Friday, May 25, 2012. Report 3

[BlackSix]

Dear friends,

No mini patch today.

We're working along the following lines:

* Obviously, fixing all reported issues encountered during testing.
* DX9 support
* Completing all other incomplete graphics and performance improvements

We're also working through an unexpectedly large volume of reported issues with the flight model.

The next version of the patch, which will take a bit more work, will contain all of the above. We'll keep you updated.

Thank you again for your tireless efforts in helping us make the game better.

Have a great weekend!

[JG52Krupi]

Thanks B6, out of interest how long will the patch remain in a alpha/beta state?

[ATAG_Doc]

Sweet

[BlackSix]

Thanks B6, out of interest how long will the patch remain in a alpha/beta state?

It depends on our programmers. I don't know how much time they will take to fix all problems.

[pupo162]

FM revision soudns nice, and DM?

the "Completing all other incomplete graphics and performance improvements"

il also include view distance problems?

- house popping at to cloose of a distance? http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/198 http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/273
- huge mismatch betwe lowres tectures and hires at high altitude http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/141

[O_Smiladon]

And the ATI worry

[BlackSix]

FM revision soudns nice, and DM?

the "Completing all other incomplete graphics and performance improvements"

il also include view distance problems?

- house popping at to cloose of a distance? http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/198 http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/273
- huge mismatch betwe lowres tectures and hires at high altitude http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/141

Maybe. I can't say. All info will be in the final Readme.
I got info from Ilya today and I published it. I don't know about details of work the programmers, sorry. I'm working with only sequel now.

[pupo162]

ok B6.

surprises make the waiting more worth it i guess :)

cheers, hope to hear from you soon

[Pato Salvaje]

Thank you for the info!.
Waiting a little bit more.... ;)

[Continu0]

Thank you!

But don´t hesistate to give us some more test-material!!! I think the community is ready to test and you can benefit from that!

[el0375]

Thank you B6 and team

[Viking]

Thank you!

But don´t hesistate to give us some more test-material!!! I think the community is ready to test and you can benefit from that!

No they won't! Some might but the majority will howl towards the moon.
It's a sort of a prepaid Beta we have today and how well did that go down in the "community"?

Viking

Edit: And a big thank you to BlackSix for the update!

[David198502]

thank you BlackSix for keeping us informed....

But could you please ask Luthier, when the FMs will match historical data?
Could you please ask the FM programmer(s), why the hell, suddenly the E1 and E3 stall and aiming behaviour are such different to the E4?
On which data/document, was the FM change of the 109s based anyway??(a bottle of vodka?)
Could you please ask, when or whether the FM programmer(s) will fix the prop pitch bug of the E4, and the prop pitch speed of all E versions?
Can you also ask, why you as a flight sim company, have to rely your FMs information on one 3rd party guy(IvanK), and why you dont have the relevant documents by yourselves now, after more than a decade in business?
And can you ask, how they managed, to make the new FMs even further from the truth, after they have received the docs?
....it cant be fun to fly on the red side now...

[Continu0]

No they won't! Some might but the majority will howl towards the moon.
It's a sort of a prepaid Beta we have today and how well did that go down in the "community"?

Viking

You are right, you got a point there.
But with the damage already done, I think they can only benefit... (or at least it would be worth it...)

[carguy_]

BalckSix,
if you can please post what does Luthier intend to do on the distant LOD issues? IMO current LODs are far better than before, much easier to see against the background.

I`m hoping this change can stay for good because in IL2 history of patching we had the same positive change and it got removed for some reason.

[pupaxx]

Thanks Blacksix,
please would be possible to predict if the release is matter of three weeks or six months?
Thanks again

[Bounder!]

Thanks for the update Blacksix

[6BL Bird-Dog]

Thanks for the news .

[_YoYo_]

I don't know about details of work the programmers, sorry. I'm working with only sequel now.

B6, Im affraid nobody will buy sequel if CoD dont be fixed before.... or please to do Demo of Battle of Moscow before.

War of Thunder is comming (a little different subject but who knows what will be in the future?). If CoD dont be fixed quickly many people leave CoD or BoM tittle and will try War of Thunder....

Thx for the news.

[Feathered_IV]

Thanks. Glad to know you're working on all these many things, whatever they might be, plus DX9 support. Looking forward to enjoying the result at some stage in the future!

[Flanker35M]

S!

Thanks for the info and have a nice weekend.

[holdenbj]

Thanks for continued updates. Keep up the good work :grin:

[Stublerone]

Thanks B6 for update and concerning all complaining posts, which are again take place here:

Read the info and let it be!
1.) fm: they work on fm issues and their aim is to work it out concerning tracked issues and the requests of the comunity. These are discussed and so, you should know, that will try to get more and more accurate fm's. The question, if they will change fm further away from reality is such a dumb question! Sry, but.... Omfg... :(

2.) Some posts refer to graphic details: Again read B6 statement and you see, that they try to bring back the missing features and will add some tracked geatures and solve bugs. What is the thing, that some of you do not understand. I don't know, why u are again asking such questions over and over?!? Omfg.... :(

3.)Lod: Normally a good question, but asked before 100 times. Belongs to graphic issues, because they partly depend on it. So, why again this question. Again Omfg...:(


They should work on the patch. They know the issues and are working on it. So let them finish the work they have to do. We all discussed it, the major issues are tracked in bugtracker and so no need to ask all questions again.

You will not receive an answer and get frustrated, because they do not care or reply on your post, but guys: What do u think? All bugs, features etc. are discussed, tracked and will be worked on, as long as they are of importance in the current state.

And please: Do not ask again about xxxxxx aa support!!! This will be no keyfeature until the game gets fixed!! :)

[LcSummers]

Thanks B6 to keep us informed.
We knew that the team is working hard to get rid of these bugs.
Have all a nice weekend.;)

[lothar29]

thanks B6.

the patch, for when? for the next year?:evil:

[VO101_Tom]

...

Hi. Thanks for the update.

Can we get information about the sequel? I know there are some people who just complain, but many people curious about what comes next (and the progress of the sequel).

[JG4_Bendwick]

Waiting for a Grafik patch , we have to massiv Problems with frame drops
and sutters in low level fly!
And finaly i wait for the JU 88 Autopilot ...we wait since over 1 Jeahr!( and call and call ,and call.

but thx for Update

written by JG_Widukind

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[ATAG_Snapper]

Thank you for the update. Have a great weekend, yourself!

[Manuc]

great news! Thank you and keep up the good work to make CloD better and better.

[Anders_And]

I dont understand!! How can anyone be assigned to work on ANY sequel until the original game is out of its alpha/beta stage?!? Surely they know that noone want to buy any sequel if they cant get the original game to work 14months after its release... Where i come from this is not how business is made so i guess its a mentality clash between Russia and the rest of the world...
And that is just sad since some of the best programmers come from Russia... :(

[Stirwenn]

Thanks for the comm BS.

Something is worring me : till the beginning it appeared that the game ran smoother on Windows Seven. XP is no longer supported (or not so far). Why devs are wasting time DX9 support ? Does it mean that the sequel would run DX9 ? hum... i really don't want a "Tetris" game.

[GraveyardJimmy]

I dont understand!! How can anyone be assigned to work on ANY sequel until the original game is out of its alpha/beta stage?!? Surely they know that noone want to buy any sequel if they cant get the original game to work 14months after its release... Where i come from this is not how business is made so i guess its a mentality clash between Russia and the rest of the world...
And that is just sad since some of the best programmers come from Russia... :(

They've stated before. Work on the sequel is modelling and maps/missions. The engine is shared between both games (like Il2FB). Engine work will benefit both CoD and BoM and is being worked on by programmers. Modellers who make 3d models cant exactly try their hand and poking around in multiplayer code for example.

[pupo162]

Thanks for the comm BS.

Something is worring me : till the beginning it appeared that the game ran smoother on Windows Seven. XP is no longer supported (or not so far). Why devs are wasting time DX9 support ? Does it mean that the sequel would run DX9 ? hum... i really don't want a "Tetris" game.

Hi the reason is simple. CLOD has writen in the BOX DX9 support. so every official patch for this product must support it, otherwise people who dont have DX10 compatible systems, have very strong grounds for suing 1c and ubisoft.

In my opinion the sequel shouldnt have DX9 support, that would stop that problem.

[furbs]

Are there really that many flight sim fans that have DX9 only GPU's?
Anybody trying to play COD on a DX9 only card needs help, i cant even imagine the way it would look after turning down the settings to get acceptable FPS.

[pupo162]

Are there really that many flight sim fans that have DX9 only GPU's?
Anybody trying to play COD on a DX9 only card needs help, i cant even imagine the way it would look after turning down the settings to get acceptable FPS.

i absolutly agree with you furbs. but you cant change rules in the middle of the game. Also the problem is not so much the GPU you use but rahter the OS you use.

[furbs]

Buy a DX10 or 11 GPU but cripple it with XP? come on...

[VO101_Tom]

I dont understand!! How can anyone be assigned to work on ANY sequel until the original game is out of its alpha/beta stage?!?... :(

You have no clue about programming, right? Why should the 3D modellers, or the mission programmers wait until the system core programming or the video engine is ready? He has a completely different work.

[louisv]

Hi the reason is simple. CLOD has writen in the BOX DX9 support. so every official patch for this product must support it, otherwise people who dont have DX10 compatible systems, have very strong grounds for suing 1c and ubisoft.

In my opinion the sequel shouldnt have DX9 support, that would stop that problem.

You must be American, an International lawsuit for ...wait for it...$49.95.:grin:

[GraveyardJimmy]

Buy a DX10 or 11 GPU but cripple it with XP? come on...

You'd be surprised at how many people still cling to xp claiming it is better. Why they want to stick in DX9 era is beyond me but there's plenty who do it seems.

[kestrel79]

I don't know for sure but I think a lot of people in Russia (their target audience) still run XP, which is why they still support it.

Not to mention this game was suppose to come out years ago, so when they started making it XP support would of been a must.

Keep pluggin away team I have many other games and sims to keep me busy, plus it's summer spend some time outside.

[carguy_]

You'd be surprised at how many people still cling to xp claiming it is better. Why they want to stick in DX9 era is beyond me but there's plenty who do it seems.
Yeah, XP is utter crap compared to Win7. Office or games, it is waaaaaaaaaaay more stable, easier, more accessible, as fast and has compatible software. Also using Vista from 2007 till today I had like 7 BSODs, while for XP I can`t even count how many.

[pupo162]

it wouldnt be 49.99$, it would be more than that...

want it or not, and as much sense it woudl made to drop DX9 (trust me, i'd really want this to happen!!!!) it will NOT happen. Its like the grumman thing, tis stupid and childish, but its not going to change....

Except that, in the sequel all they have to do is not print out DX9 support, and that will jsut be a ghost from the past.

[ChocsAway]

I dont understand!! How can anyone be assigned to work on ANY sequel until the original game is out of its alpha/beta stage?!? Surely they know that noone want to buy any sequel if they cant get the original game to work 14months after its release... Where i come from this is not how business is made so i guess its a mentality clash between Russia and the rest of the world...
And that is just sad since some of the best programmers come from Russia... :(

Totally agree.

Except for the die-hard fanbois the only thing keeping CloD afloat is Heinkills' sterling work and the excellent Desastersoft Wick v Dundas add-on.

14 months on and we still have an unstable sim that is devoid of many working basic features whilst the devs devote the majority of their time to the sequel. I mentioned a while back that I felt the devs have little or no interest in making CloD the sim it deserves to be. For that to happen their hearts need to be in the project... and I've felt for a long time that certainly isn't the case.

Ever had that feeling you are being strung along? My personal message to the devs is that I won't touch BOM with a barge pole until CloD is somewhere near being out of the Beta stage it has only recently entered.

[335th_GRAthos]

Dear Blacksix,

Thank you for the brief information.

I can only speak for myself:

* Obviously, fixing all reported issues encountered during testing.
Great, that is the priority

* DX9 support
Pardon my French, who cares üöä§# about DX9, we have spent hundrends of $$$ buying hardware for the past 12 months. You have hardly managed to give us a more or less working DX10 model so, concentrate on delivering a perfect working DX10 first!.

* Completing all other incomplete graphics and performance improvements
YES! please!

We're also working through an unexpectedly large volume of reported issues with the flight model.
As I said above, concentrate on delivering a perfect working DX10 first!. Give us a perfect working platform FIRST!.

Second, since you (=Luthier) decided to start the discussion on flight models, give us transparency: same as IL2compare,
http://grathos.de/temp/CoD/il2compare_bf109_spit.jpg
we need a CODcompare in order to understand what is going on with the flight models before you start messing around with them at your discretion.

The next version of the patch, which will take a bit more work, will contain all of the above. We'll keep you updated.
Summarizing, my point is, fix the first things first and stop adding things to your list, things that will delay the release of the badly needed patch.

Respectfuly with my best wishes for a nice weekend,

~S~

[BlackSix]

Thank you!

But don´t hesistate to give us some more test-material!!! I think the community is ready to test and you can benefit from that!

We don't ready to give you new build. Please wait.

B6, Im affraid nobody will buy sequel if CoD dont be fixed before....

We understand this.

Hi. Thanks for the update.

Can we get information about the sequel? I know there are some people who just complain, but many people curious about what comes next (and the progress of the sequel).

This info will be later, maybe in autumn, maybe at the turn of the year.

I dont understand!! How can anyone be assigned to work on ANY sequel until the original game is out of its alpha/beta stage?!?

I'm mission designer, I finished my work with current patch in January.

Thanks for the comm BS.

Something is worring me : till the beginning it appeared that the game ran smoother on Windows Seven. XP is no longer supported (or not so far). Why devs are wasting time DX9 support ? Does it mean that the sequel would run DX9 ? hum... i really don't want a "Tetris" game.

We must support DX9 for CloD.


As I said above, concentrate on delivering a perfect working DX10 first!. Give us a perfect working platform FIRST!.

Second, since you (=Luthier) decided to start the discussion on flight models, give us transparency: same as IL2compare,

we need a CODcompare in order to understand what is going on with the flight models before you start messing around with them at your discretion.

1) We must support DX9 for CloD.
2) Compare will be in the sequel.

[smink1701]

Here’s what’s frustrating…

Sine the game was released over a year ago there have been some improvements. The game is more stable for many and they replaced the placeholder IL2 lawnmower engine sounds with new ones. The 109 is brilliant…the Spit and Hurricane not so much and sound like a delivery truck with a bad muffler.

Then we wait six months for the Alpha patch and like I predicted, it helped the game run better for some but many found no big improvement and it brought as many problems as solutions. We were told the FMs were being reworked and they are still a mess. We were told about the new graphics engine that would double fps but on my rig I didn’t see a difference…still getting slowdowns in combat, still getting ground scenery popping up, vibrating shadows, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Here are a few more predictions…we will get a beta around the end of the summer and it will have a few more fixes and a number of new problems. Then we will get the official patch around December. It will be a little better than the beta but still lacking many features that were teased two years ago…like pilot bailout animation. Don’t even THINK about the super, top secret game feature that will be the envy of the industry. I think that was the product of some extra potent dope someone was smoking.

The reality is that our baby was born with some severe disabilities and is unloved. There are a few hard working developers that drew the short straw and are doing all they can to make CLOD a go but they lack the time and skills to do it right and get the job done in a timely way. For every problem they fix they create five more. That’s why it’s taking months to do things that should take days or weeks. This game is going to sputter along for years to come. And when they do introduce the sequel, no one will buy it and will be forced to sell the franchise to someone like 777. As far as 1C is concerned, I’m afraid the writing is on the wall. Our best hope is for them to sell or for another company to introduce a WWS CFS. That may sound crazy but it was Einstein who said “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. That’s what we’ve been doing waiting for IC to create a new CFS for the last 10 years.

[Viking]

So why do you stay frustrated like this? Just leave and never look back. There are a million of things and games to fill your day with happy laughter's. Just do it, if not for you so for the benefit of the rest of us.

Viking

[SiThSpAwN]

Thanks for the updates and the answers to some questions here, please try and at least drop us a post each Friday, even if you dont have much new to report, an acknowledgement goes a long way :)

[smink1701]

So why do you stay frustrated like this? Just leave and never look back. There are a million of things and games to fill your day with happy laughter's. Just do it, if not for you so for the benefit of the rest of us.

Viking

Not leaving
Not a hater
Not wanting to see failure, wanting success!
Not a fanboy
Just frustrated and exercising my right to comment here...just like you.

[jamesdietz]

Maybe. I can't say. All info will be in the final Readme.
I got info from Ilya today and I published it. I don't know about details of work the programmers, sorry. I'm working with only sequel now.

Well then how about some screen shots from the sequel then?
(Probably not an original thought...sigh...)

[335th_GRAthos]

1) We must support DX9 for CloD.
2) Compare will be in the sequel.

I know you "must",
it is the delaying the patch because you want to include DX9 support that I do not like.

Thanks for the information regarding CODcompare.
Now, I am looking forward to the sequel :) I hope that it will come soon! (as I said some months ago, even if I am not "entirely happy" with CoD at this state, I will keep on buying your products!).

~S~

[mayestdo]

Thanks, Blacksix. By the way, I uninstalled the sim a couple of weeks ago. I'll just wait to read positive things of a future final release (not alpha, not beta) to reinstall it. And I guess by then I'll have to buy a new rig to fly it, because the last I bought a month before Clodo's release (in March 2011), although it's a wonderful machine, has nothing to do to fly your sim smoothly. And, what the heck, it's twice or three times more powerful than the requirements advertised in Clodo's box :mrgreen:

[jethejr]

This game is going to sputter along for years to come. And when they do introduce the sequel, no one will buy it and will be forced to sell the franchise to someone like 777.

I believe and predict that this will happen. It's just a matter of time Unfortunately.

1c Madox Sorry, but I think the branches of the company of you is games like MEN OF WAR (and I think I have very good)! Simulators require 500%? more knowledge of programming and has a well-More than just 25 people (how many of those are actually programmers? anyone know?)

Finally I say that I love the series IL-2 and CLOD but I think the company has a lot to learn not to mention also that has no marketing strategy, it would have a battle of britain much more complete and can be divided into up 2 or 3 DLCs before they cast BATTLE OF MOSCOW.

I apologize if someone gets upset with my words but it is only an outburst is only my OPINION of what will happen as the mate (smink1701) said.

I love the IL-2 and want a better simulator


S!

[Majo]

Thank you B6 for the information.
Please don´t let the summer in before you take another step forward.
Timing is crucial.

Salutes.

[David Hayward]

That may sound crazy but it was Einstein who said “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. That’s what we’ve been doing waiting for IC to create a new CFS for the last 10 years.

That is an excellent point! Why are you still here?

[csThor]

And when they do introduce the sequel, no one will buy it and will be forced to sell the franchise to someone like 777.

Pfft. Aparently it hasn't gone into some heads yet that Maddox Games is merely a small part of 1C, the mother corporation, and that 1C could buy out 777 Studios out of the secretary's thank-you box - without making a noticable dent into it. If CloD fails the development studio will either be shut down completely or reassigned to other more financially interesting projects by the suits who make the decisions.

[kristorf]

Thanks, but in all honesty is got to a

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz point

[raaaid]

im patiently waiting for directx9 support i cant wait to see if a good 109 driver can out turn a bad spit driver :)

[carguy_]

Now, I am looking forward to the sequel :) I hope that it will come soon! (as I said some months ago, even if I am not "entirely happy" with CoD at this state, I will keep on buying your products!).

+1

Too bad not so many such optimists here. :grin:

[jimson8]

Game should have never been released.

Oleg left and now it's a real mess, I don't blame the programmers who are trying to fix a mess they were unfairly left to deal with.

I still have hope it will eventually be sorted out and when it is, I predict all those who are super pissed now will be back to buy sequals.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

No mini patch today.
No bigie!

When it is done it is done and not a second sooner! ;)

Thanks for the feedback and keep up the good work!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Buy a DX10 or 11 GPU but cripple it with XP? come on...
+1

Flight sims were, are, and most likly will continue to be a rich mans hobby

Well not Bill Gates rich..

But if your out of work and living in your moms basement..

Please don't expect a new game to run on your 386..

Well I guess it is ok to expect it, just don't feel justifed in complaing about it if your don't get 60fps ;)

[carguy_]

Game should have never been released.
Disagree 110%


I still have hope it will eventually be sorted out and when it is, I predict all those who are super pissed now will be back to buy sequals.
Hey, I predict the same :D

[mmaruda]

Got the game yesterday, finally, it was cheap as bear. :) I have good machine so it runs pretty ok. But the overal level of finish is just appalling. So this took 10 years to develop and a year of patching?

The menu sucks big time, assigning controls is worse than in the old IL-2, no way to assign axis to zoom...

The graphics... Sorry, but game looks is poor. AA doesn't work, but that is a minor issue. The biggest one is the colors. How come there are guys making those FXAA injectors that fix this and it takes something like two weeks (no pun intended) to develop them, and the dev team could not make this in several year. I don't know if they have actually been to England, but some random images clearly show, it does not look like My Little Pony, which cannot be said about the colors in game.

The cities look poor as well with clone buildings resembling the old IL-2, giving a very generic feel to the whole feeling of the island. Not to mention the famous Cliffs themselves. The final product looks like most of the development time was spent... not developing at all. :(

I realize that I sound very mean right now, but I am not at all angry or disappointed. I knew what the game was and still bought it. The feeling of flight is nice, I like the cockpits and the planes and there is great potential in this to be the next greatest WWII sim ever.

I hope the devs will look at this from a distance and keep doing a good job of fixing the sim. I believe that despite all the roughness it has a lot of potential and it would be a shame if it went to waste.

[BP_Tailspin]

Game should have never been released.

agree 110%


I still have hope it will eventually be sorted out and when it is, I predict all those who are super pissed now will be back to buy sequals.

I'm looking foreword to the sequel but not so fast ... I'll wait and read the reviews first.

[VO101_Tom]

So this took 10 years to develop ...

Don't mix with Duke Nukem...

[kilosierra]

...On which data/document, was the FM change of the 109s based anyway??(a bottle of vodka?)..

lol,

and with an attitude like this you expect to get an answer?

You should work on your communication skills...

[smink1701]

That is an excellent point! Why are you still here?

I'm here because while I don't think 1C is up to the task I purchased the game and would love to see it succeed. It's a love/hate thing. Maybe I'm crazy.:grin::grin::grin::grin::grin::grin::grin::g rin::grin::grin::grin::grin::grin:

[shotglass]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnSDDXtd5qI&feature=related

Cheers from Germany!

[David Hayward]

I'm here because while I don't think 1C is up to the task I purchased the game and would love to see it succeed. It's a love/hate thing. Maybe I'm crazy.:grin::grin::grin::grin::grin::grin::grin::g rin::grin::grin::grin::grin::grin:

It looks a lot more like just plain hate. They are still working on fixing the game. How about if you dial down the constant complaining until they are done.

[drstrangelove109]

It looks a lot more like just plain hate. They are still working on fixing the game. How about if you dial down the constant complaining until they are done.

Seriously? How much more time? Another 14 months?

[JG52Uther]

Its an update thread, that people were asking for. Its not a thread to take pot shots at each other, or the developers.

[David Hayward]

Seriously? How much more time? Another 14 months?

As long as it takes them to fix it. Seriously.

[ATAG_Colander]

Sometimes I wish UBI and 1C returned the money to every one, disabled the game on steam and started a new sale with the following warning:
"THIS GAME HAS ISSUES, BUY ONLY IF YOU HAVE THE WILL TO HELP AND THE PATIENCE TO WAIT WHILE WE MAKE A GAME WE WILL ALL LOVE"

But I doubt even this would stop the constant whining and complaints on this forum as some people just love to hear (read) themselves talk (write).

Please, Please, Please, stop. You all read the reviews before buying it and if not, you should have had to.

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[Insuber]

I agree with Colander, I have more than enough of this continuous, useless, childish crying and whining and protesting over the issues of this game. We know there are issues. The devs know. The mods know. My grandmother knows. Stop. Singing. The. Same. Old. Song. Just stop, PLEASE!!!!!

[Jatta Raso]

hmmm no fix this week... oh well, at least i'm entertained for the next 7 hours...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkfVdrtLcRs&feature=related

[Martin77]

I agree with Colander, I have more than enough of this continuous, useless, childish crying and whining and protesting over the issues of this game. We know there are issues. The devs know. The mods know. My grandmother knows. Stop. Singing. The. Same. Old. Song. Just stop, PLEASE!!!!!

THIS!!!! +100000

And thanks for the update :)

[von Pilsner]

Thanks for the update B6! :D

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

Thanks for the update B6,appreciate what guys are endeavouring to achieve for us all:)

[SPUDLEY1977]

DX9 + sequel = backwards: Based on the CLOD business model (which is the opposite of the long term successful IL-2 - a now defunct company) they are working backwards focusing on DX9 as well as the sequel - which we will not buy as CLOD has shown to be a failure, without redemption nearly 2 years later with more bugs and incomplete. It was less buggy before they started downgrading, patching, injecting Alpha code as seeming proof that they cannot fix it as promised.


As many have inferred it will only fail as the market is not DX9 based + since CLOD was sold in a pre Alpha stage + nearly two years later the sole programmer who is employed is focused on a Sequel to generate a few new sales $ for a bankrupt project. What else CAN they do with the new 1C Maddox business model? The actions seen by the independent consumer is a veil of misrepresentations in order to avoid current/inevitable bankruptcy. Why would the consumer spend more money and receive no concrete product in the exchange?


We are all very disappointed but our flight clubs will not buy another sequel unless CLOD has been redeemed by The Company in a VERY BIG WAY from the initial release. We have already honoured our end paying the Sales Price but the company has not honoured their end.

Hope for the best but we won't toss More money (sequel of otherwise) into the bottomless pit. A sad lost cause. :(

[PotNoodles]

I'll say it as it is, I just hope we are not waiting another 6 months for the next patch because that would be bonkers. The last announcement stated it was going to take 3 days each to fix the Cloud/Trees/Grass, so have these things been fixed? If they have lets have another beta patch to test them. I cannot see any problems with that since it will help you to identify problems like the last beta patch.

[Blackdog_kt]

Sometimes I wish UBI and 1C returned the money to every one, disabled the game on steam and started a new sale with the following warning:
"THIS GAME HAS ISSUES, BUY ONLY IF YOU HAVE THE WILL TO HELP AND THE PATIENCE TO WAIT WHILE WE MAKE A GAME WE WILL ALL LOVE"

But I doubt even this would stop the constant whining and complaints on this forum as some people just love to hear (read) themselves talk (write).

Please, Please, Please, stop. You all read the reviews before buying it and if not, you should have had to.

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If i ever win the lottery i'll pay for the refunds personally, just to improve the signal to noise ratio here :-P

I'm not too thrilled about waiting myself, but i think it's worthless worrying about things outside my direct control. The way i see it, i just paid some money to keep the development going and get a finished game at some point.

It's all a matter of perception really. Small companies of well known developers in specific gaming genres have taken to starting kickstarter projects to fund their games. People literally rush to support not a game or franchise, but a mere intention to develop one, just because they love the genre and the developers happened to work on a few really good titles in the past.

Tim Schafer (Day of the Tentacle, Full Throttle, Grim Fandango) and Ron Gilbert (Maniac Mansion, Monkey Island) are two people who were working for Lucasarts games, making adventures back in the day. They wanted to get half a million dollars or so to fund a new adventure game project, but they didn't want to go to a big publisher company, get a loan and then effectively be held hostage over what the game will include and what kind of copy protection they would have to use.

So they started a fund raiser on kickstarter (google it up if you are unfamiliar with it), asked the fans to contribute and implemented a reward system. So, someone who donated $15 will get the digital download version of the game WHEN it is complete. Someone who donated $30 gets the boxed edition, $50 gets you a collectors edition, signed autograph or something, $100 gets you all the previous rewards plus maybe a t-shirt and the soundtrack on CD, etc, etc...The rewards i mention are not exact matches for the prices quoted, but it's close. You can even get your name in the credits of the game if you want.

So, they did this and collected, wait for it... more than $2.7 million.

Because their fans know that nobody else will make an old school adventure game today.
Nobody asked when, what or how, nobody assumed the rest of their developer team is worthless because it will take time that their money will be sitting idle with no finished game in their hands, nobody started any conspiracy theories about them taking the money to fund a stereotypical, to the point of racism, unhealthy American activity. "OMG they will take our $2.7 mil and buy supersized McDonalds burgers with ALL of it i tell you!" :-P

All these fans did was put a bit of down payment on a dream.

Then some guys who used to work in Interplay and had the first post-apocalyptic RPG (way before the first Fallout game) did the same. Now some people are doing the same to resurrect Carmageddon.

Meanwhile in flight sim land, another of the "days of glory past" gaming genres, the only reason our sims are not up to spec is that the developers took our money to buy vodka, not that a lot of features were aimed for by the devs (but also asked for by the community) and have to be implemented under tight hardware and financial constraints :rolleyes:

I think the proverbial " 'nuff said " is how i should close this post, but it really needs to be spelled out a bit further to sink in.

The average flight sim fan has his head so far buried inside his heap of performance charts that has lost the ability to dream, has forgotten the time when he was building plastic model airplanes with his father, or dreaming about having a way to get in a pilot's shoes once a day, holding a P38 model on one hand and a Fw190 model on the other and playing mock dogfights in the living room while making funny sounds with his voice to simulate engine and gunfire sounds and thinking to himself..."how i wish i could hook some electronic game to my TV and be able to step into that cockpit in some way".

That is the real pity here and not the state of this or any other sim. It's the lack of magic that is going to kill this genre, if it happens, along with the fact that dreaming is a punishable offense in this community.

Just because it has to be realistic, it doesn't mean we can't dream of better realism or features though ;)

[GOA_Potenz]

there's no update here, same old lies, we are working on blah blah blah... BORING!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

there's no update here, same old lies, we are working on blah blah blah... BORING!
And some people wonder why some game makers choose not to provide updates

[Falstaff]

Thanks, somebody, somewhere.

I'm not sure who i should be thanking, or why I should thank them, but since this thread consists of no news, but lots of thanks, I feel I should join in the general spirit of thankyou-ness. So thanks, to everyone.

(and thankyou Ben)

No, don't mention it.

Thanks....

[mazex]

I'm not too thrilled about waiting myself, but i think it's worthless worrying about things outside my direct control. The way i see it, i just paid some money to keep the development going and get a finished game at some point.


+1

[GOA_Potenz]

And some people wonder why some game makers choose not to provide updates

if in 6+ months is the only info you get, so it becomes a lie...

[Force10]

Tim Schafer (Day of the Tentacle, Full Throttle, Grim Fandango) and Ron Gilbert (Maniac Mansion, Monkey Island) are two people who were working for Lucasarts games, making adventures back in the day. They wanted to get half a million dollars or so to fund a new adventure game project, but they didn't want to go to a big publisher company, get a loan and then effectively be held hostage over what the game will include and what kind of copy protection they would have to use.

So they started a fund raiser on kickstarter (google it up if you are unfamiliar with it), asked the fans to contribute and implemented a reward system. So, someone who donated $15 will get the digital download version of the game WHEN it is complete. Someone who donated $30 gets the boxed edition, $50 gets you a collectors edition, signed autograph or something, $100 gets you all the previous rewards plus maybe a t-shirt and the soundtrack on CD, etc, etc...The rewards i mention are not exact matches for the prices quoted, but it's close. You can even get your name in the credits of the game if you want.


The major difference here Black Six is they were honest and up front about the situation. That's not the case here. This was sold as a functional working game with out a peep from the DEVS about it's shortcomings, and releasing a statement that it's a work in progress and your support would be appreciated. If they had released a statement like that, it would be a different story all together. This was a "pull the wool over the eyes" cash grab, and people are upset about it.

[Skoshi Tiger]

[QUOTE=Falstaff;429291]Thanks, somebody, somewhere.
QUOTE]

You really shouldn't have! I did nothing, really. But I appreciate your gratitude and will attempt to do better in future to really earn your thanks! :)

Now back to the Update, It has only been a week since the hot fix and people are already moaning that they're being left out and Sim is finished and the same old rubbish that has plaugued this sim Oleg mention "Storm of War"

Get a grip on reality peeps!

For the sake of discussion I'll pull a couple of figures out of the ether. Lets say it takes a person five minutes to open a crash dump file and have a quick squizie at it to see what category it belongs to. How many crash dumps have been sumbitted? If everyone who's said the sent one in wasnt lying there would be at least a thousand. Just that would take up ten and a half man/days (working with an eight hour day)! And thats without any sort of indepth analysis of the actual reason for the crash

People swore blue that all they wanted was a short update even if there was nothing to talk about! Well that's what we got yeaterday.

Thanks BlackSix and the development team. Keep up the good work and hope every thing is going good.

[Highwayman-Ed]

I'm just grateful that the devs who are working on improving the product rather than walking away with the cash are working on the product at all.

I've seen so many half baked products released because the publisher wants their return in investment now and not tomorrow, and the devs are dragged on to the next product with no say in the matter.

Thank you for the update, even if there is no news. I thank you for your efforts, even if there isn't another patch yet, and I thank you for supporting us even though I'm sure that here is pressure to move on to the next title.

[priller26]

Wish I could say thanks but my patience is done. Nothing new here, just the same old we are fixing it...and will get back to you in a while. This game is shelved until next year. All these years of development, and this. I don't know what system they were testing this thing on, but I don't think the game was even half finished when released. Truly a massive cluster.......and a waste of my money.
You all that are diehard and keep thinking the genie will come out of the bottle if they rub it long and hard enough..well...good luck with that!

[Force10]

I'm just grateful that the devs who are working on improving the product rather than walking away with the cash are working on the product at all.



I would venture a guess that the profit margin was slim at best for COD. If they walk away now, it would probably translate into a sizeable loss. I don't think they can walk away yet, they need to release BOM to get some money back, so they have to fix COD first to get some level of trust back from the customers so they will purchase BOM.

[priller26]

And some people wonder why some game makers choose not to provide updates


Updates are great, but first and foremost, they should have provided a decently working game. That's my issue, I don't give a darn about the updates, I paid for something that would work MORE OR LESS right out of the gate, and got a worn out mule.
Patches? The thing is flawed so deep they might as well just scrap it and let someone else start over. This is like trying to teach a rock to fly.

[tk471138]

I take this moment to thank the people who still use DX9, who are forcing the devs to spend their valuable and limited time on supporting outdate software...

o yea im so glad they are spending their time on dx9 as opposed to dx11 or maybe making new content for BOB or BOM

note: this is not against the devs who's hands are tied in this matter, this is to give a wake up call to the fools using dx9, who are now making the devs waste their time....im so glad that they are supporting software that, in a few years time will be almost completely phased out....not to mention if you have a computer that can run this game well their is no reason as to why you shouldnt have win7....

well thanks alot i hope you appreciate the devs wasting their time for you...because if i was them i would say tough luck losers.....i hope you are glad that they are wasting their time, which means i have to deal with no small caliber damage decals (small caliber is the majority of guns in the game !!!!!) on planes that much longer....thanks alot....




otherwise good work devs, its nice to know you support your customers even if that means you must waste your time supporting software that will be phased out, when this new il2 series is in its peak...


honestly it sucks that they added dx9 support, now they are going to have to deal with that out dated crap for the duration of the series...o well...i had a dx9 computer, but if this game didnt support it i wouldnt be upset, i would take it as a cue to upgrade, which i did anyways...

[pencon]

hmmm no fix this week... oh well, at least i'm entertained for the next 7 hours...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkfVdrtLcRs&feature=related

So will this be the soundtrack for the new battle of moscow ? LOL At least it's better than any justin beiber "music"

[pencon]

I'm using DX11 on my rig and she's working well . The odd crash though with game booster so I stopped using that .All that aside , what a collosal amount of whining on these threads. This sim will only improve with time . You guys should go play world of warcraft till next year , then give this another go .It's like going on a trip somewhere with kids in the back seat asking are we there yet every 3 seconds ..

[_79_dev]

....typical users... They allways blame someone else.... And put the game back on the shelves... "I want my money back!!!!" they screaming...fix this and that and fix my computer and fix my kids and my life and my wife...whoops, sorry You can't fix women just like that You need lot of years of tests and patience to communicate with her but You will never fix her, You don't want to force any changes on her because she will not talk to You then. But if You don't like her, why are You still here just go away in silence... typical user... That's the way I see Cliffs of Dover at the moment and typical users on this forums.

P.S thanks for update B6

[Feathered_IV]

DX9 is important for the very large flight sim market in eastern Europe.

[ATAG_Doc]

DX9 is important for the very large flight sim market in eastern Europe.

why?

[Feathered_IV]

why?

Lots of customers, but few high end computers.

[carguy_]

The average flight sim fan has his head so far buried inside his heap of performance charts that has lost the ability to dream, has forgotten the time when he was building plastic model airplanes with his father, or dreaming about having a way to get in a pilot's shoes once a day, holding a P38 model on one hand and a Fw190 model on the other and playing mock dogfights in the living room while making funny sounds with his voice to simulate engine and gunfire sounds and thinking to himself..."how i wish i could hook some electronic game to my TV and be able to step into that cockpit in some way".
I can totally relate to this.

[carguy_]

This was a "pull the wool over the eyes" cash grab, and people are upset about it.
Then let them post their crap somewhere else.

[carguy_]

You all that are diehard and keep thinking the genie will come out of the bottle if they rub it long and hard enough..well...good luck with that!
Wrong. If it happens to fail ultimately I`ll move on and forget about it. Like any adult should do over a 50$ video game.

[SQB]

Carguy, I know I'm not a mod but you're probably going to receive an infraction for posting like that, try and post all your comments in one post, using the quote button at the top of the text box.

[Igo kyu]

Carguy, I know I'm not a mod but you're probably going to receive an infraction for posting like that, try and post all your comments in one post, using the quote button at the top of the text box.
That's a good idea, and I've done it, but it's not as easy as it could be. When you are composing a reply, the other posts are visible, but the quote buttons on them disappear, if you want to quote them you have to open another tab or window, quote them in that, then copy that quote across to the original window.

[chris455]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt
"The average flight sim fan has his head so far buried inside his heap of performance charts that has lost the ability to dream, has forgotten the time when he was building plastic model airplanes with his father, or dreaming about having a way to get in a pilot's shoes once a day, holding a P38 model on one hand and a Fw190 model on the other and playing mock dogfights in the living room while making funny sounds with his voice to simulate engine and gunfire sounds and thinking to himself..."how i wish i could hook some electronic game to my TV and be able to step into that cockpit in some way".

I relate too.

When I was a kid, WWII veterans were everywhere.If you wanted to experience anything close to what they had done, you either talked to them, read the history books or watched the movie, "The Flying Tigers" with John Wayne.

I began flight simming with the original Microsft Flight Simulator way back in the 80s. It was mesmerizing. Then came "Aces of the Pacific", "1942 Pacific Air War", "Janes WWII Fighters", "Falcon 3.0", etc. IL2 was the Grail.

If anyone had given me a magically time-teleported copy of COD even 5 years ago, I would have giggled like a kid. I bought a brand new rig to play COD, and it wasn't cheap. It plays fine on my machine and always has. I only wished initially for a more aggressive AI but that has been addressed. There is so much about this game that actually works.I wish the people who are dissappointed will ultimately find a way to enjoy it, but for a few, I think the problem will never be patched away because the problem isn't in the code. It's either hardware, or hard headedness, or both.

I will buy every sequel these folks make becuase I want them to stay in business. As much as I like COD, I don't want to be playing COD 15 years from now (provided I'm still around). I want to have version 4.2 of "IL2-Air War In North Africa" or some other exciting theater. In the meantime, I'm going to be grateful (yes, grateful) that I can fully enjoy Cliffs of Dover.

Devs, rock on- you have the overwhelming majority of the community that has faith you will "make it right"- like you always have.

Peace

[GOZR]

@pupo162 your link requier login or register.. If you want to be seen make the post public.

[KG26_Alpha]

DX9 is important for the very large flight sim market in eastern Europe.

Got any proof of this ?




This thread needs a chart............




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[Wolf_Rider]

Updates are great, but first and foremost, they should have provided a decently working game. That's my issue, I don't give a darn about the updates, I paid for something that would work MORE OR LESS right out of the gate, and got a worn out mule.
Patches? The thing is flawed so deep they might as well just scrap it and let someone else start over. This is like trying to teach a rock to fly.


Actually, it does work "out of the box". it does run.

[addman]

Got any proof of this ?




This thread needs a chart............




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No it doesn't, the average yearly income in Russia, as of May 2008 (yes it has probably inreased a couple of dollars by now) was $7,680. This and the fact that computer components aren't much cheaper than in the EU for example makes building a new beefy rig an enourmous financial undertaking for even a normal income person in yarn old Federation. It seems a lot of people on this board aren't aware that there are poorer people than themselves in the world, especially in former Soviet countries, that strikes me as very ignorant. How can you be surprised that DX9 is still being supported for CloD? Do you think MG are only making sims for the wealthiest few in the west? lol to that!

[Buchon]

Trough DX9 only cards are not supported :

*SUPPORTED VIDEO CARDS AT TIME OF RELEASE:
ATI® 4850/4870/5830/5850/5770/5870/6870/6950/6970
NVidia®: 8800/9800/250/260/275/285/460/465/470/480

:rolleyes:

[Buchon]

We have to look back to understand why is there a DX9 support.

At the time of release Win7 was not wide adapted by the users, Vista ... well ... was Hasta la Vista ;) , so there was a wide base users with XP.

Madoxx attended this users claim and released the game with DX9 support stamped in the box.

The real problem now is that you can´t go back and release a official patch now without DX9 support because the Steam Auto Update will break the game for those who are using the game in XP, meaning are playing in DX9.

[BlackSix]

About Win XP and DX9:

http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=11&qpcustomb=0&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=149&qpnp=11
http://gs.statcounter.com/press/windows-7-overtakes-xp-globally-for-first-time-in-october

Win XP has approximately 40-45% at present. It's very much.
Therefore we must support DX9 now and in the near future.

[Insuber]

About Win XP and DX9:

http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=11&qpcustomb=0&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=149&qpnp=11
http://gs.statcounter.com/press/windows-7-overtakes-xp-globally-for-first-time-in-october

Win XP has approximately 40-45% at present. It's very much.
Therefore we must support DX9 now and in the near future.

Yes BlackSix, but these are global statistics, including also my grandma's PC. I believe that the gamers' PC's, and even more the simmers' niche, have a fair better % of Vista and Win7 OS.

Cheers!

[Buchon]

About Win XP and DX9:

http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=11&qpcustomb=0&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=149&qpnp=11
http://gs.statcounter.com/press/windows-7-overtakes-xp-globally-for-first-time-in-october

Win XP has approximately 40-45% at present. It's very much.
Therefore we must support DX9 now and in the near future.

Be aware that those numbers includes office machines and a wide range not used to play, according to a Steam survey the XP users is about a 14.90% :

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

Windows 7 64 bit have a 53.86% and Windows 7 32 bit a 14.65%.

That sum a 68.51% for Win7 and DX10/11 while DX9 have a 14.90%

[BlackSix]

Yes BlackSix, but these are global statistics, including also my grandma's PC. I believe that the gamers' PC's, and even more the simmers' niche, have a fair better % of Vista and Win7 OS.

Cheers!

Yes, I think approximately 10-15% PC gamers has Win XP at present.
But in Russia, for example, majority OS is cracked pirate version. Win XP has bad security and it stay very popular for PC gamers unfortunately.

[BlackSix]

Be aware that those numbers includes office machines and a wide range not used to play, according to a Steam survey the XP users is about a 14.90% :

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

Windows 7 64 bit have a 53.86% and Windows 7 32 bit a 14.65%.

That sum a 68.51% for Win7 and DX10/11 while DX9 have a 14.90%

Thank you for this info, I didn't remembered about Steam's statistics.
14.90% is anyway too much, we must support this people.

[SlipBall]

Yes, I think approximately 10-15% PC gamers has Win XP at present.
But in Russia, for example, majority OS is cracked pirate version. Win XP has bad security and it stay very popular for PC gamers unfortunately.


Are you guys working today?

[BlackSix]

Are you guys working today?

No, we are not working today.

[Anders_And]

No, we are not working today.

Good! Take a well deserved break Blacksix!

I am as impatience as everyone else here but i trust in your words that you guys are working on the patch.

I got myself a GTX580 for this game a month ago, but 2 days later them alpha patch came out and i had to turn OFF grass and trees OFF otherwise it would stutter too much at low altitude... So believe me, we are all waiting. But there are other games while im waiting! :)

[KG26_Alpha]

No, we are not working today.

Good


Watch the F1 qualifying :0]

[BlackSix]

Good! Take a well deserved break Blacksix!

I learn English for normal work with this forum and I need in practical training)

[fruitbat]

Good


Watch the F1 qualifying :0]

Ohhh, thanks for that, nearly forgot!!!!!!!!!!:cool:

[335th_GRAthos]

I will buy every sequel these folks make becuase I want them to stay in business. As much as I like COD, I don't want to be playing COD 15 years from now (provided I'm still around). I want to have version 4.2 of "IL2-Air War In North Africa" or some other exciting theater. In the meantime, I'm going to be grateful (yes, grateful) that I can fully enjoy Cliffs of Dover.

Devs, rock on- you have the overwhelming majority of the community that has faith you will "make it right"- like you always have.

+1


........
GOZR!
Long time, no seeing! How long has it been? 5-6 years???!!! :D


according to a Steam survey the XP users is about a 14.90% :
Windows 7 64 bit have a 53.86% and Windows 7 32 bit a 14.65%.
That sum a 68.51% for Win7 and DX10/11 while DX9 have a 14.90%
Thanks for these statistics, excellent find!


Win XP has bad security and it stay very popular for PC gamers unfortunately.
Not really, Win7 has much weaker installation-security than WinXP.


~S~

[Anders_And]

I learn English for normal work with this forum and I need in practical training)

Sounds great! ;)

[Insuber]

Good! Take a well deserved break Blacksix!

I am as impatience as everyone else here but i trust in your words that you guys are working on the patch.

I got myself a GTX580 for this game a month ago, but 2 days later them alpha patch came out and i had to turn OFF grass and trees OFF otherwise it would stutter too much at low altitude... So believe me, we are all waiting. But there are other games while im waiting! :)

Funny because I have a GTX580 myself and no need to turn off those.

[ATAG_Septic]

I agree with the optimists, I have so many hours on this game that it owes me nothing if it never progresses. It's a brilliant piece of entertainment software for those with the sometimes necessary passion to persist.

Thanks Blacksix for the update, it's much appreciated.

Cheers,

Septic.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

if in 6+ months is the only info you get, so it becomes a lie...
Well the good news is game makers are use to dealing with child like views of the world

So chances are comments like yours are tossed to the bin without much thought..

My only concern is some of the moderate people here who might actually put some merit into such silly statements..

Because the flight sim market is a small one and the more moderates we loose to the silly side means less future sales which can hurt the flight sim maker, which in turn hurts flight sim users like me.

The simple truth that your sort forgets is that you would be hard pressed to find any game released that is bug free.. And your sort also wants to play both sides of the fence and say such silly things as '1C just put it out to take the money and run'.. Yet.. 1C is STILL here working on it.. How some fall for that sort of sillyness is beyond me, my guess is it goes back to the child like view of the world.

But I digress..

Now, for the moderates out there, to put this into perspective, take a look at RoF.. In that it went through a similar process.. Day one it had bugs that were fixed over time, but it took them well over a year to get it to the game it is today. Just keep that in mind the next time one of these whinny types trys to tell you that 1C took the $ and ran with it.. Even though 1C is still here working on it and put a patch out just a couple of weeks ago.

[GOA_Potenz]

Well the good news is game makers are use to dealing with child like views of the world

So chances are comments like yours are tossed to the bin without much thought..

My only concern is some of the moderate people here who might actually put some merit into such silly statements..

Because the flight sim market is a small one and the more moderates we loose to the silly side means less future sales which can hurt the flight sim maker, which in turn hurts flight sim users like me.

The simple truth that your sort forgets is that you would be hard pressed to find any game released that is bug free.. And your sort also wants to play both sides of the fence and say such silly things as '1C just put it out to take the money and run'.. Yet.. 1C is STILL here working on it.. How some fall for that sort of sillyness is beyond me, my guess is it goes back to the child like view of the world.

But I digress..

Now, for the moderates out there, to put this into perspective, take a look at RoF.. In that it went through a similar process.. Day one it had bugs that were fixed over time, but it took them well over a year to get it to the game it is today. Just keep that in mind the next time one of these whinny types trys to tell you that 1C took the $ and ran with it.. Even though 1C is still here working on it and put a patch out just a couple of weeks ago.

Your problem is that you blindly support this mess (i got a ban for saying that) and that hurts more than nothing the development of a sim, i did several mods for il-2 hardcore java file editing, i know how is to work with code, and when we release something and had bugs we didn't say the same thing for six + months, we accepted and go honestly to the users, and even make it work with tousands of franken installs.

RoF took 6+ months to be working correctly as i bought since day one, it was a mess when it was owned by neoqb with the russian way of comunication same as 1C. since 777 studios came into play things change for good and RoF improved comunications and development, seems in russia have another sense of costumer support.

but in the end people like you are the most that hurt this game always compliments and no complains a development team doesn't need roses all the time and more if paid for something that claim to be a finished product, when even the devs said at the first videos where we could see something wrong that it was due to lack of ram in the PC's running the game.

[Frequent_Flyer]

When purchasing a product, typically if you are not satified you can return it for a refund . When you are satisfied with a product you reward the provider with continued business. There is no competator to COD, you are stuck with what you have. I would say it is a reasonable assumption, the dev are working at fixing COD.The results speak for themselves no matter how they try to spin it. Why folks choose to thank and encourage the lack of progress, is as mystifing as the folks who complain about the lack of progress/results. There is no money in this type of sim necessary to induce healthy competition. Without viable competition, the fevered pitch from both sides of the isle is just beating the same dead horse.

[Rjel]

Without viable competition, the fevered pitch from both sides of the isle is just beating the same dead horse.

That's no joke. Week after week, with every update, the same posts by the same posters. Usually using the exact same arguments. Some here are so ardent in their support they should be on the payroll of 1C. On the other side, those of a negative opinion carry on with equal passion. You can almost imagine them throwing things and stomping their feet in anger.

Ace of Aces mentioned those who are in the middle. I like to think I fit in there someplace. As a moderate, again can we ask, that these update threads be locked? Very few of you are as persuasive as you think you are in presenting your arguments.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Your problem is that you blindly support this mess
Not true at all.. I just have a more realistic understanding (read non child like view) and therefore a more realistic expectation than you.

As I pointed out, you and your 'types' expect perfection out of the box..

Yet you would be hard pressed to find any game software that has no bugs

(i got a ban for saying that)and that hurts more than nothing the development of a sim
Rest assured you did NOT get banned for saying 'that'..

But I am surprised that you have not been banned for calling the devs liars

i did several mods for il-2 hardcore java file editing, i know how is to work with code,
So have I..

I have updated several versions of SJack's zINFOMOD to work with HSFX..

And from those data files I wrote the C# code to make a web-based version of IL-2Compare that you can see here

www.flightsimtesting.com

And not only that..

I actully get paid for writing software at work..

So I know a thing or two about software development, and bugs, and how things can come up that cause delays

and when we release something and had bugs we didn't say the same thing for six + months, we accepted and go honestly to the users, and even make it work with tousands of franken installs.
And there is where you show your software ignorance.. In that it is much easier to 'tweak' and existing Java file than it is to write a game from scratch..

And when I say from scratch I mean taking a chance and looking to the future and writing a game from scratch that makes use of the cutting edge gaming aspects.. Like taking on the DX11 API instead of playing it safe and writing a DX9 game.

RoF took 6+ months to be working correctly as i bought since day one,
I bought it day one also, and it took them longer than that to fix everything.. And even longer to put in some of the features they have now.. A perfect example being the ability to see planes at a distance, something that made the game unplayable for me (my standards) the way planes use to suddenly appear and disappear at a certain distance.

it was a mess when it was owned by neoqb with the russian way of comunication same as 1C. since 777 studios came into play things change for good and RoF improved communications and development, seems in russia have another sense of costumer support.
Well maybe RoF communications with their customers is better because they don't have guys like you posting in their forums and calling them liars each time they post and update..

Just a thought!

but in the end people like you are the most that hurt this game always compliments and no complains a development team doesn't need roses all the time and more if paid for something that claim to be a finished product, when even the devs said at the first videos where we could see something wrong that it was due to lack of ram in the PC's running the game.
Again.. Your showing your ignorance..

I have had plenty of negative things to say about CoD..

What separates me from you is I don't have a hissy fit when something gets delayed such that I feel the need to call them liars..

I guess that is just something you eventually learn living and working in the real adult world..

You mileage may and clearly does vary

[priller26]

Actually, it does work "out of the box". it does run.

Yeah..a Ford Pinto ran right "out of the box" too, but then it would catch fire and blow up if you hit it too hard, so whats your point?

As to Russian gamers, I know many, one very close friend who just got his degree in engineering, and his starting salary was 450 a month, hes 25 and lives with his parents, like most young Russians. After he pays for gas to and from work, helps out with food, this and that, he's lucky if he has two roubles at the end of the month to rub together, so if this is the gamer the devs are trying to accomodate, I can understand why. Not many people there buying 600 dollar gpus. These games sell for very little in Russia, and like everything else, are pirated up the wazoo, if you want a TRUE retail copy of win 7 64 it will be behind glass in a store and twice or more the price here, EVERYONE except fortune 500 western companies run pirated microsoft software, and rarely run anti virus so everything gets buggered up, so don't expect them to be running western gaming rigs anytime soon. Its just not feasible for them.

Ohh, and lest I forget, since you need a good inernet connection to play the game, and most people live in soviet built monster housing units and krushev apt blocks, forget about individuals having access to good high speed internet. All in all, I can't see the reason to focus on the "eastern europe" market, the real money is in the West. I understand they are trying to support the Russian market, but the Russian market can't be compared to the West. Either way, it leaves those in the West waiting.

[ATAG_Doc]

Thank you for this info, I didn't remembered about Steam's statistics.
14.90% is anyway too much, we must support this people.

15% today and in the next 12 months that number will be much smaller and even smaller over the next 24 months.

This sim has much longer legs - a longer life tragectory like the old sim it's been around a very long time.

Remember just 10 years ago mobile phones were not affordable for the vast majority of people but now they are every where. Tablets now outsell laptops and desktops. You handly find anyone without a smart phone or tablet.

In other words the money spent on developing an advanced sim to satisfy 15% is not money well spent.

But its not my business. Just a customer.

[priller26]

I will send you $50 to just go away and then you can pee it away on cigs and beer!

Really...:cool:

I don't smoke "cigs" nor quaff a lot of beer, but the beer I do drink you probably couldn't find nor afford, I guess you assume those that have issues with the game live in a cardbox box, wear wife beater tee shirts, and are on the dole? Btw, you can keep your 50, don't need it ;) . Also, the correct term is "piss" it away, not "pee" it away, check your thesaurus.

Think you have been spending a bit too much time sunning in the "socal" wine country, your elitist attitude is in full bloom.

[drive-by-pilot]

i still have xp, maybe xmas will change that


Yes, I think approximately 10-15% PC gamers has Win XP at present.
But in Russia, for example, majority OS is cracked pirate version. Win XP has bad security and it stay very popular for PC gamers unfortunately.

[Insuber]

Parked in my 110 I've just watched a dogfight above my head among a Spit and a couple of 109s. With closed canopy - very few noises, but with open canopy every sound was rendered very well: far engines roaring, flak bursts, distant machine guns ... awsome!


Bravo to the 1C team, keep going like that!

[Force10]

As I pointed out, you and your 'types' expect FUNCTIONING out of the box..



There...I fixed that for ya

[addman]

There...I fixed that for ya

HEY! I was gonna do that!

[Insuber]

Later we attacked Wellingtons, three Bf-110 against 5 heavies; it was like watching a movie, with the smoke trails of cannon shells twirling around, and smoke and flames bursting from wounded bombers. Again, wonderful show. The game ran fluid without an issue.

This sim is already a jewel, and in future it can be a milestone of the genre. Stop bashing it, please.

[5./JG27.Farber]

This sim is already a jewel, and in future it can be a milestone of the genre. Stop bashing it, please.

+1, Im a massive fan of the game and can see the potential but othertimes I just can't take it anymore and it makes my heart bleed and I blow up!

[GOA_Potenz]

Not true at all.. I just have a more realistic understanding (read non child like view) and therefore a more realistic expectation than you.

As I pointed out, you and your 'types' expect perfection out of the box..

Yet you would be hard pressed to find any game software that has no bugs


Rest assured you did NOT get banned for saying 'that'..

But I am surprised that you have not been banned for calling the devs liars


So have I..

I have updated several versions of SJack's zINFOMOD to work with HSFX..

And from those data files I wrote the C# code to make a web-based version of IL-2Compare that you can see here

www.flightsimtesting.com

And not only that..

I actully get paid for writing software at work..

So I know a thing or two about software development, and bugs, and how things can come up that cause delays


And there is where you show your software ignorance.. In that it is much easier to 'tweak' and existing Java file than it is to write a game from scratch..

And when I say from scratch I mean taking a chance and looking to the future and writing a game from scratch that makes use of the cutting edge gaming aspects.. Like taking on the DX11 API instead of playing it safe and writing a DX9 game.


I bought it day one also, and it took them longer than that to fix everything.. And even longer to put in some of the features they have now.. A perfect example being the ability to see planes at a distance, something that made the game unplayable for me (my standards) the way planes use to suddenly appear and disappear at a certain distance.


Well maybe RoF communications with their customers is better because they don't have guys like you posting in their forums and calling them liars each time they post and update..

Just a thought!


Again.. Your showing your ignorance..

I have had plenty of negative things to say about CoD..

What separates me from you is I don't have a hissy fit when something gets delayed such that I feel the need to call them liars..

I guess that is just something you eventually learn living and working in the real adult world..

You mileage may and clearly does vary

Yes, ya are boring as hell, for all ya state above i will answer with this:
Claiming how cleaver ya are, just show how ignorant ya are...

[GOA_Potenz]

i almost forget i'm a RoF beta tester

[bzc3lk]

Well maybe RoF communications with their customers is better because they don't have guys like you posting in their forums and calling them liars each time they post and update..

Just a thought!



The reason they don't have guys " like you " is because they deliver on what they say and if they drop the ball with a patch, it is rectified fast. They are not groping around in the dark hoping to find a solution to their problems.

Just a thought!

[carguy_]

Ohh, and lest I forget, since you need a good inernet connection to play the game, and most people live in soviet built monster housing units and krushev apt blocks, forget about individuals having access to good high speed internet. All in all, I can't see the reason to focus on the "eastern europe" market, the real money is in the West. I understand they are trying to support the Russian market, but the Russian market can't be compared to the West. Either way, it leaves those in the West waiting.
You need to be aware that Eastern Europe is not just Russia.

[He111]

Thanks or all the effort to fix this great game, BlackSix and team! :grin:

.

[Buchon]

15% today and in the next 12 months that number will be much smaller and even smaller over the next 24 months.


Well ... the Steam survey show a XP descent per month of -0.56%, while Win7 has a increase per month of +0.76%.

This trend can vary but in the supposition that its not in 12 months the DX9 users will be 8.18% and in 24 months 1.46%, while DX10/11 will be 77.63% and then 86.75%.



I think that the team worked hard to support DX9 at the release time and I guess that the development road-map predicted an increase of the development team members which let them cover all areas, but I think that the team is still small to the magnitude of the Storm of War project.

They should offers a solid DX10 support immediately, and starting to project a DX11 support so I think that a small team like this which have a project of this magnitude in his hands should reorganize his priorities to let aside superficial stuff to concentrate the work where Storm of War can become strong.

Obviously ... I'm only speculating because I know nothing about how is the project is managed and the work distributed and anyway they can´t break the game to those who are playing in DX9 so guess that its helpless anyway.

[Kongo-Otto]

Dear friends,

No mini patch today.

We're working along the following lines:

* Obviously, fixing all reported issues encountered during testing.
* DX9 support
* Completing all other incomplete graphics and performance improvements

We're also working through an unexpectedly large volume of reported issues with the flight model.

The next version of the patch, which will take a bit more work, will contain all of the above. We'll keep you updated.

Thank you again for your tireless efforts in helping us make the game better.

Have a great weekend!



Потёмкинская деревня

[MadBlaster]

Потёмкинская деревня

FaceBook IPO!

[banned]

FaceBook IPO!
Potemkin village
1.
a pretentiously showy or imposing façade intended to mask or divert attention from an embarrassing or shabby fact or condition.

[Trumper]

We have 2 choices,you stick with it and hope or it won't work,no point in fretting otherwise.

[Viking]

I think I will agree with Robert Watson-Watt , inventor of radar, who said something in the line of: I am easily satisfied with third best since second best is not yet available and first best never will be.

Viking

[Buster_Dee]

Watts invented the first practical radar-the 1st to be "mass" produced. Experiments in radar went back 50 years more. When CH designers went to industry to help "button it up," they were embarrassed to show that "third best." But it was absolutely effective and do-able at the large scale needed. Hanbury Brown later added "but don't give them the fourth best because it encourages them to throw the whole thing out."

The "Cliffs" developers have already done better than that. I'm a shameless eye-candy junky who never lasted past the opening bell of a dogfight. It's as though every decent virtual pilot could spot me and just got me out of the way to clarify the picture. "There he is. You take him this time..."

So, I just want English weather and my Tiger Moth.

[Wolf_Rider]

Yeah..a Ford Pinto ran right "out of the box" too, but then it would catch fire and blow up if you hit it too hard, so whats your point?



wots your point?



I don't smoke "cigs" nor quaff a lot of beer, but the beer I do drink you probably couldn't find nor afford, I guess you assume those that have issues with the game live in a cardbox box, wear wife beater tee shirts, and are on the dole? Btw, you can keep your 50, don't need it ;) . Also, the correct term is "piss" it away, not "pee" it away, check your thesaurus.




Check the forum rules...







Watts invented the first practical radar-the 1st to be "mass" produced. Experiments in radar went back 50 years more. When CH designers went to industry to help "button it up," they were embarrassed to show that "third best." But it was absolutely effective and do-able at the large scale needed. Hanbury Brown later added "but don't give them the fourth best because it encourages them to throw the whole thing out."





Contributors:


Heinrich Hertz
In 1887 the German physicist Heinrich Hertz (1857–1894) began experimenting with electromagnetic waves in his laboratory. He found that these waves could be transmitted through different types of materials, and were reflected by others, such as conductors and dielectrics. The existence of electromagnetic waves was predicted earlier by the Scottish physicist James Clerk Maxwell (1831–79), but it was Hertz who first succeeded in generating and detecting what were soon called radio waves.

Guglielmo Marconi
The development of the wireless or radio is often attributed to Guglielmo Marconi (1874–1937). Although he was not the first to "invent" this technology, it might be said that he was the greatest early promoter of practical radio systems and their applications. In a paper read before the Institution of Electrical Engineers in London on March 3, 1899, Marconi described radio beacon experiments he had conducted in Salisbury Plain. Concerning this lecture, in a 1922 paper he wrote:

I also described tests carried out in transmitting a beam of reflected waves across country . . . and pointed out the possibility of the utility of such a system if applied to lighthouses and lightships, so as to enable vessels in foggy weather to locate dangerous points around the coasts...
It [now] seems to me that it should be possible to design [an] apparatus by means of which a ship could radiate or project a divergent beam of these rays in any desired direction, which rays, if coming across a metallic object, such as another steamer or ship, would be reflected back to a receiver screened from the local transmitter on the sending ship, and thereby immediately reveal the presence and bearing of the other ship in fog or thick weather.[6]
This paper and a speech presenting the paper to a joint meeting of the Institute of Radio Engineers and the American Institute of Electrical Engineers in New York City on June 20, 1922, is often cited as the seminal event which began widespread interest in the development of radar.[7]

Christian Hülsmeyer
In 1904 Christian Hülsmeyer (1881–1957) gave public demonstrations in Germany and the Netherlands of the use of radio echoes to detect ships so that collisions could be avoided. His device consisted of a simple spark gap used to generate a signal that was aimed using a dipole antenna with a cylindrical parabolic reflector. When a signal reflected from a ship was picked up by a similar antenna attached to the separate coherer receiver, a bell sounded. During bad weather or fog, the device would be periodically "spun" to check for nearby ships. The apparatus detected presence of ships up to 3 km, and Hülsmeyer planned to extend its capability to 10 km. It did not provide range (distance) information, only warning of a nearby object. He patented the device, called the telemobiloscope, but due to lack of interest by the naval authorities the invention was not put into production.[8]

Hülsmeyer also received a patent amendment for estimating the range to the ship. Using a vertical scan of the horizon with the telemobiloscope mounted on a tower, the operator would find the angle at which the return was the most intense and deduce, by simple triangulation, the approximate distance. This is in contrast to the later development of pulsed radar, which determines distance directly.

Nikola Tesla
One of the hundreds of concepts generated by Nikola Tesla (1856–1943) included principles regarding frequency and power levels for primitive radio-location units. In an interview published in Century Illustrated Magazine, June 1900, Tesla gave the following:

For instance, by their [standing electromagnetic waves] use we may produce at will, from a sending station, an electrical effect in any particular region of the globe; [with which] we may determine the relative position or course of a moving object, such as a vessel at sea, the distance traversed by the same, or its speed.[9]

In 1917, at the height of World War I, Tesla proposed that radio location techniques might help find submerged submarines with a fluorescent screen indicator. [10] While radar would eventually be capable of detecting submarines on the surface, the required radio frequencies are quickly attenuated in water, making this technique ineffective for detecting submerged submarines.


WIKI

[Frequent_Flyer]

That's no joke. Week after week, with every update, the same posts by the same posters. Usually using the exact same arguments. Some here are so ardent in their support they should be on the payroll of 1C. On the other side, those of a negative opinion carry on with equal passion. You can almost imagine them throwing things and stomping their feet in anger.

Ace of Aces mentioned those who are in the middle. I like to think I fit in there someplace. As a moderate, again can we ask, that these update threads be locked? Very few of you are as persuasive as you think you are in presenting your arguments.

I agree, its the " usual suspects " from both extremes that make a two paragraph update into 20 pages of thank you , followed by 20 pages of ranting.

Have one locked thread continously updated.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Claiming how cleaver ya are, just show how ignorant ya are...
Really?

Not sure what you mean by claiming to be cleaver?

Are you talking about the part where I pointed out that I too have made IL-2 mods?

If so note I was just replying to your comment, i.e.

i did several mods for il-2 hardcore java file editing, i know how is to work with code, and when we release something and had bugs we didn't say the same thing for six + months, we accepted and go honestly to the users, and even make it work with tousands of franken installs.
Is that statement by you a good example of someone trying to be cleaver?

As in was that what you were referring to?

If so, than note I was just following your lead

[ACE-OF-ACES]

The reason they don't have guys " like you " is because they deliver on what they say and if they drop the ball with a patch, it is rectified fast. They are not groping around in the dark hoping to find a solution to their problems.

Just a thought!
Yes RoF delivered

But the point I made..

And the point you missed!

Is it took RoF a year to deliver!

Hope that helps! S!

[furbs]

Didn't ROF have about 2-3 years of development plus a year after release to get what we would call full functionality?
They now patch and add content almost every month and are still planning more content for at least another year.

COD on the other hand had over 5 years in development, 15 months post release and we are still in alpha state, no more content planned and a patch on average every 4 months.

Its 7 months since the last official patch and counting...

[Frequent_Flyer]

Didn't ROF have about 2-3 years of development plus a year after release to get what we would call full functionality?
They now patch and add content almost every month and are still planning more content for at least another year.

COD on the other hand had over 5 years in development, 15 months post release and we are still in alpha state, no more content planned and a patch on average every 4 months.

Its 7 months since the last official patch and counting...

Do you think 777 (whomever put together ROF) would take over completing COD ? I would pay them $ 200 dollar for the next installment if the skipped the Eastern front !

[Thee_oddball]

Didn't ROF have about 2-3 years of development plus a year after release to get what we would call full functionality?
They now patch and add content almost every month and are still planning more content for at least another year.

COD on the other hand had over 5 years in development, 15 months post release and we are still in alpha state, no more content planned and a patch on average every 4 months.

Its 7 months since the last official patch and counting...

that's enough from you furbs...will have none of your trolling using facts and pointing out the obvious ;)

[JG52Krupi]

Didn't ROF have about 2-3 years of development plus a year after release to get what we would call full functionality?
They now patch and add content almost every month and are still planning more content for at least another year.

COD on the other hand had over 5 years in development, 15 months post release and we are still in alpha state, no more content planned and a patch on average every 4 months.

Its 7 months since the last official patch and counting...

And your point is?

They might release patches but at the end of the day the game is too arcady for my liking and the FM's are screwed up, a pity because it looks great and runs very well.... :(

[furbs]

And your point is?

:(


Professional competence, results, progression...

....anyway Krupi, i cant be bothered anymore, its the same old stuff again and again, Im done here and with the game for now, il check back in a month.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

i cant be bothered anymore, its the same old stuff again and again, Im done here and with the game for now, il check back in a month.
This is one time I truly hope you are a man of your word!

With that said..

PLACE YOUR BETS!!

[SlipBall]

Steady Ace...Furbs really just wants this to be a great sim:grin:

[kristorf]

Regardless of what some think Furbs has a perfectly valid point.
Over a year since 'release' and no end in sight for a decent game that the majority can use without CTD's, stutter, locks, memory leaks etc with any confidence.

I paid my £50 in advance for a complete game, in good faith like many others, and I feel that I have been let down with no 'fix' in sight, just more lame excuses and so whats from Dev's.

And before the flamers start, I have been loyal to 1C for years and still fly IL2 as part of a squad three times a week.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Regardless of what some think Furbs has a perfectly valid point.
Over a year since 'release' and no end in sight for a decent game that the majority can use without CTD's, stutter, locks, memory leaks etc with any confidence.

Agree.

[addman]

Regardless of what some think Furbs has a perfectly valid point.
Over a year since 'release' and no end in sight for a decent game that the majority can use without CTD's, stutter, locks, memory leaks etc with any confidence.

I paid my £50 in advance for a complete game, in good faith like many others, and I feel that I have been let down with no 'fix' in sight, just more lame excisses and so whats from Dev's.

And before the flamers start, I have been loyal to 1C for years and still fly IL2 as part of a squad three times a week.

Wow! Hearing that from Kristorf. I could say the exact same but hey, what's the point? We all know the state of the sim and where it's going/not going so why bother. It's good "old" IL-2 is still around plus there are many other gaming distractions to spend your free time on. Maybe BoM will be a success.

[fruitbat]

Regardless of what some think Furbs has a perfectly valid point.
Over a year since 'release' and no end in sight for a decent game that the majority can use without CTD's, stutter, locks, memory leaks etc with any confidence.

I paid my £50 in advance for a complete game, in good faith like many others, and I feel that I have been let down with no 'fix' in sight, just more lame excuses and so whats from Dev's.

And before the flamers start, I have been loyal to 1C for years and still fly IL2 as part of a squad three times a week.

I agree completely with this, and like Kristorf still fly IL2 as part of a different squad, around 3 times a week.

There's still just to much wrong with Clod for the dangerdogz to even consider swapping to it.

One day maybe, but its not going to be any day soon realistically.

[Feathered_IV]

Do you think 777 (whomever put together ROF) would take over completing COD ?

I wish they would. Luthier is a very nice guy and has the best of intentions. He does not have sufficient foller me for leading a project though. I remember him saying that some of the staff at MG "hate his guts" for some of the scheduling decisions and design choices he made. On the other hand, Albert over at RoF is a rather fierce ex-army noncom who really seems to know how to get it done.

[Skoshi Tiger]

They now patch and add content almost every month and are still planning more content for at least another year.


Furbs! You might want to check the validity of this statement.

I can't remember any recent 'free' patches that were'nt tied in to paid downloadable content. This is due to their marketing decision. And even that isn't almost monthly.

Some people might get excited about dangling streamers off their stringers but I am not one of them. If it was authentic then for my eighty plus dollars I would expect it to come with the sim. It is a pitty that after a several years ROF can't even fix their trees!

ROF is good for a laugh but I haven't even firered her up to check the last pre-paid aircaft I bought. COD is too immersive.

[Feathered_IV]

Hmm, isn't every new aircraft free to all users, to fly with or against as AI or online allies and opponents? It's only the cockpits that they sell.

[Frequent_Flyer]

I wish they would. Luthier is a very nice guy and has the best of intentions. He does not have sufficient foller me for leading a project though. I remember him saying that some of the staff at MG "hate his guts" for some of the scheduling decisions and design choices he made. On the other hand, Albert over at RoF is a rather fierce ex-army noncom who really seems to know how to get it done.

I belive Luthiers may be forced to finish BOM, who knows when, and than open the game up to the community to develop the interesting theaters of operation. Based on the pace ( or lack there of) of COD's development.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Hmm, isn't every new aircraft free to all users, to fly with or against as AI or online allies and opponents? It's only the cockpits that they sell.

How can it be classed as free?

It's distributed to MY PC, at MY cost, wether I want it or not just so they can sell their add-on. In fact I am blackmailed into downloading it. If I don’t download the patch ROF becomes non-functional and I am not allowed to run the software I purchased.

Nothing in this world is free, if someone tells you that, they’re lying!

Sorry for taking this thread off topic, lets get back to the update.

Thanks B6!

[CrazySchmidt]

DX9 + sequel = backwards: Based on the CLOD business model (which is the opposite of the long term successful IL-2 - a now defunct company) they are working backwards focusing on DX9 as well as the sequel - which we will not buy as CLOD has shown to be a failure, without redemption nearly 2 years later with more bugs and incomplete. It was less buggy before they started downgrading, patching, injecting Alpha code as seeming proof that they cannot fix it as promised.


As many have inferred it will only fail as the market is not DX9 based + since CLOD was sold in a pre Alpha stage + nearly two years later the sole programmer who is employed is focused on a Sequel to generate a few new sales $ for a bankrupt project. What else CAN they do with the new 1C Maddox business model? The actions seen by the independent consumer is a veil of misrepresentations in order to avoid current/inevitable bankruptcy. Why would the consumer spend more money and receive no concrete product in the exchange?


We are all very disappointed but our flight clubs will not buy another sequel unless CLOD has been redeemed by The Company in a VERY BIG WAY from the initial release. We have already honoured our end paying the Sales Price but the company has not honoured their end.

Hope for the best but we won't toss More money (sequel of otherwise) into the bottomless pit. A sad lost cause. :(

Jeez, I couldn't possibly have said it any better myself.

Sums up my view exactly.

CS.

[carguy_]

I paid my £50 in advance for a complete game, in good faith like many others, and I feel that I have been let down with no 'fix' in sight, just more lame excuses and so whats from Dev's.

Thank you for giving us the 214523534532th post of the same substance.



And before the flamers start, I have been loyal to 1C for years and still fly IL2 as part of a squad three times a week.
Uhuh, so that makes your rant a constructive comment somehow?

[carguy_]

This is one time I truly hope you are a man of your word!

With that said..

PLACE YOUR BETS!!
2 days tops ; placing 5 infraction points on the table.

[Feathered_IV]

How can it be classed as free?

It's distributed to MY PC, at MY cost, wether I want it or not just so they can sell their add-on. In fact I am blackmailed into downloading it. If I don’t download the patch ROF becomes non-functional and I am not allowed to run the software I purchased.

Nothing in this world is free, if someone tells you that, they’re lying!


I see. I hadn't considered that frequent updates and addons were a form of blackmail.
If I may ask, how do you feel about the hidden cost of getting into your car to drive to a shop when you want to purchase something?

[Force10]

I see. I hadn't considered that frequent updates and addons were a form of blackmail.
If I may ask, how do you feel about the hidden cost of getting into your car to drive to a shop when you want to purchase something?

There isn't a whole lot that is free in ROF to be honest. I have spent too much money on planes thinking they would be working on the career mode as they went. I have 26 planes in my hangar collecting dust because the career gets very stale, very quickly. There just isn't enough going on..I'm talking about in the air. Kinda lifeless. I understand their business model, but I need something to do with all this stuff they're creating. I have stopped purchasing stuff until they work on the career mode for now, and everytime I see an update from them, it's about another plane or weapon mod and the career is left out and has been virtually unchanged in 8 months. I'm guessing they aren't really working on it since they figure it's not really a revenue generator. In my case, they are losing revenue since I'm not spending money now since I'm not really using the stuff I already bought. Something tells me that a company that can charge $8 for a scarf and pistol, can figure out a way to get money from the career mode.

[Feathered_IV]

I can sympathise. Maybe one day clod will get a career or single player equivalent of its own. For now the RoF CareerB is all there is for offliners like us.

[Skoshi Tiger]

I see. I hadn't considered that frequent updates and addons were a form of blackmail.

If there is a patch to be downloaded in ROF you cannot click on play off line. If you do you get a friendly message telling you to down load the patch and you have the choice of downloading the patch or writing off the massive investment made in the sim. It wasn't all ways worthless (freely downloadable), I think I paid about $80AUD plus the planes I've bought. I can't even install a playable copy of the game from the DVD I purchased. To me that's a form of blackmail. If I don't do what they tell me there is significant cost.

Why won't they let me play the game I've bought?

If I may ask, how do you feel about the hidden cost of getting into your car to drive to a shop when you want to purchase something?

Hidden costs? I don't think there are any? I service my own vehicles, pay my licence, the rego, insurance, fuel and other consumables, pay my taxes, part of which go to maintenance and development of the required infrastructure . I even offset my carbon emission through solar power at home.

I pay them all for the privilege of driving my oily old car that should have been scrapped twenty years ago, because I am, in essence, a motor head!

Still, when I go and buy something I do factor in the time and cost of going to get it into the price. Doesn't everyone?

Back to the update. Since the beta and hotfix my performance has been really good. I wonder what the other graphics and performance improvements will be?

[ATAG_Bliss]

I can sympathise. Maybe one day clod will get a career or single player equivalent of its own. For now the RoF CareerB is all there is for offliners like us.

How was that ROF SP play or career mode at it's 1 year release mark?

Oh wait, it didn't have one..

If you're going to compare something, especially software at least try to compare it around the same timeframes. ROF is plagued with problems and it's 3 years after it's release.

[Feathered_IV]

How was that ROF SP play or career mode at it's 1 year release mark?

Oh wait, it didn't have one..

If you're going to compare something, especially software at least try to compare it around the same timeframes. ROF is plagued with problems and it's 3 years after it's release.

Quite right. I was thinking more in the future for Cliffs of Dover and a single player system. I understand what you mean about RoF though. I don't do MP much at all, but I gather there are some big restrictions with net code and objects etc. I hope they can fix that sort of thing on the future, as the object limitations impact on SP too.

[Gankhuu]

I don't pretend to know as much as a lot of self proclaimed genius' on here- but I can speak for myself. I've bought a few flight sims and none have been plagued with such bad juju as CloD. Never have I seen so much ignorance with fanboys and haters alike.

I had high hopes for this sim. And the eye candy is purty. But if other flight sims run better than CloD, even right out the gate than this sim with over a year of extra work... I'm gonna choose the sim that works. And if this is how they run the business, whether I liked previous products or not, they'll have to earn my cash for their next installment. And I will remember how CloD turned out.

But for now, I'll keep flying IL2 modded, FSX, A2A and DCS products. (Games and companies that got their product right or fixed it relatively quickly) and when BOM comes out, the reviews had better be out of the ballpark before I'll sniff at it... And I hate to spend money on products that don't run well and companies that have lost my trust. Not saying they can't turn it around and make a good sim, but the odds are stacked against them now... It's nothing personal, its just business.

But I haven't lost hope. The fact that I still check these forums shows that I still have hope to fly the sim I paid for, but with the bugs and stutters and wasted time feel as though I've been made a fool. Here's to hope! And I want 1C to prove me dead wrong!

Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk 2

[Insuber]

Stupid line of conversation.

Rise of Flight is a superb game for off-liners. The career mode is absolutely marvellous.

It's rubbish when you go online. Everyone gets on teamspeak. Well Duh??? Flyers in WWI didn't have comms.

I'm all for realism, but radio comms in a first world war game?

Pfffft.

That's a valid point.

On the other hand I tried ROF online and it was quite pleasant and smooth, graphically wise.

[bzc3lk]

Yes RoF delivered

But the point I made..

And the point you missed!

Is it took RoF a year to deliver!

Hope that helps! S!

The point you made that Rof was delivered after one year was definitely not missed by myself or many other customers, but the point you either choose to or cannot see is after over one year of CLOD this game is not even in the shadow of ROF post twelve months for reliability or playability.

Hope that helps!

[hiro]

thanks B6 for the update, appreciate them coming.




some level of awesomeness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCCi7INvRoE



when its all ironed out, this game will be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI6xO3IGE2o



that said, comparing the release of this game to the rise of flight is like comparing the development of the p-51 and the f-22, two different birds . . .

also it doesn't change anything. one can argue to wits end how much better ROF and its company to CLOD etc, or that ROF had a same jacked up release and took cabbage of patches to get to its fun state, but it won't change a thing where we are at with CLOD or the Moscow plan.

The truth of the matter is the game could be better, and the devs are working towards that.

That's it. Yeah it had a bad release, but its being worked on.

[bzc3lk]

thanks B6 for the update, appreciate them coming.


that said, comparing the release of this game to the rise of flight is like comparing the development of the p-51 and the f-22, two different birds . . .





I couldn't agree more about the f22 comparison. ;)



http://gizmodo.com/5897951/f+22-failure-investigation-results-we-have-no-clue

[Buchon]

ohh ... RoF vs CLoD

What is next, Superman vs Batman ?

Keep going kids, its been very funny.

[Insuber]

ohh ... RoF vs CLoD

What is next, Superman vs Batman ?

Keep going kids, its been very funny.


Buchon is right.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

The point you made that Rof was delivered after one year was definitely not missed by myself or many other customers,
Well than you would do well as to make mention of it from time to time as I did, in that your post convently left that fact out.

but the point you either choose to or cannot see is after over one year of CLOD this game is not even in the shadow of ROF post twelve months for reliability or playability.
It is silly to think you can make a direct comparsion between the two.. For many reasons.. Just to name a few

RoF is a DX9 API game CoD is DX11 API game
RoF pay for updates gives them a more frequant cash flow, CoD only gets cash with sequals
Those two things make them very different

I presented the RoF example with regards to how long it took them to get it all worked out.. In that all games go through this process.. Some take a few weeks and some like RoF and now CoD can take over a year to sort things out.. Something you and yours convently want to ignore when talking about the state of CoD

Hope that helps!

[Ace Cheese]

I think it's closer to being sad than funny. Don't post pointless garble; I'm pretty sure they're are doing their job.

[GOA_Potenz]

Well than you would do well as to make mention of it from time to time as I did, in that your post convently left that fact out.


It is silly to think you can make a direct comparsion between the two.. For many reasons.. Just to name a few

RoF is a DX9 API game CoD is DX11 API game
RoF pay for updates gives them a more frequant cash flow, CoD only gets cash with sequals
Those two things make them very different

I presented the RoF example with regards to how long it took them to get it all worked out.. In that all games go through this process.. Some take a few weeks and some like RoF and now CoD can take over a year to sort things out.. Something you and yours convently want to ignore when talking about the state of CoD

Hope that helps!


DX11???????????? where??? we don't even have a decent DX10 support and devs are trying to build a DX9 version, that's what ya call DX11 game???

Oh gosh...

[ACE-OF-ACES]

DX11???????????? where??? we don't even have a decent DX10 support and devs are trying to build a DX9 version, that's what ya call DX11 game???

Oh gosh...
Once again your showing either your bias.. or ignorance

Not sure which, and really don't care, but the end result is the same.. You being wrong

Now, re-read what I wrote and note I said the DX11 API

note the API part following the DX11 part

Hope this helps!

[Insuber]

One cannot drive looking in the rear view mirror. Mistakes, trust, bugs, my 50 dollars blah blah blah ... enough has been written, and not a single step forward will be done by the team based on continuous and obsessive repetition of the well known story. Nothing new can be said, after 1 billion posts on the matter.

Let's carry on.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

One cannot drive looking in the rear view mirror. Mistakes, trust, bugs, my 50 dollars blah blah blah ... enough has been written, and not a single step forward will be done by the team based on continuous and obsessive repetition of the well known story. Nothing new can be said, after 1 billion posts on the matter.

Let's carry on.+1

[GOA_Potenz]

there's not even close to be an DX11 game, for that will we have to wait years ar this developing time, is more possible that RoF becomes DX11 before a stable CloD DX11 should be even in alpha

[GOA_Potenz]

One cannot drive looking in the rear view mirror. Mistakes, trust, bugs, my 50 dollars blah blah blah ... enough has been written, and not a single step forward will be done by the team based on continuous and obsessive repetition of the well known story. Nothing new can be said, after 1 billion posts on the matter.

Let's carry on.

it isn't fault of no body on this forum the current game state and that the dev team didn't give a step foward...

[ACE-OF-ACES]

there's not even close to be an DX11 game, for that will we have to wait years ar this developing time, is more possible that RoF becomes DX11 before a stable CloD DX11 should be even in alpha
So what part of CoD being programed using the DX11 API do you not understand?

[GOA_Potenz]

the part that programmed on DX11 or not we will not get it properly working in years. end of canversation! you bore me

[ACE-OF-ACES]

the part that programmed on DX11
Clearly

end of canversation! you bore me
Promise?

[=FI=Scott]

I suspect that I fall within a large category of humble people for whom DX9 blah-blah-blah, DX10 blah-blah-blah, DX11 API (?) blah-blah-blah is pretty much geeky technofluff.

Comparisions invite bias but if you try and be objective and load up Cliffs and fly it for a mission then load RoF and do the same what is the huge difference ? in terms of category of game (beyond the fact that they represent different eras) they are pretty much the same product appealing to the pretty much the same category of gamer.

Where the two part company is the way in which they deliver their respective experiences. If playability (which to me covers stability, performance, looks and experience) over a large cross section of user PC's is the mark (and tbh thats how developers sell in numbers that please accountants) RoF all but kills Cliffs.

In terms of the visual experience RoF could be written in BBC basic for all I care, it has a look about it, both in terms of its terrain, clouds, models, effects etc that every so often still makes me do a double take. I (personally) have never once had that in CoD while looking out of the cockpit.

I have come to the conclusion that the mark has been missed so completely with this game the situation cannot be retreived, am I happy about that ?, God no, Me and about a dozen other friends were supposed to be playing the arse of this game months ago. So far time spent online as a squad- Zero.

On the basis that I don't play the game any more, have no interest in doing so and have got bored of the handbag fights here I'm going to let the door hit me in the ass on the way out.

[chris455]

In terms of the visual experience RoF could be written in BBC basic for all I care, it has a look about it, both in terms of its terrain, clouds, models, effects etc that every so often still makes me do a double take. I (personally) have never once had that in CoD while looking out of the cockpit.

Yes, ROF is stunning visually- so is COD. I have no way of knowing what graphics settings you are using, but COD is every bit as visually striking as ROF- and I am a huge fan of ROF. Different, yes, but only in approach, not in visual excellence. The graphics in COD (provided you have the hardware to take advantage of them) is one area where the devs hit it out of the park, period. The water, shadowing, shading, use of color, visual detail- in these areas, BOTH ROF and COD are truly phenomenal. And- if you really want to see what can be acheived in a DirectX10 environment vs, DX9, fire up FSX in DX9 then switch to DX10 compatibility- the difference will blow your socks off.
It is s difference one doesn't have to be a "geek" to appreciate.

[arthursmedley]

I suspect that I fall within a large category of humble people for whom DX9 blah-blah-blah, DX10 blah-blah-blah, DX11 API (?) blah-blah-blah is pretty much geeky technofluff.

Comparisions invite bias but if you try and be objective and load up Cliffs and fly it for a mission then load RoF and do the same what is the huge difference ? in terms of category of game (beyond the fact that they represent different eras) they are pretty much the same product appealing to the pretty much the same category of gamer.

Where the two part company is the way in which they deliver their respective experiences. If playability (which to me covers stability, performance, looks and experience) over a large cross section of user PC's is the mark (and tbh thats how developers sell in numbers that please accountants) RoF all but kills Cliffs.

In terms of the visual experience RoF could be written in BBC basic for all I care, it has a look about it, both in terms of its terrain, clouds, models, effects etc that every so often still makes me do a double take. I (personally) have never once had that in CoD while looking out of the cockpit.

I have come to the conclusion that the mark has been missed so completely with this game the situation cannot be retreived, am I happy about that ?, God no, Me and about a dozen other friends were supposed to be playing the arse of this game months ago. So far time spent online as a squad- Zero.

On the basis that I don't play the game any more, have no interest in doing so and have got bored of the handbag fights here I'm going to let the door hit me in the ass on the way out.

This sums up the present situation for me and my squad too and I'm quite sure a fair few others also. I don't resent or regret the money I paid out to pre-order this game over a year ago now - I can put that down to experience but I'm regretfully coming round to the view that CoD will go the way of MS CFS3. I really really hope I'm wrong and I still hold out hope that sometime this year Ace of Aces will be able to open a "told you so" thread and recount some of the more luridly doom-laden posts that we've seen on these boards but alas that hope is diminishing.

[addman]

This sums up the present situation for me and my squad too and I'm quite sure a fair few others also. I don't resent or regret the money I paid out to pre-order this game over a year ago now - I can put that down to experience but I'm regretfully coming round to the view that CoD will go the way of MS CFS3. I really really hope I'm wrong and I still hold out hope that sometime this year Ace of Aces will be able to open a "told you so" thread and recount some of the more luridly doom-laden posts that we've seen on these boards but alas that hope is diminishing.

Don't worry, the current alpha patch isn't even beta yet, just imagine how awesome the retail version will be.

[SlipBall]

Off-line can be a lot of fun, no lag or stutters for me...very important to set the AI sliders properly though (I give my wing man max settings:cool:), and to also give them objectives.:grin:

[Falstaff]

Aces-of-Aces said:

So what part of CoD being programed using the DX11 API do you not understand?

Yawn...stifle...yawn...stretch...deja vu...groundhog day...

So, sage-of-sages-with-a-bit-of-sage-and-onion-for-good-measure... which part of not understanding do you not choose to not understand...?

...yup, that adds about as much to this discussion as every post of yours....

[robtek]

Aces-of-Aces said:



Yawn...stifle...yawn...stretch...deja vu...groundhog day...

So, sage-of-sages-with-a-bit-of-sage-and-onion-for-good-measure... which part of not understanding do you not choose to not understand...?

...yup, that adds about as much to this discussion as every post of yours....

Some people do about just everything to place a snide remark and add to the post count, being less understanding adds to the problem.

But hey, it's the cod forum, it's good style here to be a pita until getting banned.

Ok, i understand, i've earned the infraction points, did i?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

So if something is programmed using the DX11 API, but can't run in DX11 mode, what is the point your trying to make?
Simple

1C has already made the move to DX11 APIs!

Which is something a lot of games have yet to do..

And wont be able to make use of the new DX11 API 'feature levels' until they do.

CoD was one of the first games to do this..

The down side of being first is that Microsoft had a lot of issues with the DX11 API at the start..

Which is probably why 1C decided to limit CoD to only make use of the DX10 'feature levels'.

Which is one of the cool things about the DX11 API! You can select the 'feature levels' you wish to support.

All in all a smart move on 1C's part and another case of 1C planing for the future.

It can't run in DX9 or DX10 very well for that matter
For some yes, but not all!

Sadly those who are having issues forget that FACT hint.. hint..

so that might as well have said it was programmed using the DX12 api since it has no bearing on what the engine can do for the end user.
As far as I know the DX12 API is not even in beta yet.. So I think that would be rather silly to do

Same old shell game BS from Ace....would we expect anything less?
One could say the same about you and yours..

Same old whiners whine from the whinny handful gang

Always ignoring the FACT that many people are currently running CoD just fine and having plenty of fun doing so! The good news is there are guys like me here to point it out each time they try!

[Thee_oddball]

Simple

1C has already made the move to DX11 APIs!

Which is something a lot of games have yet to do..

And wont be able to make use of the new DX11 API 'feature levels' until they do.

CoD was one of the first games to do this..

The down side of being first is that Microsoft had a lot of issues with the DX11 API at the start..

Which is probably why 1C decided to limit CoD to only make use of the DX10 'feature levels'.

Which is one of the cool things about the DX11 API! You can select the 'feature levels' you wish to support.

All in all a smart move on 1C's part and another case of 1C planing for the future.


For some yes, but not all!

Sadly those who are having issues forget that FACT hint.. hint..


As far as I know the DX12 API is not even in beta yet.. So I think that would be rather silly to do


One could say the same about you and yours..

Same old whiners whine from the whinny handful gang

Always ignoring the FACT that some people are currently running CoD just fine and having plenty of fun doing so! The good news is there are guys like me here to point it out each time they try!

games current and old that have DX11

Aliens vs. Predator
Anno 2070
Batman: Arkham City .
BattleForge
Battlefield 3
Battlefield: Bad Company 2
Blacklight: Retribution
Civilization V
Crysis 2
Colin McRae: Dirt 2
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Dirt 3
Dirt: Showdown
Dragon Age II
Dungeons and Dragons Online
F1 2010
F1 2011
F.E.A.R. 3
Hamilton's Great Adventure
Homefront
King Arthur II
Lost Planet 2
L.A. Noire[
Medal of Honor (Multiplayer)
Metro 2033
Need for Speed: The Run
Nexuiz
Oil Rush
Red Faction: Armageddon
Saints Row: The Third
Sniper Elite V2
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Call of Pripyat
Star Trek Online
The Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar
Total War: Shogun 2
Total War: Shogun 2 – Fall of the Samurai .
Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X 2
Wargame: European Escalation
World of Warcraft

[Force10]

games current and old that have DX11

Aliens vs. Predator
Anno 2070
Batman: Arkham City .
BattleForge
Battlefield 3
Battlefield: Bad Company 2
Blacklight: Retribution
Civilization V
Crysis 2
Colin McRae: Dirt 2
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Dirt 3
Dirt: Showdown
Dragon Age II
Dungeons and Dragons Online
F1 2010
F1 2011
F.E.A.R. 3
Hamilton's Great Adventure
Homefront
King Arthur II
Lost Planet 2
L.A. Noire[
Medal of Honor (Multiplayer)
Metro 2033
Need for Speed: The Run
Nexuiz
Oil Rush
Red Faction: Armageddon
Saints Row: The Third
Sniper Elite V2
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Call of Pripyat
Star Trek Online
The Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar
Total War: Shogun 2
Total War: Shogun 2 – Fall of the Samurai .
Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X 2
Wargame: European Escalation
World of Warcraft

You can't use games like that as an example, because they actually work. Ace is looking for a similar example of a game that was programmed using the DX11 api, but failed miserably. When you add the fact that COD still doesnt have properly functioning AA, it's head and shoulders above the rest.

[Opitz]

Simple

1C has already made the move to DX11 APIs!

Which is something a lot of games have yet to do..

And wont be able to make use of the new DX11 API 'feature levels' until they do.

CoD was one of the first games to do this..

The down side of being first is that Microsoft had a lot of issues with the DX11 API at the start..

Which is probably why 1C decided to limit CoD to only make use of the DX10 'feature levels'.

Which is one of the cool things about the DX11 API! You can select the 'feature levels' you wish to support.

All in all a smart move on 1C's part and another case of 1C planing for the future.


For some yes, but not all!

Sadly those who are having issues forget that FACT hint.. hint..


As far as I know the DX12 API is not even in beta yet.. So I think that would be rather silly to do


One could say the same about you and yours..

Same old whiners whine from the whinny handful gang

Always ignoring the FACT that many people are currently running CoD just fine and having plenty of fun doing so! The good news is there are guys like me here to point it out each time they try!

Actually I love your posts... it is soooo funny...

[Insuber]

blah blah blah.

Honestly I can't see the purpose of your post. Bash the devs? Flame other users who don't share your opinion? Complain about the status of the game? Vent your frustration? All of that?

So, what are you adding to the debate, what new piece of information are you bringing that we didn't hear yet at least 10 billion times?

And also, f you don't like the game, can't bear some forum members and despise the work of the devs ... well why are you still hanging here?

[Opitz]

Honestly I can't see the purpose of your post. Bash the devs? Flame other users who don't share your opinion? Complain about the status of the game? Vent your frustration? All of that?

So, what are you adding to the debate, what new piece of information are you bringing that we didn't hear yet at least 10 billion times?

And also, f you don't like the game, can't bear some forum members and despise the work of the devs ... well why are you still hanging here?

To share how amazed he is?

[ZaltysZ]

All in all a smart move on 1C's part and another case of 1C planing for the future.

I am sure programmers have lots of fun with that move and "Windows XP" stated as minimum required OS on the game box. :-)

[Insuber]

To share how amazed he is?

Adult persons must have a practical goal when communicating with others than their family/friends. Especially on a forum. Emotions are best left to children. B6 message had a clear purpose: inform us. Answers like the one of our friend are purposeless: uninformative, emotional, trouble-stirring. He is unhappy with the current state of affairs of CoD ... well, so what? Who cares apart himself? He would better write his rants on the wall of his bedroom, as the practical outcome will be the same.

Have a nice day.

[JG52Krupi]

Adult persons must have a practical goal when communicating with others than their family/friends. Especially on a forum. Emotions are best left to children. B6 message had a clear purpose: inform us. Answers like the one of our friend are purposeless: uninformative, emotional, trouble-stirring. He is unhappy with the current state of affairs of CoD ... well, so what? Who cares apart himself? He would better write his rants on the wall of his bedroom, as the practical outcome will be the same.

Have a nice day.

+1

[JG52Uther]

This is an update thread. There is very little tolerance for rants,whines, or general troublemaking and cheap shots at each other.

[Ali Fish]

yep, well said about the above. ! my sentiments exactly. thankfully there is competition though, and for that i need come here no more.but a little pop in is eesential, after all i did buy this nonsense.... but just wanted to say yes you are correct.

its like not like anyone else will confirm it around here for fear of misaligning their point of view against another or for fear of going against the grain in general.

all i see here is "herd" mentallity.

by rights you should all be shouting there doors down.

[Opitz]

Adult persons must have a practical goal when communicating with others than their family/friends. Especially on a forum. Emotions are best left to children. B6 message had a clear purpose: inform us. Answers like the one of our friend are purposeless: uninformative, emotional, trouble-stirring. He is unhappy with the current state of affairs of CoD ... well, so what? Who cares apart himself? He would better write his rants on the wall of his bedroom, as the practical outcome will be the same.

Have a nice day.

Well... As you can see even here we don't live in a perfect world... I just answered your question. That's all. You should add that it is just rethorical question...

Anyway, if you can excuse bugs, errors and missing features in CLOD and one year of false promises and misleading communication from devs to their customers, you should be able to excuse also young, frustrated guy, btw. unhappy customer too.

But I know, that at least forum rules have to be fulfilled and are taken seriously here by the majority of this community. So at least something around CLOD works fine!

So if I can ask - just forgive him, because you are able to forgive even worse things, right? And as you are old enough, just be patient with neverending line of unhappy customers...

One day, it will stop.

[Insuber]

Well... As you can see even here we don't live in a perfect world... I just answered your question. That's all. You should add that it is just rethorical question...

Anyway, if you can excuse bugs, errors and missing features in CLOD and one year of false promises and misleading communication from devs to their customers, you should be able to excuse also young, frustrated guy, btw. unhappy customer too.

But I know, that at least forum rules have to be fulfilled and are taken seriously here by the majority of this community. So at least something around CLOD works fine!

So if I can ask - just forgive him, because you are able to forgive even worse things, right? And as you are old enough, just be patient with neverending line of unhappy customers...

One day, it will stop.

That's quite a captious thought. I don't excuse or justify or forgive (lol) anybody, why do you suppose something like that?!? I value information above all, and rational analyses; anger and frustration add nothing to the communication, they rather subtract.
And the "frustrated guys" can find other interests in their life, instead of posting obsessively the same old recriminations over and over, don't you think so?

Have a nice day.

[vranac]

To share how amazed he is?

I rarely write on this forum,mostly reading,and flyin CloD a lot, but I can tell you one thing, on decent average modern PC this sim runs very well.
No hi end graphic card needed, you don't need the fastest CPU on the market,
if you read some tutorials you can go even with cheap AMD quad CPU, OC it to 4 GHz,and have lot of fun.

About misleading, false promises, ect... developers said before the release,
that sim will be demanding.


And I can tell, I wasn't mislead, as an old fan of Il2 I got better FM, astonishing DM,and a lot of eye candy if you compare it with old il2.

And yes, I'm amazed :)

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I rarely write on this forum,mostly reading,and flyin CloD a lot, but I can tell you one thing, on decent average modern PC this sim runs very well.
No hi end graphic card needed, you don't need the fastest CPU on the market,
if you read some tutorials you can go even with cheap AMD quad CPU, OC it to 4 GHz,and have lot of fun.
QFF = Quoted for Force10

In that he seems to allways miss these posts! ;)

[Force10]

QFF = Quoted for Force10

In that he seems to allways miss these posts! ;)

Yikes...I'm not sure how many times I have to say it Ace....COD has run smoothly on my machine save for the ground micro stutter since the patch 8 months ago. We were discussing the virtue of programming using the DX11 api when the engine doesn't support running in DX11 mode. Nice mis-direction attempt though.

[Gollum]

http://chickendee.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/bob.jpg

:(

[Heliocon]

DX9 support? WHY? You cant havent even been able to buy dx9 cards off the shelf in the U.S for like 2 years!

-Oh btw last time I checked we didn't have a DX11 support and it was not made in the DX11 API, they wasted a huge opportunity and honestly kind of screwed themselves over as in a year the engine will be left in the dust. I have pretty much lost all faith in the dev team at this point, they cant even get down the basics to make a stable and good looking modern graphics engine, let alone everything else missing. If they had any idea they would of left DX9 a long time ago, its not used at all anymore as you would have to be running a machine on XP with a 4-5+ year old card if not 6-7 year old card, there have been no growth prospects in that market for half a decade so if this engine is meant to last I call BS.

[baronWastelan]

Big market in poor areas of E. Europe and Asia still using pirated copies of win XP, hence the need for DX9 support.

[ATAG_Doc]

DX9 support? WHY? You cant havent even been able to buy dx9 cards off the shelf in the U.S for like 2 years!


HE said it's because the customer base in Russia use operating systems that are "cracked". Here's (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=429399&postcount=117) the quote.

Awesome business model I support it 110%. I bet games are even cracked to.