Aircraft Videos and Images

[swiss]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/aviation/crashes/what-really-happened-aboard-air-france-447-6611877-2

credits for finding this link go to "airway"

[AndyJWest]

The whole series of events does seem to indicate that modern 'pilots' may manage to qualify without actually understanding even basic aerodynamics. Of course, most of the time, the airlines would rather leave the flying to the autopilot, which can probably squeeze out the last half-percent of fuel economy better than any human pilot. And when it goes wrong, they blame 'human error', and automate even more. Instead, we have to rely on software, which as everyone knows is entirely reliable, bug free, and guaranteed to deliver as advertised...

[IvanK]

Wow, thanks for the link, very crazy read. It's hard to imagine that the controls in modern planes would let pilots do two opposite things, and average them out. Beyond the human error, that's simply unbelievable to me.

Its not quite as bad as that. Airbus mechanisation is such that Control inputs from both sticks are Algebraically summed and then transmitted to the Flight control computers.

However if 2 pilots are actively polling (an absolute no no in Airbus ideology) a voice alert "DUAL INPUT" is repeated. Its not subtle and clearly lets you know. Each joystick also has a Takeover button. When pressed this automatically prevents the inputs from the other stick getting to the flight control computers. When the button is pressed another voice alert blares "PRIORITY LEFT or RIGHT" together with a visual indication (an arrow) placed directly in the pilots line of sight indicating exactly who has control. In addition if the takeover button is pressed and held the other side stick is deactivated.

As to the reversion from "NORMAL" law to "ALTERNATE" law this is a very (imo) subtle indication. All you see is a small amber X in each corner of the attitude indicator. A better cue imo would be another voice alert like "ALTERNATE LAW" to leave you in no doubt that you are in a mode with reduced protections. The link makes mention that none of these pilots may have flown the aircraft in Alternate Law. Well maybe not in the actual aeroplane but they would have done a reasonable amount of Alternate law handling in the Simulator.

This accident presented the pilots with an horrific set of conflicting cues. A lot is going to be learnt from this accident. Changes to training and certification will undoubtedly result.

[bongodriver]

etc where the two pilots of a bomber/airliner need both people to pull out of whatever dive they've gotten themselves into. Seems strange to have 2 controls, but allow them to do different things

most aircraft have the dual controlls physically linked together so they can't operate independently, with airbus sidestick they are like computer joysticks and as IvanK said it's up to the computer to decide which one to pay attention to.

No doubt in my mind that isn't human error, as much as human instinct. When stuff hits the fan, and the brain/heart is racing, it's amazing what you can focus on and what you simply don't realize is happening around you.

When we do our CRM (crew resource management) courses they often use a classic little video to highlight exactly this particular point, the video is of a group of players, half wearing white and the others wearing black, the instructor asks you to count how many times a ball is passed between players wearing whichever colour, when the video finishes he asks how many times....most people give a similar answer, but then he asks if anybody saw the gorilla....anybody who never saw the video before really don't see the gorilla, he plays the video back and sure enough a guy in a gorilla suit walks across the screen and pauses in the middle of it to beat his chest and a carries on out of the picture, it's the same video, but it highlight how when the human brain is really focused or preoccupied it can miss the most obvious things.

[swiss]

I got a solution: Instead of normal joysticks, they need Sidewinders!
With FFB you can't stall without noticing. http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/konfus/a020.gif
lol

[Tavingon]

Please share here, I just found this and think it looks awesome

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/RedToo/Sunderland-Interior.jpg

The mid gunner section in the Sunderland!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/RedToo/Hampden-Office.jpg

Hampden cockpit

[swiss]

A bit OT but,
next time you're in the Imperial Museum of War in London, have look at the Zero tail there, focus on the fasteners and the used technique.

[Tavingon]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/RedToo/110-Cockpit-Interior.jpg
Sitting in the back of a bf110

[swiss]

keep 'em coming. :grin:

[TomcatViP]

LOL


At this point of twisted minded code, Microsoft is fully qualified to writte part of the airbus FBW laws ;)

[Sternjaeger II]

A bit OT but,
next time you're in the Imperial Museum of War in London, have look at the Zero tail there, focus on the fasteners and the used technique.

nice, I spent 10 mins browsing the interweb looking for images! LOL

What are they like? :)

[swiss]

nice, I spent 10 mins browsing the interweb looking for images! LOL
What are they like? :)


The thing that catched my attention was the use of thousands of castle nuts, but not secured with a pin, but a tiny piece of wire, individually cut and patiently bent around each bolt(iirc they used it to attach the sheetmetal to the frame)
It's something that makes you cry in despair if you think about the poor bastard who had to do this - but it's also a beautiful example of high quality Japanese craftsmanship....
...and waste of precious time in such situations.

[TomcatViP]

This is not Japanese

Or might be one or two of them lost in UK hapend to work here ;)

Regarding the photo : not really inside but...somehow !

[JG52Uther]

If you visit the RAF museum at Hendon you can walk through a Sunderland! That thing is huuuge!

[pupo162]

This is not Japanese

Or might be one or two of them lost in UK hapend to work here ;)

Regarding the photo : not really inside but...somehow !

fire!

[TomcatViP]

fire!

lol

[RedToo]

Nice to see images from my thread over at SimHQ popping up. :) They're slowly spreading around and about the net. The thread has many more early war pics and is here:

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2682133/While_we_re_waiting_for_CloDo_.html#Post2682133

RedToo.

[Tavingon]

http://www.pavlamodels.cz/images/aircraft/72035/more/06.jpg
Defiant Cockpit

http://www.airmuseumsuk.org/museum/Yeovil1/800/images/105%20Supermarine%20Walrus%20I%20L2301%20cockpit.j pg

Walrus Cockpit

http://www.binbrook.demon.co.uk/images/Battle_Cockpit.jpg

Fairey battle cockpit... Where on earth did the navigator fit in the back?

[Richie]

Hi Everybody.

I was wondering if any of you out there have read this. I've only read one allied book all the way threw because I find them boring compared to the constant action day after day year after year of the German fighter pilots. Nothing like getting chased by Russians threw a field of sunflowers with bullets wizzing by your head. Or gradually pulling away from a bunch of 51s on your six by out flying them but finally running out of fuel still being able to bail though. There's a damn good movie in that book :) Anyway this looks like it might be very good.


http://www.amazon.com/Messerschmitt-Roulette-Western-1941-42-Classics/dp/1840374268

[Sternjaeger II]

for "alternative" aviation reads you should try some great classics like:

"The Big Show" by Pierre Clostermann (dramatically beautiful and graphic at times!)

"Samurai" by Saburo Sakai (there are some bits of his book that could well make a beautiful movie, like when he's trying to chase fleeing bombers but he's too low and slow, and screams in anger as they get further and further away)

"Stuka Pilot" by Hans Ulrich Rudel (which I suppose you know)

"The Blond Knight of Germany" by Erich Hartmann

"Baa Baa Black Sheep" gives a very unusual insight into war in Asia

"My Logbook" by Gunther Rall

"Spitfire on my tail" by Ulrich Steinhilper

then if you have some time and money to invest:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=luftwaffe+pilots&x=0&y=0

I have a plethora of Italian books too, some of them are incredibly well written and tell some unheard stories, too bad there's no translated versions of them :-(

[Sternjaeger II]

I was kinda wondering about that one when I saw it in a bookshop, didn't have time to look through it, but I was wondering if it was written through his memoirs or it's just a bio.

[CWMV]

So is there anywhere that a copy of mein flugbuch can be obtained for less that $200?
Ive looked around but it seems to have been a very limited run.

And who can forget the classic The first and the last by Galland.

[swiss]

http://www.buchhandel.de/detailansicht.aspx?isbn=9783980793537

[Sternjaeger II]

I got me a signed copy when it came out straight away, it's now together with my signed Hartmann and Galland bios :)

[335th_GRAthos]

"I FLEW FOR THE FÜHRER - The Story of a German Fighter Pilot" by Heinz Knoke


~S~

[JG52Uther]

'Messerschmitts over Sicily: Diary of a Luftwaffe Fighter Commander' by Johannes Steinhof is a good book if you want some action.

[Sternjaeger II]

'Messerschmitts over Sicily: Diary of a Luftwaffe Fighter Commander' by Johannes Steinhof is a good book if you want some action.

I found that a bit dull actually,but maybe I read it with different expectations..
There are some remarkable bits though, like when he mentions Adriano Visconti :-)

[Sven]

Was going to get Luftwaffe Eagle by Walter Schuck this week, looking forward to reading that one. :)

[MACADEMIC]

Presently reading 'Malta Spitfire' by George Beurling, written in 1943. No shortage of action there. Good book.

MAC

[Tavingon]

http://img714.imageshack.us/i/cockpitt.jpg/

Fairey Barracuda

[Richie]

Ugh, how can you forget
"German Fighter Ace Hans Joachim Marseille: The Life Story of the Star of Africa"? :)

I have these

http://www.amazon.com/Hans-Joachim-Marseille-Illustrated-Tribute-Luftwaffes/dp/0764329405/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1327099151&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Jagdgeschwader-Dokumentation-Einsatz-allen-Fronten/dp/B000VUGKW6/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1327099327&sr=1-3-fkmr0

and another on my PC on JG27

plus a ton of others witch I could name later but I'm eating bacon and my bosses free range eggs right now.

[Richie]

Presently reading 'Malta Spitfire' by George Beurling, written in 1943. No shortage of action there. Good book.

MAC


That's a good suggestion. He was crazy or wild....right? There we go..Why can't Canada do a movie about a hot shot pilot? Why? I tell. It would be so minimalist and ho hum that people would think Buzz was a bore. We are pretty good about making movies about Necrophiliacs though. Roger Ebert dug it :)

[Tavingon]

http://www.vickersmachinegun.org.uk/images/awm/SUK15052.jpg

Not sure what plane this is inside, but good view of a sighted VGO

[DB605]

Virtual cockpits (ww2 and couple others), click on aircraft pic: http://www.jamiflyin.com/museossa

[Sven]

Virtual cockpits (ww2 and couple others), click on aircraft pic: http://www.jamiflyin.com/museossa

Awesome! Thanks for the tip!

[JG52Krupi]

Virtual cockpits (ww2 and couple others), click on aircraft pic: http://www.jamiflyin.com/museossa

Thanks for sharing, very cool!

[kestrel79]

I don't have any pictures but what always blew me away was the technology inside the B-29's gunner stations. I mean it was 1944 and that thing had computer aided remote turrets! I watched a history channel documentary on it and thought that was so ahead of its time.

[AndyJWest]

I think you'll find that B-29 turret 'computers' were analog devices (like for example the torpedo targeting 'computers' used in US submarines). Clever technology, but not computers in the modern sense.

[Tavingon]

http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/Blenheim_IV_Turret_Charger_Cameron7202.jpg
Blenhiem turret
http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/GunnersVGO.jpg
Inside the gunners 'office

[JG52Uther]

Do you have a picture of the escape hatch? Thats all I would want to know about if I was a Blenheim gunner...

[WTE_Galway]

Extremely well done P51C-5NT 3D virtual cockpit

http://www.stclairphoto-imaging.com/360/P51-Mustang/P51_swf.html


hold left mouse button to pan
zoom in/out with mouse wheel

[BG-09]

One Soviet pilot of I-16 was cought in very low dogfight with 2 Bf-109 E. The soviet pilot have done everything, but he cannot escape from the Bf-109 E's. I-16 was triying to escape on high speed over one lawn, with 1 Bf-109 E very close on its tail. Looking backwards, the soviet pilot hits a pile of hay on the lawn. The soviet I-16 imediately does somethig as salto with its nose downwards, stalling very strong, but still in the air. The soviet pilot is thrown from the open cannopy, falling on the lawn injured with trauma, but alive. The german pilot of Bf-109 E was not so lucky: Bf-109 E crashes in to the stalled in to the air I-16 and explodes. The german pilot dyes. Soviet troops take the injured pilot and send him in to the hosspital. Thats all I know.

Does anybody knows more details on this accident?

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[xpzorg]

http://i16fighter.ru/usage/ww2op/ww2op.htm in russian but...

[BG-09]

Большое спасибо за линк! Я знаю Руский - прочитаю все! Thank you!

[Tvrdi]

One Soviet pilot of I-16 was cought in very low dogfight with 2 Bf-109 E. The soviet pilot have done everything, but he cannot escape from the Bf-109 E's. I-16 was triying to escape on high speed over one lawn, with 1 Bf-109 E very close on its tail. Looking backwards, the soviet pilot hits a pile of hay on the lawn. The soviet I-16 imediately does somethig as salto with its nose downwards, stalling very strong, but still in the air. The soviet pilot is thrown from the open cannopy, falling on the lawn injured with trauma, but alive. The german pilot of Bf-109 E was not so lucky: Bf-109 E crashes in to the stalled in to the air I-16 and explodes. The german pilot dyes. Soviet troops take the injured pilot and send him in to the hosspital. Thats all I know.

Does anybody knows more details on this accident?

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Only few idiots would fly BF109 like that...it was a stalker (BnZ) and was used as stalker through the war....mostly....

[xpzorg]

I advise you to try to read this story(maybe with google translater;)). It's very interesting story, pilot's fate is unknown. Сasualties in fight 10/2.
http://nnm.ru/blogs/hot_tabych/zazerkale-dlya-geroya-zagadki-odnogo-snimka/page1/

[robtek]

Only few idiots would fly BF109 like that...it was a stalker (BnZ) and was used as stalker through the war....mostly....

Just don't let real life interfere with your theories.

Those fighters were used as needed, to say they flew almost exclusively as BnZ is simply wrong.

What about i. e. the many bomb carrying 109's, they flew usually on the deck.

The fighters might have planned for BnZ, but then again: no plan survives the contact with the enemy.

[Jaws2002]

Only few idiots would fly BF109 like that...it was a stalker (BnZ) and was used as stalker through the war....mostly....

Those were real Bf-109 fighter pilots, not internet comandos. They flew real planes, in a real war. In war they fly how they have to in order to achieve the mission goal.
If they had to chase an I-16, on the deck, they did just that. Not all made it out of it and not all could afford to fly how they wanted.
It was a real war not a game.

[Jaws2002]

Just don't let real life interfere with your theories.

The fighters might have planned for BnZ, but then again: no plan survives the contact with the enemy.

+1. The first casuality in war is the battle plan. :mrgreen:

[csThor]

Quite seriously: I am considering soviet war stories to be usually grossly blown out of proportion on behalf of the soviet authorities (Stalin ordered "improved" historiography after the war). Far too often this or that soviet pilot was injured/got his aircraft set on fire/whatever and still outfought so-and-so-many german fighters. I have read too many stories like this, most of them following exactly the same script without many or any deviations, so I simply discard them all as potentially or even most probably made up.

Sorry and hats off to the veterans. No slant against them, they're as much the victims of state propaganda as the general audience. :-(

[xpzorg]

Do you maybe want talk about anti-soviet propaganda conducted by western governments?:rolleyes:;)

[csThor]

No need. I have the german edition of "The Blonde Knight of Germany" about Erich Hartmann. I do recognise products of the Cold War when I see them ... ;)

[engadin]

Quite seriously: I am considering soviet war stories to be usually grossly blown out of proportion on behalf of the soviet authorities (Stalin ordered "improved" historiography after the war). Far too often this or that soviet pilot was injured/got his aircraft set on fire/whatever and still outfought so-and-so-many german fighters. I have read too many stories like this, most of them following exactly the same script without many or any deviations, so I simply discard them all as potentially or even most probably made up.

Sorry and hats off to the veterans. No slant against them, they're as much the victims of state propaganda as the general audience. :-(

+1 here. When propaganda gets so spread, it's really hard to tell it from reality. You know, truth, as Jaws 2002's battle plan, is the first casualty of war too, and prop has everything to do with it.

[VO101_Tom]

I know it's repost, but some of you might not know:
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/pilots/pilots.htm

[Tvrdi]

Those were real Bf-109 fighter pilots, not internet comandos. They flew real planes, in a real war. In war they fly how they have to in order to achieve the mission goal.
If they had to chase an I-16, on the deck, they did just that. Not all made it out of it and not all could afford to fly how they wanted.
It was a real war not a game.

Sure. Their task was to protect bombers and to fly patrols. In russian campaign, in earlier stages of the war sometimes they took the plunge and chased planes on the deck....but that was more exception than a rule...Jabos are different story Im not talking about them....

And dont tell me about real war please....I experienced it recently....

[MB_Avro_UK]

Hi all,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIkSbL83Rx4&feature=related

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

[bongodriver]

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[JG52Krupi]

Nice, thanks for sharing :D

[robtek]

Sure. Their task was to protect bombers and to fly patrols. In russian campaign, in earlier stages of the war sometimes they took the plunge and chased planes on the deck....but that was more exception than a rule...Jabos are different story Im not talking about them....

And dont tell me about real war please....I experienced it recently....

Their first priority, beside surviving, was to shoot down enemy fighters whenever they had the chance and no countering orders.

The war in the air has changed quite a bit since then!

[pupo162]

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnn nnnnnnn


loved it.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Nice!

Hopefully this classic Merlin flyby sound will replace the current diesel trucks that our Spits and Hurries sound like in Cliffs of Dover. Perhaps Black6 can forward this to Luthier with a note saying, simply, "Like THIS, Ilya!!!!"

[zxwings]

About the 109 chasing the I-16:

Everyone, not just "a few idiots", makes mistakes. Erich Hartmann, when not so experienced in the air, did, too. The 109 pilot in the story, however, did not survive his mistake.

[Feathered_IV]

Sore throat perhaps.

[Flanker35M]

S!

About history..everyone writes their own ;) But it is true that the Russian official history sadly STILL follows this strange agenda that an armless and legless guy half blind plane on fire without ammo shot down half of the Luftwaffe by shouting for Motherland and Stalin..I think the veterans do not approve all this from neither side.

A great example of Russian WW2 history are the claims of shot down Finnish airplanes during Winter War 1930-1940 lasting 105 days. VVS claimed over 440 planes being shot down. If this was the case our air force would have been decimated up to present day..go figure. Another goes for a guards regiment claiming 5 Messers shot down over Finnish Gulf when these planes just broke off in a dive because fuel was low. Dates and places match when comparing and the Finnish radio monitoring heard the message from the Russian pilot stating it.

Anyways..war ended LONG time ago and those men who were there are soon all gone. We would respect them more by remembering THEM instead the war. Those men gave their youth to war and rebuilding after it. We have it easy. I think they appreciate more that they are remembered and respected than the everlasting nitpicking of the war itself.

[Flanker35M]

S!

They would just need to travel to Duxford during summer to get the sounds. And I am more than confident that the Duxford crew would be more than helpfull if told why the recording is needed ;)

[JG5_emil]

It's so weird how something like that can stir up so much emotion but it did give me goosebumps!

[Ataros]

About history..everyone writes their own ;) But it is true that the Russian official history sadly STILL follows this strange agenda that an armless and legless guy half blind plane on fire without ammo shot down half of the Luftwaffe by shouting for Motherland and Stalin..I think the veterans do not approve all this from neither side.

I do not think we have any official history now. Every author has his own view depending on how he interprets old data. Especially in the field of aviation there were almost no historical research in the recent 25 years. Sadly government does not finance it.

Speaking of war and post war time this agenda was present on both sides because it was not a subject of history but subject of propaganda, Stalin's or Goebbels' - no much difference. Same that CNN does nowadays :)

[xpzorg]

Remember 2008 year, when western mass media footage showing "the destructions from the invasion" of Russians to Georgia. I'm in russia and my friends in france watched different scenes from tv. Is it no propaganda?
So it was and will always.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_war_during_the_2008_South_Ossetian_war

[Helrza]

super sexy Hurr IIc.... my fav hurri :D

[Flanker35M]

S!

Ataros, good point. I believe that with time things will change. A generation or two does not wipe off the results of a totalitarian regime. Not in Russia, not anywhere. And I think a saying from a veteran describes it well: The difference between nazis and communists was the flag. Both reigned with fear and terror. And if you look at the sentence it makes it perfectly clear, both regimes used camps, had extreme control of people via police etc. and only the elite of the regime had it well while rest of people were mostly as before. But anyways..sorry for derailing the thread and intention is not to flame anyone or any nation.

[Feathered_IV]

I've got something in my eye is all...

[flyingscampi]

I think this is a longer version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2nlGN6aS8g

This is good too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUx3MU9iM6c

[Foo'bar]

Nice!

Hopefully this classic Merlin flyby sound...

It has a griffon.

[ATAG_Snapper]

It has a griffon.

Really? Sure doesn't sound like one! ;)


http://www.militaryplanes.co.uk/pz865-h.html

[bw_wolverine]

It has a griffon.

The Hurricane from the first post? Hmm I don't think so. The Spitfire in one of the videos further down has a griffon, but that first Hurricane certainly didn't sound like a griffon engine.

Did the Hurricanes even use griffon engines? I don't think they ever did.

[ATAG_Snapper]

The Hurricane from the first post? Hmm I don't think so. The Spitfire in one of the videos further down has a griffon, but that first Hurricane certainly didn't sound like a griffon engine.

Did the Hurricanes even use griffon engines? I don't think they ever did.

Hey, if 1C can fit diesel engines into our Spits and Hurries, why not a Griffon in a Battle of Britain Memorial Flight Hurricane IIc? LOL

EDIT: clarification - when flying in CoD the sound of a Spit or Hurri alongside me sounded vaguely familiar.....and then it hit me. Sounds almost identical to an 18-wheeler's diesel engine beside me on the 401 when I'm cruisin' on my Hog! Conclusion: 1C shoehorned a flippin' diesel engine into our beloved Spits 'n Hurries!!!! LOL

[bw_wolverine]

Hey, if 1C can fit diesel engines into our Spits and Hurries, why not a Griffon in a Battle of Britain Memorial Flight Hurricane IIc? LOL

Ha!

I need to stop coming on here during the work day. All I want to do now is get back up in the skies and I've got 7 more hours to go.

Uuuuughhh.... ;)

[bongodriver]

Hurricanes never had griffons and spitfires only got them from Mk12 on

[bw_wolverine]

clarification - when flying in CoD the sound of a Spit or Hurri alongside me sounded vaguely familiar.....and then it hit me. Sounds almost identical to an 18-wheeler's diesel engine beside me on the 401 when I'm cruisin' on my Hog! Conclusion: 1C shoehorned a flippin' diesel engine into our beloved Spits 'n Hurries!!!! LOL

My god, you're right! I was checking my five o'clock this morning on the commute because I thought I'd picked up a wingman.

I hereby launch the Cliffs of Dover PMS Group! The Proper Merlin Sounds Group.

How come those ruddy blue pilots get a lovely sounding DB engine and we get a transport truck?

[ATAG_Snapper]

Hurricanes never had griffons and spitfires only got them from Mk12 on

No diesels, then?

[ATAG_Snapper]

My god, you're right! I was checking my five o'clock this morning on the commute because I thought I'd picked up a wingman.

I hereby launch the Cliffs of Dover PMS Group! The Proper Merlin Sounds Group.

How come those ruddy blue pilots get a lovely sounding DB engine and we get a transport truck?

PMS? Love it! Make me a charter member!

I can live with a wimpy Spit Ia, I can deal with a reversed-animation Spitfire mixture lever, but a diesel engine under the cowling????? NEVER!!!

(Sorry, was having a Jafa Sound Mod - moment.......)

[bongodriver]

No diesels, then?

Nope....but German bombers had diesels, I have no idea what they used to create the merlin sounds, I guess it's just too hard to synthesize the pure music of a merlin :grin:

[smink1701]

BS...tell Luthier to make the Hurricane fly-by sound just like that.;)

[ATAG_Snapper]

Nope....but German bombers had diesels, I have no idea what they used to create the merlin sounds, I guess it's just too hard to synthesize the pure music of a merlin :grin:

Seriously, I didn't know the Axis used diesels in bombers. I imagine, back in the day, they would've been fun to start in the winter -- although obviously they had that figured out only too well.

I'm puzzled that the 1C devs goofed up on the Merlin sounds, since Jafa's came so close to the external (F2 key) and, although not quite there, distinctly better than 1C on the flyby sound (F3 key):

(and this mod was released by Jafa over 9 months ago soon after CoD's release!!!)

http://vimeo.com/24922949

[bongodriver]

Seriously, I didn't know the Axis used diesels in bombers. I imagine, back in the day, they would've been fun to start in the winter -- although obviously they had that figured out only too well.

I'm puzzled that the 1C devs goofed up on the Merlin sounds, since Jafa's came so close to the external (F2 key) and, although not quite there, distinctly better than 1C on the flyby sound (F3 key):

(and this mod was released by Jafa over 9 months ago soon after CoD's release!!!)

http://vimeo.com/24922949

I don't think they really got used by the beginning of the of war.

anyway we'll have to see whether the patch brings something to the sounds, at least the improved the sound engine (didn't they say more was to come?)

[Flanker35M]

S!

The high altitude Ju86 used diesel engines. Early war no plane could get to it as it flew above 12000m.

[ATAG_Snapper]

I don't think they really got used by the beginning of the of war.

anyway we'll have to see whether the patch brings something to the sounds, at least the improved the sound engine (didn't they say more was to come?)

Hope so!

I'm the first one to give kudos to 1C for what they've delivered to us, warts and all. Obviously, I fly online a LOT, and 1C have provided me the means to greatly enjoy the whole air combat experience in my personal favourite of all theatres of virtual war. A few weeks back Wolverine and I teamed up on the server, flying line abreast over the Channel and successfully engaged several 109's in quick succession. Using Teamspeak, with the fantastic in-cockpit sounds and graphics, it felt like we were THERE! How can you beat that, sitting in the warm comfort of your computer room/rec room?

That said, as a Canuck with Brit & Aussie blood in my veins, I wish 1C would have taken a true dyed-in-the-wool Brit on board as an influential consultant to put the true Allied "heart" into the Red side: Campaign, aircraft sounds, flyables, etc etc. The distinctive note of the Merlin strikes an emotional chord of anyone associated in any way with the Battle of Britain, and yet the devs inexplicably missed that completely. Moscow is truly a long way from Duxford in this case.

As I've heard it described elsewhere, the devs will know when they've got the Merlin flyby right when the hairs on the back of their neck stands up! :)

[kestrel79]

Was the IIc Hurri the one with the 4 20mm cannon? That indeed was my fav Hurri from IL2. Packed a punch on the desert map in Spits vs 109 server.

[Flanker35M]

S!

So I have read too, Hurricane Mk.IIc was armed with 4 x 20mm Hispano, Mk.IIb with 12 x .303cal and the Mk.IId with 2 x .303cal and 2 x 40mm Bofors...Can be wrong though...

[ATAG_Doc]

Nice!

Hopefully this classic Merlin flyby sound will replace the current diesel trucks that our Spits and Hurries sound like in Cliffs of Dover. Perhaps Black6 can forward this to Luthier with a note saying, simply, "Like THIS, Ilya!!!!"


THAT'S IT! IT DOES! A diesel! Sounds like a gear jammin semi truck. Good call Snapper. It always eluded me as to what it sounded like and that is spot on. Rather than the Battle of Brittan theme I have East Bound and Down in my head now.

[bw_wolverine]

Not sure if anyone's seen this or read it. It's a facinating account with some answered questions that might be relavent to us here:

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/9601/canada2.html

[Skoshi Tiger]

Not sure where I saw this video first but it's an interesting point of view regarding peoples expectations of technology.

When it comes down to it, no one technology will solve all our problems, whether it's building a bomb site or optimising a flight sim. There is only so much that can be done. I guess we need to be realistic with our expectations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUVQP-erJ5Q

Heres looking forward to the next 10 years of COD.

[Sternjaeger II]

you probably saw it here ;)

It was posted some time ago, brill video nonetheless! :)

[Skoshi Tiger]

you probably saw it here ;)

It was posted some time ago, brill video nonetheless! :)

Now you mention it it does ring a bell. :)

At work we started the year with PD sessions and there were a few of the presenters showing TED's videos. As I was looking one of them up I found that one again!

Cheers!

[Sternjaeger II]

yeah, a lot of the TED stuff is truly inspirational, it's good to see some offices actually make use of it! :)

[BG-09]

http://life.time.com/history/before-and-after-d-day-in-color/?iid=lf%7Ceditors-pick#1

The world of WW2 seems very familiar when in color! :)

[Skoshi Tiger]

Some of those photo's are like postcards. Looks out of place with the war being fought around them.

[PeterPanPan]

Fantastic pictures. Thanks for sharing. I thought the 4th one looked familiar and then I checked. It is Henley-on-Thames in Oxfordshire, England. The view is looking east, downstream over the River Thames. All the buildings you see are still there - not much has changed in 70 years :)

http://www.360vision.co.uk/uploads/il2/then.jpg

http://www.360vision.co.uk/uploads/il2/now.jpg

PPP

[Tvrdi]

I always liked "now and then" pics...somehow it goes with me being a history buff....thanks Peter

[klem]

Just a social comment...
That cover picture (#1) is interesting. I have seen several people from the USA use their forks dagger-like as the guy in the centre does whilst in SE Asia I have met some very nice people completely baffled by what to do with knife and fork when chop sticks are not available. The one in the top left hand corner holds it in more recognisable US style but perhaps the guy on the right has the best idea :)

Wouldn't it be boring if we were all the same?

Picture 14, the guy on the extreme right looks as though he's pleased its all over.

[Ace Cheese]

My God, the colours are better than CLOD!

[BG-09]

My God, the colours are better than CLOD!

That is very true statement. I tought the same as I saw them! :(

[bongodriver]

Yes very true....they look nothing like a computer simulation....

[5./JG27.Farber]

Ive noticed in book shops you can buy tactics and stratergy books for various nations on infantry and tanks in various situations but for the life of me I cant find a single one on Air forrces - for any country for WWII.

Any one got any information if such books even exist?

EDIT1:

I actually just found some but if anyone knows a good one please let me know.
I just ordered:

Luftwaffe Handbook 1939-1945
Alfred Price

and

Luftwaffe Fighter Aces: The Jagdflieger and Their Combat Techniques (Greenhill Military Paperback)
Mike Spick

[priller26]

Great photos, it's amazing the material which keeps popping up.

[Igo kyu]

There used to be a WW2 book (by Edward Sims), but it's out of print and second hand copies cost too much.

"Fighter Combat: Tactics and Manoeuvring" by Robert L. Shaw is very good, and gets as technical as anyone other than someone taking a degree in aerodynamics could need.

"Air Combat Manoeuvres: The Technique and History of Air Fighting for Flight Simulation" is more basic, and my edition has one mistake, but it does have pretty pictures.

Mike Spick's book is okay, I haven't read the other one.

[icarus]

Awesome photos!

[5./JG27.Farber]

Thnaks for the reply Igo kyu,

Im am not so much looking for the best most efficent tatics but the actually tactics they used. I suppose there are no real definate books just on the luftwaffe because they had to adapt and change, however I suspect the main reason is because ariel combat is such a fluid art.

I will look into your suggestions, thank you.

[335th_GRAthos]

http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/124/language/en-CA/Bouncing-Clouds--Flying-the-Messerschmitt-Bf-109.aspx

http://www.vintagewings.ca/Portals/0/Vintage_Stories/ArchivedStories/109Title.jpg

~S~

[BG-09]

Awesome photos!

Thanks! :)

[Sven]

Thanks for the heads up!

[Welshman]

Fantastic pictures. Thanks for sharing. I thought the 4th one looked familiar and then I checked. It is Henley-on-Thames in Oxfordshire, England. The view is looking east, downstream over the River Thames. All the buildings you see are still there - not much has changed in 70 years :)

http://www.360vision.co.uk/uploads/il2/then.jpg

http://www.360vision.co.uk/uploads/il2/now.jpg

PPP

is it me or have the moved the bridge 100 meters down river lol

[major_setback]

Larger version.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/HenleyonThames1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/HenleyOnThames1944-1.jpg

Some more photos from wartime England. I posted a few of these earlier. Norwich, Dover, London, Stratford on Avon.:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Westlegate20BarkingDickeyInnCOLOUR29571939-04-12.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/TenBellLane10to14TudorhouseCOLOUR29581939-04-12.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/StBenedictsSt49COLOUR29671939-04-16.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/PrincesSt22to24COLOUR09641936-05-16.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/MarketPlaceviewnorthCOLOUR29611939-04-13.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/MarketPlace6to9QueenAnnestyleCOLOUR29661939-04-16.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/ElmHill41to43PettusHouseCOLOUR09621936-05-16.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/ElmHill9BritonsArmsPHCOLOUR09611936-05-16.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/CowHillviewnorthCOLOUR29591939-04-12.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/CityWallsEasternboomtowerCOLOUR07581935-09-14.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/ChapelFieldbandstandandpagodaCOLOUR07381935-08-21.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/CastleMeadowviewofcastlemoundCOLOUR29651939-04-16.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/CastleMeadowviewofCastleCOLOUR07571935-09-14.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/BuckinghamPalace1944wBalloon.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Cambribge1941Trinityst.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Colchester1942.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Dover1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Dover1945.jpg

[major_setback]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/HydePark1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Essex1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/GermanPrisonersofwar.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Hambledon1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Kent1945.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/London1941.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/London1941b.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/London1941c.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/London1941d.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/London1941e.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/London1941f.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/London1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/London1944b.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Luton1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/MarlowBuckinghamshire1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/MoretonintheMarsh1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/RoystonStation1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Stanstead1941.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/StratfordonAvon1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/StratforduponAvon1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Suffolk1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Suffolk1945.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/TrafalgarSquareNationalGallery.jpg

[major_setback]

Paris:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/ParisWWII01.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/ParisWWII02.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/ParisWWII03.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/ParisWWII04.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/ParisWWII05.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/ParisWWII06.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/ParisWWII07.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/ParisWWII08.jpg

Plymouth

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Plymouth1946.jpg

Rye Sussex

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/RyeSussex11930s.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/RyeSussex2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/RyeSussex3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/RyeSussex4.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/RyeSussex5.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/RyeSussex6.jpg

School 1948
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/school1948.jpg
1947
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Thames19474193716728_136c2d310a_o.jpg

1930
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/TrafficpassesdownWhitehallStreetLondonEnglandUK193 0.jpg

1924
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Autochrome1924.jpg

1924
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Autochrome21924.jpg

1947
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/London1947U00679ACME.jpg

[SG1_Lud]

Thank you Athos. :cool:

[BG-09]

Thanks for the pictures Major! Excelent photos! Wanderful! Thanks again! :)

[5./JG27.Farber]

Major setback, great images, thanks for sharing.

Look how clean and tidy everything is. The people, the streets everything has pride and place. Then you look at what we have today...

[Jaws2002]

It's a joy to see that puppy fly. I imagine how much fun it is to actually fly it.

I mean, just look at the smile on his face.

[Hood]

Major setback, great images, thanks for sharing.

Look how clean and tidy everything is. The people, the streets everything has pride and place. Then you look at what we have today...

Less people, less disposable goods and packaging, less rubbish.

Modern standards are different, sadly, but a lot of things are better.

Great pictures.

Hood

[JG52Uther]

Great pics! Those pictures of Stratford on Avon, the place still looks like that!

[BG-09]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeBD7aALhI8&feature=context&context=G20163efRVAAAAAAAAAg

[Tte. Costa]

Great scenes.
Tx to share, but...
In color, or colored?

[KG26_Alpha]

Coloured.

[addman]

Nice, especially since it's not the same footage I've seen a million times on Discovery and the likes.:) Saw a couple of Hetzers too...makes me wanna boot up WoT.

[Comrade Jordan]

This might be of interest for you. Allied Bomber Forces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_oJf54ZoRE

[robtek]

A single sided glorification of a inhuman (mostly against civilians) side of warfare!

Imo.

[Heinz Laube]

A single sided glorification of a inhuman (mostly against civilians) side of warfare!

Imo.

+1

[Comrade Jordan]

wait...so there is a humane side of warfare? sounds very zynical, especially about WWII.

There is about 20 seconds on the beginning of the video, that says alot.
anyway. just thought this would be a video worth watching, no offence.

[ATAG_Snapper]

I found the footage interesting (although I turned the electronic music off).

[Sternjaeger II]

it's always interesting watching this kind of footage, even if the choice of soundtrack kinda makes me wonder about the sanity of the author..

[bongodriver]

I liked the music....that old 8bit stuff conjures some fond memories :)

[Sternjaeger II]

yeah, bet that's what the 8th Air Force chaps listened to with their 8 tracks installed in the Mustangs ;)

[bongodriver]

Useless fact.....8 track was invented by Bill Lear, the guy who made the Learjet.

[Sutts]

A single sided glorification of a inhuman (mostly against civilians) side of warfare!

Imo.

Great footage, inappropriate music IMO.

[robtek]

Yes, thats what i meant!

Without the soundtrack it is a documentary, though, the cutter must be on drugs :D

[Viking]

Sad thing is that the bombing never ended. It keeps on even today.

[mazex]

Great footage, inappropriate music IMO.

+ 1

Mazex

[BG-09]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivojRApwPGk&feature=g-vrec&context=G20163efRVAAAAAAAAAg

[Snuff_Pidgeon]

Great stuff thanks!

[kestrel79]

Wow amazing footage. Wish it was in english.

[Trumper]

:( Yesterday saw the removal of exhibits from Bottisham Museum to a temporary storage place whilst looking for a new venue.
The land is possibly going to be redeveloped so the buildings may soon be no more.
Alot of hard work by the members saw several loads of exhibits transferred from their home.
Here are a few photos from the day.
If you wish to keep in touch there is the website
http://www.bottishamairfieldmuseum.org.uk/
and a facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/groups/bottishamairfieldmuseum/
Thanks for looking

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp71/Bennyscooby/IMG_9954Small.jpg

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp71/Bennyscooby/IMG_9945Small.jpg

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp71/Bennyscooby/IMG_9936Small.jpg

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp71/Bennyscooby/IMG_9932Small.jpg

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp71/Bennyscooby/IMG_9927Small.jpg

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp71/Bennyscooby/IMG_9925Small.jpg

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp71/Bennyscooby/IMG_9923Small.jpg

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp71/Bennyscooby/IMG_9921Small.jpg

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp71/Bennyscooby/IMG_9920Small.jpg

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp71/Bennyscooby/IMG_9957Small.jpg

[ATAG_Dutch]

Ah crap, that's such a shame. :(

[RedToo]

Some great pics here from 'Luftwaffe im Focus'

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17467094/Luftwaffe-Im-Focus-Spezial-No1-in-Colour

I particularly like page 39 ...

$5.00 fee to download the pdf - well worth it - lovely big colour pics.

RedToo.

[III/JG53_Don]

Some nice pics in there. It always astonish me how real everything looks with just a little bit of colour :D

[Sven]

Amazing find, thank you very much!

[ATAG_Doc]

Thank you!

[Jaws2002]

Enjoy.:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jIAqgVMZRIA

[TomcatViP]

The neg G pull up at the end is simply breathtaking

[w1nd6urfa]

Hello all,

I will be visiting Malta next week, does anyone know of any WW2 related exhibits / museums worth paying a visit?

TIA
w1nd

[pupaxx]

try this,
http://www.maltaviationmuseum.com/
a friend of mine visited it several times and he was enthusiast about it.;)
I envy you, an aviation journey in spring season, what's better!
Cheers

[WTE_Galway]

Also the war museum. They have the fuselage of the Gladiator nicknamed "Faith" on display among other things.


http://www.heritagemalta.org/resources/documents/HMWarMuseum.pdf

[w1nd6urfa]

Cool, thanks guys

I'll post a few pics next week

[phoenix1963]

The Lascaris War Rooms http://www.wirtartna.org/Default.aspx?tabid=2483 are atmospheric - if they're open, they were shut when we were last there.

The best read is Malta: The Thorn in Rommel's Side - Six Months That Turned the War by Laddie Lucas. You'll find it there in (expensive) bookshops if you don't have time to get it before you go.

Don't miss the stuff about the Great Siege in 1565 either, if you have time read Ernle Bradford's book The Great Siege: Malta, 1565. Also the prehistoric stone circles are awesome, visit Hagar Qim and Mnajdra.

Malta is a great place to go if you're interested in history.

56RAF_phoenix

[322Sqn_Dusty]

Hello,

In 2010 i've held a vacation on Malta. The Lascaris War Rooms were open but they were restoring the plotting room at that time. Keep in mind that the entrance is found via the the Upper Barracca Gardens from Battery Street (Battery fires at noon a shot for time ref.) The tour bus of the north holds in sight of the battery while on the harbour side at noon, beware of weird faces when ur sprinting from the bus to make pictures and video of the shot :cool: and others just missed it...).

It costs about €15 pp (currently more?) to ride the sightbus. Every half an hour it comes by and you can hop on and off. Local busses are a treat..cheap and quite a ride....

http://www.maltasightseeing.com

Lots of traces of WW2 can be found, i recommend the reading about Pedestal etc before you go.

[trademe900]

There are many raf fighter combat reports describing the interception of bombers and kills etc but where are the accounts from the german bomber crews and escorting fighters? I am very interested to read them.

Any help much appreciated.

[NLS61]

There are many raf fighter combat reports describing the interception of bombers and kills etc but where are the accounts from the german bomber crews and escorting fighters? I am very interested to read them.

Any help much appreciated.

Maybe http://tinyurl.com/84k4oxm

[MB_Avro_UK]

Maybe http://tinyurl.com/84k4oxm


:):):)

[Mysticpuma]

Just found this video showing a group of Parachutes as they start to exit their aircraft. After the first leaves, the aircraft banks into a Spiral stall spin and cameras capture the view inside and outside as it heads earthward:

(Click on link above the video square to view the video)

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5c5_1331438922

Cheers, MP

[pupo162]

wow, what an impresisve footage.

as noone got hurt, ill say it anyway.

i found it a rather beautiful view, the guy filming the plane falling from the sky at the same speed as he was free falling.

[Kankkis]

Yeah thanks for sharing mysticpuma, i have been skydiver too but only with 6 jump :(

[FFCW_Urizen]

http://defensetech.org/2012/03/10/awesome-new-pics-of-chinas-stealth-fighter/

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJSVmpV1Kb0

enjoy ;)

[Osprey]

Only it's not very stealthy, so much so that the security is so poor surrounding it, hence this "pretend we're hiding in the bushes when it's parked out in the open in a city".

Even Typhoon could take it out lol

[FFCW_Urizen]

wouldn´t china need a city for all their soldiers? might just be a very big base. didn´t pay too much attention to the background though.

[Al Schlageter]

Go to the link and then external links for viewing the video you want to watch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_We_Fight

Prelude to War (1942) (51:35) (Academy award as Documentary Feature) – this examines the difference between democratic and fascist states, and covers the Japanese conquest of Manchuria and the Italian conquest of Ethiopia. [4] Capra describes it as "presenting a general picture of two worlds; the slave and the free, and the rise of totalitarian militarism from Japan's conquest of Manchuria to Mussolini's conquest of Ethiopia."[3]

The Nazis Strike (1943) (40:20) – covers Nazi geopolitics and the conquest of Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland. [5] Capra's description: "Hitler rises. Imposes Nazi dictatorship on Germany. Goose-steps into Rhineland and Austria. Threatens war unless given Czechoslovakia. Appeasers oblige. Hitler invades Poland. Curtain rises on the tragedy of the century—World War II."[3]

Divide and Conquer (1943) (56:00) [6] – about the campaign in Benelux and the Fall of France. Capra's description: "Hitler occupies Denmark and Norway, outflanks Maginot Line, drives British Army into North Sea, forces surrender of France."[3]

The Battle of Britain (1943) (51:30) [7] – depicts Britain's victory against the Luftwaffe. Capra's synopsis: "Showing the gallant and victorious defense of Britain by Royal Air Force, at a time when shattered but unbeaten British were only people fighting Nazis."[3]

The Battle of Russia (1943) (76:07) Part I [8] and Part II [9] – shows a history of Russian defense and Russia's battle against Germany. Capra's synopsis: "History of Russia; people, size, resources, wars. Death struggle against Nazi armies at gates of Moscow and Leningrad. At Stalingrad, Nazis put through meat grinder."[3]

The Battle of China (1944) (62:16) [10] – shows Japanese aggression such as the Nanking Massacre and Chinese efforts such as the construction of the Burma Road and the Battle of Changsha. Capra's synopsis: "Japan's warlords commit total effort to conquest of China. Once conquered, Japan would use China's manpower for the conquest of all Asia."[3]

War Comes to America (1945) (64:20) [11] – shows how the pattern of Axis aggression turned the American people against isolationism. Capra's synopsis: "Dealt with who, what, where, why, and how we came to be the U.S.A.—the oldest major democratic republic still living under its original constitution. But the heart of the film dealt with the depth and variety of emotions with which Americans reacted to the traumatic events in Europe and Asia. How our convictions slowly changed from total non-involvement to total commitment as we realized that loss of freedom anywhere increased the danger to our own freedom. This last film of the series was, and still is, one of the most graphic visual histories of the Unites [sic?] States ever made."[3]

[NSU]

There are many raf fighter combat reports describing the interception of bombers and kills etc but where are the accounts from the german bomber crews and escorting fighters? I am very interested to read them.

Any help much appreciated.


You must look for "Flugbuch" or "Leistungsbuch" (pilot Logbook) like this:

http://www.stalingrad-feldpost.de/Zeitzeugen/Zeitzeuge_Kallweit_/Flugbuch-Deimel/body_flugbuch-deimel.html

[JG26_EZ]

I think the most asked question when trying to get some people to go skydiving, is...
"Why would I want to jump out of a perfectly good airplane?"
I think it would have made a great title for the vid :D
Nice find btw.

[JG52Uther]

Amazing quality, could have been taken yesterday:

http://pavel-kosenko.livejournal.com/303194.html?thread=22669914

[TomcatViP]

Thx a lot !

[RedToo]

Lots more here:

http://www.shorpy.com/image/tid/179

Shorpy.com is a great site.

RedToo.

[Osprey]

Fantastic quality.

[FFCW_Urizen]

Thx a lot! Just look at the quality, amazing.

[335th_GRAthos]

Thanks! :)

~S~

[baronWastelan]

Russia Today ^ | 11 March, 2012 | *Ivan Fursov

Chinese ‘Mighty Dragon’ doomed to breathe Russian fire

While Beijing is proudly leaking more images of J-20 fifth-generation stealth fighter jet, China continues to buy Russian military jet engines and spare parts, which might indicate China is in a technological deadlock.

*China is making an attempt to catch up with world leaders and develop hi-tech vehicles in the absence of crucial military know-how and technology, like engines for ultrasonic cruise flights and active phased array antennas.

“As of now, it is too early to say that China is capable of creating a fifth-generation jet from start to finish,” told RT Vasily Kashin from the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

*Chinese 5th-gen fighter jet

*The Chinese J-20 (Mighty Dragon) fith-generation fighter jet program is advancing in truly huge strides. The jet has already made over 60 test flights, performing elements of aerial acrobatics.

In 2009, General He Weirong, Deputy Commander of the People’s Liberation Army Air Force estimated that the J-20 would be operational no earlier than in 2017-2019. Now it appears Chinese engineers have done a great job and the jet is much closer to being ready than expected.

Created by Chengdu Aircraft Corporation, this heavy fighter jet is the first military plane China has constructed on its own, without visible attempts at copying foreign technology. It resembles neither the American Raptor F-22, nor the Russian T-50 PAK-FA.

Though peculiar forms of the jet and technical decisions allegedly realized in the vehicle might be questionable, one thing about this plane is an established fact.

As of now, the J-20 flies with two Russian AL-31F jet engines it borrowed from the Russian Su-27 fighter jet that entered Chinese service in the mid-1980s.

China also tried to put engines of their own on a second test J-20 vehicle, but the copycat of the Soviet engine AL-31F made by China is not in the same league as the Russian analogue for reliability and durability.

The real problem is both AL-31F and Chinese version are engines of the previous generation.

No question the Chinese jet is a prototype model and technology demonstration vehicle called to test new equipment and technology. Defined as a technology showroom, it may fly whatever engines its creator considers possible. But China has no working engine for a 5G jet.

Despite the fact that China tries to sell clones of the Russian jets at discount prices on the international arms market ($10 million for a J-11, while the Russian original Su-27 is well over $30 million), China continues to buy Russian engines and certain parts of these engines in quantities that far exceed the necessity to do routine maintenance of the Russian planes they use.

Chinese dependence on Russian engines can only be explained by technological inferiority of Chinese engine-building.

Beijing has found itself in a position when getting a decent 5G fighter jets with complying engines means buying engines in Russia, because no other country will sell them anything similar.

*Why China needs Russian 4++ fighter jets

*This week, news came that Moscow and Beijing are close to striking a deal on China buying 48 Su-35 multifunctional fighter jets for $4 billion. The main reason for this remarkable purchase could be Russia’s jet engines.

The Su-35 flies with two next generation AL-41F1C engines that enable it to achieve hypersonic speed without afterburner, a feature attributed to 5G jets. And AL-41F1C actually is a de-rated version of the AL-41F1 (117C) engine used on the undergoing tests T-50 PAK-FA, Russian 5G fighter jet.

The new Russian engine AL-41F1C is what China needs to make J-20 fly as a 5G jet.

In 2010, when Russia’s Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov was on visit to China, Beijing proposed to buy 117C engines, but the offer was turned down.

Russians agreed to sell only assembled planes and in addition insist on signing a special anti-copycat agreement, designed to prevent the Chinese from copying the vehicle and its parts, as has happened before.

This demand has become a stumbling block in the negotiations. After the news about the deal emerged, the Chinese Ministry of Defense rushed to deny that negotiations on Su-35 with Moscow are in the terminal stage.

“Actually, any negotiations with China always come to the following: they try to buy a small lot [of arms] for examination and possible further replication. Naturally, Russia is aware of such risks and refuse to sell arms in small quantities,” said Vasily Kashin, explaining China’s canny moves to obtain missing technology.

Russia has great doubts concerning the practicability of selling AL-41F1C engines to Beijing without the special replication clause. This does not suit China because in the end they need technology to organize a production line for such engines of their own.

*China’s copycat efforts

For many years China has been the biggest buyer of Russian military planes. Overall it has bought 178 fighter jets of only Su-27/Su-30 family – until producing a successful copycat of it, named J-11.

They also replicated Russian deck-based fighter Su-33 (J-15), Su-27 fighter jet (J-10), Su-30 (J-11), MiG-29 (FC-1).

*Chinese dragon with Russian engines

Kashin predicts that after long negotiations Moscow and Beijing will finally strike a separate jet engine deal and Russia will supply engines for the J-20 program, the way it already supplies engines to all four major types of Chinese fighter jets which are actually copycats of Soviet-made planes.

“Buying the Su-35 to dismantle its engines to put on J-20 would be madly expensive for the Chinese,” said Kashin.

“The J-20 is a very technically-risky project because there is no guarantee that Chinese will be capable to put into shape by 2017 several systems they are developing for the project, including special munitions and an active phased array antenna of they own in-house design,” Kashin told RT.

The J-20s will most likely fly with Russian engines for years before they make a reliable engine of their own, Kashin said.

The expert also pointed out that while the Chinese stated earlier they attempted to make a jet with the characteristics of an American F-22, they more likely are now working not on a fighter, but a stealth assault jet.

The J-20 will presumably be capable of piercing an enemy’s air defense to strike an important target – something like an aircraft carrier, as could be seen in J-20 “Attack on all fronts”advertising clip.

*Ivan Fursov, RT

[335th_GRAthos]

I think this video is more fun:

sea trials of the F-35B on the USS Wasp

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Ki86x1WKPmE&feature=colike


~S~

[JG52Krupi]

I think this video is more fun:

sea trials of the F-35B on the USS Wasp

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Ki86x1WKPmE&feature=colike


~S~

Yeah its great to have a laugh at the amount of money spent on that "thing" why couldn't they have designed it so that the fan cover didn't act like a damn airbrake at take off!!!!!!!

[major_setback]

I went through the site a while ago. Here are the best pics; to save you searching. I think these are bigger versions too.

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http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/p-51-mustang-p51.jpg

[Jaws2002]

Yeah its great to have a laugh at the amount of money spent on that "thing" why couldn't they have designed it so that the fan cover didn't act like a damn airbrake at take off!!!!!!!

It doesn't. It acts like a scoop that takes air from top front and sends it down trough the lift fan. This creates lower pressure above the craft and helps with the lift.

[JG52Krupi]

Ah interesting, still very glad the UK went for the CTOL version

[baronWastelan]

Ah interesting, still very glad the UK went for the CTOL version

Estimates for adapting HMS Prince of Wales so that it can be used by the Joint Strike Fighter are understood have risen from £500 million to £1.8 billion.

Millions have already been spent on studies to look at how to convert the ship after ministers decided to scrap the jump-jet variant of the plane in favour of a conventional take-off and landing model. But so great is the rise in total costs, ministers are considering abandoning the plan and reverting to the Ministry of Defence’s original proposals.

Philip Hammond, the Defence Secretary, believes there is not enough money in the budget to afford the £300 million a year to carry out the work over six years.

“We are certainly looking at what’s affordable and what can be done in terms of risk and cost,” said an MoD official. “If you have an unaffordable programme you cannot ignore it.” The move is likely to be embarrassing for the Government as the changes were at the heart of the Strategic Defence and Security Review in 2010. It will also heighten criticism of the Government for disbanding the fleet of Harrier jets and selling them to US Marine Corps for “peanuts”.

Under the new plans, the Government is expected to choose the jump-jet version of the JSF, even though the take-off and landing model can fly further and carry more bombs.

The decision will also mean an end to plans for joint-carrier operations with French and American ships as they are only equipped to handle conventional fighters. To take off and land on HMS Prince of Wales, the vessel needed to be fitted with a catapult system to launch the aircraft and a “trap” to slow planes down and stop them when they land.

The MoD has earmarked up to £80 million for the conversion feasibility study and half the money has been spent.

Pressure is mounting on ministers to make a decision because of the time it will take to refit the carrier. More than 200 Navy sailors and fliers are about to begin training on US and French carriers to ensure the British ships have qualified crews when launched. Mr Hammond’s decision, expected at the end of this month, could be helped after manufacturers said technical problems with the jump-jet fighter were largely resolved.

Full article at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9139029/Cost-of-refitting-Royal-Navy-aircraft-carrier-trebles.html

[Kupsised]

The decision will also mean an end to plans for joint-carrier operations with French and American ships as they are only equipped to handle conventional fighters. To take off and land on HMS Prince of Wales, the vessel needed to be fitted with a catapult system to launch the aircraft and a “trap” to slow planes down and stop them when they land.


To be honest, it's that the scares me the most. I've never really liked the idea of the RAF having the F35 (although converting Typhoons for carrier operations isn't really an option either, the F35 just reminds me too much of the F111), but to not take the CTOL version and miss out on the opportunity to cooperate with the French would be a huge missed opportunity. We have the chance to begin serious European military cooperation with the French (obviously outside of NATO, but that doesn't count since it isn't European and also the 'pooling' they have there is extremely limited), and ok, it might incurr a massive cost in the short term, but if we could pool our carrier force together it would also make big savings in the long term. If we are going to take the F35, at least take the one that nets us the most benefits, even if it's at a greater short-term cost.

[TomcatViP]

Yeah all that story is ridiculous. I guess that now the Brits are pleased to be the "un-beatable US ally" -e.g building a fleet of modernized Harrier's at a tremendous cost and giving them away to the poor Marines at peanuts price (180M$ - seems I made an error on a previous post). The story does not say if a case of fine whiskey came with the gift ;).


Thx Baron for the heads-up

[Katana1000S]

As much as I like exotic aircraft I cant help but feel we should have just went with FA/18 Super Hornets for our new carrier, its well proven, a truer tried and tested design and great all round performer and a hell of a lot cheaper than the F-35 ... some insist we need to stay at the cutting edge but we cant afford to and the next step will be even more expensive and so on and so forth.

I guess we cant back out of the F-35 program now, politics are just so backwards sometimes.

[Katana1000S]

Yeah all that story is ridiculous. I guess that now the Brits are pleased to be the "un-beatable US ally" -e.g building a fleet of modernized Harrier's at a tremendous cost and giving them away to the poor Marines at peanuts price (180M$ - seems I made an error on a previous post). The story does not say if a case of fine whiskey came with the gift ;).


Thx Baron for the heads-up

That was crazy (as was scrapping the Nimrod MR4's when they were finished!!) apparently all our Harriers were sold for the price of about one F-35 ... and the Marines will be flying at least some of them.

As I said, Politicians are just dumb.

[Osprey]

It's not just the price but the timing. Leaving us without a single carrier is embarrassing and a tactical disaster. The Navy and RAF battle each other more than look to our requirement as a country, ending up keeping dozens and dozens of useless Frigates in preference to 2 or 3 decent aircraft carriers with a decent protective destroyer fleet. At least we have Astute class subs.

This is the reward for voting in greedy grinning public school ponces with tons of charisma for the voters but absolutely zero diplomacy, negotiation skill, business acumen, long term strategic idea nor ethical concept. British voters = media led idiots.

[mxmadman]

It's not just the price but the timing. Leaving us without a single carrier is embarrassing and a tactical disaster. The Navy and RAF battle each other more than look to our requirement as a country, ending up keeping dozens and dozens of useless Frigates in preference to 2 or 3 decent aircraft carriers with a decent protective destroyer fleet. At least we have Astute class subs.

This is the reward for voting in greedy grinning public school ponces with tons of charisma for the voters but absolutely zero diplomacy, negotiation skill, business acumen, long term strategic idea nor ethical concept. British voters = media led idiots.

You might as well take out the "British" part of that last sentence. Stupidity does not obey national boundaries, and I'm sure you could insert any other nation into that sentence and no one would argue.

P.S. I'm loving this thread. Need more like this one! Helps me get through my Friday.

Edit: I should clarify: I like all the interesting information and quotes on the first page. I'm not enough of a junkie to search out this info on my own but its great when you guys do it for me!

[Bewolf]

You might as well take out the "British" part of that last sentence. Stupidity does not obey national boundaries, and I'm sure you could insert any other nation into that sentence and no one would argue.

P.S. I'm loving this thread. Need more like this one! Helps me get through my Friday.

Edit: I should clarify: I like all the interesting information and quotes on the first page. I'm not enough of a junkie to search out this info on my own but its great when you guys do it for me!

To be fair, its not just politians. Defense companies have this habit to make great offers, which then run over budget and late on a permanent basis. Those comapnies are so used to getting their equipment taken over by the governments they got fat, lazy and plagued by an entitelment attitude.

[RedToo]

http://thirdreichcolorpictures.blogspot.co.uk/2010/02/oberst-werner-baumbach.html

RedToo.

[Thee_oddball]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6Wq0-HU8Kc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLxOkI7pHp8

[Richie]

If you like 109s watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbeRn1rgoIo

[major_setback]

Thanks. There are some photos I haven't seen before there.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wxOZ3jqALlw/Tvj2vbhSjaI/AAAAAAAADvg/N2JV-Y07IWk/s1600/15%2BMesserschmitt%2BMe%2Bbf%2B109%2BHungarian%2Bf ighter%2Bsquadron%2BHungary%2Bair%2Bforce.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-K2Z2OJYY0vw/TyK0YQryCWI/AAAAAAAAD1s/gqs9ooVS1g8/s1600/16%2BMesserschmitt%2BMe%2Bbf%2B109%2BHungarian%2Bf ighter%2Bsquadron%2BHungary%2Bair%2Bforce1.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Jq8-SrQL-Lg/Tvj2tucQJLI/AAAAAAAADuw/KoiA_fLtcMs/s1600/13%2BMesserschmitt%2BMe%2Bbf%2B109%2BHungarian%2Bf ighter%2Bsquadron%2BHungary%2Bair%2Bforce1.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FdDImSTe-dw/Tv-CNyBWjrI/AAAAAAAADy0/Kjlf7jh2CK0/s1600/Walter%2BHorten%2Bof%2BIII.-JG%2B26%2Bin%2Bthe%2Bcockpit%2Bof%2Bhis%2BMessersc hmitt%2BBf%2B109%2BEa.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tlxBsfV9gkY/T1KkVpu7iuI/AAAAAAAAEDc/4HoU5NysVrQ/s1600/32%2BOberleutnant%2BWalter%2BGrasemann%2BHeinkel%2 BHe%2B111.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5taaEK6SIgI/Tt_NLUllBtI/AAAAAAAADpc/E8c1fq5INSg/s1600/Oberingenieur%2BRudolf%2BBlaser%2BFocke-Wulf%2BFw%2B190%2BOberfeldwebel%2BWalter%2BGr%25C3 %25BCnlinger.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OsOP4RsWxhQ/Tv9wUwKDirI/AAAAAAAADxw/j9_gyzhBR_U/s1600/Pilots%2Bof%2BI-JG%2B3%2BUdet%2Bat%2Bpre-flight%2Bmeeting%2Bon%2Bthe%2BChannel%2Bfront.%2BB f%2B109s%2Bin%2Bthe%2Bbackground%2Bwith%2Byellow%2 Bcowlings%2Band%2Bwing%2Btips.jpg

[cebit]

Really nice vid.
Noticed on the footage when the pilot was flying around the english countryside that in the distance it was hazy and low visibility distance towards the ground while sky could still be scanned propperly.
Maybe something that will be done eventually with the new graph engine in works to avoid that annoying "box" of rendering around your aircraft and the ground.

[GF_Mastiff]

awesome war bird video!

[PeterPanPan]

Thanks for sharing, will enjoy watching this. Is it just me though, or does the engine start at about 1:27 sound like a really wet fart? Maybe it's my speakers?! :grin:

[GF_Mastiff]

Whats great is I can watch this on my 82 inch Digital DLP Mitsubishi from you tube! To bad it's not
1080p and wow the cockpit sounds stay the same no other noise.
Also in the mini cam sequence theres a latch that came lose I wounder if they saw that? 55:10

[addman]

The moment that DB engine comes to life...pure love!:grin: Excellent vid thanks!

[Martin77]

Amazing Video. Thank you very much

[Towarisch]

Realy, realy nice video. Thank you very much for sharing it. I love the sounds and this little wonderfull Warbirdie:)


THANK YOU


with regards from Germany



Towarisch

[Richie]

These are really something. Enjoy.


http://extras.denverpost.com/archive/captured.asp

[baronWastelan]

Thanks for posting the link, those are stunning images.

Just last month I had reprints made from Kodak film I snapped in Africa 25 years ago. The prints look they were shot last year. Eerie!

[SG1_Lud]

Thank you for the gift Richie.

[BP_Tailspin]

Thanks for posting.

[Herbs107]

Fantastic images thanks for posting them Richie.

[335th_GRAthos]

For those interested....



Falklands' Most Daring Raid in Channel4

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/falklands-most-daring-raid

On 30 April 1982, the RAF launched a secret mission: to fly a Vulcan bomber to
the Falkland Islands and bomb Port Stanley's runway, putting it out of action
for Argentine fighter jets. The safety of the British Task Force depended on
its success.

However, the RAF could only get a single crumbling, Cold War-era Vulcan 8000
miles south to the Falklands, because one bomber needed an aerial fleet of 13
Victor tanker planes to refuel it throughout the 16-hour round-trip. At the
time it was the longest-range bombing mission in history.

From start to finish, the seemingly impossible mission was a comedy of errors,
held together by pluck and ingenuity.

On the brink of being scrapped, only three of the ageing nuclear bombers could
be fitted out for war, one to fly the mission and two in reserve. Crucial spare
parts were scavenged from museums and scrap yards: one vital component had been
serving as an ashtray in the Officers' Mess.

In just three weeks, the Vulcan crews had to learn air-to-air refuelling, which
they hadn't done for 20 years, and conventional bombing, which they hadn't done
for ten.

The RAF scoured the country for Second World War iron bombs, and complex
refuelling calculations were done the night before on a £5 pocket calculator.

With a plan stretched to the limit and the RAF's hopes riding on just one
Vulcan, the mission was flown on a knife-edge; fraught with mechanical
failures, unreliable navigation, electrical storms and not enough fuel.

Of the 21 bombs the Vulcan dropped, only one found its target. But it was
enough to change the outcome of the war.

Astonishingly, this great feat has been downplayed into near obscurity by
history, but this documentary brings it back to life, providing a thrilling and
uncharacteristically upbeat account from the Falklands War: the Dambusters for
the 1980s generation.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

~S~

[PeterPanPan]

Was first aired last week. EXCELLENT program - incredible story.
PPP

[arthursmedley]

"Of the 21 bombs the Vulcan dropped, only one found its target. But it was
enough to change the outcome of the war."

Absolute TV history bullsh#t!

[PeterPanPan]

"Of the 21 bombs the Vulcan dropped, only one found its target. But it was
enough to change the outcome of the war."

Absolute TV history bullsh#t!

Agreed re that bit ;). Why do they feel the need to write that stuff?! Never-the-less an amazing story, very well told IMHO.

[No1 Cheese]

Gents i think the post was trying to say it was a great mission? and if you agree or not on the war it was a great mission.

Cheese

[PeterPanPan]

Gents i think the post was trying to say it was a great mission? and if you agree or not on the war it was a great mission.

Cheese

Totally agree - sorry if my post was vague! I thought it was an incredible mission in every respect. The book, Vulcan 607, tells the whole story in detail and is superbly written - gripping stuff!

[Richie]

I was just thinking about Robert Redford telling a story about when he was a young man walking down a long stretch of highway and being able to hear a car coming from a mile away. That is real "One The Road" moment. You'll probably never find that now a days.

[JG52Uther]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlBKYXHSuhc

[Al Schlageter]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8270787@N07/sets/72157605269786717/show/

all in color

[fruitbat]

Cool, thanks for posting:cool:

[BP_Tailspin]

Cool, thanks for posting:cool:

I agree with this statement http://www.cubpilot.com/Tspin/Woot.gif

[KG26_Alpha]

Unbelievable collection thanks for the link.

Shame there's no background story to cover the pics.

[addman]

Unbelievable collection thanks for the link.

Shame there's no background story to cover the pics.

Try clicking on "Show Info" in the upper right corner, awesome stuff this site thanks!

[KG26_Alpha]

Try clicking on "Show Info" in the upper right corner, awesome stuff this site thanks!

Bingo.......... works great on Firefox

[MB_Avro_UK]

Thanks for posting.

And shot down by a Defiant?

[Sternjaeger II]

it's gonna be a helluva restoration job if they manage to recover it in one piece.
The Do-17 wing surface is HUGE, so recovering it in one bit will be quite a challenge, especially considering how thin the tail section is. Even if they manage to recover it though, there will be a massive and extensive restoration job needed to bring it back to its original shine, and there might be a case where they will have to decide whether to leave it as it is (once they stop corrosion) or give it back its original shine.

[Osprey]

I hope they bring her up to the surface for a restoration. I remember reading that the wreck was known about for some time and some people have pinched the guns from it - the RAF say it's MoD property and want them back.

[Sternjaeger II]

I hope they bring her up to the surface for a restoration. I remember reading that the wreck was known about for some time and some people have pinched the guns from it - the RAF say it's MoD property and want them back.

I can't imagine them being in any nick good enough to be used, so it's not a security threat, but these kinda folks really grind my gears!

As for the claims of the MoD, LOL! Come on chaps, you find a unique relic in shallow waters and not expect somebody reckless enough not to have a go at it?

Anyway why is it considered MoD property? I don't know much of the UK legislation on the matter.

[Adlerhorst]

I am coming to London on business at the end of May and have about 2 1/2 days available to immerse myself in some BOB History. What are the must-sees in your opinion>? Thanks:cool:

[furbs]

Bit of a trip out of London but IWM Duxford is well worth it...

http://www.iwm.org.uk/visits/iwm-duxford

[Ze-Jamz]

Bit of a trip out of London but IWM Duxford is well worth it...

http://www.iwm.org.uk/visits/iwm-duxford

+1

And Duxford if you dont mind a small bit of travel

[mungee]

Without doubt, the Battle of Britain Museum at Hawkinge - it's a hidden gem!!
One needs to travel by train to Canterbury & then by bus to Hawkinge - the museum is a relatively short walk from the bus stop in Hawkinge. The museum has a website.

[fruitbat]

if you do make your way to Hawkinge then i suggest you go to Manston as well, great little free museum,

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/thefruitbat1/29082010056.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/thefruitbat1/29082010043.jpg

Depending on my work schedule i could meet up and show you around some of the BoB stuff in S.E Kent, i live 2 miles from Manston.

[major_setback]

RAF museum Hendon. A very good museum, I think it's as good as Duxford...and you won't have to travel out of London.
Look at the list of aircraft on display (including a Sunderland and Lancaster):

http://www.aviationmuseum.eu/World/Europe/UK/Hendon/Royal-Air_Force_Museum.htm

I'm certain there is a Wellington too, but it's not on the list.

The Battle of Britain exhibition hall is excellent.

[ATAG_Dutch]

If you get the chance to hop on a train to Folkestone/Dover, the BoB memorial at Capel-le Ferne, situated on top of the White cliffs;

http://www.battleofbritainmemorial.org/the-memorial/

Also, not everyone's cup of tea, but the RAF's Church of St. Clement Danes in central London.

[pupaxx]

Hendon RAF Museum
Imperial War Museum London
HMS Belfast...sorry seems HMS Belfast is currently closed and will not be reopening until after Easter 2012. But u can take nice pictures cause it is anchored near London Tower Bridge
Churchill War Room
if u have enough time to go near Cambridge u can visit IWM Duxford and the Shuttleworth Collection at the Old Warden airfield (WWI)
This is my favorite tour in England ;)

[jcenzano]

RAF museum Hendon. A very good museum, I think it's as good as Duxford...and you won't have to travel out of London.
Look at the list of aircraft on display (including a Sunderland and Lancaster):

http://www.aviationmuseum.eu/World/Europe/UK/Hendon/Royal-Air_Force_Museum.htm

I'm certain there is a Wellington too, but it's not on the list.

The Battle of Britain exhibition hall is excellent.

+1

I don´t know the other ones in the UK (i know several across the US, Germany and Spain) but I must tell you that Hendon is indeed an excellent museum.

Worth to be included in your agenda.

[Peaveywolf]

The War Museum is a good visit, and not that far from central london, just on the south side of the Thames.

[phoenix1963]

SO w1nd6urfa, what did you see?

phoenix1963

[MB_Avro_UK]

Try and go to Old Warden near Biggleswade.

It's an old aerodrome with a grass runway. Anywhere that has Biggles in the name has my vote.

http://www.shuttleworth.org/gallery.asp

Better still, buy myself and my lady a firkin of beer and we'll take you there ourselves:cool:


Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

[gelbevierzehn]

Duxford... definitely Duxford... :D

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7215/7048968331_8007a8a0a6_b.jpg

[mazex]

Hello all,

I will be visiting Malta next week, does anyone know of any WW2 related exhibits / museums worth paying a visit?

TIA
w1nd

I was there on a conference a few years ago and If you have a diving license I can recommend an exhibition that is 15 meters below the surface right in the outer part of the Grand Harbor of Valetta ;) HMS Maori, a tribal class destroyer that was sunk by Stukas in 1942...

Very easy dive and very accessible from the shore of the harbor...

EDIT: Oups - old thread but I stand by my advice for other people visiting Malta ;) And there is a Blenheim and a Beaufighter amongst other aircraft out in the ocean... Rather deep though in most cases...

[klem]

Best aviation museums:-

Duxford near Cambridge, may even be flying displays, check their program
http://www.iwm.org.uk/visits/iwm-duxford

Hendon is nearer to London
http://www.aviationmuseum.eu/World/Europe/UK/Hendon/Royal-Air_Force_Museum.htm

If you are near the South Coast, Tangmere Aviation Museum near Chichester is fairly small but a gem. I'll put you in our Lightning Simulator :)
http://www.tangmere-museum.org.uk/

[w1nd6urfa]

The Aviation Museum is great! they have restored a Spit IX and a Hurri recovered from the sea:

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[w1nd6urfa]

There's the remains of a Swordfish awaiting restoration:

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[w1nd6urfa]

A Tiger Moth which apparently is airworthy:

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[w1nd6urfa]

And the grandad of IL-2 ;)

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[airmalik]

Watched Bomber Boys on the TV last night. Pretty good show with great footage of one of the only two flying Lancasters in the air.

You can watch it online here:

http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/2219155877/Bomber-Boys

It's only available online for 14 more days.

enjoy!

Synopsis: Ewan McGregor and his aviator brother Colin tell the story of the RAF's Bomber Command and the men who fought and died in the skies above Europe during World War Two. Ewan and Colin meet a number of key surviving members of Bomber Command and take on a variety of practical challenges. While Colin fulfils his lifetime ambition of flying one of the only two surviving Lancaster Bombers, Ewan learns what it was like being a tail-gunner - perhaps the most lonely and dangerous job of all bomber aircrew.

[Troll2k]

"This content is currently unavailable".

Maybe it because I am out of the Australian zone.

[airmalik]

Yeah I'm sorry didn't check if it was available outside AU.

Can I watch On Demand outside Australia?
Rights agreements mean that SBS On Demand is only available in the Australia. Even if you are an Australian citizen you cannot access the service from abroad. Some videos of Insight, Dateline and World News Australia clips are available to watch internationally.

[banned]

Watched Bomber Boys on the TV last night. Pretty good show with great footage of one of the only two flying Lancasters in the air.

You can watch it online here:

http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/2219155877/Bomber-Boys

It's only available online for 14 more days.

enjoy!

Synopsis: Ewan McGregor and his aviator brother Colin tell the story of the RAF's Bomber Command and the men who fought and died in the skies above Europe during World War Two. Ewan and Colin meet a number of key surviving members of Bomber Command and take on a variety of practical challenges. While Colin fulfils his lifetime ambition of flying one of the only two surviving Lancaster Bombers, Ewan learns what it was like being a tail-gunner - perhaps the most lonely and dangerous job of all bomber aircrew.
That was friggin excellent mate. A great show. Thanks for supplying the link.

[WeReLex]

Hi people. A very good man made subs and uploaded on YouTube.
This documentary film of 1991 about people in aviation made in USSR just before its dissolution. The quality is not very good, but you can find only VHS rip... it's a very rare movie.
Planes Su-27 and MiG-29. The film is dedicated to Ivan Kozhedub.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfarDjtAeUQ&feature=youtu.be

The theme of the forum sukhoi.ru: http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=75446&p=1825573#post1825573

[335th_GRAthos]

For those interested in warships:

Castles of Steel: Britain, Germany, and the Winning of the Great War at Sea
by Robert K. Massie
(This is Massie's second book, the first being Dreadnought: Britain, Germany, and the coming of the Great War).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/ad/Castles_of_Steel_Cover1.jpg/200px-Castles_of_Steel_Cover1.jpg


The book begins in the lead-up to the declaration of hostilities between Germany and Britain, whereas Massie's previous work ended with the beginning of the war. All the significant naval strategies and battles of World War I are covered, including the Battle of Coronel, where a German squadron led by Admiral Maximilian von Spee destroyed a weaker British cruiser squadron under the command of Admiral Sir Christopher Cradock; the ensuing Battle of the Falkland Islands where von Spee's force was annihilated by a superior British squadron; the Battle of Dogger Bank (1915); Naval operations in the Dardanelles Campaign; and a detailed multichapter narrative of the Battle of Jutland and its aftermath.

Other chapters describe German submarine warfare and events triggering America's entry into the war. There are also chapters dedicated to central personalities such as British Admirals John Jellicoe and David Beatty and the German Admirals Franz von Hipper and Reinhard Scheer. The book ends with an account of the scuttling of the German High Seas Fleet in Scapa Flow.



~S~

[JG5_emil]

I have this book it's brilliant :)

[Ploughman]

That I've not read this book yet is an omission of the highest order.

[arthursmedley]

This looks really interesting Grathos. There is a third book in this story but not by this author and unfortunately long out of print but a quick google search produced the first 46 pages in pdf. Check out the pics. A truly amazing story.

http://www.pr-productions.co.uk/The%20Man.pdf

[335th_GRAthos]

Nice story, never heard about it.

Thanks Arthur!

~S~