has anyone notice a dumping in the stick?

[raaaid]

now planes seem to fly more realistic for example while doing vertical scissors

has the stick been dumped as the elevator trim?

makes sense to me taking into account the thousand of newtons necessary to move the stick at high speed

[SQB]

*sigh* Alright Raaaid, I'll bite...

What do you mean by "dumping the stick"? And, furthermore, why would anything have changed in the last 5 months of patchlessness?

[Anders_And]

Lol... SQB you are a true hero!

Raaaid I have no idea what you are talking about!
The only thing I notice about the stick is that with my MS FF2 joystick, the FF comes and goes and that is very annoying!!

[swiss]

maybe he just got his monthly "shot" of evolution accelerator.

[raaaid]

i mean in real life you cant move a stick fully forward, fully backward and fully forward again almost instantly

so it should beahve as the elevator trim with certain delay

swiss its good you posted your picture you look just as what you are like a bully

[king1hw]

Controls and surfaces had excellent response. No Delay. But pilots flew there planes a lot smoother then what we see in here. If your commenting on the yank and bank of both 109 and spit pilots that is quite un historical. It alos depends on the FM having those Physics and Cliffs is not there yet and soon will be I HOPE. Dog fighting on FSX in a wopII 109 vs the wop 3 spit MKI you will get a very different feel.

So you can run these test if you have squad m8s with both,

[raaaid]

i always found vertical scissors unrealistic foe being too fast

but somehow seems solved though apparently the stick hasnt been delayed

edit:

imho the trim should have no delay but the stick do

the reason is that the stick handles hundred of kg forces while the trim is servoassisted by the wind force

and what can you move faster 100 grams force or 100kg

the truth is you can do a bat turn with the trim since its SERVOASSISTED

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

Has always felt the same to me,and I've always flown with my Warthog and flown Hurricanes since day one.

Man,this is your first serious thread is'nt it?lol:grin:

[raaaid]

yes posting with my real picture dont want to make a fool of myself just in case, people should try it specially if theyre acehells

the thing is that people nagging has very negative effects as the trim being delayed since people found out a 109 can turn harder at high speed with the trim than with the elevator

dear one weights 200 kg the other 100 grams of course its easier to turn with the trim than with the stick

[trumps]

i always found vertical scissors unrealistic foe being too fast

but somehow seems solved though apparently the stick hasnt been delayed

edit:

imho the trim should have no delay but the stick do

the reason is that the stick handles hundred of kg forces while the trim is servoassisted by the wind force

and what can you move faster 100 grams force or 100kg

the truth is you can do a bat turn with the trim since its SERVOASSISTED

what makes you think that the trim is in anyway assisted by the air? the trim as with the rest of the control surfaces is fighting against the natural flow of air over the flying surfaces, the trim surfaces have a lot smaller surface area
and a lot less bite, it's reason for being is to finetune for a desired attitude thus unloading the main control surfaces. obviously if say full up elevator is held in and full upward trim more air will be redirected than if down trim had been set. a lot of control surfaces had mass balancers, or extended forward of the surface pivotpoint to counterbalance some of the load applied to them by the air, thus reducing stick load. also i think that in real life you would be suprised at how little surface deflection is actually required produce a pretty severe change of direction, especially as speed increases. trying to bang the stick to the stops at speed would usually just result in a stalled flying surface,a snaproll, or very likely one extremely bent airframe!

LOL, can't believe i just spent 5 minutes, and so many words replying to one of raaids posts!!!

Craig

[raaaid]

what makes you think that the trim is in anyway assisted by the air? ...
LOL, can't believe i just spent 5 minutes, and so many words replying to one of raaids posts!!!

Craig

youre about to learn something new:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servo_tab

[bongodriver]

youre about to learn something new:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servo_tab

Raaid those are servo tabs and anti servo tabs, sometimes called balance/anti balance tabs, not trim tabs like the ones in game, true that aircraft with balance/anti balance tabs are trimmed throught them but they are a completely different thing.

[raaaid]

the wiki says

See also: Trim tab

its different name for the same thing, a trim tab is servoassisted by the wind force and should have never been delayed by the massive peoples nagging who werent able to handle stick and trim at the same time

maybe you see a difference on weather the tabs are controlled by a wheel or the stick but this doesnt change the fact theyre servo assisted

[Madfish]

I wouldn't say the effect of a trim tab is minor... ;)

There are many examples of how strongly the smallest surface can affect an airplane. Especially if the physical properties are right (or wrong) meaning structural integrity, weight etc.

Keep the p51 crashes in mind as they're good examples for this http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/aviation/crashes/how-a-small-piece-of-metal-caused-the-reno-air-race-crash-6481596

[bongodriver]

the wiki says

See also: Trim tab



not because they are the same thing.

Trim tabs are not servoassisted by airflow.

[Bolelas]

Well, when you trim you are not realy assisted by the wind, because the little surface still has to go on to airflow, but i understand what raaid says, if we know how it works it is logical to think like that. It becomes unmultiplied like in a pulley. But i dont think rotating a weel several turns will be faster than pulling or pushing the column control. Just my opinion, i am not plane expert.

[raaaid]

DO THIS EXPERIment:

dive in a 109 and use the stick, its so irresponsive

now do the same with the elevator trim, it responds smooth as silk

[GraveyardJimmy]

I have heard accounts of hurricanes in the far East falling into dives that were too steep to pull out of due to speed, only surviving by using elevator trim to slowly gain leverage to pull back the control column.

[raaaid]

exactly the wise comunity called this a bat turn and due to the outrage of people losing for not being able to control two things at the same time devs delayed the trim or supressed it practically

[ElAurens]

I think I saw this thread in oh, 2003 or 2004.

raaaid, you really do have a time machine don't you?