How about some more content for CloD

[addman]

Some new content would be nice, DLC is not a new thing anymore. I guess the reason is that they have too much to deal with, with CloD and upcoming BoM. Instead of making an expansion they should have - IMO - just kept fixing CloD and creating content for it. It's the same thing as an expansion but they drip feed instead so the game stays fresh and they get a nice continuous stream of dough coming in. I know a lot of people are hating on DLC but if all it took for a new map and a few more flyables was 10-15€, I'd gladly pay that. Let's face it, BoM will basically be a DLC collection pack but they are selling it as a stand-alone expansion.

On the other hand I can see why they are selling it as a stand-alone expansion, after all who would buy CloD after all the negative reviews just so they can install BoM on top of it? Yes, you would, banana boy but not average Joe. It's a conscious decision that they have made so I'm not holding my breath for any DLC at all, just throwing it out there. They've put all their eggs in one basket, let's hope it doesn't break, eh. :)

P.S Happy Orthodox Easter to the dev team

[Dano]

Slightly off topic but it'd be really nice if there was the option to download campaigns, missions and mods using the steam workshop feature that Skyrim uses, at least then new community created stuff would be visible instead of being hidden in various forums around the internet.

[Flanker35M]

S!

+1 to Dano's suggestion. Nothing is more frustrating than to chase a mod or file all over the internet.

[Tavingon]

Very much agreed, CLOD for me needs a few more new things just to keep it fresh, a new plane here or there wouldn't hurt, would keep the game fresh in people's minds on steam and give dribs and drabs of income:-P

[tintifaxl]

If any of you are into offline campaigns, I can recommend Wick vs. Dundas by desastersoft. In version 2.0 they have added a career mode with promotions, medals and what not.

They have now an English version available for download, even a demo. http://www.desastersoft.com/en/downloads.html

[Tavingon]

I'm BURSTING for some new flyables man, a heavy bomber sure would be nice

http://static.desktopnexus.com/thumbnails/998126-bigthumbnail.jpg

[addman]

I'm BURSTING for some new flyables man

Me too, I'd be happy if they just could slap a cockpit on some of the planes that are already in the game, like the Cr.42, Defiant, Walrus etc. I know it takes time to do it though and I guess they just don't have the resources.:(

[Tavingon]

Me too, I'd be happy if they just could slap a cockpit on some of the planes that are already in the game, like the Cr.42, Defiant, Walrus etc. I know it takes time to do it though and I guess they just don't have the resources.:(

I really don't know why it wasn't done sooner. Watch this, its almost complete just probably needs the cockpit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXhG6DFjaDY

[GraveyardJimmy]

I really don't know why it wasn't done sooner. Watch this, its almost complete just probably needs the cockpit



A cockpit takes one person 6 months apparently. Those resources are being used for BoM I assume.

Luthier has also stated that AI flight models use simplified engine management, so that would need to be done.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Slightly off topic but it'd be really nice if there was the option to download campaigns, missions and mods using the steam workshop feature that Skyrim uses, at least then new community created stuff would be visible instead of being hidden in various forums around the internet.

Theres campaigns to download at airwarfare:Storm of war...

http://airwarfare.com/sow/index.php

Downloads are here:

http://airwarfare.com/sow/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&view=viewcategories&Itemid=73

[ParaB]

Watch this, its almost complete just probably needs the cockpit
That's like saying: "I got a shiny new car! All it needs is an engine, transmission gear, brake system, electrics, suspension, and a few other minor details."

:grin:

[mazex]

If they fix the base CloD game with the Grail Patch(tm) there is a long list of planes that I would happily pay to fly like in RoF where I have bought all planes and few of them at discount... And I don't even fly RoF ;)

A DLC price list of flyables like this would make me buy them all on day one:

$15 - Wellington
$15 - Westland Whirlwind
$15 - Beaufighter
$10 - Flyable Defiant
$10 - Fairey Battle

Oups, that's more than I will pay for BoM when it gets done :)

[addman]

If they fix the base CloD game with the Grail Patch(tm) there is a long list of planes that I would happily pay to fly like in RoF where I have bought all planes and few of them at discount... And I don't even fly RoF ;)

A DLC price list of flyables like this would make me buy them all on day one:

$15 - Wellington
$15 - Westland Whirlwind
$15 - Beaufighter
$10 - Flyable Defiant
$10 - Fairey Battle

Oups, that's more than I will pay for BoM when it gets done :)

I bid 15€ for a flyable Cr.42 and 10€ for a flyable Walrus. I don't care if it will cost more then the BoM expansion, I'm more interested in above mentioned aircraft and I am therefor willing to pay more, it's called supply and demand i.e I'm willing to pay premium for what I consider to be premium. I don't really want an eastern front expansion just yet therefor I wouldn't want to pay more than ooo...maybe 12€ for it. Who cares about what I want though, it's all about catering to the Russian market right?

[VO101_Tom]

...Let's face it, BoM will basically be a DLC collection pack but they are selling it as a stand-alone expansion. ...


IMHO the DLC means totally different system (Like RoF). The BoM is a standalone, complete game, which compatible with the previous versions. It contain totally new features, and -of course- DLC like content too.

[VO101_Tom]

That's like saying: "I got a shiny new car! All it needs is an engine, transmission gear, brake system, electrics, suspension, and a few other minor details."

:grin:

same thought :grin:

Wellington engine CEM, cocpit 3D, cockpit animations, cockpit sounds, unique equiptments programming, crew positions programming, cameras programming... IF the AI FM is simplified like AI CEM, then complex FM programming... hmm... good luck with the flyable MOD ;)

[Verhängnis]

Slightly off topic but it'd be really nice if there was the option to download campaigns, missions and mods using the steam workshop feature that Skyrim uses, at least then new community created stuff would be visible instead of being hidden in various forums around the internet.

Airwarfare, run by Gamekeeper from Mission4Today, so I don't really I understand what you want. And apart from missions, paintschemes, what other mods or community created content is there?

As for DLC, it's not gonna happen. It's not the business model for CoD, and asking money for more content won't make it arrive any faster! You are going to get it for free, although feel free to donate to Luthier if you really feel that you 'owe' "them" something.

[addman]

Airwarfare, run by Gamekeeper from Mission4Today, so I don't really I understand what you want. And apart from missions, paintschemes, what other mods or community created content is there?

As for DLC, it's not gonna happen. It's not the business model for CoD, and asking money for more content won't make it arrive any faster! You are going to get it for free, although feel free to donate to Luthier if you really feel that you 'owe' "them" something.

What will I get for free? New planes? Luthier has already said there will not be any new planes for CloD and BoM will cost money so I'm not sure what you are talking about here.

[Dano]

Airwarfare, run by Gamekeeper from Mission4Today, so I don't really I understand what you want.

I want it accessable from the steam workshop instead of having to search for it on various websites.

[Verhängnis]

What will I get for free? New planes? Luthier has already said there will not be any new planes for CloD and BoM will cost money so I'm not sure what you are talking about here.

In patches there will be more content added for free, just like the original IL-2.
And soon the modders will get their hands busy at creating more free content, like it has always been.

[addman]

In patches there will be more content added for free, just like the original IL-2.
And soon the modders will get their hands busy at creating more free content, like it has always been.

There won't be any more planes added in patches for CloD, luthier has said so himself. Modders? You mean modders as in UP modders? No thank you. I want MG tested additions like it was before modders cracked and flooded il-2 46 with horrid looking models/cockpits (some are nice I admit that).

Listen, the system I want is the pre-hacked il-2 46 system where a 3rd party modeler created a 3D model of a plane and/or cockpit and sent it to Oleg, they checked it at MG to make sure it was all good and then approved it for the next patch on the schedule. That's all I want and I'm willing to pay for add-on planes if it speeds things up because now it's been over a year since CloD was released, how many 3rd party planes do we have so far? nada! and I'll bet another year will pass before we see the first one rolling out in a patch. 1 plane every 2 years? I'll be middle aged (no offense to the elders of the forum) before we have even one complete planeset for only one theater.

[Verhängnis]

Ok, so he said there will be no more aircraft in patches for CoD, as they are working on BoM now - but who is to say this will still be the case a year or two down the hill.

I see your point about aircraft or content being submitted, but only the most dedicated modders will ever see their stuff included officially - that's a fact because not everyone will meet the 'standards' or 'expectations' from 1C or someone like you. On the other hand, I would rather have 10 aircraft from mediocre modders than 2 from a team of guys who meet the requirements.

And simply, if you don't like it then don't download it - besides once those aircraft (3d models) are submitted, FM's and code will need to be written, whereas is these tools were availible to modders in the first place then there is no reason not to expect or look forward to hiqh quality work - especially after what MG sold to us. :rolleyes:

Even if 3rd parties sent 3d models to Luthier, these if done by a team or a proffesional should take no longer than a few weeks (Full time which is never the case) and the other FM & Code work required will take forever! Because 1C will alway be working on what they want and any 3rd party work will be of a "low priority".

If 1 plane takes a year to create then why are you asking for DLC? Are you going to pay them before they give you what you want? Otherwise how else is money going to progress content faster, if the people working on it are limited by time...

There won't be any more planes added in patches for CloD, luthier has said so himself.


If there is going to be no more content for CoD in Patches, then why are you even asking for DLC? :confused:

[addman]

Ok, so he said there will be no more aircraft in patches for CoD, as they are working on BoM now - but who is to say this will still be the case a year or two down the hill.

I see your point about aircraft or content being submitted, but only the most dedicated modders will ever see their stuff included officially - that's a fact because not everyone will meet the 'standards' or 'expectations' from 1C or someone like you. On the other hand, I would rather have 10 aircraft from mediocre modders than 2 from a team of guys who meet the requirements.

And simply, if you don't like it then don't download it - besides once those aircraft (3d models) are submitted, FM's and code will need to be written, whereas is these tools were availible to modders in the first place then there is no reason not to expect or look forward to hiqh quality work.

Even if 3rd parties sent 3d models to Luthier, these if done by a team or a proffesional should take no longer than a few weeks (Full time which is never the case) and the other FM & Code work required will take forever! Because 1C will alway be working on what they want and any 3rd party work will be of a "low priority".

If 1 plane takes a year to create then why are you asking for DLC? Are you going to pay them before they give you what you want? Otherwise how else is money going to progress content faster, if the people working on it are limited by time...

Ugh, I don't have the energy for these types of arguments anymore. We have different views at DLC, I give up.

[mxmadman]

I would not expect any new content for Clod, as there is no money in it. They're more likely to save any new models or maps or features for the release of the ... ehem.. "sequel" since they will be charging. The more it looks like this "sequel" has to offer, the more they will sell.

The same goes for SDK and modders - they will not provide the tools for us to make certain content until they're done charging us for similar content. Why would anyone pay for it when the modders give it away for free?

[csThor]

Why would anyone pay for it when the modders give it away for free?

Err ... because 90% of the "mods" aren't worth the time it takes to open the browser, enter the address, look for the link, download it, install it, check it in-game and then throw it off the HDD again? ;)

[Wolf_Rider]

Its not like me to be a bit cynical... but the cries of DLC seem to be coming from the same people who whinge about TrackIR and some operating systems being too expensive, lol

The concept of DLC is fine, as long as a MP mission doesn't require all flyers to be running the same add ons... ie no-one is forced to DLC to fly in any/ all MP missions.
It could get really messy and really ugly, really quickly especially if user modded FM's become available

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Some new content would be nice
New content is allways nice.. And as 1C has stated, new content will be handled the same way it was done with IL-2.. i.e. sequals

Personally I like the RoF method better, where you pay for individual items.. The nice thing about the RoF method is you get a quicker turn around on new content, and you can pick and choose the content that is important to you

[addman]

New content is allways nice.. And as 1C has stated, new content will be handled the same way it was done with IL-2.. i.e. sequals

Personally I like the RoF method better, where you pay for individual items.. The nice thing about the RoF method is you get a quicker turn around on new content, and you can pick and choose the content that is important to you

That's what I'm interested in.

[GraveyardJimmy]

I prefer larger expansions, not only is it cheaper but you get a big bunch of stuff at once.

Rise of flight is all based on one large map so it makes sense (though channel map is coming) as they dont need to keep giving new theatres. Had RoF released all at once with lots of planes they couldn't really have done many expansions.

WW2 is so much larger that paying ROF costs would be ridiculous- 10-15$ an aircraft, 20$ a map and 10$ a campaign would be exorbitant.

This way you get a big bunch of aircraft and a map for a standard price. For example, I would prefer a BoB extra pack for say $15 (including nightfighters, french aircraft, bombers flyable) rather than having to pay $10 for every single aircraft they prefer to add (like in RoF).

[VO101_Tom]

Personally I like the RoF method better, where you pay for individual items.. The nice thing about the RoF method is you get a quicker turn around on new content, and you can pick and choose the content that is important to you

IMOH the infexibility of the planeset (and maps) the biggest disadvantage of this. There is no problem, if you play offline, or "All in" servers only. But the historical missions, online wars need any planes, and any maps. You win nothing with this "expensive, but don't have to buy all" system. In the end, you have to buy all of them (at least in your side).

I doubt, the devs make unique planes, because of DLC system. If the customers don't buy it, just a waste of money (lot money). :rolleyes:

[Ataros]

I hope in a couple of years MSFS add-ons devs turn their attention to Il-2 engine and produce some quality DLC.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

IMOH the infexibility of the planeset (and maps) the biggest disadvantage of this.
infexibility of planeset? Can you expand on this? Because I am not sure what you mean by that

infexibility of maps? Granted not every inch of euro, let alone all the other areas of conflict are on the map.. But since the majority of WWI air battles, or at least the best known, can be simulated using this map, I don't see how they are infexibil? Also note, RoF is working on a new map as we speak.. So again, not sure what you mean by infexibility

[Tavingon]

New content is allways nice.. And as 1C has stated, new content will be handled the same way it was done with IL-2.. i.e. sequals

Personally I like the RoF method better, where you pay for individual items.. The nice thing about the RoF method is you get a quicker turn around on new content, and you can pick and choose the content that is important to you

I agree

[furbs]

New content is allways nice.. And as 1C has stated, new content will be handled the same way it was done with IL-2.. i.e. sequals

Personally I like the RoF method better, where you pay for individual items.. The nice thing about the RoF method is you get a quicker turn around on new content, and you can pick and choose the content that is important to you

Finally something i agree with.
I would pay good money for a IL2 style COOP set up.

[David Hayward]

I also prefer the RoF model. A steady supply of new planes is better than occasional sequels.

[Tavingon]

Ive said it manytimes as have others.. my money is on the table, I'm keen to buy whatever is on offer within reason:-)

[VO101_Tom]

infexibility of planeset? Can you expand on this? Because I am not sure what you mean by that

infexibility of maps? Granted not every inch of euro, let alone all the other areas of conflict are on the map.. But since the majority of WWI air battles, or at least the best known, can be simulated using this map, I don't see how they are infexibil? Also note, RoF is working on a new map as we speak.. So again, not sure what you mean by infexibility

I think you can agree that the DLC systems are very expensive (was invented for this reason :rolleyes:). If we assume that the great majority of users can not buy the whole package because of this, i wonder, how can you make online wars, or historical servers with locked planeset. If the pilots fly only their favorite planes? I don't want this would be the future: couple of huge maps, with 2-3 flyable types... :(

I dont fly in RoF, i dont know how it work. There is any historical online war? Or historical dogservers? Accurate date and theatre with accurate planeset?
Even if yes, i think, there is much more theatre, much more maps, and much more planes during ww2... lots of maps, lots of machines, even if only collect of your favorites ...

[addman]

I'm just gonna say that I'd rather have a flyable Fiat Cr.42 than an IL-2 and I'd much rather fly over the Mediterranean then over Russian steppe wastelands. Still, I will buy BoM because let's face it, what else is there? RoF? I already own that and it's a great sim, truly is, too bad I have near to 0 interest in WWI kites, I just bought it because I got the Iron Cross Edition something something for 6$ at a sale.

[VO101_Tom]

I'm just gonna say that I'd rather have a flyable Fiat Cr.42 than an IL-2 and I'd much rather fly over the Mediterranean then over Russian steppe wastelands. Still, I will buy BoM because let's face it, what else is there? RoF? I already own that and it's a great sim, truly is, too bad I have near to 0 interest in WWI kites, I just bought it because I got the Iron Cross Edition something something for 6$ at a sale.

Ok, i understand this, but I doubt the DLC system ever introduced, the devs will develop unique aircrafts, which built in small numbers. Ok, you offer you 15-20$, but how many customers will buy it worldwide? How many customer will buy the Cr.42 rather than any jankee or jerry favorite types. Maybe the italian and hungarian pilots :) Unique Locations is the same.

I dont like the DLC systems, maybe my mistake, or bad experience, but I think the DLC is only cash machine. :rolleyes:

http://iaro.3dmax.hu/images/2012/03/13/3237335_460s_v1.jpg

[addman]

Ok, i understand this, but I doubt the DLC system ever introduced, the devs will develop unique aircrafts, which built in small numbers. Ok, you offer you 15-20$, but how many customers will buy it worldwide? How many customer will buy the Cr.42 rather than any jankee or jerry favorite types. Maybe the italian and hungarian pilots :) Unique Locations is the same.

I dont like the DLC systems, maybe my mistake, or bad experience, but I think the DLC is only cash machine. :rolleyes:

http://iaro.3dmax.hu/images/2012/03/13/3237335_460s_v1.jpg

First off, I'm not saying that DLC should be the only way forward, I merely want it as a compliment to bigger expansions/sequels. The RoF is doing DLC 100% and they are still alive and kicking, MG could continue to do their thing and sell expansions/sequels but also offer DLC in-between. I doubt we will see many freebie planes in free patches this time around anyway, as pointed out it is too time consuming (=expensive) to just give away free flyables. It's not like in IL-2 times anymore.

DLC is a bad thing if let's say you are selling content that is already in the game and will be unlocked after you pay a fee and receive an activation code for said feature or item, that's a bad example. If the devs could allocate a couple of modelers for full time DLC work, we would see new flyables drop out maybe a few times/year or more. Sometimes all that is needed is the cockpit of an already existent plane and it takes time I know but by now they surely have some framework/standard procedures that they are working from to minimize development time of said cockpit don't you think?

Also smaller stuff, a new outfit for the pilot models for a few €, ok I'll buy that, minimal development cost and many will likely buy it. I'm all for DLC if it is handled properly, don't get me wrong there are many bad examples out there.

P.S I'm also doubting that DLC will ever be available for the new IL-2 series but if it will, I'll be the first chump in line...oh! wait let me re-phrase that. I will be the second chump in line right behind Tavingon with a fist full of €. ;) :D

[Tavingon]

First off, I'm not saying that DLC should be the only way forward, I merely want it as a compliment to bigger expansions/sequels. The RoF is doing DLC 100% and they are still alive and kicking, MG could continue to do their thing and sell expansions/sequels but also offer DLC in-between. I doubt we will see many freebie planes in free patches this time around anyway, as pointed out it is too time consuming (=expensive) to just give away free flyables. It's not like in IL-2 times anymore.

DLC is a bad thing if let's say you are selling content that is already in the game and will be unlocked after you pay a fee and receive an activation code for said feature or item, that's a bad example. If the devs could allocate a couple of modelers for full time DLC work, we would see new flyables drop out maybe a few times/year or more. Sometimes all that is needed is the cockpit of an already existent plane and it takes time I know but by now they surely have some framework/standard procedures that they are working from to minimize development time of said cockpit don't you think?

Also smaller stuff, a new outfit for the pilot models for a few €, ok I'll buy that, minimal development cost and many will likely buy it. I'm all for DLC if it is handled properly, don't get me wrong there are many bad examples out there.

P.S I'm also doubting that DLC will ever be available for the new IL-2 series but if it will, I'll be the first chump in line with a fist full of €. :D

I agree, a small team who could generate a modest, steady income and lots of joy for gamers.. if you dont want to buy it you dont have to.. it will just be bonus planes for new big theatres say;)

[carguy_]

I do not think that comparing a potential dlc packs in flight sims to other game types (like the dreaded Bioware dlcs for example) does the case justice.

Dlc with Clod would simply be about providing the devs something to do anytime as there is heaps of wanted content. And something in return for their hard work. That said I do think that 20-30$ expansion packs are too rare - take a little too long to make and IMO the price per plane is too low. As much as I wouldn`t like say 5 plane packs listed foe 50$ (because I think it is crazy), I know that there always has been a part of the community that wants to pay good money even for a single aircraft. Why not take advantage of that?As for the dlcs splicing the community, I don`t believe it. Seen Aces Exp. Pack get released, the Peshka pack. Eventually all of the people got the planes.

[Wolf_Rider]

expansion packs are bit different to what most would understand as DLC though.... Content vetted by, checked by, sanctioned and released by MG, is a good thing and seems to have been an approach which worked well over the years.

However...

The Mona Lisa image (shown earlier) example is a very good point on what DLC became for MSFS and taken to perfection, it seems, with MS Flight (buy a plane without a cockpit - what sorta crud is that?)
The main concern with DLC, as in forking out for new content and accoutrements (outside of an official expansion pack), released in a open market environment is that of ongoing support for the product sold... pay good money for something that catches your eye and it turns out to be a dud... what then?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I think you can agree that the DLC systems are very expensive (was invented for this reason :rolleyes:).
Actually no I can not..

I spend more on gas driving my Jeep to work per day ($35/day) than the most expensive DLC for RoF! Heck I spend more in one night of drinking than the cost of a game!

Heck the price of a game is about the cheapest entertainment I can think of! Especially when you look at all the hours of enjoyment you get out of it!

But that is just me and my costs.. Lets relate this to all simmers

For example.. A movie cost you about $10.. And the movie only lasts about 2 hours..

That is $5 per hour form of entertainment!

$5/hr = $10/2hr

Where as a game cost about $50.. but you can play it for hundreds of hours..

For example.. IL-2.. There were what.. 4 or 5 sequels to IL-2? So lets say you bought all of them.. So over the past 10 years you have spent $250 ( 5 x $50 ).. Now lets say you played 3hrs a day every Saturday and Sunday for the past 10 years..

That is an 8 cent per hour form of entertainment!

520 weekends = 52 weekends/year x 10 years
3120hr = 520 weekends x 6hr/weekend
8cents/hr = $250/3120hr

And that is just the cost of the software itself.. It all becomes comical once you take into account the $ spent on the computer to play the $50 game!

To make an analogy, it is like complaining about the cost of the $10 movie as you are driving your $30k car to the movie!

Long story short.. expensive is 'relative'! Thus the price argument does not really hold much water IMHO! Playing flight sims has always been a expensive hobby.. and of those expenses the cost of the game is the least expensive item needed to play a flight sim

[VO101_Tom]

Actually no I can not.. ..

The difference between our opinions, I think the software is a product, not service. I am willing to pay only once, because if I'm doing my job, I get paid only once.. :rolleyes: (If i play on my home PC, it's not "entertaining service").

Examples of what you said, your car, cinema, pubs... you are paying for the raw materials and the services (ok, maybe a movie royalty), but these are tangible and real products. The software is big business because there is no such cost (not like any service). I do not understand why you bring this things up. If you say that you spend so much money to everything else, so your favorite game is worth this much, I agree with you.
On the one hand, it is really our favorite game, if it would be much more expensive, I probably paying it too. But... On the other hand, why would I want to pay more? 1C is not a small company, not just CloD was doing (but maybe their biggest game), especially in the Russian market is a lot of their games (many of them using this engine, like the Il-2 franchise). Many new staff, hired external team work, i don't think, they have financial problems - thankfully. This is similar as if I was worried that the publisher's boss – where I work – is able to refuel his Maserati in the weekend... what if he don't? ... Next week I need less money, perhaps dependent on this.... :grin:

Back to DLC... pls read this article, why the EA is the "worst company in America." :rolleyes:
http://consumerist.com/2012/04/worst-company-in-america-2012-final-death-match-bank-of-america-vs-ea.html

[csThor]

The major difference between Maddox Games and the ROF Team is that RoF has its own small publisher in 777 Studios while Maddox Games is part of the large 1C corporation and also has to deal with Ubisoft as "rest of the world" publisher. That means the distribution channels are completely different and doing sequels is the only sensible way of doing business with each other.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

The difference between our opinions
Agreed

[smurf-oly]

I spend more on gas driving my Jeep to work per day ($35/day) than the most expensive DLC for RoF! Heck I spend more in one night of drinking than the cost of a game!

I advise you move closer to work and get a bicycle (that'll help with the hangovers too)!

[NedLynch]

You know guys, I have no clue why this isn't being demanded more by the community: a comprehensive DCG.
I wrote this many times already, it will give infinite replayability, it will work with CoD and BoM, you make your own storyline, the game will always be fresh.

New planes, yeah that would be nice, new campaigns, good too, but a good DCG is a must for a game like this.

And as for RoF, it was in the beginning an online game only and only because of the community they introduced a SP career mode, a sort of DCG. They have gone very much overboard with charging for add-ons, not even DLC, just add-ons, such as planes (yes, I consider those an add-on, not real DLC) and little gadgets for your planes, called "field-mods":rolleyes:

I am aware of the community efforts to bring a dynamic campaign to CoD and they are much appreciated, but so far there is nothing in terms of really comprehensive.

I also agree that the devs are quite occupied with other issues of the sim to actually even consider giving us a DCG, what a shame.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I advise you move closer to work and get a bicycle (that'll help with the hangovers too)!
I wish..

Problem is I work in a remote location (WSMR)

The closet housing is about 15 miles and is unacceptable, as in mostly shacks and way too hot most of the year.. The next closet city is Las Cruces at about 30 miles away.. better housing but still way too hot most of the year.

I prefer living at 7,500 ft where it is nice a cool! That and I just love waking up in the morning and watching elk, deer, wild turkeys, etc walking threw my yard as I drink my morning cup of coffee

[Tavingon]

DLC is needed for CLOD, lets create waves

[robtek]

About making waves... only rich or less intelligent people vote for DLC, imo of course.

[Falstaff]

>>splutter<<<

[Chivas]

I can see the ROF business model and the original IL-2 business model being used in the new series. The developer selling large theaters including aircraft, third party's supplying payware smaller theaters and aircraft, and the mod community supplying free and paid content.

Everything in COD will change over the next ten years, alot of it we will pay for. We will get plenty of free missions and campaigns from the community, maybe even some aircraft and cockpits. The developer will be making aircraft and cockpits for other theaters that can be used historically on the COD map. Hopefully third party MSFS developers will start providing payware aircraft aswell. Other third parties will develop and build payware campaigns like the Battle for France and Poland, that could include new aircraft. Many third party small maps will be free, others payware, depending on content. The developer supplied tools will make the content for the new series virtually endless.

The Channel Map will be greatly improved and detail added free by the community.
The developer will add Dynamic Weather in one of the Sequels that we'll be able to add to the COD map for the price of the sequel. Most any new feature added in the sequels could be added to the COD map.

You could argue that some features were promised for COD, and we will have to buy the sequel to get them, but the problem with that is there were never any promises, just features that the developer were working on that they hoped to implement sometime in the series.

The future is starting to look bright. The Channel Map will be just one of a hundred maps that we will be able to apply the latest AI, COMMANDS, FM, DM, Graphics, Dynamic Weather, etc etc etc.

[ElAurens]

Even though I now have Rof, and have purchased all the planes, I still do not like a business model that has you purchase cockpit items that should be standard equipment, you know, things like gun sights, and instruments.

I understand that flight simulation is a dodgy business in and of itself, but there are some things that just don't seem right about pay as you go systems like R0F's.

I enjoy the sim, but it is getting a bit limited in scope because of the way that online works.

I would much rather purchase large expansions, like we did with IL2, that come with more maps, and various ground and sea objects, that really flesh out the historical aspects of any sim.

[Falstaff]

Chivas said:

>>The future is starting to look bright.<<

Lord, I hope you have shares in the future tense. Do you talk to this crystal ball? Does it talk back? Is it a potato? :)

>>The Channel Map will be just one of a hundred maps that we will be able to apply the latest AI, COMMANDS, FM, DM, Graphics, Dynamic Weather, etc etc etc. <<

Thousands of maps, millions, in all possible multiverses of shiny futures everywhere. Will, will, will, will....

Except that Luthier confirmed Clod dev is effectively dead after this patch, which contains a round-up of bug-fixes, some nomimal improvements, and by all accounts an effective re-write of the graphics/rendering engine.

How on earth did you get from Luthier's posts to this conclusion? An Oscar Pistorius-powered pole-vault?

Ben

[ACE-OF-ACES]

So what part of Luither saying CoD will follow in the footsteps of IL-2

Where IL-2 received upgrades, improvements, new planes, new maps, new features, etc with each sequel

Do you not understand?

[Red Dragon-DK]

About making waves... only rich or less intelligent people vote for DLC, imo of course.

+1

Thats way I dont fly ROF, play WOW or EVE. I have the money, but Im not that stupid, regardless what my bank manager claims. :D

[He111]

money i have set aside for planes ..

Defiant - flyable - 1C approved - A$1,000
Wellington - flyable - 1C approved - $50
FW200 - flyable - 1C approved - $50
Lysander - non-flyable - 1C approved - $50
JU 52 - non-fly - 1C approved - $50
French aircraft (at least 3 flyable) - $200

Maps requried - Atlantic, Malta, Crete

But if 1C releases BOM with IL2, FW190 etc then $100+ .. but must be 1C appoved! :grin:

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[gheoss]

Im waiting like hell to see the same state that IL2 has reached, to see it in COD, pacific campaings, planes..

P40´s
Mustangs
Zero´s
B17´s
All the Russian planes
jets

as i said, same as Il2 state.

[Verhängnis]

Im waiting like hell to see the same state that IL2 has reached, to see it in COD, pacific campaings, planes..

P40´s
Mustangs
Zero´s
B17´s
All the Russian planes
jets

as i said, same as Il2 state.

Then your going to be waiting a very long time.

[Tavingon]

Looking for plane packs.. NOT 5 dollars for some cockpit instruments like ROF.

[Verhängnis]

Then wait for patches and expansions. ;)

[robtek]

There is something i have to add to my previous post:

Expansions, containing plane sets for a theatre, for a existing or with a new map, i'd buy instantly, as long as they are MG approved and merge with the main game.

Just not single things like planes or equipment.

[Verhängnis]

There is something i have to add to my previous post:

Expansions, containing plane sets for a theatre, for a existing or with a new map, i'd buy instantly, as long as they are MG approved and merge with the main game.

Just not single things like planes or equipment.

I completely agree, and this is what we are getting. Stand alone expansions with a completely new planese, maps, theatre, objects and whatever else that can be merged with previous installations. :)

[HessleReich]

I know there is contention as to whether to have DLC or not, i support both arguments, Addons are great, dlc is optional, so i see both sides...

777 studios have DLC planes and this: http://riseofflight.com/en/store/campaigns

DCS Have addons and a mission area like this: http://files.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/

We have user made mission depots like this: http://airwarfare.com/sow/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=73&view=viewcategory&catid=5

Without dedicated members of our comunity we wouldnt have anything.

Please devs give us a more user friendly way of finding content. Maybe even competitions... and release them with patches.

Why not employ someone to create endless content whithin the sim?

[Verhängnis]

Oh sigh, this thread is getting no where. It's been discussed and read please someone lock it - it's just going around in circles...
We all have differing opinions - granted; but it has already been stated by the developers on the course of action which will be taken regarding this.

[addman]

Oh sigh, this thread is getting no where. It's been discussed and read please someone lock it - it's just going around in circles...
We all have differing opinions - granted; but it has already been stated by the developers on the course of action which will be taken regarding this.

It wasn't meant to go anywhere m8. I just though I'd share my thoughts, opinions and hopes in the matter, some expressed their opinions (like you) and thoughts which is soooo cool because this a forum and guess what, that's what we do here ;). I just wanted to hear what everyone else was thinking and in that regard this thread has been interesting to read, for me anyway, doesn't always have to end in arguments about who is right or wrong and a locked thread.:)

I'll say it again, DLC should only be made available as a compliment to existing expansions, never a 100% substitute.

P.S You have some valid points and concerns with DLC which should be taken in to regard if DLC ever happens.

[Wolf_Rider]

money i have set aside for planes ..

Defiant - flyable - 1C approved - A$1,000
Wellington - flyable - 1C approved - $50
FW200 - flyable - 1C approved - $50
Lysander - non-flyable - 1C approved - $50
JU 52 - non-fly - 1C approved - $50
French aircraft (at least 3 flyable) - $200

Maps requried - Atlantic, Malta, Crete

But if 1C releases BOM with IL2, FW190 etc then $100+ .. but must be 1C appoved! :grin:

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more dollars than cents there

[Verhängnis]

And there has been no official word from the developers regarding the implementation or availbility of DLC. But if there is then I am sure we will have more of these threads to discuss it when it happens. It just annoys me when we do have these discussions and then one person comes around and replies without reading it through entirely (or understanding?) and it just eventuates into arguments. But isn't that how the majority of threads asking for "opinion" end on this forum? I really just think it will pay to wait for word from those in charge. It's perhaps a good question for the devs in one of the Friday updates.
And I really hope and think that after Moscow's (or before) release that there will be a chance for questions to be asked and answered by the devs each week - like what Wargaming.net does, but there's is every weeks or something. But the questions are really stuff that we want to know and the developer replies are really good; they always explain the situation and never try to cut corners.

[smurf-oly]

I prefer living at 7,500 ft where it is nice a cool! That and I just love waking up in the morning and watching elk, deer, wild turkeys, etc walking threw my yard as I drink my morning cup of coffee

Sounds like a necessary (and very nice) respite after a $35 commute.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Sounds like a necessary (and very nice) respite after a $35 commute.
$35 if I drive my Jeep..

But what with gas prices I decided to get an old 1979 Audi (aka VW) station wagon

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h43/greggearhead/Audi%20Fox/100_1760email.jpg

This little 1.6L four banger gets 36 mph! Which cuts my fuel cost in half!

Real clean, recaro seats and the guy I bought it from did a lot of suspension work on it too.. Handles better than my old 240Z! Plenty of leg room for my 6'4" body and room for 3 more plus luggage.

And get this.. Not one ECM (aka computer) anywhere in the car! OLD SCHOOL!

Which makes me lol when I see someone at work bragging about their new computer control hybrid that is about the size of a smart car claiming 35 to 37 mph! They get a real funny look on their face when I tell them my 35+ year old Audio gets the same mph with ZERO computers ;)

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Now back on topic

Oh sigh, this thread is getting no where.
Well like addman said.. it was not intended to go anywhere.. There is no right or wrong answer here.. Just people expressing what they like or don't like about the two methods.. As noted, I like the RoF method.. but in the end I don't care how we get updates (aka sequels, DLC, addons, etc) as long as we get em! ;)

[Tavingon]

I would like to NOT see clod abandoned.. at least if modders could add more planes for me then that would be PERFECT.

[von Pilsner]

I would like to NOT see clod abandoned.. at least if modders could add more planes for me then that would be PERFECT.

More planes would be great. I don't know of anyone who can make them and the SDK does not exist, but I want more planes too....

With the Steam/VAC connection we don't know how 3rd party planes will work in this new framework or if 1c will have a vetting/approval process for 3rd party planes (to allow them on VAC servers) or a mods on checkbox (like RoF).

I personally prefer the old 1C/MG update system where we purchase a theater (map and appropriate planes) rather than buying the planes and maps one at a time. :D

[5./JG27.Farber]

I would like to NOT see clod abandoned.. at least if modders could add more planes for me then that would be PERFECT.

...be careful what you wish for... You just might get it.

As for me if it goes DLC, Im out.

[He111]

more dollars than cents there

did you mean more dollars than sense .. derrr!

I like encouraging artists who produce excellent work .. the moneys there.

BTW, when I said I'd pay $100+ for BOM with flyable IL2 and FW190, i'll only accept it if the IL2 & FW190 have the flight characteristics of a spitfire and Bristol Bombay respectively .. just like 1946! .. memories! LOL! :grin:


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[Wolf_Rider]

As I said... more $'s than cents ;)

[addman]

Speaking for myself, I'm not that poor/cheap/patient that I can't shell out a couple of 10€ bills a year instead of waiting more then a year just to get a new plane. I bought a F4F-3 Wildcat plastic plane model a couple of days ago for 10€, I wouldn't mind having a virtual one for the same price tag.