Release it?

[Allons!]

Hi all,

imhho they should release now whatever the status is. At this time being Luthier i would rather release the patch with stuttering and have another 2 weeks for completing whatever is to be completed then letting this community hang another 2 weeks - 2 months in this status.

After initially releasing the game itself in that status there is no need nor credibility for extreme painstaking. Making things work and killing the launcher.exe problems will be a little step for Luthier and a great step for Clod Online gaming. Then when it comes to stuttering etc. everybody will see himself what the problems are.

Just my 2 ct to a question the devs are likely to ask themselfes this day.

Greetz, Allons!
(Whose game works very well right now with Gamebooster and the NVidia Beta drivers.)

[NLS61]

There was a poll about this the community clearly tought otherwise.

[Tavingon]

I would like to see something, anything even if its just a BETA taster, the fridge is bare and fresh content is needed :-)

[Flanker35M]

S!

No hurry with the patch :) I just started Mass Effect 3 and have to send my HOTAS to be checked or replaced. :D

[Aer9o]

There was a poll about this the community clearly tought otherwise.

Not everybody voted though and the general mood is that people are fed up waiting. After all we are just willing to test a beta patch not a finished product!

[Tree_UK]

Not everybody voted though and the general mood is that people are fed up waiting. After all we are just willing to test a beta patch not a finished product!

Agree, its a beta let the long suffering fans help with the fix, we desereve to be involved for once.

[Tavingon]

Not everybody voted though and the general mood is that people are fed up waiting. After all we are just willing to test a beta patch not a finished product!

Very true, please let us have a crack at it before the steam general users get the shipment:-P

[CrazySchmidt]

C'mon guys, it's been this long and no one's died, what's another whenever?

All jokes aside if I were hanging up by my thumbs, they'd as long as my legs.

Patiently reading the forum daily, as I have been for many months now.

CS. :)

[Nephris]

Of ffs..not another useless thread on that...:rolleyes:

Old development rule:
Release it, when it´s done!

Again:
How many of you will cry & whine for a patch that introduces new bugs?
Patience is virtue ;)


I bed my 2 pennies this thread will be deleted...any calls?

[Aer9o]

Of ffs..not another useless thread on that...:rolleyes:

I bed my 2 pennies this thread will be deleted...any calls?

rolfmao...you "bed" indeed,... good morning and wellcome to our Planet mate, it has been 6 months of long sleep my friend!!!
:-)

[Fjordmonkey]

Sorry, but do NOT release things until they're done. If released in an unfinished state, they basically have erected the cross and handed the community not just themselves but also the rusty nails and hammer we'll use to crucify them.

So no. Keep it inhouse until it's thoroughly tested, and when it's good enough, THEN release it. Rushing the release is what landed things the way they did, and some parts of history should not be repeated.

[Aer9o]

Sorry, but do NOT release things until they're done. If released in an unfinished state, they basically have erected the cross and handed the community not just themselves but also the rusty nails and hammer we'll use to crucify them.

So no. Keep it inhouse until it's thoroughly tested, and when it's good enough, THEN release it. Rushing the release is what landed things the way they did, and some parts of history should not be repeated.


...this is a beta or will be, better said...A BETA patch is an unfinished and open for development product. Ok to get some feedback from people then when ready to be put up to Steam!...nothing wrong with that!..COD is after all an evolving project!

[Tavingon]

...this is a beta or will be, better said...A BETA patch is an unfinished and open for development product. Ok to get some feedback from people then when ready to be put up to Steam!...nothing wrong with that!..COD is after all an evolving project!

Agreed, only a BETA, no commitments or broken promises as it is not a finished product, but something we, the community can help with!

[Baron]

...this is a beta or will be, better said...A BETA patch is an unfinished and open for development product. Ok to get some feedback from people then when ready to be put up to Steam!...nothing wrong with that!..COD is after all an evolving project!



To bad its impossible to make this community understand the meaning of the word "beta" or "VIP" for that matter. You might as well try to explain the inner workings of a combustion engine to a 3-year old.

They have time and time again said that this patch is for the graphics engine only. What do you think will be the first question after its released?

Heres a hint, why...isnt....the...AI....fixed.....?.....?....? or any number of other issues people have that ISNT connected to the graphics engine.

And you think releasing anything thats other than perfect, or as close to it as possible, won`t create a nuclear meltdown NO MATTER what they say before release.

Personally i think the patch have been ready for the last week or two, they just dont want to release it before all the team members had a chance to put thire personal affairs in order, you know, writing a will, signing over the car to the misses and so on.

[kendo65]

There was a poll about this the community clearly tought otherwise.

Yes, but I thought I detected a late surge for the Yes campaign. If that was sustained then who knows?

Democracy is over-rated anyway.


Personally i think the patch have been ready for the last week or two, they just dont want to release it before all the team members had a chance to put thire personal affairs in order, you know, writing a will, signing over the car to the misses and so on.

Nice one Baron!

[Tavingon]

YESSSS! It will be released soon :)

[Wolf_Rider]

Not everybody voted though and the general mood is that people are fed up waiting.


nooo... the general feeling is; a few (very few) people are fed up waiting

[ATAG_Dutch]

imhho they should release now whatever the status is.

Deja Vu, deja vu.

[tk471138]

Of ffs..not another useless thread on that...:rolleyes:

Old development rule:
Release it, when it´s done!

Again:
How many of you will cry & whine for a patch that introduces new bugs?
Patience is virtue ;)


I bed my 2 pennies this thread will be deleted...any calls?



your argument is null and void seeing as how they didnt follow this rule to begin with...at least if they release the BETA patch, it would have the word BETA attached to it....

if they release a beta patch, its the users choice to download it or not...why delay testing on the community which you know they will end up doing anyways...

it would also be a good way to test the new bug tracker....

but of course giving the user a choice, and optional download, is no good for anyone....even those who dont want it could simply choose to not download it they would rather impose their own views on others, and have it so NO ONE can download it....what a joke...


edit i keep seeing "dont release it till its done" so following this train of though, releasing anything beta is a no no?? i mean its not like they followed this rule to begin with...i mean the DAMAGE IS DONE...releasing a BETA patch to the community, isnt the worst thing they could do...i guess you people who say "dont release it till its done" refused to download the previous beta patches...i. suppose you people refuse to download beta patches that hotfix an issue, cuz the nature of beta implies that its not finished...unless you refuse to download all kinds of "beta" releases you are nothing but a hypocrite, and probably a fanboy...

[AndyJWest]

Why do people always assume that there is an 'it' to release? With a project this complex, it is highly unlikely that there is always a single ongoing 'current development version' of the software while it is being worked on. Instead, a (relatively) stable prior version will most likely be used as the base for revisions, and only when a new 'beta' is required will the revised software be compiled as a unit - at which point, it isn't a 'beta', but an 'alpha', until it is confirmed that there aren't (too many) new bugs introduced by the interactions between different changes.

[ramstein]

no one else is important enough, only the select few can test it, then the masses get the next crack... then, more, then more, then maybe, a final..

that's the way it works..

[vicinity]

your argument is null and void seeing as how they didnt follow this rule to begin with...at least if they release the BETA patch, it would have the word BETA attached to it....

if they release a beta patch, its the users choice to download it or not...why delay testing on the community which you know they will end up doing anyways...

it would also be a good way to test the new bug tracker....

but of course giving the user a choice, and optional download, is no good for anyone....even those who dont want it could simply choose to not download it they would rather impose their own views on others, and have it so NO ONE can download it....what a joke...


edit i keep seeing "dont release it till its done" so following this train of though, releasing anything beta is a no no?? i mean its not like they followed this rule to begin with...i mean the DAMAGE IS DONE...releasing a BETA patch to the community, isnt the worst thing they could do...i guess you people who say "dont release it till its done" refused to download the previous beta patches...i. suppose you people refuse to download beta patches that hotfix an issue, cuz the nature of beta implies that its not finished...unless you refuse to download all kinds of "beta" releases you are nothing but a hypocrite, and probably a fanboy...Exactly, I agree completely.

Given that they said a few weeks ago all they had left to do was fix problems with tracers/gunsights then you'd assume now they're going into beta testing they would have a pretty complete patch, they'd have been testing it throughout each build and Luthier has said they haven't run into a CTD in months.

It's time to stop being afraid of the community and the critics (there will ALWAYS be people complaining). Release a beta now and problems that would take the beta testers a couple of weeks to find would probably be found by the community by the end of the day.

Really, if it's nowhere close to read then fine, I can wait, but I really do think involving the community in testing will only improve the overall quality of the patch when it is released.

[vicinity]

To bad its impossible to make this community understand the meaning of the word "beta" or "VIP" for that matter. You might as well try to explain the inner workings of a combustion engine to a 3-year old.

Hey that's unfair, some children (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-17702463) probably understand combustion engines better than we ever could!

[Triggaaar]

imhho they should release now whatever the status is.Definitely not. As they pointed out, imagine the disappointment if there are major issues with the patch after we've waited this many months. It would be far better to wait another week, two, three, and get a patch that is largely good (there are bound to be some issues for some systems).

[tk471138]

Definitely not. As they pointed out, imagine the disappointment if there are major issues with the patch after we've waited this many months. It would be far better to wait another week, two, three, and get a patch that is largely good (there are bound to be some issues for some systems).

the best way to find these issues would be a wide scale beta release...either way you can either have a beta patch, or you can have nothing....id rather have something as opposed to nothing...

the NATURE OF A BETA implies that their will be issues...so unless you are a total moron who does not under stand what BETA means, or you have selective vision that does not allow you to perceive the word beta...i think most people would understand that the nature of beta implies that their COULD be issues....


MY god why dont people understand what BETA means...the whole point of the beta release is to find issues...and now that the community has a tool to report these issues releasing a beta makes more sense than it ever did...

seriously people this is stuff that a child could understand...

but of course the hypocrites here say "dont release it till its finished" well unfortunately if this was the industry operated most games released today would never be released...i guess games like "aces high" which is a perpetual work in progress should not be released right...i guess the devs of aces high screwed up cuz they released their game (a decade ago if not more) and they are still working on it...if they are still working on it, it must not be finished...the same can be said about IL2 series...they are still patching that game and adding features...does that mean the devs shouldn't have released it since clearly if they are still working on it its not finished....

[taildraggernut]

and some people seem to be failing to realise they need to 'finish' the BETA before they can release it.

[tk471138]

and some people seem to be failing to realise they need to 'finish' the BETA before they can release it.

if they beta was a "finished product" then it wouldnt be a BETA....get it yet??

you see if it was FINISHED by definition it would not be a beta....that is what we are talking about whether or not they should release the beta patch to the community for testing....


you people are crazy....


i wonder how many hypocrites who say "dont release it till its done" still bought the cliffs of dover....even though it was not finished...

[taildraggernut]

if they beta was a "finished product" then it wouldnt be a BETA....get it yet??

you see if it was FINISHED by definition it would not be a beta....that is what we are talking about whether or not they should release the beta patch to the community for testing....


you people are crazy....

who said 'finished product'?, read my post again and let me know when you 'get it'

[GraveyardJimmy]

if they beta was a "finished product" then it wouldnt be a BETA....get it yet??

you see if it was FINISHED by definition it would not be a beta....that is what we are talking about whether or not they should release the beta patch to the community for testing....




At the time of the OP it was not known if the patch was ready.

What would the point be of comiling half finished code that would create an instant CTD when it attempts to load? Of course the code of a graphics engine rewrite needs to be finished before you can release a beta, you cant just half write something, release it due to whining and call it a beta.

[taildraggernut]

At the time of the OP it was not known if the patch was ready.

What would the point be of comiling half finished code that would create an instant CTD when it attempts to load? Of course the code of a graphics engine rewrite needs to be finished before you can release a beta, you cant just half write something, release it due to whining and call it a beta.

This man 'gets it'

[tk471138]

"We're very glad to announce that the beta patch is largely done. It's going into wide internal testing today, which will last through the weekend and probably a couple of days more. After we make sure nothing is amiss, we'll make the beta patch available to everyone "



hmm it seems that their is indeed a beta patch....and it seems that this same beta patch could be released to the community for testing (which they plan on doing any ways as long as "nothing is amiss"



so you see the word beta attached to the world patch...this implies that the beta patch will have minor issues and even maybe one or two major issues that could only be discovered, by wide scale testing....


but i guess you people wont download the beta patch when it is released, since you dont believe in not releasing things that arent finished...and the nature of a beta is that its not finished...

[tk471138]

At the time of the OP it was not known if the patch was ready.

What would the point be of comiling half finished code that would create an instant CTD when it attempts to load? Of course the code of a graphics engine rewrite needs to be finished before you can release a beta, you cant just half write something, release it due to whining and call it a beta.

MOOT POINT considering the patch is "largly done"

not as you put it "half finished"

seriously people keep comming up with the fallacies....and also please feel free to not download the beta patch when it comes out, since all you hypocrites keep harping on the negatives of releasing a patch that is not finished...

[tk471138]

who said 'finished product'?, read my post again and let me know when you 'get it'

you point is also moot since they put the patch in closed testing...the same patch that is a candidate to be released to the community as a beta.....

not to mention the language B6 used..."largely done"


you see the beta patch COULD mean some users can enjoy the game, sure some machines might have trouble with it...but if the release of a beta means the paying customers who currently can not enjoy the game, have a chance of being able to enjoy their game, why not give them that opportunity....unless you people against such a release, dont want a possibility of a working product...

and if the beta patch is a failure, at least in this case they would be able to fall back upon the fact that it was a beta and was NOT guaranteed to work....(its not like the cliffs of dover game box had the word beta attached to it....)

[taildraggernut]

but once they release it it would be considered 'finished' so WTF are you talking about?

you really wan't them to just stop writing code and dump it onto the public without even knowing what it will do?

[GraveyardJimmy]

MOOT POINT considering the patch is "largly done"

not as you put it "half finished"



Largely done. Not "ready to be compiled and released". I largely finished your car, but didn't install the ignition yet, happy for it to be delivered?

You cant just leave parts of code out and hope for the best. That in a best case would create bad effects and more likely just cause memory leaks and CTDs.

What if there was an error that meant that it created a recurring function and called 100% GPU usage and overheated cards (causing them to break)? Would you be happy they released without any testing at all with a broken PC?

As they said, they are finishing it and putting it into internal testing this weekend, release this week for community beta, then it will be final release. Most companies use this system- NVIDIA for example.

[Baron]

if they beta was a "finished product" then it wouldnt be a BETA....get it yet??

you see if it was FINISHED by definition it would not be a beta....that is what we are talking about whether or not they should release the beta patch to the community for testing....


you people are crazy....


i wonder how many hypocrites who say "dont release it till its done" still bought the cliffs of dover....even though it was not finished...

They are releasing it for open beta.

They are, how ever, NOT releasing it if they KNOW there are buggs in it, hence "finished" beta.. Open beta is for finding HIDDEN buggs that can show up depending on what system you have etc, its not for finding buggs the developer allredy know is there, hence, again, "finished"

[tk471138]

but once they release it it would be considered 'finished' so WTF are you talking about?

you really wan't them to just stop writing code and dump it onto the public without even knowing what it will do?

im pretty sure they know what it will do...thats what the updates we have been given on friday have communicated....the only thing they dont know is how it will perform on certain peoples hardware which is the point of open beta...

just cuz they release a beta patch does not mean its finished....


i guess cuz they released cliffs of dover, it must automatically mean its finished...

seriously people love the fallacious logic you people present....

[taildraggernut]

ok lets use a famous analogy based on the glass half full here...

you ask for a drink and the bartender fills it to about 7/8ths....it's nearly done and you just want the drink so for you it's ok, for most others only a full glass will do and are prepared to wait the extra seconds for the bartender to fill it, this is not about the game being finished (we can expect a few more patches in its time) this is just about making sure the BETA is finished.
the devs still need internal testing time to give them an idea if theres any problems that will universally affect others hardware.

seriously people love the fallacious logic you people present....

why are you such an angry and rude person?

[swiss]

[.]
Greetz, Allons!
(Whose game works very well right now with Gamebooster and the NVidia Beta drivers.)

No need to release an unfinished patch then, right? ;)

[Volksieg]

Yegads! They've said it will probably be released in a few days! Why all this urgency and brou-ha?

I want all sorts of things! I'd like to finally finish my driving lessons and get a car! I'd like to find a job that lasts a little longer than the last three I managed to get somehow, I'd like them to somehow raise Syd Barrett from the grave and have him rejoin Pink Floyd, I'd like a Jamaican Jerk Chicken Bagel and a large Latte............

The Patch is coming, unless something goes horrifically wrong, and it is coming soon.

CHILL OUT

:D

[Widow17]

I dont think its good to release too early, it can be unplayable for many people or even all ( maybe just because of one thing not working like some textures so you get weird graphics or a lever in the cockpit or whatever) and because noone knows which issues are just still beta ( issues the developers are aware of) or are intended ( at least for final beta release) the forums would explode by guessing and whining.

[Volksieg]

......the forums would explode by guessing and whining.

Something tells me that is going to happen, regardless of the outcome. :D

[Fjordmonkey]

Something tells me that is going to happen, regardless of the outcome. :D

That's a given. It's a good old case of Catch 22. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. So basically they'll have to choose between Ebola or the Black Plague, and they will usually choose the one that's the least painful. Which I can understand, heh.

[tk471138]

[QUOTE=Widow17;409838]I dont think its good to release too early, it can be unplayable for many people or even all ( maybe just because of one thing not working like some textures so you get weird graphics or a lever in the cockpit or whatever) and because noone knows which issues are just still beta ( issues the developers are aware of) or are intended ( at least for final beta release) the forums would explode by guessing and whining.[/QUOTE

what is wrong with you people...the fact that this would be released as a beta, would mean ONLY THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO download and install it would be affected by it....so your statement about "unplayable for many or all" is again fallacious....and if that is the state of this beta patch (being unplayable for most or all) then my concern would be more for the future of the game...

[tk471138]

That's a given. It's a good old case of Catch 22. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. So basically they'll have to choose between Ebola or the Black Plague, and they will usually choose the one that's the least painful. Which I can understand, heh.


if they release a BETA patch, the only choice is with the end user, as to whether or not they want to download it....

you see beta patches are generally only recommended for power users....you laypeople dont understand nor will you ever understand that these beta patches are not made for you....

[sorak]

Of ffs..not another useless thread on that...:rolleyes:


I bed my 2 pennies this thread will be deleted...any calls?

Oh no!! i wouldnt want to lose 2 pennies.. so we know you believe in yourself.

[Widow17]

[QUOTE=Widow17;409838]I dont think its good to release too early, it can be unplayable for many people or even all ( maybe just because of one thing not working like some textures so you get weird graphics or a lever in the cockpit or whatever) and because noone knows which issues are just still beta ( issues the developers are aware of) or are intended ( at least for final beta release) the forums would explode by guessing and whining.[/QUOTE

what is wrong with you people...the fact that this would be released as a beta, would mean ONLY THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO download and install it would be affected by it....so your statement about "unplayable for many or all" is again fallacious....and if that is the state of this beta patch (being unplayable for most or all) then my concern would be more for the future of the game...

LOL :) sure only those who download it will be affected, its a beta, but even if its just a beta there should only be those bugs in the beta the developers didnt see in the beta and not dozens of bugs they are aware of in the beta, which would cause a lot of confusion and maybe frustration among some, many or all those who downloaded the beta even though they knew it was a beta, just because they are not sure if the developers know its just a beta ;)

[wolfhound338]

[QUOTE=tk471138;410052]

LOL :) sure only those who download it will be affected, its a beta, but even if its just a beta there should only be those bugs in the beta the developers didnt see in the beta and not dozens of bugs they are aware of in the beta, which would cause a lot of confusion and maybe frustration among some, many or all those who downloaded the beta even though they knew it was a beta, just because they are not sure if the developers know its just a beta ;)

LOL Widow, you are evil and a very naughty boy. Please go directly to your room and change into your Flame retardant underwear.....

( Fades back into the shadows......)

[the Dutchman]

..with CoD's track record releasing the "patch of all patches" unfinished would probably be it's deathblow..

[Volksieg]

..with CoD's track record releasing the "patch of all patches" unfinished would probably be it's deathblow..

But that's the thing...... It's not the "patch of all patches". It will be the Beta version of one of a handful of "patches of all patches". lol

People need to accept that there is actually a fairly good chance things are not going to be perfect just yet..... because they are not supposed to be yet. Hence Beta. :D

But yeah.... don't release an unfinished-ish Beta. lol That would be a Gamma patch (Or is that Alpha patch? I can never remember which way round it goes. lol)

[PotNoodles]

Of ffs..not another useless thread on that...:rolleyes:

Old development rule:
Release it, when it´s done!

Again:
How many of you will cry & whine for a patch that introduces new bugs?
Patience is virtue ;)


I bed my 2 pennies this thread will be deleted...any calls?

Sorry, but I for one am sick of reading posts like this given the fact that they should have only released the game when it was finished in the first place. Why preach to everyone to be patience when everyone knows that you are testing people's patience when they have paid for a broken product and are left waiting for it to be fixed. Seriously, are you one of these people who would except a crapped out car you bought new and just sit back while it's in the garage getting fixed for a year? If it wasn't for these people moaning in the first place you may never have seen this patch, so just think about that for a moment.

[taildraggernut]

But the moaning should have stopped once the devs started working on the fix we wanted.

[PotNoodles]

But the moaning should have stopped once the devs started working on the fix we wanted.

The moaning will stop they deliver on their promises. There is a well known saying "Actions speak louder then words." People are bored because they haven't seen any action for so long now and they feel they are been strung along. Lets just hope the patch is released a.s.a.p because it's well overdue.

[ramstein]

in 36 hours Steam will send out the patch? Or will it be a stand alone beta (not official), and we will need to back up our copy..
??

[Volksieg]

I'm guessing it will be a matter of backing up first and manual install... steam will introduce it once it is out of beta phase. Of course I will stress that this is an educated guess on my part.

Out of interest... where are you getting 36 hours from? :)

[HessleReich]

I too am interested in this 36 hour estimation, is it based on the timeframes given in the friday update?

"It's going into wide internal testing today, which will last through the weekend and probably a couple of days more."

[JG52Uther]

Read what I just posted in the Sukhoi thread...

[MBF]

Hi all,

imhho they should release now whatever the status is. At this time being Luthier i would rather release the patch with stuttering and have another 2 weeks for completing whatever is to be completed then letting this community hang another 2 weeks - 2 months in this status.

After initially releasing the game itself in that status there is no need nor credibility for extreme painstaking. Making things work and killing the launcher.exe problems will be a little step for Luthier and a great step for Clod Online gaming. Then when it comes to stuttering etc. everybody will see himself what the problems are.

Just my 2 ct to a question the devs are likely to ask themselfes this day.

Greetz, Allons!
(Whose game works very well right now with Gamebooster and the NVidia Beta drivers.)

I disagree. They are doing the right thing.

The patch is almost ready to be deployed, the process is internal testing first in case any obvious bug made its way into the build (no need to release it in such state).

Then deploy the beta in case there are not-so-obvious bugs (makes sense to take the time to collect bug information from as many sources as possible),

Then patch and possibly make a new iteration if needed.

Releasing the patch in the "internal test" phase would be a waste of time if there is a bug that crashes the game because of some trivial bug (no matter how good a programmer is, these things happen), it takes a lot of time to patch, build, and upload stuff that is several hundred MBs.

[JG26_EZ]

in 36 hours Steam will send out the patch? Or will it be a stand alone beta (not official), and we will need to back up our copy..
??

A beta doesn't get put into Steam's auto update thing. As far as I know, you have to add betas manually.