The unfortunate turth

[MACK-ATTACK]

Iv come to the conclusion that cod was just a "beta" for the soon to be released russian front squeal. I dont know what happened through all those years of supposed building of the game but something went terribly wrong. If one were to just look at the game as a whole you can see so much missing that should be there for a full featured game. Take into the account that they want to add ground vehicles and all this "other" stuff I can say that this is no longer a flight sim. On the flip side what option do we really have? at this point this is really the only ww2 flight "sim" game out there...there really no other option...I want to flame this game so bad but its all we have. we are a dying breed of gamers left with little to nothing for this type of genre...I remember when airwarrior, battle of Britain, aces high, janes fighiters, b-17, and many more flight sims ruled the pc gaming isle. Now its just a distant memory... So I guess this is what were left with. A half baked game from a group of game developers that have good intentions but never deliver. Patch after patch after patch...when the sequel hits im sure it will be much better. but for now this "beta" phase is just sad....Again, what choice does an old ww2 sim fan have?

[CaptainDoggles]

The fact that they're only going to put token effort into CLOD has been apparent for some time.

We've already seen official statements that they aren't going to fix the flight models until after Battle of Moscow comes out.

[AndyJWest]

What is a 'turth'?

[JG52Krupi]

We've already seen official statements that they aren't going to fix the flight models until after Battle of Moscow comes out.

Err doesn't the beta patch contain changes to the flight model, some of which already have the Rather Annoyed Force up in arms ;)

[5./JG27.Farber]

on the flip side what option do we really have? At this point this is really the only ww2 flight "sim" game out there...there really no other option...i want to flame this game so bad but its all we have. we are a dying breed of gamers left with little to nothing for this type of genre...

+1

s! :(

[MACK-ATTACK]

What is a 'turth'?

lol fixed. sorry abit tired.

[Jaws2002]

With this game looking worse and worse from patch to patch, it's actually encuraging for other companies to get into ww2 combat flight siming.
Before the CLOD release, everyone, including other companies, were aware of the very high standards products released by Maddox Games and didn't risk getting into competition with them. Maddox Games had the market cornered.
Fast forward one year. Now everyone out there knows this team is a shadow of the powerhouse it once was, so I'm sure others will get into this genere and compete for all this honest and loyal customers.

Competition is the soul of progress. Bring it.

[MACK-ATTACK]

With this game looking worse and worse from patch to patch, it's actually encuraging for other companies to get into ww2 combat flight siming.
Before the CLOD release, everyone, including other companies, were aware of the very high standards products released by Maddox Games and didn't risk getting into competition with them. Maddox Games had the market cornered.
Fast forward one year. Now everyone out there knows this team is a shadow of the powerhouse it once was, so I'm sure others will get into this genere.

yeah I think you right. When oleg left the soul left. we are indeed left with the shell of what once was a great gaming empire. I mean they are trying but to little affect.

[JG52Krupi]

Meanwhile at the Maddox Games headquarters....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyCj9dmi5n8&feature=related

[II/JG54_Emil]

Iv come to the conclusion that cod was just a "beta" for the soon to be released russian front squeal....

So what???

[ACE-OF-ACES]

The unfortunate truth here is that no mater what 1C does there will be a group that is not happy.

[41Sqn_Stormcrow]

Don't sing the swan's song yet.

This is a beta patch not a release version of the patch. So no need to be disappointed at this stage.

[kestrel79]

I going to reserve my judgement until the FINAL release version of this patch comes out.

[PotNoodles]

I hope Blacksix is right when he says that the grass, trees and clouds will be optimized in nine days time. I thought this is what they had been working on for the last 7 months and it was this that was causing the FPS issues. As it is I still get stutters near the ground same as before so i'm a little confused as to what it is they have fixed.

I would also like to know why they said last week that they wanted the patch to be right before releasing it this time? This patch was about fixing the FPS and they release it when the Grass, Trees and clouds still cause horrible stutters? I also noticed that there was no mention in the Blacksix post leading upto the patch been released, that grass/trees.. etc were still problem areas in this game. I wonder just how much of this game is still broken.

[Mysticpuma]

I think the best thing 1C can do is convert everything in IL2:1946 to the new Graphics engine and it'll be job done ;)

[MadTommy]

The unfortunate truth here is that no mater what 1C does there will be a group that is not happy.

Very true indeed, mainly because whatever they do it is sub standard.

All these months saying we wont release anything until its perfect and restores the community faith in the game.. and what do we get. An alpha patch. I think the only reason it is called alpha patch is they are incapable of anything else.

Alpha patch... its actually pretty funny. Looking at the history of this game from its 6 year delayed release to now its hard not to only come to one conclusion....

[DroopSnoot]

Very true indeed, mainly because whatever they do it is sub standard.

All these months saying we wont release anything until its perfect and restores the community faith in the game.. and what do we get. An alpha patch. I think the only reason it is called alpha patch is they are incapable of anything else.

Alpha patch... its actually pretty funny. Looking at the history of this game from its 6 year delayed release to now its hard not to only come to one conclusion....

I know, try not to feel that way but i can no longer envisage the RC being different from the alpha/beta states we have had.
I still cant believe the whole graphics rewrite was only 276mb, maybe its only part of the re-write. Or maybe it was just pork pies again. Who knows.

[Icarus1]

All I wanted was the CTD, stutters and shimmering gone. I got nothing out of this patch. I mean if they fixed those things then we'd all realize the other problems are probably just around the corner. However, I find the patch worse than before patch.

I have thought for some time CoD is just a carrot on a stick to keep everyone trotting toward BoM.

[41Sqn_Stormcrow]

I think the best thing 1C can do is convert everything in IL2:1946 to the new Graphics engine and it'll be job done ;)

Disagree. IL2.1 has too many limitations in FM and DM. Although IL2.2 is not perfect yet in this aspect it is a leap forward compared to IL2.1

Since I fly IL2.2 I do no longer want to fly IL2.1 as it feels too arcadish compared to IL2.2

[DroopSnoot]

Does everyone else still have the flashing of desktop all the time when starting game and entering/exiting the menus and stuff like that?

[carguy_]

The unfortunate truth here is that no mater what 1C does there will be a group that is not happy.
What`s strange is that those are the same people that have been whining for a year now.

[CaptainDoggles]

Err doesn't the beta patch contain changes to the flight model, some of which already have the Rather Annoyed Force up in arms ;)

Yeah they're all pissed off that they won't have a plane that out-turns, out-climbs, and out-speeds the Luftwaffe any more.

Anyways, 1C have stated more than once that the flight models are wrong above 7000m and that it won't be fixed until they get more of our money.

do not allow us to minimize the margin of error at altitudes about 7 km (21,000 ft) where most aircraft begin to perform worse than their real-life counterparts. Fixing this requires more extensive code rework and will therefore only appear with the upcoming sequel

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Very true indeed, mainly because whatever they do it is sub standard.
Case in point ^^

[pupaxx]

I going to reserve my judgement until the FINAL release version of this patch comes out.

+1...even if I become to turn pessimist :(

[ACE-OF-ACES]

What`s strange is that those are the same people that have been whining for a year now.
Roger that which leads me to belive it has more to do with thier PC than CoD

[MB_Avro_UK]

The truth is this. Made last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBsFkAP48iI&feature=relmfu

Anything else better? I think not.


Keep up thje excellent work Developers:grin:

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

[Whiski]

Seems a bit backwards to me. If they expect more money then releasing CLoD in such a state would have a rather adverse effect on that idea.

I for one, won't be purchasing BoM, at least not until it has been out for several months and has been scrutinized by the community, or they get CLoD working as intended.

Whiskey

[fruitbat]

Ace, even though i don't want to, i'm becoming increasingly despondent now myself.

At some point potential has to be realised into actuality.

From my point of view, i could live with everything else if the fm's were good, but they seem to be going backwards

[outer beacon]

Roger that which leads me to belive it has more to do with thier PC than CoD

Fair point, but how is it that 1C can't write software that runs equally well on recommended spec machines? Lots of other developers manage it quite well.

Beta patch it may be, but unfortunately it appears for most to be a step backwards. I am having more CTD now than I was was pre patch.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Ace, even though i don't want to, i'm becoming increasingly despondent now myself.

At some point potential has to be realised into actuality.

From my point of view, i could live with everything else if the fm's were good, but they seem to be going backwards
Don't get me wrong.. it is depressing that more of these folks can not get the CoD to work with thier systems.. That means less targets online which is bad for all of us.

But stop and remember.. This is a alpha/beta patch that 1C themselfs admited day one has issues (disabled feature) and they released it with the sole purpose of getting feedback from all the users to help them nail down the bugs faster! You know that thing alot of the whiners have been whining for.. And now they got thier chance to be part of the solution and all they way to do is sit back and pretend they didn't hear/read the part about this being an alpha/beta patch and want to pass judgement as if this was the final patch and 1C guarnteed that everything was fixxed!

In short..

What part of alpha/beta patch do these people not understand?

If you don't want to help out by reporting bugs.. than don't DL alpha/beta patches and WAIT for the FINAL patch

IT IS THAT SIMPLE!!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Fair point, but how is it that 1C can't write software that runs equally well on recommended spec machines? Lots of other developers manage it quite well.

Beta patch it may be, but unfortunately it appears for most to be a step backwards. I am having more CTD now than I was was pre patch.
Remember this post.. a few years from now.. when you ask yourself why no one is making games (flight sims) for PCs anymore and the only games (flight sims) you can by are for the X-Box and are dumbed down for the X-Box masses

Because it is attitudes like that which will make that day come sooner than later

[Trumper]

With this game looking worse and worse from patch to patch, it's actually encuraging for other companies to get into ww2 combat flight siming.
Before the CLOD release, everyone, including other companies, were aware of the very high standards products released by Maddox Games and didn't risk getting into competition with them. Maddox Games had the market cornered.
Fast forward one year. Now everyone out there knows this team is a shadow of the powerhouse it once was, so I'm sure others will get into this genere and compete for all this honest and loyal customers.

Competition is the soul of progress. Bring it.
Agreed BUT the competition will also know how hard it is to get up to the high bar and they may leave things short but working which we the consumers may have to decide on.
You can have a sim of less quality working or wait for Clod which may be a while yet.
Graphics will improve in time as advances are made but will the research into accuracy follow or will they settle for arcade sell = high numbers.

[addman]

I'm also trying to preserve judgment until the final release version of the patch is out but here it is, pop-up clouds, a myriad of new graphical bugs, FM fixes that are not really fixed (G.50 over 3000 meters is still a brick with decreasing performance), a.i fixes that are not really fixed (wingmen still doing yarn old seppuku) just to mention a few I've noticed myself.

I still have hope the final version will be better. Still though:
"Clouds cause constant FPS drop; grass and trees cause hick-ups. A few extra days of work for this, a few days for grass, few days for clouds, we felt that we could start open testing the patch without waiting for these changes."

After over half a year waiting for this, those words just makes me go http://somj.org/images/smilies/ROTFLMAO.gif

[CaptainDoggles]

You can have a sim of less quality working or wait for Clod which may be a while yet. I don't believe that those are the only choices.

It's clear to those of us who retain objective viewpoints that the sim has been bungled on a massive scale (and no, Tagert, I'm not crying because I don't realize this is a beta patch).

[carguy_]

From my point of view, i could live with everything else if the fm's were good, but they seem to be going backwards
Well you should see how many times that has been said about IL2 Sturmovik in the past. It seems simple but obviously is not. Knowing the exact way the game code reacts to FM changes is the key to understanding why they never can get it right. Despite all the graphs and other data available.

I can assure you that in DM/FM field it will go back and forth if the sim keeps going.

[carguy_]

Graphics will improve in time as advances are made but will the research into accuracy follow or will they settle for arcade sell = high numbers.
That is ever questionable.

I don`t think that anyone that knows something about Soviet planes would deny that most of them have been modeled in IL2 in the more say "optimistic" way. Soviet airforce didn`t lose hundrets of aircraft just to inexperienced pilots, and that is what IL2 makes you think.
Proves that the Russian market has a big unfluence on what Oleg did to the FM.

Translating that for other markets, I think that in some more popular MMO arcade sims the P-51, the Spitfire and the FW190 are bound to be made by according to certain "selling" points : easy controls, superior performance to most opponents, no construction related faults.

[addman]

Well you should see how many times that has been said about IL2 Sturmovik in the past. It seems simple but obviously is not. Knowing the exact way the game code reacts to FM changes is the key to understanding why they never can get it right. Despite all the graphs and other data available.

I can assure you that in DM/FM field it will go back and forth if the sim keeps going.

Well that's a fact, those debates will never end and most sane people of the fan base ignores them, still it would be nice if the devs could -over a year after release- get the basics done, e.g working a.i commands down. I'm primarily an offliner and that there -not performance issues or CTD's mind you- is one of my biggest gripes with this game.

[carguy_]

lol, great post, what do you think we have all being doing for the last 15 months then Ace, sitting on our thumbs?? No of course not we have been reporting every bug that this excuse for a flight sim as. And yet the patch's continually make things worse for a large majority of us, lets face it this dev team is stuck in a rut, they haven't the skills to fix this broken title. One step forward 2 steps back. They have lost the faith of their customers with BS and sloppy work.
Maybe you should only speak for yourself. Because if you want another monthly ban then I`ll help you regaining it.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

great post
Agreed 100%

[addman]

Agreed 100%

Aaah, Ace, still the undisputed master of quotes I see. I bow to you sir.:)

[Tree_UK]

Maybe you should only speak for yourself. Because if you want another monthly ban then I`ll help you regaining it.

lol :grin::grin:

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Maybe you should only speak for yourself.
Exactally!

It is sad that Tree feels the need to ignore the fact that some people experiences differ from his.

Because the 'truth' is some people are experiencing big improvements!

But Tree can never acknowledge that simple truth because in doing so his purpose in life would be null n void.

All in all this patch with it's mixed bag of results is to be expected from an alpha/beta patch that was release by the devs with the sole purpose of working with customers that 'ARE' experiencing problems so they can find and fix those problem quicker..

Yet Tree and his followers conveniently ignore that simple truth and act as if this was the 'FINAL' patch release and that 1C promised everything was fixed..

It is times like these I really feel for the devs at 1C..

Talk about a loose loose situation.

[PotNoodles]

Roger that which leads me to belive it has more to do with thier PC than CoD

Isn't that what everyone was told when they first released this game? I don't think that washes anymore with anyone.

[Tree_UK]

Exactally!

It is sad that Tree feels the need to ignore the fact that some people experiences differ from his.

Because the 'truth' is some people are experiencing big improvements!

But Tree can never acknowledge that simple truth because in doing so his purpose in life would be null n void.

All in all this patch with it's mixed bag of results is to be expected from an alpha/beta patch that was release by the devs with the sole purpose of working with customers that 'ARE' experiencing problems so they can find and fix those problem quicker..

Yet Tree and his followers conveniently ignore that simple truth and act as if this was the 'FINAL' patch release and that 1C promised everything was fixed..

It is times like these I really feel for the devs at 1C..

Talk about a loose loose situation.

According to poll results, 50% have seen the same or worse performance.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Isn't that what everyone was told when they first released this game? I don't think that washes anymore with anyone.
It washes just fine.. Because if it was a bug in CoD that caused the errors 'SOME' are seeing then 'EVERYONE' would be experancing the same problems. But not 'EVERYONE' is experancing the same problems, therefore there is some 'SPECIFIC' about those peooples PCs that in conjunction with CoD is causing the problem! That is why the devs decided to release this alpha/beta patch to get feedback (logs and dump files) from those people who are having problems in the hopes that they can change something in CoD to account for those issues those PCs are having

[ACE-OF-ACES]

According to poll results, 50% have seen the same or worse performance. It took 7 months to produce that success rate.
So what part of alpha/beta patch are you still confused about?

[bongodriver]

According to poll results, 50% have seen the same or worse performance. It took 7 months to produce that success rate.


According to this poll about 50% are getting better performance....

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=31780&page=6

[PotNoodles]

It washes just fine.. Because if it was a bug in CoD that caused the errors 'SOME' are seeing then 'EVERYONE' would be experancing the same problems. But not 'EVERYONE' is experancing the same problems, therefore there is some 'SPECIFIC' about those peooples PCs that in conjunction with CoD is causing the problem! That is why the devs decided to release this alpha/beta patch to get feedback (logs and dump files) from those people who are having problems in the hopes that they can change something in CoD to account for those issues those PCs are having

I never read anywhere where the Devs said they were releasing it for these reasons. Infact just last week I saw a post from Blacksix that stated they wouldn't release a patch until it did what it was supposed to do which in this case was double the FPS.

[Tree_UK]

It washes just fine.. Because if it was a bug in CoD that caused the errors 'SOME' are seeing then 'EVERYONE' would be experancing the same problems. But not 'EVERYONE' is experancing the same problems, therefore there is some 'SPECIFIC' about those peooples PCs that in conjunction with CoD is causing the problem! That is why the devs decided to release this alpha/beta patch to get feedback (logs and dump files) from those people who are having problems in the hopes that they can change something in CoD to account for those issues those PCs are having

lol, oh and its 'experiencing'

[41Sqn_Stormcrow]

lol, oh and its 'experiencing'

Now that's definitely ultra cheap to attack somebody on his or her mastery of the very complicated and not very consistant spelling of the English language particularly if this person is not a native speaker. Very cheap indeed.

[carguy_]

I never read anywhere where the Devs said they were releasing it for these reasons. Infact just last week I saw a post from Blacksix that stated they wouldn't release a patch until it did what it was supposed to do which in this case was double the FPS.
Can you point me to this post? I thought that the patch was supposed to fix mainly the CTDs, the particles murdering the fps, micro freezes and some other graphical artifacts (ie the horizon bug). At the same time there have been information posted that fps has gone up. But where you read that the patch raises fps by 50% I don`t know. Maybe you need to reread the release notes. So far it states :
Most recommended-spec machine will see a roughly double average FPS and a significant reduction in the micro-freezes that had previously plagued the game.
which is IMO an estimation and certainly not a promise for a alpha patch. I`d be also more careful about judging everything posted by users on this since some even are having problems with applying the alpha files or do not know if they are really experiencing a different game version.

[CaptainDoggles]

It washes just fine.. Because if it was a bug in CoD that caused the errors 'SOME' are seeing then 'EVERYONE' would be experancing the same problems. But not 'EVERYONE' is experancing the same problems, therefore there is some 'SPECIFIC' about those peooples PCs that in conjunction with CoD is causing the problem! That is why the devs decided to release this alpha/beta patch to get feedback (logs and dump files) from those people who are having problems in the hopes that they can change something in CoD to account for those issues those PCs are having

That's not how rendering bugs work. It's not a problem with the user's PC. It's a problem with the renderer not working well on the user's PC. That means there's a problem with the patch.

For example I get better performance out of this patch, and the game runs much smoother for me (though it crashed 4 times before I could even get into the game :rolleyes: ). My squadmate however, had a crash-to-desktop after about 30 minutes of flying.

Does that mean it's his problem? No, it means it's 1C's problem.

Because if it was a bug in CoD that caused the errors

It IS a bug in CoD. A bug that only seems to affect certain hardware configurations.

[MBF]

I am very confused how after 7 months they could manage to produce such a shambles.


Completely rewritten render pipeline (link) (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=31759)

That is the main reason.

As to why it performs so bad on your videocard... no idea. Since this beta patch makes the game behave differently in so many areas, I would try resetting the config ini and any specific videocard game profile, if you are using any. IMHO it's worth a shot. Or roll back to the current version and wait for the next patch.

[PotNoodles]

@carguy - You already saw it here>>

>>Most recommended-spec machine will see a roughly double average FPS and a significant reduction in the micro-freezes that had previously plagued the game.<<

Most Pc's? Well my system is much more then the recommended spec and I don't see it. My FPS is more or less the same as it's always been with micro-freezes. But I know people will say it's my Pc and that I'm in the 1% of computers that it's not working for. I really want this game to work as much as anyone else and can only hope the final patch brings some good news.

[l3uLLDoZeR]

Ive been using the Alpha/Beta game for the last 15 months, the alpha/beta patch for the alpha/beta game as made my alpha/beta game worse. My 50% performance increase as not materialised, the particles that they *fixed* still brings my GTx680 card to its knees. I'm still getting CTD's, I've now got pop up clouds, the cockpit as gone all blurry and i can see through my cockpit in certain areas. Stutters low down are worse and the aircraft details have been turned down. I am very confused how after 7 months they could manage to produce such a shambles.


This sums it up! I want to play this game and have fun, but it seems like that might not ever happen. Most of us have been patient waiting for this fix, but really it seems to be in worse shape 7 months later.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

A bug that only seems to affect certain hardware configurations.
Is what I am saying/said.. Glad to see you agree

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Ive been using the Alpha/Beta game for the last 15 months, the alpha/beta patch for the alpha/beta game as made my alpha/beta game worse. My 50% performance increase as not materialised, the particles that they *fixed* still brings my GTx680 card to its knees. I'm still getting CTD's, I've now got pop up clouds, the cockpit as gone all blurry and i can see through my cockpit in certain areas. Stutters low down are worse and the aircraft details have been turned down. I am very confused how after 7 months they could manage to produce such a shambles.
So what part of alpha/beta patch are you still confused about?

It is simple

By DL the alpha/beta patch you are willing to be part of the solution..

The way it works.. If you encounter a problem, send in your log files and your dump files like requested..

If your not able to do that without flying off the handle and acting surprised that a alpha/beta patch has issue..

Than I highly recommend you uninstall the alpha/beta patch and wait for the final release patch..

SAVVY?

[PotNoodles]

So what part of alpha/beta patch are you still confused about?

It is simple

By DL the alpha/beta patch you are willing to be part of the solution..

The way it works.. If you encounter a problem, send in your log files and your dump files like requested..

If your not able to do that without flying off the handle and acting surprised that a alpha/beta patch has issue..

Than I highly recommend you uninstall the alpha/beta patch and wait for the final release patch..

SAVVY?

Well I can tell you what part I'm confused about. When does the alpha/beta patch actually become the final release patch? This time round? The next time? Or maybe the time after that? Is there ever going to be an ending and a finished game?

[CaptainDoggles]

Is what I am saying/said.. Glad to see you agree

All right maybe I misread what you wrote.

[Zaltor]

What kills me is the ammout of work, screenshots etc they were posting of the sequal. Thats what I really think they were working on it wasnt till people said they would not buy the sequal that they started posting more updates about COD.

There is no way what they gave us saturday was 7 months of work. they worked 6 months 2 weeks on the sequal and mabye 2 weeks on COD.

And those that dont like the complaints to bad, everyone on this fourm bought this game and is entitled to there opinions, even if they dont agree with the fan boys. its been a year and a half, time for some results, everytime I see sequal stuff with the game in its current state it pisses me off.

[jibo]

1. it's a ALPHA patch, so please wait for the retail version before going ballistic

2. the truth, yes cod is in bad shape and will remain so, partly because of bad treatments during his infancy, the team is running out of fuel and BoM is the only way to save the company.

3. accept it or leave, no one is happy with it but it's getting utterly tiresome to hear a constant whining, there is snot all over the place.

[Zaltor]

2. the truth, yes cod is in bad shape and will remain so, partly because of bad treatments during his infancy, the team is running out of fuel and BoM is the only way to save the company.



1C makes many other games dont give me that save the company crap.

[AndyJWest]

I see the unfortunate 'turth' is still out there. ;)

Ironic isn't it. I point out an error, the person responsible claims to have fixed it, but the 'bug' remains unrectified... :rolleyes:

[sorak]

The truth is this. Made last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBsFkAP48iI&feature=relmfu

Anything else better? I think not.


Keep up thje excellent work Developers:grin:

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

ahh ahha nice mon

[CWMV]

You know, I wasn't going to say anything but...
All that video does is prove that the Rome Total War soundtrack was awesome.
If all we wanted to do was make movies then sure it would be great.
Wheres the interlude for the launcher crash?

[Tiger27]

It washes just fine.. Because if it was a bug in CoD that caused the errors 'SOME' are seeing then 'EVERYONE' would be experancing the same problems. But not 'EVERYONE' is experancing the same problems, therefore there is some 'SPECIFIC' about those peooples PCs that in conjunction with CoD is causing the problem! That is why the devs decided to release this alpha/beta patch to get feedback (logs and dump files) from those people who are having problems in the hopes that they can change something in CoD to account for those issues those PCs are having

Sorry but this is just not correct, take for example the fact that currently DX9 is not working in this beta, that is not the PC owners fault it is the Devs fault, same goes for most of the long term bugs, they are not PC issues they are bugs, as the game tells people it will work on certain PC types, if this was not the case why are the devs rewriting most of the graphics engine?

I'm not actually complaining about the beta as I will wait for it to go to the final version before giving up on CoD until the next patch, it is just that your comments are incorrect and misleading.

[Fjordmonkey]

You know, with all the ranting etc going on here on these boards, I'd love to see some of the people try to play an MMO, expecially one made by Funcom :P

[Icebear]

I think the best thing 1C can do is convert everything in IL2:1946 to the new Graphics engine and it'll be job done ;)

+1 :grin:

Not everything in IL2 1946 was bad, but CLOD is more than one year after release still a desaster. Reading the "known issues" in the changelog and the BETA PATCH v1.06.17582--Bug thread I lose confidence that they are on top of things. Instead of fighting so many battles at the same time they better return to the roots prior to lose the war.

[Havoc04]

Thxs to the op. Unfortunately I stopped reading when usual few started the slanging matches between them selves. Grow up guys.

[150GCT_Veltro]

With this game looking worse and worse from patch to patch, it's actually encuraging for other companies to get into ww2 combat flight siming.

+ 1

[Wolf_Rider]

Sorry but this is just not correct, take for example the fact that currently DX9 is not working in this beta, that is not the PC owners fault it is the Devs fault, same goes for most of the long term bugs, they are not PC issues they are bugs, as the game tells people it will work on certain PC types, if this was not the case why are the devs rewriting most of the graphics engine?

I'm not actually complaining about the beta as I will wait for it to go to the final version before giving up on CoD until the next patch, it is just that your comments are incorrect and misleading.

1. It says the game will run on certain PC types

2. It is an Alpha patch, not a Beta patch

[Wolf_Rider]

...


I never read anywhere where the Devs said they were releasing it for these reasons.




The main purpose of the alpha is to find and squash any remaining or new bugs, especially crash bugs. The most common of the infamous launcher crashes have been fixed, but a few very hard to catch bugs remain. On average, a full day of flying causes about 0.8 crashes, and our internal testing has not yet provided the crash logs needed to zero in on the issue.

[outer beacon]

Remember this post.. a few years from now.. when you ask yourself why no one is making games (flight sims) for PCs anymore and the only games (flight sims) you can by are for the X-Box and are dumbed down for the X-Box masses

Because it is attitudes like that which will make that day come sooner than later

Sorry? Attitudes like mine will bring about the fall of WWII flight sims on the PC? If that's all it's going to take, then going by what has already been written in 50% of threads on this forum, the genre is doomed already.

I asked a question, a valid one. I think Cliffs of Dover is a brilliant simulator, all I'm saying is it could be so much more if the damn thing worked on the majority of systems. Since release of this 'patch' I have sent 6 CTD reports. I had the same amount of CTDs over a 3 month period previous to the patch. I will continue to send any info the dev team need, so hopefully, one day, I enjoy this sim as it was meant to be.

So, tell me again. Is this evidence of me having a hardware problem (and an attitude problem..) ?

[Opitz]

You guys who lost all critical thinking are just.... it is a waste of time to talk with you.

now customers are getting alpha patch, in first it was patch - epic fail, then two or three BETA patch - epic fail, and now it is ALPHA patch. Next one, if any, will be beta version of ALPHA patch. Afterwards, it will be alpha version of ALPHA patch... welll next-gen sim brings also next-gen kind of patches... The flight sim history in the making!

I have never ever in whole game industry's history saw such mess... In my 20 years of gaming I never saw so many new "terms", new "approaches", new "BS"... I believe that Steam community will never witness worse game than this EVER.

Get used to it. You all were transformed from customers to alpha testers for next sequel. Maybe Luthier should make you special status here, so we all see directly if you are tester, and later they can give you next sequel with discount, or map of Moscow and Luthier's poster with signature for free.

ACE_OF_ACES - you are fun to read, really... Fanatical members of this community are fewer and fewer... You will be the last one, for sure...

Not so funny is how few members here are twisting the meanings of words just to manipulate with people and put some lipstick on the pig, right?

edit. btw. I was shorting banks before the collapse of finance sector in USA and people in discussions were in same state of denial like some of you here... after one year of being told BS, less and less keep this "stock"... of course you are free to believe that same people in charge who caused this mess will find the solution and everything will be fine. Majority just gave up looooong time ago.

[carguy_]

You guys who lost all critical thinking are just.... it is a waste of time to talk with you.
Coming from a person of your attitude, it is a compliment, thank you.


now customers are getting alpha patch, in first it was patch - epic fail, then two or three BETA patch - epic fail, and now it is ALPHA patch. Next one, if any, will be beta version of ALPHA patch. Afterwards, it will be alpha version of ALPHA patch... welll next-gen sim brings also next-gen kind of patches... The flight sim history in the making!
Last time I read there was a vocal minority here that wanted the patch, even the alpha version of it. They got it allright. They found another reasons to complain too.


I have never ever in whole game industry's history saw such mess... In my 20 years of gaming I never saw so many new "terms", new "approaches", new "BS"... I believe that Steam community will never witness worse game than this EVER.
TBH I don`t remember when was the last time I saw such a mess too. But I`m not acting as if it was the end of the world. My advice if you can`t wrap your head around that would be : don`t.


Get used to it. You all were transformed from customers to alpha testers for next sequel. Maybe Luthier should make you special status here, so we all see directly if you are tester, and later they can give you next sequel with discount, or map of Moscow and Luthier's poster with signature for free.
And if this sim ever makes something it was meant to be from the start, you will be thanking those who provided bug reports and constructive critics to help. Because I have yet to understand why you insist on staying here and complaining instead of doing something better with your time.



Not so funny is how few members here are twisting the meanings of words just to manipulate with people and put some lipstick on the pig, right?
It would be good if you provided some examples of that.


edit. btw. I was shorting banks before the collapse of finance sector in USA and people in discussions were in same state of denial like some of you here... after one year of being told BS, less and less keep this "stock"... of course you are free to believe that same people in charge who caused this mess will find the solution and everything will be fine. Majority just gave up looooong time ago.
Comparing collapse of finance sector to a video game development. Nice one. Why don`t you just stick to the "buying a new car" analogy since you repeated it so many times that you have to get it right eventually.

[150GCT_Veltro]

For my opinion this is a dead project. After saturday i give it up. This game after so many months is still too crude and horrible to hope in somenthing more.

I would like only to know what has gone wrong with Storm of War, because it did look much better than this r*****h.
http://c3333424.r24.cf0.rackcdn.com/743404cc3dc387ba37c1adaa2ceb1efcdcdd0734.jpg__0x52 9_q85_upscale.jpg

CoD will not be the new serie for the IL2 community, this for sure.

We'll see in the next two years with Moscow.

[Opitz]

Coming from a person of your attitude, it is a compliment, thank you.


Last time I read there was a vocal minority here that wanted the patch, even the alpha version of it. They got it allright. They found another reasons to complain too.


TBH I don`t remember when was the last time I saw such a mess too. But I`m not acting as if it was the end of the world. My advice if you can`t wrap your head around that would be : don`t.


And if this sim ever makes something it was meant to be from the start, you will be thanking those who provided bug reports and constructive critics to help. Because I have yet to understand why you insist on staying here and complaining instead of doing something better with your time.



It would be good if you provided some examples of that.


Comparing collapse of finance sector to a video game development. Nice one. Why don`t you just stick to the "buying a new car" analogy since you repeated it so many times that you have to get it right eventually.

I will react only to your last reply...

I am not comparing collapse of finance sector and video game dev... I am comparing state of denial of FEW people here, who act on behalf of devs and whole community (cuz "dectractors" are not part of community) and put themselves in the position to judge whats good and whats wrong (for this game, combat sim world, video game industry etc...).

Beta patch is alpha patch. What devs really wanted from their customers - enjoy their game by playing it or to become their alphatesters?

Now all of you play "IL2: AT" game, where AT means ALPHA TESTING... Enjoy it, if you have nothing better to do...

P.S. Don't be angry, because people are fed up with Luthier making them fools once again...

[carguy_]

I am not comparing collapse of finance sector and video game dev... I am comparing state of denial of FEW people here, who act on behalf of devs and whole community (cuz "dectractors" are not part of community) and put themselves in the position to judge whats good and whats wrong (for this game, combat sim world, video game industry etc...).
Borderline comments are on both sides. Hard to say who is reacting to who, but that is certainly the case. It is obvious that there are quite a few ppl that always see the CloD glass half empty and try to impose their views on others (such are also comments accusing others of being in denial). Other people find this a reason to post something positive about the situation.

IMO whatever you are - a negative or positive person - you are part of this community. Even those who did not buy the game yet, but are lurking to find it in a fixed state.


Beta patch is alpha patch. What devs really wanted from their customers - enjoy their game by playing it or to become their alphatesters?
TBH I do not know why devs released it. They said multiple times before that they want to release the ready version. Why the shift of decisions it is not up to me to answer this. Maybe as BlackSix put it, they want to widen the testing crowd. My guess is they are unable to tell by themselves if the patch is ready or not. Anyway, if I had time to test it , I would. Out of pure will to help. I don`t see nothing wrong with that.


Now all of you play "IL2: AT" game, where AT means ALPHA TESTING... Enjoy it, if you have nothing better to do...
Well, I took my part in testing RCs back in the IL2 days when it was simple enough. Since Steam entered the scene, I don`t really think it is worth the effort and risking of being banned. Although I can see other ppl are willing to help. There were many requests for releasing the beta patch.


P.S. Don't be angry, because people are fed up with Luthier making them fools once again...
What constructive input can come from people being fed up about it?

[fruitbat]

pre patch,

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/thefruitbat1/cockpitprepatch.jpg

post patch,

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/thefruitbat1/cockpitpatch.jpg

[Ataros]

Guys, if you read the patch notes the purpose of this alpha-release is not to make our flying more comfortable or enjoyable but to collect crash-logs and crash-dump files. CTDs of different nature (and specific to user hardware) are hunted and fixed one-by-one as goes from naryv's comment @sukhoi.ru I refer to here http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=31835

They reworked the core of the engine (multi-threading, etc.) that took probably 4-5 months and only now they will start fixing bugs with our feedback. Disappointing ATM because of a long wait but still very promising.

Send crash-reports and logs, post issues at bugtracker and vote for them. It will take time to fix them but the progress is visible if you read the link above.

Please vote to get high-res cockpits back here http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/246

[Opitz]

Guys, if you read the patch notes the purpose of this alpha-release is not to make our flying more comfortable or enjoyable but to collect crash-logs and crash-dump files. CTDs of different nature (and specific to user hardware) are hunted and fixed one-by-one as goes from naryv's comment @sukhoi.ru I refer to here http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=31835

They reworked the core of the engine (multi-threading, etc.) that took probably 4-5 months and only now they will start fixing bugs with our feedback. Disappointing ATM because of a long wait but still very promising.

Send crash-reports and logs, post issues at bugtracker and vote for them. It will take time to fix them but the progress is visible if you read the link above.

now I've got it.... we talk about BETA PATCH all the time, just this release was ALPHA version of future BETA PATCH!!!

finally understood... thanks, mate!

[Mysticpuma]

pre patch,

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/thefruitbat1/cockpitprepatch.jpg

post patch,

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/thefruitbat1/cockpitpatch.jpg


Wow, that really is a big difference. The textures are very soft in comparison!

I'm just checking out the on the lettering on the dials and also the top of the control column. That's a big difference in definition!

It seems that to increase the frame-rate they have decided to remove all the beauty, like clouds, grass, textures....so removing 50% of the items it came with should increase the frame-rate by 50%?

Not the best way of fixing it surely?

MP

(Still living in hope!)

[150GCT_Veltro]

I've myself a positive and constructive feedback after this patch. We are not so stupid Luthier, you can jokes us in this bad way. Give it up guys......

You're working on Moscow, period. CoD has ben dropped, or cancelled in your minds.

This would be more honest than persist to provide us this shame. After 13 months, what you guys have show us now doesn't have anymore any sort of explanations and/or excuses.

Good luck for Moscow.

[SNAFU]

Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate! :evil: .... ;)

[Ataros]

I've myself a positive and constructive feedback after this patch. We are not so stupid Luthier, you can jokes us in this bad way. Give it up guys......

You're working on Moscow, period. CoD has ben dropped, or cancelled in your minds.

This would be more honest than persist to provide us this shame. After 13 months, what you guys have show us now doesn't have anymore any sort of explanations and/or excuses.

Good luck for Moscow.

CloD engine = BoM engine

[Ataros]

Please vote to get high-res cockpits back here http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/246

[fruitbat]

voted.

[PotNoodles]

Last time I read there was a vocal minority here that wanted the patch, even the alpha version of it. They got it allright. They found another reasons to complain too.
.

They have found many reasons to complain because they have been told week in and week out what has supposed to of been fixed in terms of bugs. Just before the release of the patch Blacksix, reported a small list of bugs that still remained. However, we still got exited just to read that the FPS had double for most Pc's and that the CTD had almost been eliminated. Now all of a sudden we find we are beta/alpha testers again because the Devs have handed use a patch that hasn't really fixed the CTD, or doubled Fps. Please don't tell me it's because of a vocal minority they released the patch when it was only the other week that Blacksix said they wouldn't release a patch until it did what it said on the tin. They have released it because they realize now they need more testers to find the bugs, it's nothing to do with anyone demanding the patch. Maybe they should have released it sooner and they would have had the bug report quicker if anything.

Many weeks of thinking this is getting fixed and that is getting fix, judging by the reports coming out. Then we find out these things are the same and even worse for many when the patch finally arrives. I wonder why people moan I really do.

[Buchon]

pre patch,

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/thefruitbat1/cockpitprepatch.jpg

post patch,

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/thefruitbat1/cockpitpatch.jpg

This post would be more useful in the bugs thread than in a Trolling thread fruitbat. ;-)



BTW, for the "audience", they did not remove the textures to improve the performance, how this can even be true if the textures are there in the 70 FOV view ?

The textures still there even in the 90 FOV, if you use the offset button and move forward the mouse they will be visible :

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/7708/534s.jpg

The problem its just that the range of the new texture manager is to short in cockpit view while you are using the 90 FOV.

This make me wonder even if our "beloved audience" have played the game or just go here to throw his "invaluable comments".

[fruitbat]

This post would be more useful in the bugs thread than in a Trolling thread fruitbat. ;-)





Done Buchon;)

[vpmedia]

both images got a bit purple coloring, the 2nd lost its sharpness

[Icebear]

CloD engine = BoM engine

This is the only fact that makes me still believe in CLOD. ;)

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Well I can tell you what part I'm confused about. When does the alpha/beta patch actually become the final release patch? This time round? The next time? Or maybe the time after that? Is there ever going to be an ending and a finished game?
Still confused?

Allow me to make an analogy here..

What your asking them to do is tell us now, how lost their car keys are before they found their car keys

Problem is you don't know how lost your car keys are until you find your car keys

For example..

CASE 1) I lost my car keys once and I went looking for them.. I found them 5 min later upstairs on my desk, at which point I realized I left them there yesterday when I was getting my thumb drive out of my pocket.

CASE 2) I lost my car keys once and I went looking for them.. I found them 6 months later on the ground outside once the snow melted, at which point I realized I must have dropped them when getting out of the car in the snow.

The last thing we want the programer to do is spend 'time' donig a write up AFTER he finds his keys telling us, in great detail, about all the places he looked for his keys before he found his keys! What we do want the programer to do is move onto the next bug as soon as he finds his keys

Long story short, it will be done when it is done.

[adonys]

now guys.. really.. had this patch left you the impression that it was in an "almost ready to release" state for a few weeks?!!

because for me, those words are simply lies, considering the state of the patch.

I'm sorry, but this is the hard truth, which actually hurts more than the state of the patch itself. because it means there's no trust to be put anymore in the words of the developers :(

PS: I've posted this in some other thread, but actually it fits better in here

[Ataros]

now guys.. really.. had this patch left you the impression that it was in an "almost ready to release" state for a few weeks?!!

because for me, those words are simply lies, considering the state of the patch.

I'm sorry, but this is the hard truth, which actually hurts more than the state of the patch itself. because it means there's no trust to be put anymore in the words of the developers :(

PS: I've posted this in some other thread, but actually it fits better in here
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=421097&postcount=17

[ACE-OF-ACES]

because for me, those words are simply lies, considering the state of the patch.
And above is a perfect example of someone that is part of the problem.

Calling the devs liars because you don't understand software development is not helping the situation. Download the alpha/beta patch, run it, when you encounter an error, send in the log and dump files. It is that easy! If you are not capable of doing that without having a hissyfit break down, than wait for the final patch.

[Meusli]

now guys.. really.. had this patch left you the impression that it was in an "almost ready to release" state for a few weeks?!!

because for me, those words are simply lies, considering the state of the patch.

I'm sorry, but this is the hard truth, which actually hurts more than the state of the patch itself. because it means there's no trust to be put anymore in the words of the developers :(

PS: I've posted this in some other thread, but actually it fits better in here

This is an ALPHA patch.

[carguy_]

because for me, those words are simply lies, considering the state of the patch.

I'm sorry, but this is the hard truth, which actually hurts more than the state of the patch itself. because it means there's no trust to be put anymore in the words of the developers :(

Ah yes, finally something new from the user.


NOT:rolleyes:

[Fjordmonkey]

Meh, again I take the patience-approach. I don't care how long it takes for the patch to come out, as long as it fixes some of the issues. Until then, I'll quietly test it and report to 1C any issues I have.

I'm amazed by the behavior of some people here, and in the sometimes dire lack of reading-comprehension. Instead of railing on the devs like a cracked record, accept that it is what it currently is, and either join in on the testing to better the product, or clap that gob shut.

[PotNoodles]

Still confused?

Allow me to make an analogy here..

What your asking them to do is tell us now, how lost their car keys are before they found their car keys

Problem is you don't know how lost your car keys are until you find your car keys

For example..



The last thing we want the programer to do is spend 'time' donig a write up AFTER he finds his keys telling us, in great detail, about all the places he looked for his keys before he found his keys! What we do want the programer to do is move onto the next bug as soon as he finds his keys

Long story short, it will be done when it is done.

What you talk about here is something you yourself have lost. You are the one responsible for losing your keys. I am talking about purchasing a product and wanting to know when the product I purchased will be fixed? .

I purchase a car and find a fault with it. I take it to the garage i bought it from and they tell me they will repair it within a week or so. A week later I am one happy customer because I will have the car back and rightly so they have fixed it. Now if they told me they will fix it, but that it was going to be upto a year later and beyond, then I would be pretty peed off. The other thing to look at is if this was a car and was a wide spread fault the manufacturer would recall them all.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Who told you it was an Alpha patch?
It might help if you actually read what BlackSix wrote.. allow me to quote him below

BETA PATCH v1.06.17582 - May 05, 2012
The patch is ready! What we have today is a DX10-only alpha. DX9 support is specifically removed. If you are running DX9, do not apply the patch!

The main purpose of the alpha is to find and squash any remaining or new bugs, especially crash bugs. The most common of the infamous launcher crashes have been fixed, but a few very hard to catch bugs remain. On average, a full day of flying causes about 0.8 crashes, and our internal testing has not yet provided the crash logs needed to zero in on the issue.

Please enable logging in your conf.ini (Log=1). If the game crashes, send us your log as well as any crash dump files created in the cppdump folder in the main game installation.
note the word 'alpha' in the first line AND second line

Does this help clear up your confusion of the state/status of this patch?

Hope so! But if you forget anytime in the near future, I updated my sig for you and yours

[GraveyardJimmy]

Who told you it was an Alpha patch?

The devs. In the patch thread it says it is a DX10 ALPHA

[ACE-OF-ACES]

What you talk about here is something you yourself have lost.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/analogy

[PotNoodles]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/analogy

Sorry, I still don't get what losing keys has to do with me purchasing a game and it still been broken a year on. I don't see anything in the key analogy to compare.

[CaptainDoggles]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/analogy

I think he understands what an analogy is. He's saying your analogy is not apt.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Sorry, I still don't get what losing keys has to do with me purchasing a game and it still been broken a year on. I don't see anything in the key analogy to compare.
Well I tried.. Sorry you don't get it

[PotNoodles]

Well I tried.. Sorry you don't get it

It's just losing something through your own fault and purchasing something and finding out it is broken through no fault of your own are two different things to me. Anyways, I will reserve any final thoughts until the steam release.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

It's just losing something through your own fault and purchasing something and finding out it is broken through no fault of your own are two different things to me. Anyways, I will reserve any final judgment until the steam release.
Well you might get it if you stick to one thing at a time..

Note my analogy was not in responce to your question of 'fault'..

My analogy was in resonce to you 'wondering why' the devs can NOT give us a specific date and time that the patch will be done.

Two very different things!

But seeing how you jump around topic wise I can understand now why you didn't get it.

[Ataros]

Well I can tell you what part I'm confused about. When does the alpha/beta patch actually become the final release patch? This time round? The next time? Or maybe the time after that? Is there ever going to be an ending and a finished game?

No one knows if the game will be good enough to suit everyones needs one day or it will be shut down next month. But we can hope and help the devs if we want or switch to other things if we do not want to help.

There are no better developers in Russia (or too few of them). You may try to persuade Activision or EA to create a WWII flightsim if you think it is a very profitable business.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

lol, look at the title of thread it says " BETA PATCH v1.06.17582 - May 05, 2012"

What part of 'BETA PATCH' do you not understand??
I will put it in my sig to help you.
Tree..

you can spin it any way you want to but it will not change the fact that you did not read BS post to note that he refered to the patch TWICE as a ALPHA patch

Which speaks volumns about all your post wrt to the patch

[CaptainDoggles]

You may try to persuade Activision or EA to create a WWII flightsim if you think it is a very profitable business.

Oh god.... could you imagine how awful an Activision or EA flight sim would be?

Base game: $59.99

On launch day, DLC comes out for $19.99 and features the Spitfire Mk.IIa and the Bf-109E-4. Of course, those aircraft are already in the game, and the 20 dollar fee is just to unlock them.

The game will have a draconian DRM restriction, meaning you can only install the game 3 times before it locks you out. Also, it won't work for a lot of people, and they will get locked out of their game for no reason.

Then, 2 years later, they shut down the game because it's "too expensive to support" and you'll just have to fork out another 60 dollars for Cliffs of Dover 2, with the same aircraft and same map, but slightly better graphics.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Its just dawning on you isn't it, just maybe theres a chance that they are just making it up as they go along?
Hardly

On that note, please don't get mad at me for pointing out to you where 1C stated the patch is an 'alpha' patch

Remember

YOU ASKED US WHERE IT STATED THAT

You got your answer, now your upset? Please

[MBF]

Its just dawning on you isn't it, just maybe theres a chance that they are just making it up as they go along? if you look at the thread you will see i posted only a minute or two after the thread went up, now look and see that the thread as been edited, I saw no mention of Alha when the thread went live.

Regardless of what you want to call it, it is pretty obvious that it is not a release candidate version.

Alpha usually means there is stuff not yet incorporated (seems fitting), beta usually means all the stuff (or almost all of it) is there, but lacks polishing/testing. There is no standard convention for these terms, so everone uses them a bit differently.

Most importantly, they can name it whatever they want, it doesn't change the fact that it is not ready for prime time yet, as they stated in the post.

[Meusli]

Also they are Russian so jumping on their every little word as truth is a little bit disingenuous, but that has never bothered you.

[Ataros]

Oh god.... could you imagine how awful an Activision or EA flight sim would be?

Base game: $59.99

On launch day, DLC comes out for $19.99 and features the Spitfire Mk.IIa and the Bf-109E-4. Of course, those aircraft are already in the game, and the 20 dollar fee is just to unlock them.

The game will have a draconian DRM restriction, meaning you can only install the game 3 times before it locks you out. Also, it won't work for a lot of people, and they will get locked out of their game for no reason.

Then, 2 years later, they shut down the game because it's "too expensive to support" and you'll just have to fork out another 60 dollars for Cliffs of Dover 2, with the same aircraft and same map, but slightly better graphics.

Isn't it the best way to stay in game business, get AAA-rated magazine reviews and happy customers nowadays? Maybe they buy UBI together with 1C one day when the next wave of economic crisis strikes.

[JG52Krupi]

lol, look at the title of thread it says " BETA PATCH v1.06.17582 - May 05, 2012"

What part of 'BETA PATCH' do you not understand??
I will put it in my sig to help you.

The part where its called an Alpha by B6, isnt that so hard to understand?

I might be a d*** and put it in my sig too... :rolleyes:

[JG52Krupi]

Re-read the thread, there was no mention of Alpha when the patch was first posted to my recollection. I was one of the first to download it, If it was Alpha when released the thread would read ALPHA PATCH not BETA PATCH... not hard to understand is it really? but you cant edit a thread title can you?

The main purpose of the alpha is to find and squash any remaining or new bugs, especially crash bugs. The most common of the infamous launcher crashes have been fixed, but a few very hard to catch bugs remain. On average, a full day of flying causes about 0.8 crashes, and our internal testing has not yet provided the crash logs needed to zero in on the issue.

Is that good enough for you?

[159th_Jester]

Tree, I saw B6's post very shortly after it went up as well. It always said alpha patch in the message body even though the title says beta.

I'd say the mis-match is one of two things: Either simply down to B6 not being a native English speaker or they left the title as beta patch since that's how it's been referred to for months.

The edits in that post are the added download mirrors. In this instance, I'm afraid you're reading too much into this.

[simace]

gtfo seriously beta or alpha or WHATEVER YOU PANZ want to call it, THE MATTER OF FACT IS we all know its a work in progress and will come with warts....get outside some, my gosh, come back later when it's "better"...sigh

[ACE-OF-ACES]

gtfo seriously beta or alpha or WHATEVER YOU PANZ want to call it, THE MATTER OF FACT IS we all know its a work in progress and will come with warts....get outside some, my gosh, come back later when it's "better"...sigh
Exactly

But that truth does not fit into Tree's story line thus he has to 'spin' it to make it fit..

At which point you have to ask yourself which is more believable

That BlackSix edited his initial post today to include updated info and new download links.. Or Tree's conspiracy theory that BlackSix edited his post today to include the words 'alpha' just to stick it to Tree in this separate thread

I think most will agree that BlackSix has better things to do than worry about discrediting Tree's post, Especially in light of Tree doing a find job all by himself ;)

[cebit]

Post was edited for adding links, as when i downloaded there was only 2 to choose from.

Not that it really matters tbh.
People who want to help out as much possible to get our sim up and running ASAP will do so.
For those who only want to troll and trow crap at it there will only be a reason, bug or feature not to their liking to get hung up on.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Tree, I saw B6's post very shortly after it went up as well. It always said alpha patch in the message body even though the title says beta.

I'd say the mis-match is one of two things: Either simply down to B6 not being a native English speaker or they left the title as beta patch since that's how it's been referred to for months.

The edits in that post are the added download mirrors.
I can also confirm that at the time I posted BS post refered to the patch as 'alpha' twice

In this instance, I'm afraid you're reading too much into this.
Or in his case reading too little ;)

[Robert]

Its just dawning on you isn't it, just maybe theres a chance that they are just making it up as they go along? if you look at the thread you will see i posted only a minute or two after the thread went up, now look and see that the thread as been edited, I saw no mention of Alha when the thread went live.




I have no reason to lie to you, Tree. I usually don't get involved with these pissing matches because I think they are fruitless and forge bad feelings. BUT, the body of the original post by Black Six has always said Alpha. In the original post there was only two DL links for the international patch, now there are three.

[JG5_emil]

seriously even if it had said Alpha no one can say they wouldn't have downloaded it would they? I sure would have.

I dont see the fuss anyone can roll back to the last release if they want...or they could play a few games of the 'alpha' and send in a crashdump or observations. After all this is why they released the patch in the first place.

[outer beacon]

I also read 'alpha' in BS's initial post, very soon after it went up.

[KG26_Alpha]

I could change it to read Alpha instead of Beta

But where's the fun in that............ watching the usual suspects struggling to find some leg room to swing thier boot and give the devs a kicking is funny.

Keep it up the entertainments great and I'm sure the rest of the community appreciates it too.

:grin:



.

[CaptainDoggles]

there was no mention of Alpha when the patch was first posted to my recollectionNobody cares if you're bad at reading or not.

It's an alpha patch.

[Flanker35M]

S!

I just posted bugs in bugtracker in hope to assist in finalizing the patch in some way :) It brought some new good things, broke some but such it is with alpha/beta.

[MadTommy]

1. it's a ALPHA patch, so please wait for the retail version before going ballistic

2. the truth, yes cod is in bad shape and will remain so, partly because of bad treatments during his infancy, the team is running out of fuel and BoM is the only way to save the company.

3. accept it or leave, no one is happy with it but it's getting utterly tiresome to hear a constant whining, there is snot all over the place.

Very well said on points 2 & 3..after a year being patience i'm feed up. Personally I've never really had bad fps, but all the other bugs and problems and missing features have left me exasperated.

Progress feels like they have one over worked novice working on it in a basement without ventilation.

On point 1, i kept on hearing 'we won't release a patch until its right' type rhetoric, and what do we get.. an alpha patch.. all i can say to that is FFS!

I uninstalled the game yesterday.. if i had a disk of CloD i'd snap it. I'll return in 6 months.. but i won't expect anything.

Bye.

[JG52Krupi]

Well Alpha or beta, its still a patch that as broken as much as its fixed like all previous patches, very shoddy work.

I don't think you understand what this patch is for Tree, that or your just being an awkward g**.

[David Hayward]

Tree_UK, it is not the fault of the dev team that you don't understand the purpose of a public beta test.

[SiThSpAwN]

Well Alpha or beta, its still a patch that as broken as much as its fixed like all previous patches, very shoddy work.

Works pretty good for me...

[Lensman_1]

Tree_UK, it is not the fault of the dev team that you don't understand the purpose of a public beta test.

Firstly, you know what? Over the last year I've seen Tree_UK do little but state the facts, accurate facts, he's nearly always proved correct eventually and yet nonetheless there's a high number of forum members who consistently attempt to undermine him and ridicule him. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Secondly, I'm almost certainly about to get banned and I really don't care because for once I'M about to tell it how it really is.

I've been a passionate devotee of the IL-2 series since the beginning over a decade ago. I've purchased every iteration, run the software on 3 different PCs, bought Track-IR, CH-Products rudder pedals and throttle and cherish my original MS Sidewinder FF stick that has been with me all that time and flown all my simulated aircraft. I've been fully committed! I watched the progress of COD (or Battle Of Britain as it was originally known) from the earliest hints of it being worked on, I valued the DVD clips in the IL-2 1946 package, I trawled the web to find updates, I had an order in place with Play.com (UK) for YEARS (literally). When the sim was finally announced I placed an order for 2 Collector's Editions at once with UBISHOP and, despite the curious lack of revealing demo clips available on the web (odd that eh?) I still couldn't wait. I bought 2 GTX-580 gpus to run COD in the promised SLI and the promised DX-11. I was a full on fan and supporter of Oleg Maddox and his astonishing project that after so many years of development was PROMISED by 1C to be a new era in personal combat flight simulation. Then the game was released and immediately there was trouble. The epilepsy filter, the defects, the lack of SLI, the lack of DX-11, the lack of campaign mode, the appalling frame rate ... as has since been fully acknowledged by the development team the application was pushed out unfinished and in a terrible state. It was nowhere near a saleable commodity, they HAD to release it to recoup funds to continue and (as they promised) quickly fix all the issues.

Many of us felt cheated by that approach because it was obviously a con. They insisted prior to release that all was well, even after release they kept quiet about the problems until forced into a corner. It's no coincidence that the only real admission of the truth of the situation was AFTER the USA release when a lot more people had been conned and a lot more money brought into the 1C (and their backers') account.

Then they made a clean start, admitted what had happened, promised to fix it fast and asked us to please stick around and let them justify our trust and our investment. That, for the moment, appealed to me and I did indeed stick around but I didn't contribute to this forum because I wanted to wait and see what happened. Please bear in mind that in the good old days of 2001 to 2005 I was very active on the IL-2 forum and you can still see my posts there. I never courted controversy and I was never banned or warned by the moderators.

So ... in the last year what has happened?
Well, this forum is now effectively a fascist state. The moderators are completely intolerant of any legitimate criticism of the parlous state of COD and ban contributors who have PAID THEIR SALARY (if they're not volunteers) and those of the dev team. I've never seem an online community so denied free speech, democracy is NOT thriving here. This does noone any good. In that time we've also had several patches, I've applied them all, that have made minor incremental changes to aspects of the sim and virtually no improvements to the underlying issues that matter, that actually affect the immersive experience of flying an aircraft in combat. Then we got to the beyond surreal point where having not even vaguely completed the application that we've all paid a considerable amount of money for and which a year ago we got a solemn promise from the team that they wouldn't rest until our investment was justified and they'd finished the game, we're told that they're working on a SEQUEL, that we'll be expected to pay for and we'd have to wait for the engine being used for that to be completed so it can be plugged into COD. The smell of rat was getting strong now.
Even then I was patient, I believed them still, I awaited the uber-patch with great interest, I genuinely believed that they could do it. Then they kept us waiting and waiting. Weeks went into months. Then there was the propoganda of it being nearly finished and producing AMAZING results that would TRANSFORM the game's playability and quality ... oh, but then that code turned out to be full of defects and actually not quite ready for release after all despite being only hours away when last they mentioned it. THEN they released the latest patch, the one that we'd been told would only be released when it was actually going to REALLY improve the application, REALLY improve the gameplay, the graphics, the sound, the framerate ... Well it didin't did it ... it made things worse mostly and that's after they'd turned OFF some graphic features to save resource.

So, David Hayward, do YOU actually understand the purpose of a public beta test? Do you realize that a beta test is supposed to be of finished, bullet proof software? That you only release it because you're certain it's the finished product BUT you want one last mass test under real world conditions to check before GUARANTEEING it's worth? I don't think that you DO understand that and I'm CERTAIN that's not what happened here. This was mid development software released under duress and it's nowhere near ready for use by the end users.

In conclusion. We were conned. We are STILL being conned. They will NOT fix this application. Do NOT fall into the trap again and purchase the so called sequel. Open your eyes people, the game is over!

I fully expect to be banned for offering this truthful and non-troll opinion. As I said, I care passionately about the IL-2 series, and I've waited a LONG time before speaking my mind but this has now got patently obviously RIDICULOUS!

Goodbye all and good luck. See you in the ROF skies I hope.

Best wishes
Phil

[SiThSpAwN]

We are in Alpha of the Beta Patch for the graphics engine...

Alpha Test - A trial of machinery, software, or other products carried out by a developer before a product is made available for beta testing

Beta Test - A trial of machinery, software, or other products, in the final stages of its development, carried out by a party unconnected with its development

[David Hayward]

blah...blah...blah...

So, David Hayward, do YOU actually understand the purpose of a public beta test? Do you realize that a beta test is supposed to be of finished, bullet proof software?

blah...blah...blah...


If they thought it was a finished bullet proof product they would have released the patch. A public beta test is released so that the community can help find bugs. If you don't want to help find bugs you should not install a beta patch.

Bye!

[Fjordmonkey]

@Lensman_1: Asking for freedom of speech and democracy on a privately owned Internet-forum is like taking a piss in your pants during winter to stay warm. I.e. completely idiotic. It's their rules, their way, ALL the way. Technically you do have freedom of speech here, but then again, what you don't have here as in the real world is freedom from consequence.

Apart from that, you're not alone in supporting the company with procurements. You're not alone in being a fan. However, some of us have infinite amounts of patience, while others have not. And even those of us that doesn't have an infinite amount of patience (and there's a few of them), quite a few of those still at least try to contribute in a meaningful manner. The rest of the rabble are merely posting the same whines and rants over and over again. And some of the denizens of this plane of existence has taken to refuting those rants and whines as best as they can.

So you made a bad call in buying a game unseen and without knowing how it was beforehand like so many of us. Sorry, but the cake is still on your face much like it is on ours. You, like the rest of us, might have quacked up on that one, but stuff like that happens when we're blind to the dangers and blinded by both the hype and our own expectations.

Many of us will buy the sequel for the same reason as why we bought CLoD. We want a good WW2-flight/combatSIM, and this is the best shot at actually getting one. Sure, there's other WW2-flightgames out there, but none of those are even remotely worth calling a simulator in any way, shape or form.

[David Hayward]

By the way, Lensman_1's meltdown is an excellent example of why public beta testing is a risky proposition for a dev team.

[addman]

Firstly, you know what? Over the last year I've seen Tree_UK do little but state the facts, accurate facts, he's nearly always proved correct eventually and yet nonetheless there's a high number of forum members who consistently attempt to undermine him and ridicule him. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Secondly, I'm almost certainly about to get banned and I really don't care because for once I'M about to tell it how it really is.

I've been a passionate devotee of the IL-2 series since the beginning over a decade ago. I've purchased every iteration, run the software on 3 different PCs, bought Track-IR, CH-Products rudder pedals and throttle and cherish my original MS Sidewinder FF stick that has been with me all that time and flown all my simulated aircraft. I've been fully committed! I watched the progress of COD (or Battle Of Britain as it was originally known) from the earliest hints of it being worked on, I valued the DVD clips in the IL-2 1946 package, I trawled the web to find updates, I had an order in place with Play.com (UK) for YEARS (literally). When the sim was finally announced I placed an order for 2 Collector's Editions at once with UBISHOP and, despite the curious lack of revealing demo clips available on the web (odd that eh?) I still couldn't wait. I bought 2 GTX-580 gpus to run COD in the promised SLI and the promised DX-11. I was a full on fan and supporter of Oleg Maddox and his astonishing project that after so many years of development was PROMISED by 1C to be a new era in personal combat flight simulation. Then the game was released and immediately there was trouble. The epilepsy filter, the defects, the lack of SLI, the lack of DX-11, the lack of campaign mode, the appalling frame rate ... as has since been fully acknowledged by the development team the application was pushed out unfinished and in a terrible state. It was nowhere near a saleable commodity, they HAD to release it to recoup funds to continue and (as they promised) quickly fix all the issues.

Many of us felt cheated by that approach because it was obviously a con. They insisted prior to release that all was well, even after release they kept quiet about the problems until forced into a corner. It's no coincidence that the only real admission of the truth of the situation was AFTER the USA release when a lot more people had been conned and a lot more money brought into the 1C (and their backers') account.

Then they made a clean start, admitted what had happened, promised to fix it fast and asked us to please stick around and let them justify our trust and our investment. That, for the moment, appealed to me and I did indeed stick around but I didn't contribute to this forum because I wanted to wait and see what happened. Please bear in mind that in the good old days of 2001 to 2005 I was very active on the IL-2 forum and you can still see my posts there. I never courted controversy and I was never banned or warned by the moderators.

So ... in the last year what has happened?
Well, this forum is now effectively a fascist state. The moderators are completely intolerant of any legitimate criticism of the parlous state of COD and ban contributors who have PAID THEIR SALARY (if they're not volunteers) and those of the dev team. I've never seem an online community so denied free speech, democracy is NOT thriving here. This does noone any good. In that time we've also had several patches, I've applied them all, that have made minor incremental changes to aspects of the sim and virtually no improvements to the underlying issues that matter, that actually affect the immersive experience of flying an aircraft in combat. Then we got to the beyond surreal point where having not even vaguely completed the application that we've all paid a considerable amount of money for and which a year ago we got a solemn promise from the team that they wouldn't rest until our investment was justified and they'd finished the game, we're told that they're working on a SEQUEL, that we'll be expected to pay for and we'd have to wait for the engine being used for that to be completed so it can be plugged into COD. The smell of rat was getting strong now.
Even then I was patient, I believed them still, I awaited the uber-patch with great interest, I genuinely believed that they could do it. Then they kept us waiting and waiting. Weeks went into months. Then there was the propoganda of it being nearly finished and producing AMAZING results that would TRANSFORM the game's playability and quality ... oh, but then that code turned out to be full of defects and actually not quite ready for release after all despite being only hours away when last they mentioned it. THEN they released the latest patch, the one that we'd been told would only be released when it was actually going to REALLY improve the application, REALLY improve the gameplay, the graphics, the sound, the framerate ... Well it didin't did it ... it made things worse mostly and that's after they'd turned OFF some graphic features to save resource.

So, David Hayward, do YOU actually understand the purpose of a public beta test? Do you realize that a beta test is supposed to be of finished, bullet proof software? That you only release it because you're certain it's the finished product BUT you want one last mass test under real world conditions to check before GUARANTEEING it's worth? I don't think that you DO understand that and I'm CERTAIN that's not what happened here. This was mid development software released under duress and it's nowhere near ready for use by the end users.

In conclusion. We were conned. We are STILL being conned. They will NOT fix this application. Do NOT fall into the trap again and purchase the so called sequel. Open your eyes people, the game is over!

I fully expect to be banned for offering this truthful and non-troll opinion. As I said, I care passionately about the IL-2 series, and I've waited a LONG time before speaking my mind but this has now got patently obviously RIDICULOUS!

Goodbye all and good luck. See you in the ROF skies I hope.

Best wishes
Phil

+1 Phil. Look at that everybody a community member that's been around for while and doesn't trash post all the time, offering his opinion of the state of CloD, this my friend is one of the "silent majority" that people like to talk about.

Don't worry Phil, if they release BoM it will totally bomb because nobody except a handful of deluded fanatics will buy it. If you'd asked me 6 months ago or so if I cared about the success of this new series I would've said "YES" hesitantly, ask me today I would simply answer I DON'T REALLY CARE ANYMORE. The devs are full of it and 1c is full of it. I will care again if some other developer takes over or start a new flight combat series (highly unlikely but I can live with those odds).

The devs actually reminds me of a certain type of firecrackers that we had when where kids. These "special" firecrackers were cheap but they didn't go off sometimes, sometimes the fuse would burn all the way down but they still wouldn't explode. Sometimes the fuse would burn out so quickly we didn't have time to throw them away and they'd go off in our hands, ouch! Some of them had fuses that wouldn't even burn. We called these firecrackers "Russians"......

[David Hayward]

Meltdown? I would bet he speaks for a lot of people on this forum.

Epic meltdown. If he's speaking for you, I assume you're also leaving?

[Pudfark]

.....+1



I'm sure others could

[David Hayward]

good luck buddy, always great to see that someone else can see through all the BS.

And yet you're still here...

[David Hayward]

You should be so lucky.

Apparently he doesn't speak for you after all...

[David Hayward]

In conclusion. We were conned. We are STILL being conned. They will NOT fix this application. Do NOT fall into the trap again and purchase the so called sequel. Open your eyes people, the game is over!


This is my favorite part of his meltdown. Does he seriously think that anyone in here will buy the sequel if they can't get CoD working?

[Fjordmonkey]

This is my favorite part of his meltdown. Does he seriously think that anyone in here will buy the sequel if they can't get CoD working?

I actually would, but ONLY after the sequel had proven that it works and is a far more complete product that CLoD. Unless I got such a confirmation, I won't touch it.

[Pudfark]

Everybody is certain that you will David

[David Hayward]

Everybody is certain that you will David

Yeah, no doubt. I wonder how many of them pre-ordered CoD?

PS. I did NOT pre-order CoD.

[Fjordmonkey]

14 months after release and you still think they will get this junk working?

To be honest, Tree, I don't really care all that much. If it's fixed, well, then it's fixed. Cool, swell, spiffy, awesome and whatnots. If not, I'll rack CLoD up in the column specially annotated for bad purchases/bad choices, and move on from there. Just like I've done with a few other things that turned out disappointing in my life.

While that will probably seem like a completely alien thought to you and some other fellows here, that's how I deal with these things. I'll wipe my shoe clean and walk happily off into the sunset.

Besides, Tree, I have nearly limitless amounts of patience. I work as a Server-admin for a major telecommunications-company here in Scandinavia, and dealing with this is extremely insignificant in comparison to the patience I have to exhibit at work when dealing with people at work.

[David Hayward]

14 months after release and you still think they will get this junk working?

Why are you here if you think they'll never fix it?

[addman]

Why are you here if you think they'll never fix it?

http://chicksinthehuddle.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/south-park-dead-horse.jpg

[David Hayward]

addman, he killed the horse long ago. It's time to move on.

I'm certainly not planning to hang around here if I decide the game can't be saved.

[d.burnette]

Well as for myself, my wait has not been quite as long as many of you.
I was heavily into IL2, first with FB, then with the AEP followed by PF. Then eventually I got 1946 to make it easier to have it all together. Most of my flying was done offline, but man did I ever have many, many enjoyable hours with it. I remember quite well, it was the reason I purchased Track IR - never will forget that first flight in IL2 with my new Track IR device...

I followed the development of the sequeal with great anticipation. Then time kept going by and going by, and nothing. Then a change of my position at work took me away from simming much for a while. Then I got more back into it, and started checking out what then was knows as CLOD. This was after the Russian release but before the release in the states.

After reading up on the forums, I decided to hold off. Then after the release here in the states, and reading up some more, I decided to hold off longer. Then about 7-8 weeks ago, reading about this new patch, I decided to go ahead and pull the trigger and purchased it through Steam. The first couple of weeks I spent off and on mapping my controls, building a joystick file for it , for my Cougar HOTAS. I have only flown about 3 hours in it, mainly in the quick missions, then I decided to hold off and wait for this new patch. Performance was "ok", but I decided to just wait and see what the patch brings before really getting into it heavily.

I can certainly understand the frustration many must be feeling. I have to admit, after seeing an update a couple of weeks ago, I fully expected the patch that would be released , to be much further along than apparently what it is now, based on what I have read here. I myself, just do not have the time to spare to go through the efforts of testing this alpha patch release and providing the feedback to help, if I did I certainly would. But it will remain in a holding pattern for me, until probably it is an official patch updated through Steam.

I really don't view it as I have anything to lose. I would love to have the glory of the sim available to me that most hope CLOD will be. Yes, I paid full price on Steam, but it is not really that much money - I have certainly spent more and gotten far less. I do hope they get it to where the majority would like to see it, and if the sequel proves to be very good I will not hesistate to get it as well, but I will wait like I did with CLOD to be sure it is.

In the meantime I have other good flight sims to entertain me while I wait, granted not a good WWII sim like I want more than anything, but I will patiently wait to see the end result of this latest patching process, and hope for good things for all...

[TonyD]

Is it just me, or does the misspelled title of this post seem somewhat ironic? :) The actual truth, if this poll (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=31780) is anything to go by, is that the vast majority of users have seen a performance increase, which was the purpose of this update. I also believe that a lot of those that voted ‘Similar performance’ had good frame rates to start with, and haven’t noticed that increasing graphic settings has a minimal impact on performance (which would result in them voting ‘Better performance’ if they had a chance to vote again).

B6 stated that there were some known errors in the patch that they were working on, and hopefully they will be addressed soon, but for most users the promised performance increase is a reality.

[SiThSpAwN]

Do you think maybe the FPS increase could be anything to do with them chopping the clouds out, the textures being lowered and people turning tree's and grass off?


Perhaps, but if they can pinpoint the issues they can update those features and optimize them.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Well Alpha or beta,
Well it looks like the penny finally dropped? ;)

I guess your statement above is as close as you can come to admitting you were wrong?

That being BS post referred to the patch as 'alpha' from the start and that you just 'missed' it when you read it.

So with that said everyone should take note that all your posts prior to this moment stemmed from you having the wrong impression of the 'purpose' of this patch..

That is to say people should now be able to understand why you were so upset, because you didn't realize the purpose of this patch.

For those that are still confused see my sig.

its still a patch that as broken as much as its fixed like all previous patches,
For some yes and for some no..

That is the nature of dev provided public alpha patch testing..

Which was explained clearly in BS initial post!

Based on your responce it appears you are still a little confused as to the purpose of this patch!

Thus people should STILL disregard your comments on this patch

Feel free to read my sig again..

Because we all know now how you tend to 'miss' things the first time you read them.

very shoddy work.
That would be the impression someone would get if they didn't understand the purpose of a dev provided public alpha test patch..

But that is not the impression someone would get if they understood the purpose of a dev provided public alpha test patch..

[Pudfark]

Uh...anybody know the

[CaptainDoggles]

1.06.17582

[TonyD]

Do you think maybe the FPS increase could be anything to do with them chopping the clouds out, the textures being lowered and people turning tree's and grass off?

No. I’ve run the ‘Black Death’ track a number of times in both versions, and haven’t noticed anything missing. There are some minor graphic differences (the explosion’s concussion for eg.), and one or two errors (bomb craters seen through the BF109), but the engine’s rendering speed has been greatly enhanced, for me anyway. I am one of the lucky few (?) who have experienced a huge improvement in frame rates, 70% in terms of the BD track at the same settings. I have been able to increase the detail level since with almost no reduction in performance .

I also test by flying around at low altitude over Dover, blowing up the fuel depot and checking frame rates with the effect in view and not. With VSYNC enabled the frame rate stays almost constantly at my screen’s refresh rate, only dipping to the low 30’s when getting very close to the fire.

I am currently flying the ‘Operation Sealion’ missions with all graphic settings on ‘High’, and it runs flawlessly. I do have to put up with the ‘blue lines’ error (due to my particular gfx card, which is annoying), but I notice them less when involved in the game.

I must admit to being very surprised and impressed with the performance improvement, if not by some of the more irritating errors, but have hope that these will be addressed soon. All things considered, a large step forward in my opinion. (Although I have wondered whether one of AMD’s recently ‘released’ staff members has ended up at 1c, and slipped some Bulldozer optimisations into the code :grin: )

[Pudfark]

1.06.17582

Uh..

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Uh...AOA's sig says that's the Beta Patch #
Poor pud.. Seems you and Tree have the same reading problems.. Read what BS wrote in his inital post again and I think you will see the word 'alpha' twice.. Note not talking about the 'title' of the thread, the 'content' of the thread

[CaptainDoggles]

Uh...AOA's sig says that's the Beta Patch #

It just says Beta in the title. If you read BlackSix's post, you'll see it's an alpha patch.

[Pudfark]

d

[ACE-OF-ACES]

The post was edited, end of.
To add links and updates..

But as many have tried to tell you here in this thread (maybe you should go back and read what they said a 2nd time?)

The description that I have in my link, that contains the qualifiers of 'alpha' in relation to the patch was there from the start and never changed

Nice try!

But no sale

[Pudfark]

d

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Please refrain AoA...your "qualifiers" are adding to Tree's and my confusion.
Fixed that for ya

[Pudfark]

q

[hiro]

its funny how some people say 'see you in ROF' not realizing the birthing process of ROF is similar to CLOD's. OR maYBe selective memory or something.

the OP's truth would be true IF if the devs stopped working on clod and said 'new sim working on are we . . .'

but we get updates and they are trying to fix it.


aND TO +1 on people saying its a alpha beta patch. just read B6's post.

nothing else needed. someone said there isn't a number, but B6 has it in the original post.

again, selective memory or selective reading.

lens post is not new. Its the "I am a IL-2 1946 fan, and oleg n devs had enough time to make CLOD, and the devs were supposed to fix the US release, and the fans were conned because its taking too long." type of post

And then upset of the moscow being the working game and CLOD should be it, whine.

that's the standard whine n cheese post, and i WAS surprised it was rehashed like a hollywood blockbuster.


But the truth is devs and B6 are telling us what is going on. WIP, patch not released. They are working on the game.

Also remember the magnitude of what was promised. It's huge. just the code that connects the weather / climate / air currents / propwash affecting your FM is huge. And that's not including the FM code specific to your ship or the code of the weather / propwash / air currents / other ac propwash etc which is probably just as big or probably bigger.

its alot to model and to put it into code . . . its going to take a long time.

[fruitbat]

This thread,

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/thefruitbat1/ScreenHunter_01May.jpg

[159th_Jester]

This forum,

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/thefruitbat1/ScreenHunter_01May.jpg

.... Fixed that for you........:twisted: :mrgreen:

[Jaws2002]

Also remember the magnitude of what was promised. It's huge. just the code that connects the weather / climate / air currents / propwash affecting your FM is huge. And that's not including the FM code specific to your ship or the code of the weather / propwash / air currents / other ac propwash etc which is probably just as big or probably bigger.

its alot to model and to put it into code . . . its going to take a long time.

For me the game ran and specially looked a lot better last year than it does now. This is the problem. They chopped off everything that made this game look stunning and in the end I'm losing performance. How on earth do you explain that?

[Fjordmonkey]

How on earth do you explain that?

Alpha-patch in order to help find and squash the crash-bug that many have been struggeling with?

[shibidiboo25]

With this game looking worse and worse from patch to patch, it's actually encuraging for other companies to get into ww2 combat flight siming.
Before the CLOD release, everyone, including other companies, were aware of the very high standards products released by Maddox Games and didn't risk getting into competition with them. Maddox Games had the market cornered.
Fast forward one year. Now everyone out there knows this team is a shadow of the powerhouse it once was, so I'm sure others will get into this genere and compete for all this honest and loyal customers.

Competition is the soul of progress. Bring it.

this game looking worse and worse from patch to patch is because of all the little fing crybaby trolls that wont shut the hell up until they get what they want when they want it, they forced Maddox to release this patch pre-maturly because of all they're bitching. it was fine the way it was. so don't blaim the company for this blaim the snot nose brats who have no life other than going on fourms and bitching all the live long day. Black Six said this patch was in no way shape or form ready, but everyone's constant qqing forced them to do this now everyone is on bitching again about how bad the patch sux, its like no $%^&*#@ DUH! maybe this time they will learn to wait for them to finish something rather than bitching about it.

[Jaws2002]

Alpha-patch in order to help find and squash the crash-bug that many have been struggeling with?

So you are telling me they intentionally made an ugly looking and bad running patch specially to help find the bugs this very patch has introduced?:lol:

[Fjordmonkey]

So you are telling me they intentionally made an ugly looking and bad running patch specially to help find the bugs this very patch has introduced?:lol:

The crash-bug has been in the game for far longer than this patch has been available, so no :P

I've never had an issue with crashing, however, and I haven't installed this alpha-patch. I'll at least wait until the Beta-patch is ready before I do that.

[furbs]

If the patch is definitely, absolutely, really, really a Alpha why did they call it a BETA in the title?

Not that it makes any difference to the patch contents or to me, they could of called the patch "Clarence" for all i care.

[Fjordmonkey]

If the patch is definitely, absolutely, really, really a Alpha why did they call it a BETA in the title?

That would be called a feckup, and hey, sometimes it happens.

[Opitz]

Firstly, you know what? Over the last year I've seen Tree_UK do little but state the facts, accurate facts, he's nearly always proved correct eventually and yet nonetheless there's a high number of forum members who consistently attempt to undermine him and ridicule him. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Secondly, I'm almost certainly about to get banned and I really don't care because for once I'M about to tell it how it really is.

I've been a passionate devotee of the IL-2 series since the beginning over a decade ago. I've purchased every iteration, run the software on 3 different PCs, bought Track-IR, CH-Products rudder pedals and throttle and cherish my original MS Sidewinder FF stick that has been with me all that time and flown all my simulated aircraft. I've been fully committed! I watched the progress of COD (or Battle Of Britain as it was originally known) from the earliest hints of it being worked on, I valued the DVD clips in the IL-2 1946 package, I trawled the web to find updates, I had an order in place with Play.com (UK) for YEARS (literally). When the sim was finally announced I placed an order for 2 Collector's Editions at once with UBISHOP and, despite the curious lack of revealing demo clips available on the web (odd that eh?) I still couldn't wait. I bought 2 GTX-580 gpus to run COD in the promised SLI and the promised DX-11. I was a full on fan and supporter of Oleg Maddox and his astonishing project that after so many years of development was PROMISED by 1C to be a new era in personal combat flight simulation. Then the game was released and immediately there was trouble. The epilepsy filter, the defects, the lack of SLI, the lack of DX-11, the lack of campaign mode, the appalling frame rate ... as has since been fully acknowledged by the development team the application was pushed out unfinished and in a terrible state. It was nowhere near a saleable commodity, they HAD to release it to recoup funds to continue and (as they promised) quickly fix all the issues.

Many of us felt cheated by that approach because it was obviously a con. They insisted prior to release that all was well, even after release they kept quiet about the problems until forced into a corner. It's no coincidence that the only real admission of the truth of the situation was AFTER the USA release when a lot more people had been conned and a lot more money brought into the 1C (and their backers') account.

Then they made a clean start, admitted what had happened, promised to fix it fast and asked us to please stick around and let them justify our trust and our investment. That, for the moment, appealed to me and I did indeed stick around but I didn't contribute to this forum because I wanted to wait and see what happened. Please bear in mind that in the good old days of 2001 to 2005 I was very active on the IL-2 forum and you can still see my posts there. I never courted controversy and I was never banned or warned by the moderators.

So ... in the last year what has happened?
Well, this forum is now effectively a fascist state. The moderators are completely intolerant of any legitimate criticism of the parlous state of COD and ban contributors who have PAID THEIR SALARY (if they're not volunteers) and those of the dev team. I've never seem an online community so denied free speech, democracy is NOT thriving here. This does noone any good. In that time we've also had several patches, I've applied them all, that have made minor incremental changes to aspects of the sim and virtually no improvements to the underlying issues that matter, that actually affect the immersive experience of flying an aircraft in combat. Then we got to the beyond surreal point where having not even vaguely completed the application that we've all paid a considerable amount of money for and which a year ago we got a solemn promise from the team that they wouldn't rest until our investment was justified and they'd finished the game, we're told that they're working on a SEQUEL, that we'll be expected to pay for and we'd have to wait for the engine being used for that to be completed so it can be plugged into COD. The smell of rat was getting strong now.
Even then I was patient, I believed them still, I awaited the uber-patch with great interest, I genuinely believed that they could do it. Then they kept us waiting and waiting. Weeks went into months. Then there was the propoganda of it being nearly finished and producing AMAZING results that would TRANSFORM the game's playability and quality ... oh, but then that code turned out to be full of defects and actually not quite ready for release after all despite being only hours away when last they mentioned it. THEN they released the latest patch, the one that we'd been told would only be released when it was actually going to REALLY improve the application, REALLY improve the gameplay, the graphics, the sound, the framerate ... Well it didin't did it ... it made things worse mostly and that's after they'd turned OFF some graphic features to save resource.

So, David Hayward, do YOU actually understand the purpose of a public beta test? Do you realize that a beta test is supposed to be of finished, bullet proof software? That you only release it because you're certain it's the finished product BUT you want one last mass test under real world conditions to check before GUARANTEEING it's worth? I don't think that you DO understand that and I'm CERTAIN that's not what happened here. This was mid development software released under duress and it's nowhere near ready for use by the end users.

In conclusion. We were conned. We are STILL being conned. They will NOT fix this application. Do NOT fall into the trap again and purchase the so called sequel. Open your eyes people, the game is over!

I fully expect to be banned for offering this truthful and non-troll opinion. As I said, I care passionately about the IL-2 series, and I've waited a LONG time before speaking my mind but this has now got patently obviously RIDICULOUS!

Goodbye all and good luck. See you in the ROF skies I hope.

Best wishes
Phil

Great post. I agree on 100pct. Just short note. Some of members have found out this painful truth just few days after first release. They were banned, ridiculed, expelled from this community. The MOST sad thing around this game is how slow death of IL2 game affected IL2 community. There were never ever such intolerance, such hatred. It was in fact IL2 community itself which kept this game for so long, when Oleg and his boys just ignored community. And how this community was rewarded for a decade of support, loyalty, patience and DIY culture?


And to the people who keep saying that critics are to blame... Yeah! When the critics will be silenced everything will be good. Next patch... alpha or beta or just PATCH, will be fine. All critics will come back and will beg you on the knees for forgiveness just to be allowed to be part of this GREAT community again...

[carguy_]

The post was edited, end of.
Nope, sorry. Just lack of your reading comprehension. You manage to find a new low everytime. Blaming 1C/BlackSix for everything.

[Lurker_71]

How come anti aliasing still does not work in the "new" engine? Any ideas?

[Wolf_Rider]

Please refrain AoA...your "qualifiers" are adding to the confusion.

incoveniently for some (it seems) what AoA says is correct though....









The moderators are completely intolerant of any legitimate criticism of the parlous state of COD and ban contributors who have PAID THEIR SALARY (if they're not volunteers) and those of the dev team. I've never seem an online community so denied free speech, democracy is NOT thriving here.



Actually... constructive criticism is welcomed by all, it is the constant whinging and bitching (combined with thread disruption) which brought the stick out.

How many times to people have to harp on the same 'ol same 'ol?
What, exactly, does anyone think they would achieve by constantly whinging?

Free speech, doesn't mean you can say whatever the heck you feel like...

[PotNoodles]

I cannot imagine what the developers will say in the next update. With half the people on here having all these problems still, I do hope they don't just say the patch is nearly complete but for a few remaining bugs..Well I do hope they say that but only if it's true.

The only thing I want out of this game is a good constant FPS and CTD gone. Can someone please explain how 7 months of fixing has made little difference when I have a computer that is more then capable of running any game. 1 year on and we are still at alpha stage of testing a patch that will bring us better FPS and no crashes? I'm all for that but I cannot help but think we should be a lot further on by now. Specs below.

i7 930 Overclocked 4.0ghz
Gainward phantom Geforce 680GTX 2mb
4Gig Ram
Raptor HD

[Meusli]

How come anti aliasing still does not work in the "new" engine? Any ideas?

Works on mine perfectly, so did you install the patch properly?

[Mysticpuma]

Although I do +1 Phil's post, I am not at the stage of throwing in the towel just yet.

I do feel aggrieved that so-long after it's initial release we are still at Alpha/Beta patch release to try and fix the release day issues.

It does also grate with me that while players have been waiting to get a stable version of the release day software, 1C proudly talk about/advertise the new software they want us to buy.

The sad thing is most of us are here because of the rose tinted glasses we have for IL2:1946, which is still going strong due to TD, but UP and HSFX Mods have made the online servers a niche place where on occasion, one Mod pack will work on one Server and so people can't be bothered to switch. The old-days where everyone could join any server as the patch numbers were the same has sadly long-gone!

So now the online WW2 playing community is looking for the next great thing and CloD promised/promises to be that.

It seems a lot of the crashes I read about are online though and once-more this means the online community is suffering.

I have posted before that loading up 1946 and taking a flight in a large battle at 10000m, with contrails all around, made me grin like a Cheshire Cat and I hope that one-day I'll fly a P-47 or Mustang in CloD on an escort mission.

My irritation at 1C is the prolonged wait to even get the initial release stable, when we already know it shouldn't have been launched.

If anyone remembers the original IL2, just look at how many missions and options and aircraft came with that. I mean 31 flyable aircraft and 40 non-flyable!

Compare that to CloD. Yes I realise that the detail is much greater but after the development time I would have hoped for a few more aircraft and one of them NOT a G.50!!! So many aircraft that took part in BoB and we get a G.50?

Anyway, as we have sat and waited for the next (if you build it they will come) patch hopes get raised that we can touch the nirvana of IL2 and then once more they are dashed on the concrete runway.

I honestly feel that once the launcher issues have been fixed.....that's it until the BoM. If they can stop the game CTD, then they will say "the players are satisfied and now we can let them have the features we promised in the original.....by paying for the sequel!"

Now hand on heart, I am stupid enough/brave enough to actually buy the sequel as I want to fly the best simulator out there. There isn't a sim (ww2 of-course) that can touch the level of detail. Honestly the first time I hit some Hydraulics on an enemy aircraft and the undercarriage started to lower....and then I burst the tyre, I realised that this was the detail I wanted.

The thing is, if they are spending most of their time creating the 'new' BoM and making sure it includes the dynamic weather, the fixes, the extras, the blah, blah, blah, well I don't think that there is any reason not to give it a 'punt'.

I am concious and aware though, that for me that will be last-chance saloon for 1C in my book. If it doesn't include those features, if it doesn't fix all that they promised, then that will be it. How can you trust a company that takes your money and doesn't provide what it said it will. I think too that there would be recourse as it would surely be a case of obtaining money by deception?

However, it's not done yet, the patch is not complete, the BoM is not complete........nothing is complete?

I will be greatly annoyed though if the main bug fix that really does fix everything, just happens to come along at the right time for it all to work nicely with the BoM update...that would be a stroke of sheer coincidence....surely?

However, for now I can play the waiting game. I have IL2, I am Beta testing War Thunder, I have other games i can play but I also have CloD, installed on my hard drive, waiting for the next patch and although the wait will hurt.....what else can i do? Moaning and winging about it wont make a patch come any quicker, it'll just make me frustrated for longer.

So, I'll wait for the patch and I will buy BoM but I think deep down that is because 1C have me on "The Hook"

http://fliiby.com/file/857807/9dcf8jxqdg.html

I will however be honest (why not) and say that tree and lensman do have my upmost support, because as much as I am a lover of the 1C creation, I do think there is so-much more that could have been done to stop so much animosity.

MP

[Lurker_71]

Works on mine perfectly, so did you install the patch properly?

Yes I did.

Could you kindly post a couple of screen shots of perfectly working AA, and describe your settings (whether set in game or forced via driver).

It is amazing how users can have so varying results with this patch.

[Meusli]

Yes I did.

Could you kindly post a couple of screen shots of perfectly working AA, and describe your settings (whether set in game or forced via driver).

It is amazing how users can have so varying results with this patch.

I will do that now, give us a minute.

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/540675162801979564/530FCA331E96F7C1CE73468018F597571F8AAF6F/

This is on high settings vsync on with AA @4. Of course the forests and buildings are on medium.

[JG52Krupi]

Exactly what features have they removed with patches?

Also you seem to have ingored what this alpha patch is for... Namely capturing and reporting crashes that they are trying to find.

[PotNoodles]

Great post Mystic, thats just it we want it to be fantastic and have the online community IL2 has, but until we get a stable and working sim it wont happen.

What baffles me is some of the problems are day one release...the particle, cloud, smoke and gun hit slow down has been there for ever, cant someone at MG have worked on that for the last 14 months plus development time and at least got that working ok?

Honestly i just dont have any faith in them fixing these problems anymore, all this time and now they say "just a few more days to optimize the grass, trees and clouds" who they kidding? we were told the trees, grass and buildings were already optimized 100% in one of the first patches, remember?

How many times have we heard "fixed AI commands" no they didn't, they just took the broken ones out.

CLOD seems to be going backwards regarding looks, they keep chopping stuff out or braking features, its not funny anymore.

One of the first patches broke the sound engine, remember having to turn off trees to have sound?? :rolleyes: how can trees affect sound??

The next patch fixed the sound but introduced the CTD for alot of people.

The last patch put us back to alpha stage, has done nothing to some of the problems from day one, granted it a step forward with the under the hood fixes but CTD's remain for alot of people.

Honestly it looks like they are chasing their tails round and round and round.

You can just forget them adding dynamic weather, coops or any other major feature for years, its just not going to happen.

I would bet my life 99.9% of the "moaners" just want to fly a working sim, i know i do.

Spot on and some people on here wonder why people are moaning. I would just like to know what it is they have supposed to have fixed? It's not the stuttering because it still remains as bad, it's not the clouds or grass and it's not even the FPS or the CTD. So what is it?

[Meusli]

What baffles me is some of the problems are day one release...the particle, cloud, smoke and gun hit slow down has been there for ever, cant someone at MG have worked on that for the last 14 months plus development time and at least got that working ok?


I think the issue is they have to sort the engine out to achieve these other things, why fix something in the short term if you are going to have to redo it later because you rewrote the engine. That is my view anyhow.

[JG52Krupi]

Spot on and some people on here wonder why people are moaning. I would just like to know what it is they have supposed to have fixed? It's not the stuttering because it still remains bad, it's not the clouds or grass and it's not the FPS or the CTD.

Maybe not for you but ~50% have had an improvement, I am one of them better fps, only one ctd.

If your having CTD report them.

[PotNoodles]

Maybe not for you but ~50% have had an improvement, I am one of them better fps, only one ctd.

If your having CTD report them.

Can you put up a video with FPS and fly through some clouds and over grass while fighting enemy and I'll start to believe it if I see it. I just cannot see how a rig with my capabilities can not cut it where as yours can, I got 11 FPS through clouds lol. My specs are below. What are yours?

i7 930 overclocked 4.0ghz
Geforce 680GTX
4 gig ram
Raptor HD

[JG52Krupi]

Can you put up a video with FPS and fly through some clouds and over grass while fighting enemy and I'll start to believe it if I see it. I just cannot see how a rig with my capabilities can not cut it where as yours can, I got 11 FPS through clouds lol. My specs are below. What are yours?

i7 930 overclocked 4.0ghz
Geforce 680GTX
4 gig ram
Raptor HD

See sig and I will get a video later.

[PotNoodles]

See sig and I will get a video later.

I have the same motherboard as you the same CPU the only thing different is I have 4 gigs ram, but that's only because you lose the overclock if you add more ram like you have done. My graphics card beats yours and apart from your card we have more or less the same rig. How then can it be different computers causing the problems if yours is very much like mine? Anyways will be interesting to see if you can get a video up for me to look at and just make sure the FPS are showing if you do.

[Wolf_Rider]

is that an SSD you're running, Krupi?

What is your Operating System, Potnoodles?

[carguy_]

You can just forget them adding dynamic weather, coops or any other major feature for years, its just not going to happen.

I would bet my life 99.9% of the "moaners" just want to fly a working sim, i know i do.
Ah yes, you complained about CTDs. Probably fixed as the alpha patch already fixed it for some users completely. But you found another reason to complain, exactly as expected.

So maybe if you don`t believe them anymore and don`t see anything interesting happening with this sim anytime in the future, then why are you even here? What pushes you to post the same drivel again and again?

That goes to you and others with same posts. I suggest you people read Uther`s thread about trolling.

[JG52Krupi]

No clouds, no hit affects and reduced textures would help with a performance increase, plus people are turning trees down and grass off Krupi.

Yes they have removed them in the ALPHA PATCH as they are still trying to get them working in the new engine....!!!

I have everything on high apart from buildings which is on medium... I have tried original textures but my gpu does not have enough VRAM, shadows roads and grass are also on.

[JG52Krupi]

is that an SSD you're running, Krupi?

What is your Operating System, Potnoodles?

Yes but cod isn't on it yet :D

[PotNoodles]

is that an SSD you're running, Krupi?

What is your Operating System, Potnoodles?

Windows 7 Ultimate 64

[JG52Krupi]

Well we have been accused of being the child in the back of the car shouting 'are we there yet', but most of us have realised that the driver of the car hasn't got a clue where is going, weve been driving around now for seven years, listening to the same old excuses, do you remember the absoloute blatent untruth about the PC's only having 2 gig of ram in them at the Russian show, thats why the game didn't run properly? The driver is like a moth round a light bulb.

I don't think you have quite grasped what this alpha patch is meant for tree...

Oh hang on let's not bring something ancient up again... How about we try something new ~50% OF THE PPL THAT TRIED THE ALPHA NOTICED AN IMPROVEMENT!

You must be really bored with your life if you spend most of your time complaining about this game...

[Ze-Jamz]

You must be really bored with your life if you spend most of your time complaining about this game...

Alright Krupes, steady on mate

We was all playing having a laugh few months ago..lets not get personal

[JG52Krupi]

The question you have to ask is this, its very simple, 14 months ago when the game was released what have the dev's fixed since then without breaking anything else? Why didn't they release an 'ALPHA' patch then to collect data in order to fix the 1000's of issues? I am 100% certain that had Ubisoft been given the release candidate before release this game would of never come out.

Maybe just maybe it because they have spent the last 7 months redoing the engine...

[Opitz]

Maybe just maybe it because they have spent the last 7 months redoing the engine...

Redoing what? it is still the same... come on... still CTD, still stutters, still awful textures... how you know it is new engine, when it looks even worse than before, cuz they tuned down texture quality and no-clouds?

[JG52Uther]

The unfortunate turtle?

[carguy_]

Redoing what? it is still the same... come on... still CTD, still stutters, still awful textures... how you know it is new engine, when it looks even worse than before, cuz they tuned down texture quality and no-clouds?
Ok then. The same question again for you : what part of alpha patch do you not understand?

[fruitbat]

The unfortunate turtle?

:grin::grin:

[Opitz]

Ok then. The same question again for you : what part of alpha patch do you not understand?

it is alpha version of beta patch - FAIL... what they will release next - next alpha patch to test again? when?

[JG52Krupi]

Redoing what? it is still the same... come on... still CTD, still stutters, still awful textures... how you know it is new engine, when it looks even worse than before, cuz they tuned down texture quality and no-clouds?


So far I have had one CTD no stutters, yes blurry textures in cockpit only all others look the same, clouds yes it's annoying when they pop in but I don't get a drop in fps...

It's an alpha bits are being optimised and are missing that's all.

[PotNoodles]

Ok then. The same question again for you : what part of alpha patch do you not understand?

the part I don't understand is why release a patch that is suppose to double the FPS when you know that it's going to stutter and effect FPS because the Grass/Clouds/Trees are not fixed? Especially when these things are supposed to be getting fixed within days. Bit silly to do that don't you think?

[JG52Krupi]

it is alpha version of beta patch - FAIL... what they will release next - next alpha patch to test again? when?

Proving once more that you don't understand that this is not meant to fix everything just help them fix the CTD.

[Vittuuntunut]

I don't think you have quite grasped what this alpha patch is meant for tree...

Oh hang on let's not bring something ancient up again... How about we try something new ~50% OF THE PPL THAT TRIED THE ALPHA NOTICED AN IMPROVEMENT!

You must be really bored with your life if you spend most of your time complaining about this game...

It think it´s also safe to say that you must live in some mentally unhealthy denial to still find excuses for this mess. BETA or ALPHA, it doesn´t make any difference, it´s clear that once again we have been mislead (promises of major, I say again, MAJOR FPS increase and whatever). Labeling this previous release as beta-alpha-whatever just bought devs (again) some time on this forum filled with mindelss sheeps, that seem to clap their hands for any bit of disastrous code released by Luthier & co.

Improvements brought by these "patches" have never been real improvements. It is just like Tree said: 1 step forward 2 steps back. That´s the reality of CLOD if you judge it by the standards that make some sense in the real world.

[bongodriver]

I like flapjack....nom nom!

[carguy_]

the part I don't understand is why release a patch that is suppose to double the FPS when you know that it's going to stutter and effect FPS because the Grass/Clouds/Trees are not fixed? Especially when these things are supposed to be getting fixed within days. Bit silly to do that don't you think?
Maybe they wanted to isolate some issues and see if the version with some features turned off will be rid of them? That`s the way testing is done.

I`m not sure if they wrote it anywhere, but my understanding is that they`ve asked us to help. Those who are willing to help. You are obviosly not willing to do that. Why causing chaos to those who want to help?

[JG52Krupi]

You know what you can only try and explain so much to a child before you realise that the child is "special"!

"Don’t argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

On that note, I will post a vid of a online flight but will not be "contributing" anymore to this "thread".

[Wolf_Rider]

it is alpha version of beta patch - FAIL... what they will release next - next alpha patch to test again? when?

That is usually what happens... then maybe another one, then the Beta arrives, which requires further testing... get it?

[carguy_]

It think it´s also safe to say that you must live in some mentally unhealthy denial to still find excuses for this mess. BETA or ALPHA, it doesn´t make any difference, it´s clear that once again we have been mislead (promises of major, I say again, MAJOR FPS increase and whatever). Labeling this previous release as beta-alpha-whatever just bought devs (again) some time on this forum filled with mindelss sheeps, that seem to clap their hands for any bit of disastrous code released by Luthier & co.
Yeah, we don`t want them to have more time to fix this, do we?


Improvements brought by these "patches" have never been real improvements. It is just like Tree said: 1 step forward 2 steps back. That´s the reality of CLOD if you judge it by the standards that make some sense in the real world.
I`m quite baffled by you listening to Tree_UK. He just proved he can`t even read.

[JG52Uther]

they`ve asked us to help. Those who are willing to help. You are obviosly not willing to do that. Why causing chaos to those who want to help?
QFT. I believe the purpose of this alpha patch is to try and nail down CTD bugs. If you don't want to help, or can't help, then its probably best not to install it, and just let the people who do want to help just get on with it.
For me this patch is not for playing CoD, but for testing CoD, and trying to fix the CTD's some are having.Not all, some, including me. If I can help in any way, by sending in crash files and logs I will.

[PotNoodles]

Maybe they wanted to isolate some issues and see if the version with some features turned off will be rid of them? That`s the way testing is done.

I`m not sure if they wrote it anywhere, but my understanding is that they`ve asked us to help. Those who are willing to help. You are obviosly not willing to do that. Why causing chaos to those who want to help?

Causing chaos to those who want to help? Are you serious? I am telling them that the FPS and stutters are still in the game and this is not helping them? Maybe I should tell them all is great then. Jezz It's not like I can send them a log of the stutters and FPS issues is it? I can only report it here. Just like I tried to help in another thread about people using a FPS limiter.

[JG52Uther]

I am telling them that the FPS and stutters are still in the game and this is not helping them?
Have you posted your findings in the bug thread?
Put your system specs in your sig, so the devs can see the system you are running.

[carguy_]

Have a look at the thread title Carguy, you must of know what the subject matter would be right? yet you cant help reading and posting in here.
Yes, I expected its content. I found false information posted by some users, more of the same meaningless speculation with no grounds whatsoever. In my opinion 1C does not deserve any of this. As long as you post based on the truth then I can`t do nothing about it. It is your interpretation of the data and the event. It is wrong, not true and that is why I need to point it out. Tree_UK has switched the patch topic to a whole different vision which does not in any way reflect what 1C is doing. There are many users reading this stuff and draw wrong conclusions. This needs to be countered - not with speculation but rational interpretation of the data and events. You speak through rage. I speak through what I analised.


you dont like my post so you attack me!If you read that as an attack then it is not my fault. I asked you a question. Maybe you have relevant grounds to post what you post, but you certainly didn`t explain them so far. If all what you posted was he truth and not speculation through rage, I wouldn`t even make one post here.



Its another reason to complain?, its the same reason as 14 months ago, tell you what might help Carguy, put me on ignore.If I put you and others on ignore, I couldn`t counter the misinforming you and others do.

[Wolf_Rider]

Causing chaos to those who want to help? Are you serious? I am telling them that the FPS and stutters are still in the game and this is not helping them? Maybe I should tell them all is great then. Jezz It's not like I can send them a log of the stutters and FPS issues is it? I can only report it here. Just like I tried to help in another thread about people using a FPS limiter.


did you put it in the Bug Thread?



Good day everyone!

The patch is ready! What we have today is a DX10-only alpha. DX9 support is specifically removed. If you are running DX9, do not apply the patch!

The main purpose of the alpha is to find and squash any remaining or new bugs, especially crash bugs. The most common of the infamous launcher crashes have been fixed, but a few very hard to catch bugs remain. On average, a full day of flying causes about 0.8 crashes, and our internal testing has not yet provided the crash logs needed to zero in on the issue.


Please enable logging in your conf.ini (Log=1). If the game crashes, send us your log as well as any crash dump files created in the cppdump folder in the main game installation. Email everything to ishevchenko@1cpublishing.eu

So! Get testing. Get reporting. Make sure your logging is enabled, and send us your crashlogs!

Installation Instructions:
Just extract to your
[Program Files]\Steam\steamapps\common\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover
And play!
Version number is 1.06.17582

We don’t have a complete readme at this time, but a rough list of changes is below.

Known Issues

• Not fully optimized: grass, clouds, and trees. Clouds cause constant FPS drop; grass and trees cause hick-ups. A few extra days of work for this, a few days for grass, few days for clouds, we felt that we could start open testing the patch without waiting for these changes. • Texture cache failing to draw higher-res textures on close-up objects with lower settings on below-recommended video cards.
• Weathering textures on aircraft appear shiny in shadows.
• No damage decals on aircraft from small-caliber hits.
• The hit flash effects are temporarily turned off.
• Far and medium distance clouds are temporarily turned off.
• Text in dialogue windows in the mission builder may appear bugged with other dialogue windows underneath.
• The front line in mission builder and minimap is drawn incorrectly.

Changes and Improvements

Performance

We've performed a huge amount of work improving both average and minimum FPS in the game. Most recommended-spec machine will see a roughly double average FPS and a significant reduction in the micro-freezes that had previously plagued the game. Their frequency, duration, and overall FPS impact will be greatly reduced or completely redone.

Some of the changes include:

• Completely rewritten render pipeline, which reduced CPU load;
• Rewritten texture manager, reducing stutter when loading new textures;
• Moved landscape geometry generator to its own CPU core, reducing stutters;
• Optimized tree code, reducing stutters when moving across landscape or rotating camera;
• Moved grass generator to its own CPU core, decreasing stutters during low-level flight;
• Moved all building and vehicle damage models to be pre-loaded, rather than dynamically loaded when they are destroyed. This increased mission loading times and memory usage, and reduced stutterswhen blowing things up;
• Improved multithreading in many other aspects of the code, improving minimal FPS on most multicore machines.

[Mysticpuma]

QFT. I believe the purpose of this alpha patch is to try and nail down CTD bugs. If you don't want to help, or can't help, then its probably best not to install it, and just let the people who do want to help just get on with it.
For me this patch is not for playing CoD, but for testing CoD, and trying to fix the CTD's some are having.Not all, some, including me. If I can help in any way, by sending in crash files and logs I will.


I understand where you are coming from here Uther, but currently I am beta testing War thunder and they are not releasing it to the public yet because they want to nail down the netcode, bugs, features all at a steady rate.

About every 3-days (sometimes daily) Gaijin are updating their software to fix bug reports. Now that's service!

The thing is Cliffs of Dover is already out, people have paid money for it and now they are being asked to Alpha and beta test it.

We all now a Patch can bring it's own issues but the original release of Cliffs of Dover has never been stable (to release 'Gold' standard), there have always been crashes, features missing, in a nutshell it was not ready!

Now 14-months down the line, here's a release from 1C that they cross their fingers will do a job that should have been done before release....but here's the 'get out clause', they'll call it an Alpha/Beta and that way when the issues are still not resolved, well, it's not their fault as it was only a Alpha/Beta patch. not the full one we have waited for since release day?

I already stated, I'm 'on the hook', I will patch and I will buy the BoM in the hope I can actually have a working Simulation (and if they can get it stable...what a simulation!) but really, so long since it's release and we are still at 'sticking plaster' stage? It's not a really a good show is it?

I had hoped by now, not to be Beta testing software on a paid for release. I think if any of the patches had made the game as it should have been released AND THEN we were Alpha/Beta testing a new feature/update/effect that would be more than acceptable, it's just that currently the Software is still being fixed to bring it up to how it should have been released.

It's more a question of trust I think?

Do you trust them to part with more money when BoM comes out. Sadly (as I mentioned about the Hook) I think most players who hope for a sim will no-doubt spend their money (I already said I will), but this is just because I live in hope of the halcyon days of IL2. Whether BoM will fix CloD, I don't know, but for those who aren't willing to take that step, it really is sad that nearly a year-and-a-half since release, the software is still missing the dynamic weather (promised but now not coming until BoM) and the developer's are asking the community to Alpha/Beta test the software.

MP

[carguy_]

So only your opinion is the truth? and mine is not?
What I post repeatedly are facts. Information. You are posting an interpretation of them which is obviously wrong.



Can you prove what i have said is untrue?How can I prove you wrong since you don`t have anything to support your claims?

[carguy_]

I understand where you are coming from here Uther, but currently I am beta testing War thunder and they are not releasing it to the public yet because they want to nail down the netcode, bugs, features all at a steady rate.

About every 3-days (sometimes daily) Gaijin are updating their software to fix bug reports. Now that's service!
So Gajin have the same budget and number of men working on the title as CloD? And who is saying that 1C has good service?



Now 14-months down the line, here's a release from 1C that they cross their fingers will do a job that should have been done before release....but here's the 'get out clause', they'll call it an Alpha/Beta and that way when the issues are still not resolved, well, it's not their fault as it was only a Alpha/Beta patch. not the full one we have waited for since release day?

Please explain. I don`t understand what you mean. What clause? How? Do you think there won`t be any final patch? On what grounds? Speculation again?

[Wolf_Rider]

~ and the developer's are asking the community to Alpha/Beta test the software.

MP

err... alpha test the redesigned and rewritten engine ;)

[jibo]

I tell you Ilya, i'am done with all those fake promises, first there was the dinner at the french restaurant and all i've got was a milkshake at McDonald, which gave me terrible hiccups then the trip to Egypt to so called start on a "new basis" (during a revolution ilya !) of course i was moved, i received tear gas in the face, since then everything i see is blurry.
I want everything back, the cat, the tv set and the vacuum cleaner.
i'am gone for good, btw see you tomorrow.

[JG52Uther]

i'am gone for good, btw see you tomorrow.

:grin::grin:
Welcome to the turtle.

[carguy_]

Again what part of my earlier post is untrue?


You can just forget them adding dynamic weather, coops or any other major feature for years, its just not going to happen.
But ofcourse if you can provide a quote by Luthier/BlackSix/other 1C representative confimring that then I`ll delete my posts.

BTW to be more explaining.
My post #223 is information.
My post #232 is speculation/opinion. But I underlined this.

[Vittuuntunut]

If I put you and others on ignore, I couldn`t counter the misinforming you and others do.

The most serious misinformation is to say that CLOD, in it´s current state (after 14 months of patching!) is a product that should be on the retailers self. I can´t even describe how it pisses me off when the usual suspects praise this game on different forums (Banana, Ubi, SimHQ) to people who are considering buying it and asking if it´s playable yet (some maybe even considering upgrading their rig just to play CLOD!!!!!)

It´s not, if you apply the real world standards (if you wonder what these might be, try looking e.g. DCS-series).

Yeayeayeayeayea, "some people can run it fluently", "some people don´t have problems", "it´s playable"

Get real!

This game has already enough alpha/beta testers. Most of them (myself included) would have never paid 50 € to be one.

[addman]

The unfortunate turtle?

More like "the unfortunate turd" IMO.

With regards to the patch, they are only calling it alpha, beta or whatever to stall. There won't be a stable version of this game until about a month before BoM releases, maybe, unlikely. Good luck with the "alpha, beta, gamma, omega or whatever they'll call it" testing. :D

[carguy_]

The most serious misinformation is to say that CLOD, in it´s current state (after 14 months of patching!) is a product that should be on the retailers self. I can´t even describe how it pisses me off when the usual suspects praise this game on different forums (Banana, Ubi, SimHQ) to people who are considering buying it and asking if it´s playable yet (some maybe even considering upgrading their rig just to play CLOD!!!!!)
Please note that opinions differ. Some say better never release it in this state, others say at least the title is out and 1C can continue working on it.
But yes, if somebody is saying that CloD is a full working product the it is the same type of misinformation.


It´s not, if you apply the real world standards (if you wonder what these might be, try looking e.g. DCS-series).

Yeayeayeayeayea, "some people can run it fluently", "some people don´t have problems", "it´s playable"
What is so untrue in "some people can run it fluently"?


This game has already enough alpha/beta testers. Most of them (myself included) would have never paid 50 € to be one.Did you try to get your refund?

[David Hayward]

With regards to the patch, they are only calling it alpha, beta or whatever to stall. There won't be a stable version of this game until about a month before BoM releases, maybe, unlikely.

I really don't care when they fix it, as long as it is fixed.

[carguy_]

Ahem, Luthier has said dynamic weather is only coming with BOM, which is over a year away. fact
Luthier said no IL2 coop's. fact.
No more content for CLOD. fact.
And you want me to take you seriously?

[carguy_]

I dont give a toss what you do.
Im just putting you right.

So again what part is untrue?
I just answered that question. Can`t you read either?

[carguy_]

Again a attack. That's 2 times in this thread alone. Is that your only comeback?
Then go ahead and report. If that is in fact an attack then I will get an infraction.

I just put you up against the wall. You started sqeaking failed notes. It is ok with me if you don`t want to continue. You are a phoney, furbs.

[kendo65]

Good posts from lensman and Mysticpuma in this thread. I find a lot to agree with in both their positions.

Here’s where I’m at. The alpha patch has produced a performance increase for me (and others). There are obviously a lot of bugs and issues, but they've stated it's an alpha and I’m willing to take them at face value for now and reserve judgement until the beta / final releases of the patch.

There is a lot of wild speculation merging into full-blown conspiracy theory flying around once again. Personally, I’ve always found the ‘screw-up’ point of view more convincing than the conspiracy theories. That’s true for this patch as well.

The deciding moment will come once the patch hits beta and then full Steam release. If it isn’t solid and producing good results by then I would say that everyone is justified to complain and or even abandon the game. Like many, my own patience has been pushed very close to breaking over the last 6+ months. The devs know this patch HAS to cut it. I’m willing to wait until it is final before passing judgement.

As for the speculation about them fobbing us off with a stalling tactic, rip-off patch and then not seeing anything else until BOM – there’s no evidence for it. Believe it if you want - OR wait for a few weeks and see for yourself what happens. We’ll all find out soon enough.

For now though some of the talk is getting hysterical.

[GloDark7]

In trials of a leading hair growth tonic, 60% of balding men noticed new hair growth.

In trials of a leading anti-aging cream, 70% of people noticed an improvement.

...50% OF THE PPL THAT TRIED THE ALPHA NOTICED AN IMPROVEMENT!

I wasn't one of the lucky 50% of alpha patch testers but I'm sure my hairline has stopped receding and I have less wrinkles.

I re-installed the latest version from Steam yesterady (clean install) and got a CTD on startup, won't run at all. Updated to the Beta/Alpha, whatever you want to call it and got stuttering hell on medium to low settings. I'll come back later when it's fixed and the bickering has stopped. Wonder when that will be?

Glo

[nearmiss]

The unfortunate truth...

The devs are still working to resolve issues. Everyone was asking a patch. Generally, many mentioned they would be accepting of a beta patch knowing there would be issues.

Now we get threads like this, and we all know the patch was beta.

Yes, the devs are working on the COD. Yes, it is taking too long to suit many people.

This forums is not the whine and complaint venue.

Moderators are interested to keep a positive forum for the benefit of all our members.

We have all heard complaints and whines so many times no one in their right mind wants to keep reading that kind of verbal garbage.

Now the point is... Many of you that have posted your lousy continuous verbiage in this thread have reached the end of moderator patience.

The COD is what it is and it will be so until it is finalized. No one has any power over that except the developers.

Therefore... if you have put up a rant, whine or complaint in this thread you are on the proverbial hot seat. If you don't remove your trash talk postings you will get a ban, and some of you have that have continued to be contentious over the past year and you know who you are. You have exceeded the patience of moderators on this forums. Some of you may receive permanent (don't ever come back) bans, and others for several months.

This thread will be open for half of the day for edits and deletions of postings. If moderators have to edit any of your postings you will be considered non-compliant and you will receive ban. This thread will either be locked or possibly deleted thereafter.

Don't PM and ask moderators if your posting deserves "Special Attention". If you have put up a questionable post you should consider it a problem.

[CaptainDoggles]

Moderators are interested to keep a positive forum for the benefit of all our members.

...

Therefore... if you have put up a rant, whine or complaint in this thread you are on the proverbial hot seat.

I don't want to jump the gun, so can I ask for a clarification? Does this mean that any negative posts at all will risk a ban?

I know you said "in this thread" but will this extend elsewhere as well?

Just want to be clear, is all.

[Walrus1]

Well we have been accused of being the child in the back of the car shouting 'are we there yet', but most of us have realised that the driver of the car hasn't got a clue where is going, weve been driving around now for seven years, listening to the same old excuses, do you remember the absoloute blatent untruth about the PC's only having 2 gig of ram in them at the Russian show, thats why the game didn't run properly? The driver is like a moth round a light bulb.

The thing about it is, you are not a child, and you can get out of the car at any time.

And I know you paid $50, or euros, or pounds or whatever.

I agree with much of Mystic Puma's post: my confidence in the dev team to master this software is waning. Fast. But I haven't completely given up yet.

When I do, I will stop reading these forums. What's the point? I will certainly not stick around haranguing the development team and arguing with anyone who chooses to be optimistic.

[Ze-Jamz]

Tic Toc Tic Toc..

Tidy it up fellas and take that warning seriously..stop yer whining whatever side of the fence your on..

In fact dont...it will make for better visits to this forum

[MBF]

I understand where you are coming from here Uther, but currently I am beta testing War thunder and they are not releasing it to the public yet because they want to nail down the netcode, bugs, features all at a steady rate.

About every 3-days (sometimes daily) Gaijin are updating their software to fix bug reports. Now that's service!

The thing is Cliffs of Dover is already out, people have paid money for it and now they are being asked to Alpha and beta test it.

We all now a Patch can bring it's own issues but the original release of Cliffs of Dover has never been stable (to release 'Gold' standard), there have always been crashes, features missing, in a nutshell it was not ready!

Now 14-months down the line, here's a release from 1C that they cross their fingers will do a job that should have been done before release....but here's the 'get out clause', they'll call it an Alpha/Beta and that way when the issues are still not resolved, well, it's not their fault as it was only a Alpha/Beta patch. not the full one we have waited for since release day?

I already stated, I'm 'on the hook', I will patch and I will buy the BoM in the hope I can actually have a working Simulation (and if they can get it stable...what a simulation!) but really, so long since it's release and we are still at 'sticking plaster' stage? It's not a really a good show is it?

I had hoped by now, not to be Beta testing software on a paid for release. I think if any of the patches had made the game as it should have been released AND THEN we were Alpha/Beta testing a new feature/update/effect that would be more than acceptable, it's just that currently the Software is still being fixed to bring it up to how it should have been released.

It's more a question of trust I think?

Do you trust them to part with more money when BoM comes out. Sadly (as I mentioned about the Hook) I think most players who hope for a sim will no-doubt spend their money (I already said I will), but this is just because I live in hope of the halcyon days of IL2. Whether BoM will fix CloD, I don't know, but for those who aren't willing to take that step, it really is sad that nearly a year-and-a-half since release, the software is still missing the dynamic weather (promised but now not coming until BoM) and the developer's are asking the community to Alpha/Beta test the software.

MP

Agreed, it is not a good show.

They have rewritten parts of the game, so that leaves them no choice but to test it as if the game was still in "development" stage. Why they did that... I do not know, but I suspect that some parts of the engine weren't looking pretty if they decided to go that way.

Yes they should have fixed it before it was released and by now it should be working on all computers, but they went for the "let's redo the foundation of the building with the building halfway done" approach (a bit exaggerated).

If what they are saying,
Not fully optimized: grass, clouds, and trees. Clouds cause constant FPS drop; grass and trees cause hick-ups. A few extra days of work for this, a few days for grass, few days for clouds, we felt that we could start open testing the patch without waiting for these changes. [...]
is true and they feel confident to start tracking down CTD errors, that's great.

It is terrible that after 14 months some people still cannot play the game, but hopefully that will change with the bug reports.

[SiThSpAwN]

The unfortunate truth...

This thread hasnt been locked yet...

[Ze-Jamz]

The unfortunate truth...

This thread hasnt been locked yet...

Cuz peeps have the chance to edit or delete their posts?

[JG52Krupi]

I shouldn't of got involved with the tit for tat i know.

Lmao, whenever I visit these forums I am greeted by a tit tat between you, tree, David and carguy etc... So pull the other one furbs

[nearmiss]

No need to report any more postings in this thread. All moderators have been alerted about this thread.

[Tickl3]

Is constructive critisism not acceptable?
I thought that the whole point of a forum was allow people to voice their oppinions? Why are people continually persicuted for not saying that the sun shines out of CLOD's ass?
The only way this game will get fixed is if you listen to the people who have the issues and stop listening to the people who just want argue with any one with an oppinion different to their own.
I dont post my problems with this game because i see what happens to people that do.
Stop ignoring the people with problems and sort the issues and then there will be nothing for people to moan about. Simples

[Fjordmonkey]

Is constructive critisism not acceptable?
I thought that the whole point of a forum was allow people to voice their oppinions? Why are people continually persicuted for not saying that the sun shines out of CLOD's ass?
The only way this game will get fixed is if you listen to the people who have the issues and stop listening to the people who just want argue with any one with an oppinion different to their own.
I dont post my problems with this game because i see what happens to people that do.
Stop ignoring the people with problems and sort the issues and then there will be nothing for people to moan about. Simples

The problem there is that damn near all of the most vocal criticism is/has been more and more rant'y than anything else, and it hasn't been very constructive. Sure, the first two maybe three pages of a thread can have some constructiveness to it, the following pages will be filled with whining, counterwhining, namecalling and general muppetry. And that makes it very hard figuring out just what the problem is, which again makes the devs go "...meh, TL:DR". And I can't blame them for doing so.

Also take into consideration that it seems that if you take 10 people who all have issues with the game, those 10 people will have different issues. What works for me doesn't work for you, and what works perfectly for you doesn't match the experiences of others.

Besides, some people will ALWAYS moan, regardless. If their issues are fixed, they will moan about that it took too long, that others issues aren't being worked on, or, heaven forbid, they moan about having nothing more to moan about. Never underestimate the capacity for stupidity in your fellow human, my friend, because it is the one thing in the universe, known or unknown, that is truly limitless.

[nearmiss]

Tickl3

There are several sticky threads for making constructive responses about the the patch, and there is one to submit log files to developer.

That way you help developer, otherwise the developer will not see your posts in regular threads.

[Jaws2002]

Tickl3

There are several sticky threads for making constructive responses about the the patch, and there is one to submit log files to developer.

That way you help developer, otherwise the developer will not see your posts in regular threads.

Please close this thread then. Or are you just keeping it open as bait?

[JG52Uther]

This thread will be open for half of the day for edits and deletions of postings. If moderators have to edit any of your postings you will be considered non-compliant and you will receive ban. This thread will either be locked or possibly deleted thereafter.

Don't PM and ask moderators if your posting deserves "Special Attention". If you have put up a questionable post you should consider it a problem.
.

[Mysticpuma]

Shame it's not possible to delete threads that are not of a constructive nature :(

as always, personal in-fighting gets in the way of constructive criticism... MP

[CaptainDoggles]

I already stated, I'm 'on the hook', I will patch and I will buy the BoM in the hope I can actually have a working Simulation (and if they can get it stable...what a simulation!) but really, so long since it's release and we are still at 'sticking plaster' stage? It's not a really a good show is it? With all due respect MP, i think this attitude right here is part of the problem.

We should all commit to boycott BoM until 1C gets CLOD into shape.

If they know we'll all just buy BoM anyways, then there's no incentive for them to get better. It's the reason EA and Activision get away with making the exact same Call of Duty every 2 years: fanboys buy it, regardless of anything.