So, You Think B for M looks like IL2 46?

[ElAurens]

This is a screen shot I did today in version 4.11 of IL2 46. Moscow 1 map, time 11am, weather clear, cloud height 3000m, default skin and markings

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6143/grab0019.jpg

And here is the screen shot that Black Six posted in this weeks dev update.

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/299/shot20120330133632.jpg

If you can't see the differences you are either blind or have an agenda.

[Insuber]

Well done El! I wanted to do it myself ... of course the CloD pic looks 10x better.

[Chivas]

I agree, the screenshots are close if you don't look at the details. When your pissed at a subject you generally don't notice the details that would disprove pissyness. lol

[addman]

So wait...the second pic is from il2 46 right? ;)

[Flanker35M]

S!

You could tell which one is which by the FPS counter ;) :D

[addman]

S!

You could tell which one is which by the FPS counter ;) :D

Oh snap!:cool:

[speculum jockey]

I think it's a testament to the original game and its updates that the models look so similar. If we could insert larger textures into the il2 skins the difference would really be marginal. It's only when you look around the edges of the wing tips that you can see the original is a lower poly model.

Obviously the ground textures, buildings and trees are significantly different.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

If you can't see the differences you are either blind or have an agenda.
Bingo

[addman]

Bingo

Yahtzee!

[csThor]

If you look closely you'll notice that the houses are still the european town houses and not the russian rural buildings we've been shown. To me that indicates that the map is in its infancy, actually it has just wailed for the first time. Lots of things to do for the map makers.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Yahtzee!
Your agenda has been noted.. again

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

I can "see" why I dont fly 46 anymore.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I can "see" why I dont fly 46 anymore.
As in how are you going to keep them down on the farm once they have seen gay Paree? ;)

[addman]

I can "see" why I dont fly 46 anymore.

Yeah same here, it's not just the graphics though it's the whole feel of flight that has elevated CloD beyond anything else, just like IL-2 did all those years ago.

[Volksieg]

Yep. They look absolutely nothing like each other, other than the sky is blue and it's an Il2 in the air.

I don't always think it is necessarily indicative of an agenda at play, mind.... some people are just a little "Special".

I was looking at a CloD video on youtube the other day about 109s and someone had commented:

"You have to manually crank the flaps? THIS is why I won't play Cliffs of Dover! Manually controlled flaps are stupid....... Rise of Flight FOREVA!!!"

Or something along those lines anyway....... :D Rather like moaning about Silent Hunter 5 with "Whaddya mean the submarine can't fly??? LOSERS!" :D

People....... and folks wonder why I don't like leaving my home....

[ElAurens]

As in how are you going to keep them down on the farm once they have seen gay Paree? ;)

This X 10000000000.

[tintifaxl]

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If you can't see the differences you are either blind or have an agenda.

You're correct. I don't see any jaggies in the 1946 screenshot :-P

[ElAurens]

Not seeing the forest for the trees eh?

[fruitbat]

Not seeing the forest for the trees eh?

now that sounds like il2 down low;)

[Ataros]

BoM map is not ready yet. It is a place-holder. No landscape variations, no houses, etc.

[ElAurens]

BoM map is not ready yet. It is a place-holder. No landscape variations, no houses, etc.

And yet it is still better looking than the original IL2 Russian maps.

:cool:

[Mysticpuma]

BoM map is not ready yet. It is a place-holder.

Oh this made me laugh, it really did....do I have a feeling of Deja Vu?

[Peaveywolf]

If you look closely you'll notice that the houses are still the european town houses and not the russian rural buildings we've been shown. To me that indicates that the map is in its infancy, actually it has just wailed for the first time. Lots of things to do for the map makers.

I agree, I think its an unfinished map for purposes to show the aircraft models off on.

[SlipBall]

And yet it is still better looking than the original IL2 Russian maps.

:cool:



Not really, original had snow on roofs:-P:cool:

[rga]

I also heard a lot of complaining about CloD terrain before release, based purely on a handful of pictures Oleg gave us. Banana forum turned into the most active site of scientific debate about England's botanics and ecology. What's the situation now. I haven't seen a hate thread about CloD terrain for quite a while.
IMO, the combination of light, colour and models in CloD reach almost the photorealistic level. That's why I barely fly 1946 now, despite tons of interesting features made by TD and modders. Well, sometimes I do fly night mission in modded 1946, since the feeling hunting in the darkness is priceless.

Short version of my post: developers do not know how to make an aristic-touched screenshot :))

[furbs]

No arguments about the terrain now because some people told them it didn't look enough like England, so they changed it.

See sig.

[kestrel79]

Yes the CloD screenshot looks better. But it's the stuff you can't see that make Clod better. It's the awesome engine sounds, the insanely detailed damage model, the very deep CEM, flames coming from the engine exhaust (this still blows my mind). Add up all these things together and this is why that 2nd screenshot is the best :)

[slm]

Agree. When planes are moving fast, you don't necessarily notice 3d model details the same way you do from static screenshots. But the improved damage model, new effects like smoke from MGs when a plane is firing etc. clearly improve the game.

Still, it's advances that make AI planes fly better etc. that I appreciate most. If planes and ground units behave more realistically (as if a human player was controlling them), those mean more to me than more and more polygons. And of course playability features that allow creating better missions.

[carguy_]

If you can't see the differences you are either blind or have an agenda.
Thank you for pointing that out. Some people seem to love to raise problems out of vacuum.

[Jaws2002]

While it does look better than the old Il-2, the changes in the graphics engine introduced in the last patch was a huge step back in how the lighting is used in the game.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/shot_20110423_014013.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/Screenshot107198.jpg

[Hooves]

This is a screen shot I did today in version 4.11 of IL2 46. Moscow 1 map, time 11am, weather clear, cloud height 3000m, default skin and markings

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6143/grab0019.jpg

And here is the screen shot that Black Six posted in this weeks dev update.

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/299/shot20120330133632.jpg

If you can't see the differences you are either blind or have an agenda.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r39/Mikelaw709/acess2012-04-0118-06-47-55.jpg

hmmmm

[skarden]

CloD looks better then that too in my honest opinion, easly, even with a place holder map. The detail on the plane itself is where it's noticeable,also the lighting really is miles ahead, and of course as a lot of people here have pointed out ( which some people here like to ignore) it's what YOU DON"T SEE that really makes COD light years ahead.

[Force10]

The COD pic is the one with the jaggy edges and no anti aliasing...right? LOL...jk. COD does look more detailed but that should not suprise many considering the how old the 1946 engine is.

[JG52Krupi]

to do a true comparison IMHO u have to use the 1946 il10 model....

[Allons!]

If you look closely you'll notice that the houses are still the european town houses and not the russian rural buildings we've been shown.

Additionally the roof are pretty bad isolated (no snow on it) :grin:

[Opitz]

BoM map is not ready yet. It is a place-holder. No landscape variations, no houses, etc.

OH, I see now - so lets pray, they will not sell these placeholders again like in the case of BoB!

[DroopSnoot]

So, You Think B for M looks like IL2 46?

Yes I do

[ElAurens]

Yes I do

See my comment in my first post.

[furbs]

Oh this made me laugh, it really did....do I have a feeling of Deja Vu?

I was thinking the same thing Puma.

The clouds, houses and everything are WIP, placeholders, no promises etc etc.

[skarden]

Yes I do

get a better monitor and/or find your glass's before looking again......

[SiThSpAwN]

Yahtzee!

Bazinga!

[addman]

Bazinga!

Uno!

[Ze-Jamz]

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r39/Mikelaw709/acess2012-04-0118-06-47-55.jpg

hmmmm

Was waiting for that...

I really hope that iL2 shown in the SS for ClOD is a WIP..

Im really happy they are working on ClOD and sequels..but please dont bang on with how good those SS are and how much better than iL2 they are 10years later..

They are not that impressive imo

oh and P.S please dont mention anything to do with what we see are placeholders...been there, done that

[Ze-Jamz]

Your agenda has been noted.. again

A polite notice to you AoA... you realize that its indeed 'your' agenda that's been noted when you decided yet again to get your cape out with the one word post of 'Bingo'? and again with the post I've just quoted?

guess were all as bad as one another eh?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

yawn

[Ze-Jamz]

yawn

Indeed

[ACE-OF-ACES]

indubitably

[Ze-Jamz]

indubitably

Im glad you see it..

Now stop doing it, it will save you getting trashed and will help you get rid of that 'forum troll' tag you have..;)

No Need...Let the OP have his say and leave it there..why decide to then have your 2 cents chucked in knowing that once you submit it your be baiting others?, its not really that hard to understand..call it a requirement that will help calm the forums..

I don't want to ignore you as you occasionally post helpful threads but I will you know..dont make me do it

[David Hayward]

Ze-Jamz, when are you planning to try to get rid of your "forum troll" tag?

[Ze-Jamz]

Icebear...He was on my special list, please don't quote anything he decides to throw up over this forum again

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I don't want to ignore you as you occasionally post helpful threads but I will you know..dont make me do it
Ah, I see the problem here.. You have me confused with someone that gives a rip if you put me on ignore! Just so you know, I am not that person!

So in light of how upset you get with me from time to time I would highly recomend that you put me on ignore ASAP!

[David Hayward]

It's funny when trolls threaten to put other posters on their ignore list.

[Ze-Jamz]

This message is hidden because David Hayward is on your ignore list.

Bless him

[JG52Krupi]

This message is hidden because David Hayward is on your ignore list.

Bless him

Lol it's always fun to see that :D.

Careful Jamz, your not allowed an opinion when AOA and David are about.

Regarding the three il2 why do you think the WOP is better?

[louisv]

back to the pictures...

The map is very WIP, and it is not even the new graphic sytem...

So the only comparison possible between the two pictures is the detail of the IL-2, and that looks good !

[furbs]

back to the pictures...

The map is very WIP, and it is not even the new graphic sytem...

So the only comparison possible between the two pictures is the detail of the IL-2, and that looks good !

The graphics patch will not make things look any different.

[louisv]

The graphics patch will not make things look any different.

At the very least it will fix the AA and bring the possibility of new clouds...

[kestrel79]

At the very least it will fix the AA and bring the possibility of new clouds...

We HOPE it fixes these issues. We don't really know yet, all the devs have told us is an increase in frames.

I sure hope it does.

[furbs]

Black6 said the patch will only be the FPS increase, no other fixes.

[addman]

Black6 said the patch will only be the FPS increase, no other fixes.

and the CTD's right?! That should be their only priority at this time IMO.

[JG52Uther]

Black6 said the patch will only be the FPS increase, no other fixes.

Beta patch. Who knows what the full patch will have. Personally since I have started alpha testing another game genre I am not so blown away with the CoD graphics anymore.
The biggest issue for me is online stability for everyone.

[furbs]

and the CTD's right?! That should be their only priority at this time IMO.

Yes, sorry uther the beta patch should fix the CTD, though its not been confirmed 100% yet.

[Dano]

Yes, sorry uther the beta patch should fix the CTD, though its not been confirmed 100% yet.

For all we know it'll create an entirely different one.

[addman]

For all we know it'll create an entirely different one.

For all we know, we don't know anything about the detailed practical properties of the patch. Hope -but doubt- they'll be able to get it done before easter though.

[Chivas]

Yes the graphics patch is a misnomer. Most of the performance issues appear to be found in the graphic engine, hence calling it the graphics patch. It should have been called the performance patch, where they are improving the fps, and other performance degradation issues, which hopefully includes fixes for the CTD's etc. I would imagine the slow fps, stutters, memory leak, and CTD's roots are closely related.