Luthier…Communication Is Everything.

[smink1701]

Luthier, many of us are obviously disappointed that the patch will not be available this week. It would be great to hear from to get an understanding on what went wrong with the graphics engine and when it might be fixed. We fully understand that things can change just as they did this week but a word from you would go a long way in lifting our spirits and calming the waters.

[David Hayward]

but a word from you would go a long way in lifting our spirits and calming the waters.

No, it won't. It will just start another complainathon.

[kristorf]

No, it won't. It will just start another complainathon.


So true, that's why I and many others only browse here now and rarely post anything

[addman]

So true, that's why I and many others only browse here now and rarely post anything

No other reasons for rarley posting then? Surely there must been tons of positive and interesting CloD experiences to post about.

[swiss]

It would be great to hear from to get an understanding on what went wrong with the graphics engine

Even if he told you, you'd most likely not understand the problem.
And, unless you can help them fix the bug(s) this is useless information.



and when it might be fixed.

He said they dont know. Seem clear to me. :confused:

[Ataros]

Luthier, many of us are obviously disappointed that the patch will not be available this week. It would be great to hear from to get an understanding on what went wrong with the graphics engine and when it might be fixed. We fully understand that things can change just as they did this week but a word from you would go a long way in lifting our spirits and calming the waters.

Both questions were answered yesterday:
- new artifacts appeared after assembly
- next week

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=31264

[ATAG_Colander]

Patience! is close!!!

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[ACE-OF-ACES]

No, it won't. It will just start another complainathon.
Agreed 100%

More detail only means more detailed whinning!

That is to say, giving us more detail will not fix the problem any sooner!

Mater of fact it could delay it due to the devs taking time out to fully described to us the bug they found.. and are in the process of fixxing.

Worst yet, more detail gives the 'professional' whiners here more opportunities to 'spin' what the devs said, such that the 'professional' whiners can than call the devs liars when something does not pan out 'exactly' the way the devs said/hoped it would.

[satchenko]

Patience! is close!!!

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Yes! Two weeks, no more...

[philip.ed]

Agreed 100%

More detail only means more detailed whinning!

That is to say, giving us more detail will not fix the problem any sooner!

Mater of fact it could delay it due to the devs taking time out to fully described to us the bug they found.. and are in the process of fixxing.

Worst yet, more detail gives the 'professional' whiners here more opportunities to 'spin' what the devs said, such that the 'professional' whiners can than call the devs liars when something does not pan out 'exactly' the way the devs said/hoped it would.

Professional? I'm intrigued. Do explain more AoA...

All I see are armchair observers (each with different opinions). One might call yourself a 'professional' whiner where Il-2 FM debates are concerned (for instance the great UP vs HSFX 'issues').

Each person is different. Some enjoy the team to explain everything to them in order to prevent their own accusations of mismanagement, others are happy to take the team's word as gold. Each to their own I guess.

At this stage I agree, another update would be entirely pointless. Knowing the issue won't fix the issue. But it would, conversely, cut down the 'can we have an update' topics.

Incidentally, David may suggest it will stop a 'complainathon', but in reality complains left in isolation are merely a series of postings. The real trouble happens when the trolls step in, as was shown yesterday.

Have a great Friday everyone :cool:

[McHilt]

:confused:Friday, oh crap it's friday already :-)... weekend! :mrgreen:
Have a nice weekend everybody... and no bad dreams about CloD development mishaps, I see a bright future.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

All I see are armchair observers (each with different opinions).
Which speaks volumes IMHO

Now if you want to sit here and make excuses for the whinners who call the devs liars.. Be my guest!

But don't expect me or any other adults here to be swayed by your excueses for calling the devs liars

Let alone spend any time arguing with you as to the merrits of calling devs liars

[Falstaff]

Hayward said

>>No, it won't. It will just start another complainathon. <<

Priceless. You can't even reply without automatically disagreeing (do you have an app for this...the 'iDavid'?). Doubly priceless given the subject matter.

Oh boundless, boundless irony....

[David Hayward]

The real trouble happens when the trolls step in, as was shown yesterday.

Tree_UK was spanked with 10 infraction points for his trolling yesterday.

[Falstaff]

Ace-of-Aces said:

>>More detail only means more detailed whinning!<<

Is that something a horse does, or the person who comes first in a race?

Nonsense btw

Of course a degree of commonsense applies. They can't give a de facto explanation of what they cannot yet resolve, and it's likely to be intricate, low-level, and go whzzing over the heads of the vast majority here.

But the underlying points about communication (and therefore trust) and a degree of earnestness is a good one.

With any other game and with any other launch you might think this request was laughable and/or fatuous.

But not with this one, especially a year on.

They still have a huge, huge amount of ground/sky to make up.

And stop trying to get Tree et al into trouble. It smacks of nothing more than the playground, as has been able demonstrated by other posts gone haywire.

Ben

[Falstaff]

Hayward said:

>>Tree_UK was spanked with 10 infraction points for his trolling yesterday. <<

And the fact you are revelling in it is, well...err....

I was also given 10 for (very mildly) insulting you. And worth every point I might add.

Ben

[David Hayward]

[QUOTE=Falstaff;412214]Hayward said:

>>Tree_UK was spanked with 10 infraction points for his trolling yesterday. <<

And the fact you are revelling in it is, well...err....
/QUOTE]

You are projecting. I was just posting some interesting information in response to his post,

[Tree_UK]

Tree_UK was spanked with 10 infraction points for his trolling yesterday.

Yep, i dared to ask BS if we could have some more information on the graphics failure, and i got 10 infraction points for Unacceptable behavior and apparently i was lucky not to get a ban! Not for trolling though david, unaccepatable behavior. Your in the clear though david, apparently and I got this from the Mod concerned, not one person as complained about you. So well done, it says alot about how much you are liked and how honest our mods are.

[Falstaff]

Hayward said:

>>You are projecting. I was just posting some interesting information in response to his post, <<

yes, yes, why yes you were...:rolleyes:

[Falstaff]

I've suggested to the mods they incorporate some thing into the Infraction system that deals with these constant fishing expeditions for arguments an dgetting others into trouble. Specifically to deal with posts like Hayward's and Aces et al.

If they want to play that tedious game, then it needs (tediously) dealing with... :-)

[Falstaff]

Tree, I have complained about him, and will continue to do so while this behaviour is kept up.

Touche turtle....

[David Hayward]

Yep, i dared to ask BS if we could have some more information on the graphics failure, and i got 10 infraction points for Unacceptable behavior and apparently i was lucky not to get a ban! Not for trolling though david, unaccepatable behavior. Your in the clear though david, apparently and I got this from the Mod concerned, not one person as complained about you. So well done, it says alot about how much you are liked and how honest our mods are.

Thanks for the correction!

[JG52Uther]

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[furbs]

Yep, i dared to ask BS if we could have some more information on the graphics failure, and i got 10 infraction points for Unacceptable behavior and apparently i was lucky not to get a ban! Not for trolling though david, unaccepatable behavior. Your in the clear though david, apparently and I got this from the Mod concerned, not one person as complained about you. So well done, it says alot about how much you are liked and how honest our mods are.

Then they are lying Tree, i know. :)

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That's quite funny Apha... lol

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Nonsense btw
That is your opinion and your welcome to it!

And if you want to defend those whinners who call the deve liar, be my guest!

As for me getting tree in trouble..

please..

He does fine on his own and has no one to blaim but himself

[Wolf_Rider]

I've suggested to the mods they incorporate some thing into the Infraction system that deals with these constant fishing expeditions for arguments an dgetting others into trouble. Specifically to deal with posts like Hayward's and Aces et al.

If they want to play that tedious game, then it needs (tediously) dealing with... :-)



and perhaps maybe include yours, and for the heck of it why not... anyones' who disagrees with something anyone might have to say?

look... as suggested - if they are so offensive to you, why not just put them into your Ignore List? at least that way, it will stop your whinging


@ Uther lolol :)

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Yep, i dared to ask BS if we could have some more information on the graphics failure, and i got 10 infraction points for Unacceptable behavior and apparently i was lucky not to get a ban! Not for trolling though david, unaccepatable behavior.
I am not a mod here..

but Ill just bet your infractions were due to you calling the dev's liars, not asking a question

[Falstaff]

Ace-of-Aces said:

>>And if you want to defend those whinners who call the deve liar, be my guest!<<

Nice try.

But it won't work.

[Falstaff]

Wolf Rider said:

>>and perhaps maybe include yours, and for the heck of it why not... anyones' who disagrees with something anyone might have to say?<<

No, it's more specific than that. As is clear.

>>look... as suggested - if they are so offensive to you, why not just put them into your Ignore List? at least that way, it will stop your whinging<<

No whinging here, just giving like for like. And while I'm at it, the garden is looking lovely, the rain has stopped, and, err...I think there's some merlot to be had soon, and a Tiger Beer calling me from the fridge.... :)

[ACE-OF-ACES]

But it allready has

[Tree_UK]

I am not a mod here..

but Ill just bet your infractions were due to you calling the dev's liars, not asking a question

Did i call them liars? No i didn't. Have the dev's ever lied to us in the history of this development? I'm sure most of the rational thinking people here know the answer to that question.

[XL5]

Oh, yeah....

Better Communication, adult behavior and anti-whining trolls...

Success indeed...

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Did i call them liars? No i didn't.
I beg to differ.. I recall you calling them liars in yesterdays update.. Which was later deleted

[Tree_UK]

I beg to differ.. I recall you calling them liars in yesterdays update.. Which was later deleted

Well you are completely wrong, that never happened, what did happen was that your 'house boy' David said that I called them liars but i never did, so you can go and dry your pants now the excitement is over.

[XL5]

Tree, be careful...hes got a gun...It is a good thing he's an "adult" like he loves to call himself...

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Well you are completely wrong, that never happened, what did happen was that your 'house boy' David said that I called them liars but i never did, so you can go and dry your pants now the excitement is over.
Really? Because I seem to recall you saying something along the lines of

Don't need the code, just the truth will do

Now I don't know where you live..

But where I come from, when you say you want the truth, that means your implying you have been lied to..

Wouldn't you agree?

Better yet, wouldn't most agree?

[Tree_UK]

Really? Because I seem to recall you saying something along the lines of



Now I don't know where you live..

But where I come from, when you say you want the truth, that means your implying you have been lied to..

Wouldn't you agree?

Better yet, wouldn't most agree?

I said that to David, not to the Dev's.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I said that to David, not to the Dev's.
Really does not mater who you said it to, you were refering to the devs

As in you don't need the 'code' from the devs, you need the 'truth' from the devs

[Buchon]

this thread just reached the Epic Facepalm mark :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-_sABor77E

[Tree_UK]

Really does not mater who you said it to, you were refering to the devs

As in you don't need the 'code' from the devs, you need the 'truth' from the devs

Of course we want the truth from the Dev's, so you actually want them to lie to you??

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Of course we want the truth from the Dev's, so you actually want them to lie to you??
Nice try

But the point your trying to avoid here is you called the devs liars... And I am pretty sure that is why you received your infraction points..

Or are you still asking us all to belive that you received infarction points from the mods for asking a simple question?

[Tree_UK]

Nice try

But the point your trying to avoid here is you called the devs liars... And I am pretty sure that is why you received your infraction points..

Or are you still asking us all to belive that you received infarction points from the mods for asking a simple question?

Well I have it in black and white, you see when you get an Infraction you get a reason why and a link to your post. Obviously you have never had one because you are such a valued forum member. If I had called the dev's liars i would of been banned end of. But i thank you for agreeing that asking a simple question does not deserve 10 infraction points, perhaps you could ask the mods to remove those points as like me you feel them to be completely unjustified. Thank you for your support.

Dear Tree_UK,

You have received an infraction at Official 1C Company forum.

Reason: Rule 1 - Unacceptable behavior
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Reported posts acted upon.........again.
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This infraction is worth 10 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

Original Post:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=411315

[ACE-OF-ACES]

If I had called the dev's liars i would of been banned end of.
If?

Well I think we have allready proved that you did

Thus IMHO you should thank the mods for not banning you and only giving you infraction points

[Tree_UK]

If?

Well I think we have allready proved that you did

Thus IMHO you should thank the mods for not banning you and only giving you infraction points

Sigh......

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Truth got you down?

[Tree_UK]

Truth got you down?

Look at the link to my infraction and then apologise. Im done with you now, everyone knows whats what here. Anyhow i'm sure the mod concerned will step in and explain.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Look at the link to my infraction and then apologise.

So let me see if I understand you correctly..

Your saying the following post i.e.

Thanks for the update Blacksix, when you had the first last minute glitch a long while ago, which was the decals I assume you tested everything and it was all running sweet apart from the decal issue, you then fixed all of that and tested again only to have a last minute glitch with the particles, now you have fixed that and now the next last minute glitch is with the graphics engine. How are all these issues connected?

Is why the mods gave you 10 infraction points

And your saying the following post i.e.

Don't need the code, just the truth will do

Translated..

You don't need the 'code' from the devs, you need the 'truth' from the devs

As in the devs have not given us the 'truth' thus far, aka the devs are lying.

Is not the reason you recived 10 infraction points

Is that what you want us to belive?

Or would it be more likely that one of the mods took pity on you, and instead of banning you for calling the devs liars he only gave you 10 infraction points..

See to me (and I am sure others) the latter seems more reasonable.

Im done with you now,
Promise?

everyone knows whats what here.
Agreed 100%

[Tree_UK]

So let me see if I understand you correctly..

Your saying the following post i.e.



Is what the mods why the mods gave you 10 infraction points

And your saying the following post i.e.



Translated..

You don't need the 'code' from the devs, you need the 'truth' from the devs

As in the devs have not given us the 'truth' thus far, aka the devs are lying.

Is not the reason you recived 10 infraction points

Is that what you want us to belive?

Or would it be more likely that one of the mods took pity on you, and instead of banning you for calling the devs liars he only gave you 10 infraction points.. See to me the latter seems more reasonable.


Promise?


Agreed 100%

No the post I made was the following which was removed by the Mod concerned, but david quoted it on the same page as the link to the infraction, This was the post - Could you ask someone please Blacksix, or get a better explanation rather than its the graphic engine. Many thanks

You could always simply ask the mod responsible which post he gave the infraction for, then you can apologise to me like the nice man you are. Then like you agreed earlier you can start a campaign to get those infraction points removed because like you have already stated I should not have got those infractions for asking a simple question. Many Thanks.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

No the post I made was the following which was removed by the Mod concerned, but david quoted it on the same page as the link to the infraction, This was the post - Could you ask someone please Blacksix, or get a better explanation rather than its the graphic engine. Many thanks
Ok allow me to update my post with your new infomation..

Your saying the following post i.e.

Could you ask someone please Blacksix, or get a better explanation rather than its the graphic engine. Many thanks

Is why the mods gave you 10 infraction points

And your saying the following post i.e.

Don't need the code, just the truth will do

Translated..

You don't need the 'code' from the devs, you need the 'truth' from the devs

As in the devs have not given us the 'truth' thus far, aka the devs are lying.

Is not the reason you recived 10 infraction points

Is that what you want us to belive?

Or would it be more likely that one of the mods took pity on you, and instead of banning you for calling the devs liars he only gave you 10 infraction points..

See to me (and I am sure others) the latter seems more reasonable.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Im done with you now
PS at what time was this to take effect?

Because to be honest, I am looking forward to it!

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[159th_Jester]

Ace, you're doing nothing more than trying to provoke Tree into a response that the mods would want to take action against.

Unless your English comprehension skills are below par, you would understand that Tree's post that you keep quoting referred to the request for more detailed explanation, not the information supplied by the devs on the whole. As such, he called no-one a liar.

I doubt very much there's anything wrong with your comprehesnion skills, so have to ask why you seem hellbent on provoking Tree into a response that will likely get him banned?

[II/JG54_Emil]

Hey look it´s Ace :grin:

He still lives, he still knows how to bend it and he still knows how to pick somebody and how to piss him off.

You are still a master Ace.
A true Ace. :-D

[Falstaff]

For the simple reason that Aces and Hayward always do this. For the sheer enjoyment of it.

It is a game that seems more important to them than the actual game at hand.

There has never been any substance behind it, and never will.

Further, they probably assume, correctly, that they enjoy a certain amount of leeway under the 'pro-Clod' umbrella.

Hence the various reponses.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Unless your English comprehension skills are below par, you would understand that Tree's post that you keep quoting referred to the request for more detailed explanation, not the information supplied by the devs on the whole. As such, he called no-one a liar.
That is your opinion and your welcome to it, just know that I and others don't agree with it! S!

[335th_GRAthos]

EXCELLENT!!!!!

One picture, a thousand words! Hold on, that is two pictures!!!!! :D

And the Eric Facepalm video, awesome! :D

Good to see that there are still ways to get a good laugh from time to time in this forum!

Thanks Uther and Buchon, it made my day :)

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[ACE-OF-ACES]

Further, they probably assume, correctly, that they enjoy a certain amount of leeway under the 'pro-Clod' umbrella.

Hence the various reponses.
But if that was true.. Than I would have never been banned.. Yet I have been banned (vacation) in the past.. Thus I think most would agree that your conspiracy theory does not hold much merit

[5./JG27.Farber]

Meh.

[Falstaff]

Ace-of-Aces said:

>>But if that was true.. Than I would have never been banned.. Yet I have been banned (vacation) in the past..<<

There is hope yet then.

>>Thus I think most would agree that your conspiracy theory does not hold much merit <<

No tinfoil here. What's this 'most' nonsense...? Playing to the imaginary gallery again?

Your posts generally have so much poop in them you could use them as a booster seat.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Falstaff.. you seem to have me confused with someone that considers your posts to have merit.. Let's clear this up here and now, I am not that person! SAVVY? :cool:

[Strike]

Guys, you guys... what is the OP again!? Seriously, take a few steps back and look at this mess you are creating. I think Alpha pretty much sums it up; the rest of the forum doesn't give a flying you-know-what. So why use this forum as your arena, when there are so many better solutions, than this forum, to argue more effectively?

It's like your rage-fit is completely clouding your judgement and you are crossing forum rules all the time acheiving nothing productive in the process. Each time a new thread titled "luthier, this" or "luthier, that" appears, he is probably looking at all this mess inside thinking "Geez, it's the last place i'd look for patch feedback/tips".

Guess what, you are most likely only ruining for yourselves, and everyone else here wanting to be heard.

I am reporting this thread requesting it locked. I am no moral police, it's just... at least I feel enough is enough.

[Falstaff]

Aces, save yourself the worry, son - no need to worry on my account.

[Buchon]

I am reporting this thread requesting it locked.

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[Insuber]

After populating my ignore list - first time in my life - with the three or four notorious provokers, I feel much better. Thank you for the suggestion Uther!

Re. the topic, I take this delay as a proof of the seriousness of the new team.

Cheers,
Insuber

[ACE-OF-ACES]

no need to worry on my account.
Agreed 100%

[addman]

"Aaaand here comes Ace! he tries his patented multi-qoute! Tree_UK dodges and counters with a repeat post! Looks like this one is going the full twelve people!"

[Wolf_Rider]

neh... they're only dogfighting without the aircraft, lol

[philip.ed]

Which speaks volumes IMHO

Now if you want to sit here and make excuses for the whinners who call the devs liars.. Be my guest!

But don't expect me or any other adults here to be swayed by your excueses for calling the devs liars

Let alone spend any time arguing with you as to the merrits of calling devs liars

I don't condone calling them liars at all. You're being the child, in this instance, in suggesting that I do, or have called them such a thing.

The allusion that information was being withheld was only divulged when the argument got heated, instigated by careful and malicious trolling.

[KG26_Alpha]

Unfortunately Tree UK is a stranger to the truth.

From Tree UK
"Your in the clear though david, apparently and I got this from the Mod concerned, not one person as complained about you. So well done, it says a lot about how much you are liked and how honest our mods are".

This whole sentence is fabricated following a PM conversation.

Understanding why someone would keep lying and misinforming other forum members to gain some higher form here is beyond me.


Lets hope we can have some threads now without the constant bickering.





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