Problems with the graphics engine?

[PotNoodles]

Problems with the graphics engine? Can someone please elaborate? So the last minute hitch is the graphics engine once again? I thought that was the first problem to be fixed and it had been fixed long ago. I could except all the other last minute hitches, but are we back to square one again? I really am confused now.

[Aer9o]

Problems with the graphics engine? Can someone please elaborate? So the last minute hitch is the graphics engine once again? I thought that was the first problem to be fixed and it had been fixed long ago. I could except all the other last minute hitches, but are we back to square one again? I really am confused now.

...it`s all secret mate!...hash...hash!:cool:

[PotNoodles]

This is just a constant circle of problems. Just when you think they have fixed one problem they mention another you assumed was already fixed.

[priller26]

Do they reach a point where they conclude..its just not fixable? I mean..I love the game and it has it is exceptional in many ways, however, not everyone can fix these complex graphic problems.

[Insuber]

Nothing to be confused about, bugs identification is an expected outcome of beta testing, in this case a "closed beta". Few days more - or weeks - of wait won't change our lives.

[PotNoodles]

Nothing to be confused about, bugs identification is an expected outcome of beta testing, in this case a "closed beta". Few days more - or weeks - of wait won't change our lives.

Nothing to be confused about? Are you sure about that? Each week we have been presented with a last minute hitch for how long now? You cannot keep talking about one last minute hitch each week because it makes people believe that all the other major problems have been fixed. I am not bothered about waiting, but I find it frustrating hearing about so many last minute hitches each week.

[Insuber]

Venting your frustration won't accelerate - nor slow down - the work of the devs. I suggest simply to revert to your second hobby in the wait - photography, sports, travels, reading, girls, whatever.

Cheers!

[Feathered_IV]

Often it comes down to staff telling the boss what they think he wants to hear. We can cure CTD's/boost performance by 50%/supply Stalingrad by air etc. The boss reports this as fact. Later on the results prove to be much less than those that were originally anticipated.

[PotNoodles]

Venting your frustration won't accelerate - nor slow down - the work of the devs. I suggest simply to revert to your second hobby in the wait - photography, sports, travels, reading, girls, whatever.

Cheers!

I don't live in these forums, but I do believe that venting frustration is what brought about this patch in the first place. I mean.. How would anyone ever know something was wrong unless someone opened their mouths about it? I am not talking about the patch right now, I am talking about the conflicting messages that keep coming out about it.

[ChocsAway]

Venting your frustration won't accelerate - nor slow down - the work of the devs. I suggest simply to revert to your second hobby in the wait - photography, sports, travels, reading, girls, whatever.

Cheers!

I think it's the incessant 'carrot dangling' that is causing more frustration than the actual wait. Whilst we all crave (and deserve) updates on the state of the new patch I feel that it's not a good or fair tactic to promise an imminent release for what has now been far too long a time.

I personally am happy to wait but I can see why people are getting wound up over the delay and the way it has been handled. I also think that the devs have to be very careful if they want their next release to be welcomed with open arms by those of us that still want to see CloD playable and to include the promised features.

I find it hard to believe that the devs are considering leaving CloD in a half finished state to concentrate their efforts on the next release, although I do realise that decision may not be totally under their control. Can they be trusted to give long term support to the next release? Do they expect people to blindly purchase the next release after the fiasco of CloD? Reading a lot of the comments on here over the last week or so I'd say that for many the trust is waning or no longer there. and that can only hurt the sales of any future releases.

I'd really like to see CloD completed to an acceptable standard first. For me, any future purchases depend on whether that happens or not.

[AKA_Tenn]

At this point... the only thing left to do is wait till this next patch comes out, when the dev team is ready to let us have it...

saying anything other than thanks to the devs is really doing nothing but harassing them, or just complaining for the sake of complaining... since its not like their just sitting on their butts doing nothing... if you find any big problems AFTER the patch is released, I'm sure there will be an official bug thread you can read to see if someone has already found your problem, then if nobody has, thats when you can voice your concern.

[Wolf_Rider]

This is just a constant circle of problems.




Development/ R and D is like that, expected and normal




Just when you think they have fixed one problem they mention another you assumed was already fixed.





Never assume (assumption is the Mother of all Disappointments and leads to great upset with only the assumer to blame)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfvTwv5o1Qs







Each week we have been presented with a last minute hitch for how long now? You cannot keep talking about one last minute hitch each week because it makes people believe that all the other major problems have been fixed. I am not bothered about waiting, but I find it frustrating hearing about so many last minute hitches each week.



most definitely untrue and partly to blame for scant information... some people just don't have the aptitude to comprehend properly

[satchenko]

Come on... where is my patch?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-I83_dlXJnng/TbL0V6OeV8I/AAAAAAAAAA8/SAuheTbvBt4/s1600/ira-ninios1.jpg

[PotNoodles]

@Wolf_Rider

It would be a weird world to live in if nobody ever assumed anything. I pay my staff their wages because I assume and even expect them to have done their jobs, if I never assumed anything then I may aswell give up my business tomorrow. Should I change the word to expect and just leave out the assumed in here? After all I have paid.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Yes, but those assumptions you have, like your workers doing their job is because you already have evidence that they did it last week, the week before, the week before that and so on. To assume something with absolutely no empirical evidence is fairly asinine.

That's why I don't complain or whine about stuff I know is being worked on. The IL2 dev team has a strong history of developing a great product and working through issues. Some aren't as timely as others, but unlike the other modern flight sims out there who's main priorities are making stupid stuff to sell, these guys are flat out working on the most glaring issues in the game. You should see how many glaring issues, for example, ROF has, 3 years after it's release.

The 1c team will not stop until they have a good product and the one they initially advertised. They are about the only dev team in all of flight simming that has actually prooved this while all the others throw their issues under the carpet or say things like it would cost millions to fix our game engine, etc.

So my assumption for this sim being fixed one day is the same for your assumption of your workers. They have a history of it. But constantly complaining about the same things over and over again isn't going to make it come out any faster. I don't need to make an assumption to know this. I wish others could understand.

[Wolf_Rider]

@Wolf_Rider

It would be a weird world to live in if nobody ever assumed anything. I pay my staff their wages because I assume and even expect them to have done their jobs, if I never assumed anything then I may aswell give up my business tomorrow. Should I change the word to expect and just leave out the assumed in here? After all I have paid.





LOLOL... you just assume your employees have done their job??


http://cpeople.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/laughing1.jpg?w=232&h=210

[Skoshi Tiger]

Yes, but those assumptions you have, like your workers doing their job is because you already have evidence that they did it last week, the week before, the week before that and so on. To assume something with absolutely no empirical evidence is fairly asinine.

That's why I don't complain or whine about stuff I know is being worked on. The IL2 dev team has a strong history of developing a great product and working through issues. Some aren't as timely as others, but unlike the other modern flight sims out there who's main priorities are making stupid stuff to sell, these guys are flat out working on the most glaring issues in the game. You should see how many glaring issues, for example, ROF has, 3 years after it's release.

The 1c team will not stop until they have a good product and the one they initially advertised. They are about the only dev team in all of flight simming that has actually prooved this while all the others throw their issues under the carpet or say things like it would cost millions to fix our game engine, etc.

So my assumption for this sim being fixed one day is the same for your assumption of your workers. They have a history of it. But constantly complaining about the same things over and over again isn't going to make it come out any faster. I don't need to make an assumption to know this. I wish others could understand.

A big +1!

No software ever has been completely free of bugs at release. There are problems that stop the product working and ones that can be worked around. Luckly for me I've never had the show stoppers in COD. Others have not been so lucky. But we all (should) know that inconsistant errors in software are the hardest ones to troubleshoot.

We have already been told by the developers the scope of the fixes that are contained in the upcomming patch. It will neither be perfect or complete post patch. This isn't a problem, it's is the natural way of software development.

Just like the original series I'm looking forward to the next nine or ten years of improvements and developments, upgrades and expansion packs.

Bring it on! (but only when it's ready!)

[PotNoodles]

LOLOL... you just assume your employees have done their job??


http://cpeople.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/laughing1.jpg?w=232&h=210

Yes, if I am not there then I can only assume that they have yes. But at the end of the day i'll know if they havn't.

[Tree_UK]

Personally I wish they would release the patch, the game is currently still in Alpha state for me, I cant play what i want to play for more than 20-30 minutes without a total crash, apparently this has been fixed, I would take that right now just so i can play the game i purchased all that time ago. It would be a step forward it would take the game from Alpha to a working beta. Simples.
Do I buy into all this last minute glitch BS, no.

[Sutts]

Yes, but those assumptions you have, like your workers doing their job is because you already have evidence that they did it last week, the week before, the week before that and so on. To assume something with absolutely no empirical evidence is fairly asinine.

That's why I don't complain or whine about stuff I know is being worked on. The IL2 dev team has a strong history of developing a great product and working through issues. Some aren't as timely as others, but unlike the other modern flight sims out there who's main priorities are making stupid stuff to sell, these guys are flat out working on the most glaring issues in the game. You should see how many glaring issues, for example, ROF has, 3 years after it's release.

The 1c team will not stop until they have a good product and the one they initially advertised. They are about the only dev team in all of flight simming that has actually prooved this while all the others throw their issues under the carpet or say things like it would cost millions to fix our game engine, etc.

So my assumption for this sim being fixed one day is the same for your assumption of your workers. They have a history of it. But constantly complaining about the same things over and over again isn't going to make it come out any faster. I don't need to make an assumption to know this. I wish others could understand.


+1

Well said, my thoughts exactly. Let's be happy the devs are still dedicated to the series. If they were going to drop CloD they would have done long ago.

[ZaltysZ]

Появились новые графические артефакты.

New video artifacts showed up.

That was an answer to question about what did not satisfy devs in testing results.

[Aer9o]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv4Hpz-GI3g

[carguy_]

Venting your frustration won't accelerate - nor slow down - the work of the devs. I suggest simply to revert to your second hobby in the wait - photography, sports, travels, reading, girls, whatever.

Cheers!
Nuff said.

[Aer9o]

Nuff said.

Yes ...but we deserve better..."problem with graphics engine" after all indications that the patch will be released this week is simply not good enough. I do think Ilia should pop over to this forum with some decent explanations on what went wrong, if it can be fixed and roughly how long it will take to fix those issues...we deserve that much I think... for our patience!

[carguy_]

I personally am happy to wait but I can see why people are getting wound up over the delay and the way it has been handled.
I`m too but doesn`t one bit excuse the same old nicks turning dev update threads into trashcans. Just go back to MAy`2011 posts and see them posting EXACTLY the same complaint forms. Sickening.


I also think that the devs have to be very careful if they want their next release to be welcomed with open arms by those of us that still want to see CloD playable and to include the promised features.I think it is not possible. I can`t think of any sure-BoM-buyers like me in this forum that think BoM is going to be bugfree. For this to happen, CloD must be fiexd in a 95% state at least. By now as much as I`m unhappy to say it, 1C has little credibility to realeasing initially playable sims.




I'd really like to see CloD completed to an acceptable standard first. For me, any future purchases depend on whether that happens or not.Sure, who wouldn`t like that. In 2007 I dreamed of going though the BoB campaign in an IL2 coop manner. Meanwhile they are working on BoM and they will have to release it eventually. And with that, all of the theaters of operations could be fixed and upgraded just like the old formula.

[Tree_UK]

Yes ...but we deserve better..."problem with graphics engine" after all indications that the patch will be released this week is simply not good enough. I do think Ilia should pop over to this forum with some decent explanations on what went wrong, if it can be fixed and roughly how long it will take to fix those issues...we deserve that much I think... for our patience!

+1 unfortunatley, asking this question to Blacksix got me a 10 point Infraction for............ Unacceptable behavior!

[carguy_]

Yes ...but we deserve better..."problem with graphics engine" after all indications that the patch will be released this week is simply not good enough. I do think Ilia should pop over to this forum with some decent explanations on what went wrong, if it can be fixed and roughly how long it will take to fix those issues...we deserve that much I think... for our patience!
I guess so. I mean just a Luthier thread with explanation of what the last bug is about and what are the views on the probable fix period (although Black6 already posted that it may take a week more).

One post locked sticky thread would do.

[PotNoodles]

Personally I wish they would release the patch, the game is currently still in Alpha state for me, I cant play what i want to play for more than 20-30 minutes without a total crash, apparently this has been fixed, I would take that right now just so i can play the game i purchased all that time ago. It would be a step forward it would take the game from Alpha to a working beta. Simples.
Do I buy into all this last minute glitch BS, no.

Exactly.

[Seyou]

I'm speechless:? ...and Honestly it seems all very strange..a joke?...bha' another week without flying....I mean..6 months almoust:evil:

[150GCT_Veltro]

But constantly complaining about the same things over and over again isn't going to make it come out any faster. I don't need to make an assumption to know this. I wish others could understand.

Yes, but may be we have the feeling that the same things people is complaing about over and over here, will be probably almost present also in the new alpha - beta patch: antialiasing, 2D sky, clouds, trees collision, multiplayer iusse, dots, CEM, ecc. ecc. ecc..

We all hope to be wrong, and to enjoy the new patch if it will be never released.

13 months from release, 6 months from the last patch.

[Codex]

Coding is not an exact science. There will always be bugs in any complex code you write, you're just going to have to live with it.

People should be thankful that the crew have come out and explained the situation. They're being open about whats going on which is a complete 180 from years ago.

Don't critise them, they can just as easily go back to not feeding you anything. Critising them will mean the community hasn't changed and it's better to say nothing, than front up here and put their hand up and say sorry guys you're going to have to wait a bit longer and still get their head bitten off.

I'd rather be told about a delay than sit here and not know anything.

[Dano]

They could also walk away from the project completely.

[FG28_Kodiak]

The most 'critiziser' would have problems to create a simple 'Hello World' - programm, and they don't understand that the main resource a dev-team need is time (and money of course). :rolleyes:

[Tree_UK]

Coding is not an exact science. There will always be bugs in any complex code you write, you're just going to have to live with it.

People should be thankful that the crew have come out and explained the situation. They're being open about whats going on which is a complete 180 from years ago.

Don't critise them, they can just as easily go back to not feeding you anything. Critising them will mean the community hasn't changed and it's better to say nothing, than front up here and put their hand up and say sorry guys you're going to have to wait a bit longer and still get their head bitten off.

I'd rather be told about a delay than sit here and not know anything.

I can live with bugs, but my game not running 13 months after release is much more than 'a bug'.

[Tree_UK]

They could also walk away from the project completely.

lol.

[Tree_UK]

The most 'critiziser' would have problems to create a simple 'Hello World' - programm, and they don't understand that the main resource a dev-team need is time (and money of course). :rolleyes:

Well of course that is very true, thats why we 'paid' 1C to do it for us, so far they have done it very badly.

[Dano]

Well of course that is very true, thats why we 'paid' 1C to do it for us, so far they have done it very badly.

No, you bought a (known faulty) product, you did not pay them to code a flightsim else it would have been a damn sight more expensive and you would be calling the shots instead of being drip fed misinformation.

[Tree_UK]

No, you bought a (known faulty) product, you did not pay them to code a flightsim else it would have been a damn sight more expensive and you would be calling the shots instead of being drip fed misinformation.

Well I dont remember any adverts saying 'warning this software is faulty', do you?

[Dano]

Well I dont remember any adverts saying 'warning this software is faulty', do you?

Well if you were looking for adverts announcing it you were looking at the wrong place, there was plenty of information coming out of Russia about the state of it before release over here.

[Tree_UK]

Well if you were looking for adverts announcing it you were looking at the wrong place, there was plenty of information coming out of Russia about the state of it before release over here.

ahh right, so nothing from the Dev's then by way of an apology before release?

[Dano]

ahh right, so nothing from the Dev's then by way of an apology before release?

Not that I'm aware of.

[addman]

They could also walk away from the project completely.

What would be different if they did? All we've had the last 6 months are "when, hopefully, later, soon, maybe, last minute bug etc" For me everything is just empty air until it sits installed on my SSD. Don't get me wrong, I have 2 copies of CloD so I guess that's the bare minimum to call me a fanboy, I love the series but nothing that has happened before, during and after the release of CloD is the community's fault, everything is on the devs. You can say anything you like but it won't change that fact. Walk away from which project anyway? CloD? that project is already finished according to the devs, just gonna fix some bugs and tweak some FM's and then we can continue our massive online coop wars a la BoB, right?:rolleyes:

These last minute bugs -however real they maybe- are turning in to a joke, a joke that has stopped being funny.

[Seyou]

Yes, but may be we have the feeling that the same things people is complaing about over and over here, will be probably almost present also in the new alpha - beta patch: antialiasing, 2D sky, clouds, trees collision, multiplayer iusse, dots, CEM, ecc. ecc. ecc..

We all hope to be wrong, and to enjoy the new patch if it will be never released.

13 months from release, 6 months from the last patch.

+1 ( Ciao veltro sono seyou del 51°;) )

[Dano]

What would be different if they did? All we've had the last 6 months are "when, hopefully, later, soon, maybe, last minute bug etc" For me everything is just empty air until it sits installed on my SSD. Don't get me wrong, I have 2 copies of CloD so I guess that's the bare minimum to call me a fanboy, I love the series but nothing that has happened before, during and after the release of CloD is the community's fault, everything is on the devs. You can say anything you like but it won't change that fact. Walk away from which project anyway? CloD? that project is already finished according to the devs, just gonna fix some bugs and tweak some FM's and then we can continue our massive online coop wars a la BoB, right?:rolleyes:

These last minute bugs -however real they maybe- are turning in to a joke, a joke that has stopped being funny.

What would be different? A far quieter forum I suspect :p

Not quite sure why you think I'm blaming the community though, another attempt to twist what I've said into something it isn't, the only thing the community is responsible for is their own purchase descisions.

Project as in, the series that is being worked on, not CloD in particular.

Agreed, it really isn't funny anymore and I absolutely agree with Tree that it stinks of BS.

[addman]

What would be different? A far quieter forum I suspect :p

Not quite sure why you think I'm blaming the community though, another attempt to twist what I've said into something it isn't, the only thing the community is responsible for is their own purchase descisions.

Project as in, the series that is being worked on, not CloD in particular.

Agreed, it really isn't funny anymore and I absolutely agree with Tree that it stinks of BS.

Ok Dano, I didn't restrain myself as good as I usually do there. No you didn't blame the community, that was irrationally written by me, sorry about that.

I'll try to formulate myself in a less emotional way this time. All I'm saying is for me it wouldn't matter if they stopped working on any projects since I'm not playing the current one at the moment and I won't play their next one either unless I see really good feedback from reviewers and the majority of simmers out there. For me, nothing would be different if they stopped any projects that they may or may not be developing.:)

[MBF]

Yes ...but we deserve better..."problem with graphics engine" after all indications that the patch will be released this week is simply not good enough. I do think Ilia should pop over to this forum with some decent explanations on what went wrong, if it can be fixed and roughly how long it will take to fix those issues...we deserve that much I think... for our patience!

I am not sure where you read that the patch would be released this week, the post I read had a big *IF* (no problems are found) on it. This is completely normal, I don't know why people get so anxious over this.

What exactly would accomplish getting Ilya to post some "decent explanations"? Surely it would not speed up the game engine patch, and considering they will be using said engine for their next release aswell, it is to be expected that they will either fix it or find a compromise solution. As for when this will happen... I don't think they have a crystal ball ;).

[Tree_UK]

What would be different if they did? All we've had the last 6 months are "when, hopefully, later, soon, maybe, last minute bug etc" For me everything is just empty air until it sits installed on my SSD. Don't get me wrong, I have 2 copies of CloD so I guess that's the bare minimum to call me a fanboy, I love the series but nothing that has happened before, during and after the release of CloD is the community's fault, everything is on the devs. You can say anything you like but it won't change that fact. Walk away from which project anyway? CloD? that project is already finished according to the devs, just gonna fix some bugs and tweak some FM's and then we can continue our massive online coop wars a la BoB, right?:rolleyes:

These last minute bugs -however real they maybe- are turning in to a joke, a joke that has stopped being funny.

Your quite right, Luthier as already walked away from the game, no more new aircraft, ships etc etc. The game is already dead, I guess we just financed the next one, but i am certain that Luthier being the great guy he is will give all those that purchased CLOD within the first month of release some kind of discount on the next release, thats the way a decent business works when they realise they fecked up at others expense. Right?

[carguy_]

I am not sure where you read that the patch would be released this week, the post I read had a big *IF* (no problems are found) on it. This is completely normal, I don't know why people get so anxious over this.

Veltro and Addman pointed out the facts which speak for themselves. There is no apparent proof that the work BlackSix and Luthier are forwarding to us. We only see forums posts so far and it is understandable that some choose to believe it (like me) and some do not. 6 months from the last patch is much time, for any already released game project.

In light of that, releasing the alfa patch might be a good way of showing that something actually is going on.

My only beef with such users demanding the alfa is that few months ago all they wanted is weekly updates. Now we have those updates yet they want even more. How is that ok vs the good will of the devs who sufficed to the weekly update demand?

[carguy_]

Your quite right, Luthier as already walked away from the game, no more new aircraft, ships etc etc. The game is already dead, I guess we just financed the next one, but i am certain that Luthier being the great guy he is will give all those that purchased CLOD within the first month of release some kind of discount on the next release, thats the way a decent business works when they realise they fecked up at others expense. Right?
I wanted to quote you on that as proof of trolling.

Additional BoB airfcraft aswell as their variants and ground units will be added with future game titles as it was with IL2.

You must have known that. Hence the troll report.

[fideco]

Not a big deal to wait a week or two, if the new patch really solves the issues..
In the meantime, going back to Il 2 1946 ...
Always nice and fun

[Tree_UK]

I wanted to quote you on that as proof of trolling.

Additional BoB airfcraft aswell as their variants and ground units will be added with future game titles as it was with IL2.

You must have known that. Hence the troll report.

Can you give me the source to that infomation please, the last I heard from BS was that there would be no more CLOD related models, I am not the only one who seems to think this is the case. we have already asked for British destroyers etc, and we have been told it will not happen.

[addman]

Can you give me the source to that infomation please, the last I heard from BS was that there would be no more CLOD related models, I am not the only one who seems to think this is the case. we have already asked for British destroyers etc, and we have been told it will not happen.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=28633

Question nr.4.

[Tree_UK]

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=28633

Question nr.4.

Thank you Addman, well there you have it Carguy in black and white, could you please retract my post as trolling. many thanks.

[kendo65]

... but i am certain that Luthier being the great guy he is will give all those that purchased CLOD within the first month of release some kind of discount on the next release,...

Maybe we'll all get a personally signed Alpha Tester certificate?

Something to put up on the wall...

[Tree_UK]

Maybe we'll all get a personally signed Alpha Tester certificate?

lol :grin::grin:

[carguy_]

Thank you Addman, well there you have it Carguy in black and white, could you please retract my post as trolling. many thanks.
The answer does not state anything from that which I quoted as your post. Hence trolling report non retracktable.

[Tree_UK]

The answer does not state anything from that which I quoted as your post. Hence trolling report non retracktable.

lol, ok but the statement from BS clearly states there will be no more new aircraft/models for CLOD all resourses are now working on BOM. Good luck with your trolling report.

[carguy_]

Tree_UK,
is English your native language?

[MBF]

lol, ok but the statement from BS clearly states there will be no more new aircraft/models for CLOD all resourses are now working on BOM. Good luck with your trolling report.
It clearly states that they will be added in the sequel, which is pretty much "will be added with future game titles as it was with IL2".

[OutlawBlues]

The only way for the developers to save face now is, Seppuku. They have brought shame and disgrace to the flight sim community. :cool:

[Tree_UK]

Tree_UK,
is English your native language?

Ok here it is again, Should I wish to not buy an add on then CLOD is dead.

Only new modifications of existing planes – of which there are very few left. Completely new aircraft or flyable versions of currently non-flyable planes are not planned for CoD.
New ground or other objects will not happen

[Krt_Bong]

All this conjecture and second guessing is just that, and really serves no one. We don't know what the artifacting is and right now maybe they don't know what is causing it but in my many years of building computers and trying to play the latest must have game, and some beta testing, I know it could be simple as changing to a different driver. We all want the patch and they know this, they have to get it right or they will never get BoM out the door. I'm sure that deep down they need it to not only have the community happy, but to insure they have jobs down the road. Bashing them or the company or rehashing the old arguments is pointless and muddles up the forum. Most of us have this game because we own the original, which is still being played on Hyperlobby so why don't you guys fire it up for a bit of nostalgia and maybe you'll be reminded of why we fly combat sims and be truly impressed when the patch does arrive, just my 2 cents

[carguy_]

Ok here it is again, Should I wish to not buy an add on then CLOD is dead.

Missed again.

Here you are.


Your quite right, Luthier as already walked away from the game, no more new aircraft, ships etc etc. The game is already dead, I guess we just financed the next one, but i am certain that Luthier being the great guy he is will give all those that purchased CLOD within the first month of release some kind of discount on the next release, thats the way a decent business works when they realise they fecked up at others expense. Right?


Additional BoB airfcraft aswell as their variants and ground units will be added with future game titles as it was with IL2.

4. Are there any plans to add a new aircraft or modifications, equipment and other objects to Cliffs of Dover before the sequel?
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Only new modifications of existing planes – of which there are very few left. Completely new aircraft or flyable versions of currently non-flyable planes are not planned for CoD.
New ground or other objects will not happen due to the fact that our previous attempts to add them were met with a universal “we don’t need this crap, why don’t you give us xyz instead” from the community. The ground modeling staff and myself have subsequently made the fully switch that department to the sequel.

You clearly said :

"Luthier as already walked away from the game, no more new aircraft, ships etc etc. The game is already dead(...)

Not the case at all.

The quote from Luthier said :

Only new modifications of existing planes - from the context of the sentence it means that CloD itself before release of BoM will gain few more variants of aircraft that are already in CloD.

Completely new aircraft or flyable versions of currently non-flyable planes are not planned for CoD.
New ground or other objects will not happen (...) The ground modeling staff and myself have subsequently made the fully switch that department to the sequel.

Which means no more new flyables & other units for CloD.

Now Battle of Moscow is to be set in two versions of install, just as original il2 addons : Forgotten Battles, Aces Expansion Pack, Pacific Fighters and Peshka. This means it can be installed alone or as addon over the earlier release, ie. the Cliffs of Dover. The IL2 release model suggests that Battle of Moscow will have additional aircraft and other units. Luthier nowhere said that it will be only Russian/German planes. For that you would have given a quote where the official plane list of BoM is. So far we don`t have that.
You do not know what content will BoM feature. The IL2 buisness model suggests that more English aircraft and units will be added to CloD with future releases such as BoM.
Switching the ground modelling staff does not mean that CloD additional content is abandoned. It will be added with releases after CloD.

You said that CloD is dead and there will be no more content for it. Moreover, you impute that Luthier said so. Above quotes prove that not only you are wrong. You are making things up.

But you know all that.You understand that. You just wanted to stirr the pot once more.

I`m just posting that so others can see your trolling.

[theOden]

Haha cardude, that so off it hurts to read all your effort.
:grin:

[ElAurens]

It's amazing to me that after a decade of experiencing the IL2 development model, that so many people here have no clue how it works, and how it will apply content additions and game operational fixes to the original title in the series, in this case, Cliffs of Dover.

What is it about the term "merged install" that is so hard to understand?

True, we will likely never see a flyable Defiant or Anson, but, there are other types that have every possibility of being added as the title progresses, ala' the original IL2.

I understand the frustration of our fellow "pilots" from the United Kingdom, as this is their signature air battle, and it holds a special place in their hearts and minds. For much the same reasons I have hoped for a "Flying Tigers" add on, but I am also adult enough to understand that neither the UK nor the USA are the primary market for this series. Russia is, and always will be.

Did that stop us from enjoying the sim in the early days when all we had (except for the P39) were VVS and Luftwaffe aircraft and scenarios? No.

Why should it be any different now?

[Tree_UK]

lol Carguy, whatever. I love your twist on things. the simple truth is this, if you dont wish to buy any future il2 products then CLOD is dead, you cannot argue with this it is a statement of fact.

[Buchon]

It's amazing to me that after a decade of experiencing the IL2 development model, that so many people here have no clue how it works

Deny so much ? guess so ...

They deny IL-2 features ... deny developers words ... then deny what they said ...

Some day they will deny his own existence and then implode :-P





You know what is a lol ?, The patch is vaporware !! http://i43.tinypic.com/t511lw.png


umm ... wait a sec ... is that a deja view ? :rolleyes:

[carguy_]

lol Carguy, whatever. I love your twist on things. the simple truth is this, if you dont wish to buy any future il2 products then CLOD is dead, you cannot argue with this it is a statement of fact.
Please read the post by ElAurens. If you are unhappy with the IL2 dev business model then you have chosen the wrong game.

Other than that we will have the user development kit.If only CloD gets rid of its performance problems, the kit will give CloD even more.

[David Hayward]

People are "not buying" that the beta testing found problems? Seriously? Why do you think they test software?

[ATAG_Bliss]

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[ATAG_Bliss]

Yes, but may be we have the feeling that the same things people is complaing about over and over here, will be probably almost present also in the new alpha - beta patch: antialiasing, 2D sky, clouds, trees collision, multiplayer iusse, dots, CEM, ecc. ecc. ecc..

We all hope to be wrong, and to enjoy the new patch if it will be never released.

13 months from release, 6 months from the last patch.

And if you'd take the time to actually read the forums you'd know the priorities in which that stuff will be fixed.

Its funny as I remember you as a ROF fan boy. Why aren't you asking when they are going to fix their game engine, master browser, DM/FM etc. Heck you can't even blow up a train in that game without the server coming to a halt.

Please direct me to your posts over on their forums complaining about the problems 3 years after release. I did it and as I said, they simply drag their issues under the carpet. I wish you acted the same on both forums. I always get a chuckle by those with agendas. Feathered is one of the funniest.

[Helrza]

Haha cardude, that so off it hurts to read all your effort.
:grin:

lol :D confirmed tree's point, and missed it alltogether :D

[Stirwenn]

At yet, the real question poisinning me is : "do i still trust 1c ?". As an old IL2 fan, i'd like to say yes but regard what they had perform... i'm in doubt.
Improvement about fps announced, great ! any screenshot of a fly over London with a single fps counter as fraps ? i'm just curious to have a look of it.

Dear Luthier, you and your team gave a lot of time of fun so take your time to release your patch but as for me this is your last bullet.


P.S : fanboys, send me pm as i don't read them ! therefore you may be helpful to the modos to keep the topic clean. Thx.

[fruitbat]

Same old same old.

Nothing new in this thread, the same people spouting out the same stuff, same entrenched positions, god i must of been bored to read all that.

[Tree_UK]

Same old same old.

Nothing new in this thread, the same people spouting out the same stuff, same entrenched positions, god i must of been bored to read all that.

Well it beats the repeating ' we have encountered a last minute glitch posts'. IMHO. :grin:

[ElAurens]

And if you'd take the time to actually read the forums you'd know the priorities in which that stuff will be fixed.

Its funny as I remember you as a ROF fan boy. Why aren't you asking when they are going to fix their game engine, master browser, DM/FM etc. Heck you can't even blow up a train in that game without the server coming to a halt.

Please direct me to your posts over on their forums complaining about the problems 3 years after release. I did it and as I said, they simply drag their issues under the carpet. I wish you acted the same on both forums. I always get a chuckle by those with agendas. Feathered is one of the funniest.

I gave up questioning RoF after the first year. I now accept it as a fun arcade FPS flight game that is a placeholder till new IL2/Cliffs/BoM (the series needs a new name BTW) is ready for serious play.

[150GCT_Veltro]

And if you'd take the time to actually read the forums you'd know the priorities in which that stuff will be fixed.

Its funny as I remember you as a ROF fan boy. Why aren't you asking when they are going to fix their game engine, master browser, DM/FM etc. Heck you can't even blow up a train in that game without the server coming to a halt.

Please direct me to your posts over on their forums complaining about the problems 3 years after release. I did it and as I said, they simply drag their issues under the carpet. I wish you acted the same on both forums. I always get a chuckle by those with agendas. Feathered is one of the funniest.

And you're the boy who left RoF and Syndicate to play CoD...... Ridiculous.

We all know the problem with entities in RoF and we suffered this problem ourself with FEOW campaign. Is a big problem as for others in multiplayer (gunnery, sniping and as said above entities). I've complains several times about this.

Priority? Priority is quite different from "to be joked", and actually RoF is still better than this fake, or trashed alpha.

Do you have fun with CloD in multiplayer? You are one of us who still believe in Luthier?

Good for you.

[seven3]

Hey why do you all worry about clod failing there are other awsome flight sims out there that do work like this http://riseofflight.com/en come and have some real fun. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UzZiIByxgQA

[taildraggernut]

Wow...Rise of flight.....thats awesome, why has nobody ever tried to advertise it here?

[seven3]

Yeah its a beautiful sim with a great community some of the best fun ive had on my pc. Plus there is the channel map coming soon with sea planes its gunna be awsome i cant wait. :)

[seven3]

I did try to give clod a chance but i was getting low fps. I did manage to join a multiplayer game though and did a bit of dogfighting i followed a 109 down low and i sort of lost him in a forest he flew though i thought strange why didnt he crash but before i could find him i got a ctd. So if anybody has any tips to improve my gameplay experience on clod so i dont ctd and stuff ill give it another shot.

[seven3]

I gave up questioning RoF after the first year. I now accept it as a fun arcade FPS flight game that is a placeholder till new IL2/Cliffs/BoM (the series needs a new name BTW) is ready for serious play.

Fun fps arcade? dude you wanna try it with the realism settings on its alot harder then. :confused:

[ElAurens]

I only fly it full real.

The FMs are dubious and the DMs have always been suspect.
It's lack of depth of content, it's poor GUI, awful implementation of human control of gunners, are problems.

And it still looks like a pastel post card to me, though it is better than it was on release.

Oh, and why is it always a clear sunny day?

And "The Front" is still a lifeless gray strip 3 years in.

We still have fun flying it, but as I said, as soon as CloD gets on it's feet, we will move on.

[seven3]

So you have flown real ww1 figters to compare the FM?
DMs i could say that about clod aswell
Rear gunners work ok for me and mates
Lack of depth of content career mode campaign mode?
pastel post card but no stutter like there is in clod
Last time i played clod it was a sunnyday aswell?
The towns and ports in clod seem lifeless too no body walking about?

And anyway why do you need to compare the two sims.? And if you did have to compare one sim to the other i would simply say one works and the other dont. I didnt come here to troll or flame i come here to try to tell you there are other sims out there apart from clod so why not go have some fun on them and leave the devs to get on with it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL5wei4phz0

[Talon89]

The only way for the developers to save face now is, Seppuku. They have brought shame and disgrace to the flight sim community. :cool:

This made me LOL.

Seriously though, I hope they're embarrassed at this point, it's been over a year, and the game is still not something I would consider ready for release. It's just... bizarre.

[ElAurens]

So you have flown real ww1 figters to compare the FM?
DMs i could say that about clod aswell
Rear gunners work ok for me and mates
Lack of depth of content career mode campaign mode?
pastel post card but no stutter like there is in clod
Last time i played clod it was a sunnyday aswell?
The towns and ports in clod seem lifeless too no body walking about?

And anyway why do you need to compare the two sims.? And if you did have to compare one sim to the other i would simply say one works and the other dont. I didnt come here to troll or flame i come here to try to tell you there are other sims out there apart from clod so why not go have some fun on them and leave the devs to get on with it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL5wei4phz0

So predictable.

And just like SimHQ, go straight for the personal attack on anyone who dares point out R0F's flaws.

Added to ignore list.

Be sure.

[Heliocon]

Sorry to say it but: Someone needs to be fired, either the coder or the managment because in the end it IS someone's fault. You cant run a company like this...

[CWMV]

So predictable.

And just like SimHQ, go straight for the personal attack on anyone who dares point out R0F's flaws.

Added to ignore list.

Be sure.

Im a fan of that list as well.

Let me rephrase his little rant.
What leads you to believe that the FM/DM's are suspect? Its difficult to find detailed, rock solid info on WW2 aircraft, I cant imagine its any easier for the warbirds of the great war, and not many pilots to ask either.

As to the appearance, I guess we just agree to disagree. I quite like the way it looks.

Also, did warplanes of that era do much flying during bad weather?

PM me if you feel like it, kinda off topic...

[PotNoodles]

Yes, but those assumptions you have, like your workers doing their job is because you already have evidence that they did it last week, the week before, the week before that and so on. To assume something with absolutely no empirical evidence is fairly asinine.

How is it foolish to think like this when there is evidence from IL2 that they are capable of making a good flight sim? This is a total turn around from what we know they are capable of doing. One year later and still no results is a bit of a joke for a paying customer if you ask me.

[FS~Phat]

Sorry to say it but: Someone needs to be fired, either the coder or the managment because in the end it IS someone's fault. You cant run a company like this...

A lot of changes have happened over the last few years, including Oleg leaving. Draw your own conclusions from that, but what makes you think they havent already made other significant changes to the team. Its publicly known that the team is now bigger and different than it was before CLOD was released originally and its pain staking work to go through someone elses code. It takes time to fix but at least they are committed to fixing it. The other option was to abandon the project which they clearly have not done. They are committed to making this the highest fidelity WW2 flightsim ever and Im very hopeful they will get there.


How is it foolish to think like this when there is evidence from Il2 that they are capable of making a good flight sim? This is a total turn around from what we know they are capable off. I don't get your point? One year later and still no results is a bit of a joke for a paying customer.

See above... yes it was broken, no one has denied that, but they are committed to fixing it. We all wish the circumstances were different, but we are where we are and they have a plan to fix it. Thats about all we can hope for. If your really that dissatisfied, take it up with the publisher. If like most of us you want to see it succeed, just have a little more patience.

The game was under development for years and they are trying desperately to rewrite a lot of code in only 1 year. Maybe they dont deserve a fair-go from the community, but if you want this series to succeed, thats your only option. Otherwise it might be time for those that dont have the patience to move on and leave the frustration behind you. Its only a game. :)

[strom32]

I've been waiting for this patch to buy Clod. Still playing 1946. Should be great when its good to go.

[ATAG_Bliss]

And you're the boy who left RoF and Syndicate to play CoD...... Ridiculous.

We all know the problem with entities in RoF and we suffered this problem ourself with FEOW campaign. Is a big problem as for others in multiplayer (gunnery, sniping and as said above entities). I've complains several times about this.

Priority? Priority is quite different from "to be joked", and actually RoF is still better than this fake, or trashed alpha.

Do you have fun with CloD in multiplayer? You are one of us who still believe in Luthier?

Good for you.

What? WE left syn because of many reasons. One of which happened to be I'm a WWII guy yes. But when you have a leader that yells at people on a server when he gets shot down / vulched (aka no rules are broken) and proceeds to rage into oblivion deleting channels in a TS server with active players in it, trying to take forums/website, etc. that I pay for, I'm sorry but if we wanted to hang around children, I'd go to daycare. Then you have another individual that claims to be a friend you help out with loaning money and basically tells you to get bent when you finally wonder if he's ever going to pay you back, I'd hardly call individuals like that worth hanging around.

We started ATAG to get away from that mentality and it's quite clear with how much we've grown and the laid back, nice, honest people that we've surrounded ourselves with that we should have done this along time ago. But hey, if you want to surround yourself with individuals like that, good for you m8. I'll stick with people that are both true to their word and are really friends.