coating manufactured by a company called Linatex and a fireproof bulhead was later fitted.

[Friendly_flyer]

I don't really know if the old Hurribird burned any more easily that the Spitty, but a fire would have very ugly consequences due to construction. The forward fuselage tank is already mentioned, and the hind fuselage was wood, canvas and paint, all eminently flammable material.

[MB_Avro_UK]

I as yet have no online experience in CoD.

But offline, when I fly a Hurricane, it never burns.

Perhaps the AI Hurricanes burn easily?

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

[Les]

I know the subject was combat damage, but if you want to see how easily the Hurricane burns, blow up one of those large storage tanks scattered about the main map and fly through the flames. Just one pass can start a small fire that will quickly destroy the whole plane.

[CaptainDoggles]

I've had some Hurricanes light up when I shoot them, but not very often. Typically, if I manage to down a Hurri it's due to engine failure or that I've put enough holes in his wing that he can't hold a turn and spins down to sea.

I might just be a lousy shot.

[JG52Uther]

I know the subject was combat damage, but if you want to see how easily the Hurricane burns, blow up one of those large storage tanks scattered about the main map and fly through the flames. Just one pass can start a small fire that will quickly destroy the whole plane.
Thats interesting, I'll have to try that!

[topgum]

Hi all,
here is a screenie taken from a burning Hurricane!

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IMHO, however, it should take more often fire compared to other a/c, dued to it's resin-soaked wooden structure.

[topgum]

I know the subject was combat damage, but if you want to see how easily the Hurricane burns, blow up one of those large storage tanks scattered about the main map and fly through the flames. Just one pass can start a small fire that will quickly destroy the whole plane.

yes, I can confirm this! A Hurri is a TURN&BURN-Fighter, while a 109 is not ;)

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I set quickly up in the fmb a mission for testing this.
After, I did some dogfighting: 8 kills, but not one of the Hurris went down in flames! Like I said before, it is more rarely, than it happens often.

[MB_Avro_UK]

But try flying the Hurricane yourself. It NEVER catches fire.

Yes, I have had engine damage, pilot wounding and death. And also collision damage. But never when flying the Hurricane, has it burned.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

[5./JG27.Farber]

I set quickly up in the fmb a mission for testing this.
After, I did some dogfighting: 8 kills, but not one of the Hurris went down in flames! Like I said before, it is more rarely, than it happens often.


SP is different to MP... Just an observation you understand. ;)

[topgum]

okay???? And why is that?

(I haven't used the MP yet)

[fruitbat]

because it's pants.

[topgum]

and heartbreaker's bra? fireproofed? lol

[topgum]

But try flying the Hurricane yourself. It NEVER catches fire.

Yes, I have had engine damage, pilot wounding and death. And also collision damage. But never when flying the Hurricane, has it burned.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

In deed, for instances I can't remember that I went down in a burning Hurricane, shot down by an enemy. So I had a look in my screenshot-folder. It is also rare in other fighters, so I can only show two 109 in flames (different situations), one in a spit.
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Except from the infernal ablazing Hurricane external screenshot which I took this afternoon, there's nothing which fits in that criteria. But i couldn't make a screenie from inside because I was dead within seconds. But you have to blow up one of those large storage tanks, though. The smaller ones have just no impact, neither to a Hurri

[He111]

Talking of catching fire, i always thought having your main tank inFRONT of the pilot gave it some protection from damage, where as the 109 had it behind the pilot, right in harms way. You hear stores of 109's just exploding when hit, i wonder if that is the reason ?

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[kendo65]

This is FIRE!

Can't remember when this was posted, but i think those flames have been turned off for a long time. Here's hoping we get this and more back again

edit: date is in the image name :rolleyes: 22nd Feb 2011

[kendo65]

Three more amazing shots from the archives (only one Hurri, and not even on fire ;))

[NZtyphoon]

Talking of catching fire, i always thought having your main tank inFRONT of the pilot gave it some protection from damage, where as the 109 had it behind the pilot, right in harms way. You hear stores of 109's just exploding when hit, i wonder if that is the reason ?

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The big problem with the tank in front of the cockpit on the Hurricane was that it, and the pilot, were almost completely unprotected -a single stray bullet, let alone several aimed ones, piercing the unprotected half-full tank meant that there was a good chance that the fuel would burn right through the instrument panel and flare into the pilot's face and chest "with blowtorch intensity" (Stephan Bungay): as soon as Dowding found out how many Hurricane pilots were being badly burned he demanded a layer of fire-resistant "Linatex", which was wrapped over the tank, and a proper fireproof bulkhead between the tank and the instrument panel - the former was done very quickly, the latter didn't happen until the Mk IIs emerged.

[dflion]

I took this grab as the Hurricane attacked the Heinkel, suddenly it dramatically exploded and then caught fire. The Heinkel was badly damaged and later lost an engine.
DFLion

[*Buzzsaw*]

Salute

Let's remember a number of things when people quote anecdotes from the Russian front from Finnish pilots:

1) The Hurricanes used by the Soviets were unable to use maximum boost because of the poor Soviet fuel, the +12 boost we might see in the West was only possible because of 100 octane fuel, something not available to the Soviets in 1942-43 when the Hurris were in service with the VVS. In addition, many of the Hurris sent to the Soviets were in well used condition, after service in N Africa or Britain.

2) Because of the poor Hurricane performance on Soviet fuel, in an effort to get more speed, the Soviet pilots typically removed much of the armour plating on these aircraft, both behind the pilot and the armour between the fuselage tank and cockpit and above the tank. For that reason, the Soviet Hurricanes were far more prone to catching fire.

It is a fact that the early production models of dual pitch Hurri used in the pre-BoB phases and to a limited degree in the actual battle itself were not equipped with the armouring on the fuel tank, some used in France did not have the back of seat pilot armour either. These were quite a bit more likely to catch fire. Whether or not the game models these versions without the armour is open to question.

As has been mentioned, the issue of the fuselage tank catching fire as well as the problem of lack of pilot armour came to the attention of Dowding and he took steps to make sure these problems were rectified.

HOWEVER:

In reality, ALL plane engines are prone to catching fire given incendiary AP bullets in contact with oil and fuel, doesn't matter what the make or nationality. The typical smoke you see in a game when a plane's engine has been hit IS fire. In reality the only question was how long it was going to take before it became a raging inferno. The game seems to be a little more relaxed in the tendency for small fires to accelerate. It seems damage either causes a major fire or it doesn't. There doesn't seem to be any modelling which would allow small fires to grow.

[SQB]

I'm seeing some great screenshots here.. why are you guys not posting to the screenshots thread!?

[MD_Titus]

weren't the majority of mcindoe's guinea pigs hurricane pilots?

[MB_Avro_UK]

In deed, for instances I can't remember that I went down in a burning Hurricane, shot down by an enemy. So I had a look in my screenshot-folder. It is also rare in other fighters, so I can only show two 109 in flames (different situations), one in a spit.
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Except from the infernal ablazing Hurricane external screenshot which I took this afternoon, there's nothing which fits in that criteria. But i couldn't make a screenie from inside because I was dead within seconds. But you have to blow up one of those large storage tanks, though. The smaller ones have just no impact, neither to a Hurri


Thanks for the screenie of the Hurricane on fire from the pilot's view. In all my hours in the Hurricane (100's), I have never seen a similar view. Maybe I'm just lucky?

Best Regards,
MB_Avro,

[Les]

Just remembered this video I made (over a year ago now) that shows a Hurricane on fire. Not sure what the effects are like now, or what the exact circumstances were that led up to what you see in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ttOpBSOE40

[topgum]

But try flying the Hurricane yourself. It NEVER catches fire.

....But never when flying the Hurricane, has it burned.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

You made me working, man ;-) !
Methodic as I am, first I created Dogfighting-mission, 3 Hurris against 4, later 8 109, equipped with IC-ammunition only, #1 Group AI, modified like shown in this http://www.bobgamehub.blogspot.com/2012/03/ai-settings-in-cliffs-of-dover.html to avoi ammowaste, 2# group 2Vets, 2 Average, after very bad expierence that the enemy 109s hit anything in the first tries. See the fotos 8-11, how dificult in this setup it is that a 109 hits me in a Hurricane, and didn't any F16-snaproll!

For some reasons I can't understand yet, the most hits I got made nice piercings in the hurris, but they setted nothing in to fire. Like it is shown in pic 1! I brought this cracked bird back home (I had even a kill in this fight against 8 E4s, good man, topgum), Jerrys still swirling arround me, going on attacking, so finaly, after having landed, I got a hit, died, the tank took fire immediately (read damage report:"Kraftstofftank 3 Feuer!")
For the reason that I was killed, I couldn't take a screenshot from inside, like it is the same in pics 7 & 11
Furtheron, you see the evolution of the fire how it takes the whole plane. Intesting: Pics 3 & 4 are showing how the left wingtip fell off, this happens after 20 minutes, laterone it happens to right wing as well.
I've got the impression, that the direction of the fire-evolution was more dued to the wind direction, come from 30°-angle (Runway heading to 270°, Wimlington)
than to the damages, which was bigger at the right wing.
The 5th pic shows the final state, after more than one hour.
There was no explosion, neither in the tanks, neither in the ammunition. The leaking of the fuel under the wing, however, hasn't stopped.

One word to the pics 6 A & 6B: They are showing an IC-hit at the rudder. Only Scrennshot from inside of a buring Hurricane. After having done that, the external view shows, that it is allready over :-(

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Pics 6A-11 are showed in the following post

I resume:
#1 A Hurricane flown by "natural-intelligenc",lol, in SP-mode takes fire, also by a hit, not only by flying over blewn up fuelstorages!
#2 This happens very, very rarely, because of the poor aiming skills of AI-opponents, even with maxed out aircombatkills! They don't try to fiddle with the rudde a bit, to try to get a laterl hit in the vulnerabele parties.
#3 Shall it happens, you need a direct hit in a fueltank, See pic 2. (German)IC-ammo seems to be quite useless. See pic 1, the hits in the tank area hadn't been harmfull.
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Salute
... There doesn't seem to be any modelling which would allow small fires to grow.
There is an evolution from a beginning small-fire to an inferno, no explosion caused by it, though.

But aggree 100%. A/C has to be set much easielier in fire, especially the ol'Hurricane!

[topgum]

One word to the pics 6 A & 6B: They are showing an IC-hit at the rudder. Only Scrennshot from inside of a buring Hurricane. After having done that, the external view shows, that it is allready over :-(

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Hope I am not doing an infraction by showing the other pic mentioned here:

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Haven't load up the "poor-109-on-six-shooting-skills" 8-10, though

[MB_Avro_UK]

You made me working, man ;-) !
Methodic as I am, first I created Dogfighting-mission, 3 Hurris against 4, later 8 109, equipped with IC-ammunition only, #1 Group AI, modified like shown in this http://www.bobgamehub.blogspot.com/2012/03/ai-settings-in-cliffs-of-dover.html to avoi ammowaste, 2# group 2Vets, 2 Average, after very bad expierence that the enemy 109s hit anything in the first tries. See the fotos 8-11, how dificult in this setup it is that a 109 hits me in a Hurricane, and didn't any F16-snaproll!

For some reasons I can't understand yet, the most hits I got made nice piercings in the hurris, but they setted nothing in to fire. Like it is shown in pic 1! I brought this cracked bird back home (I had even a kill in this fight against 8 E4s, good man, topgum), Jerrys still swirling arround me, going on attacking, so finaly, after having landed, I got a hit, died, the tank took fire immediately (read damage report:"Kraftstofftank 3 Feuer!")
For the reason that I was killed, I couldn't take a screenshot from inside, like it is the same in pics 7 & 11
Furtheron, you see the evolution of the fire how it takes the whole plane. Intesting: Pics 3 & 4 are showing how the left wingtip fell off, this happens after 20 minutes, laterone it happens to right wing as well.
I've got the impression, that the direction of the fire-evolution was more dued to the wind direction, come from 30°-angle (Runway heading to 270°, Wimlington)
than to the damages, which was bigger at the right wing.
The 5th pic shows the final state, after more than one hour.
There was no explosion, neither in the tanks, neither in the ammunition. The leaking of the fuel under the wing, however, hasn't stopped.

One word to the pics 6 A & 6B: They are showing an IC-hit at the rudder. Only Scrennshot from inside of a buring Hurricane. After having done that, the external view shows, that it is allready over :-(

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Pics 6A-11 are showed in the following post

I resume:
#1 A Hurricane flown by "natural-intelligenc",lol, in SP-mode takes fire, also by a hit, not only by flying over blewn up fuelstorages!
#2 This happens very, very rarely, because of the poor aiming skills of AI-opponents, even with maxed out aircombatkills! They don't try to fiddle with the rudde a bit, to try to get a laterl hit in the vulnerabele parties.
#3 Shall it happens, you need a direct hit in a fueltank, See pic 2. (German)IC-ammo seems to be quite useless. See pic 1, the hits in the tank area hadn't been harmfull.
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There is an evolution from a beginning small-fire to an inferno, no explosion caused by it, though.

But aggree 100%. A/C has to be set much easielier in fire, especially the ol'Hurricane!

Good analysis. Thanks for your efforts.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

[topgum]

Good analysis. Thanks for your efforts.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

With greatest pleasure!
Let's hope that the developpers take notice of it!