Nachtjager-Wouldn't night fighters be cool?

[SKUD]

Here's one for the wish list
Maybe I'm just too much of a geek but wouldn't it be awesome to have airborne radar and schrage musik modelled in COD sometime in the future? To be a WSO in the rear to guide your pilot to the target? Can't think of a WW2 sim that has tried it. Can't be any harder than modelling bomb sight gizmos.
check this out.
http://www.cdvandt.org/Lichtenstein%20radars.pdf

[Verhängnis]

Here's one for the wish list
Can't think of a WW2 sim that has tried it.

IL-2 1946 + Mods has already done it quite a while ago. ;) :)

[Insuber]

IL-2 1946 + Mods has already done it quite a while ago. ;) :)

Yes, we had a SEOW with 110's against Lancasters, with ground radar to vector us to the Lancs, and WSO to bring the nachtjäger under the bellies of the heavies ... but flying in the black isn't so funny, IMO.

[Pitti]

It would be really cool to have a 110 Nachtjäger with the Lichtenstein Radar and Schräge Musik in a future sequel. :)

I have just read the book "Duell unter den Sternen" (duel under the stars) from Wilhelm Johnen (the pilot from the second 110 landed at Dubendorf, mentioned in the linked Lichtenstein article), a very good read!
I have read the original german version of the book but there is also a translated english one.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Yes! Spitfires hunting down raider with the assistance of search lights would be cool!

[Flanker35M]

S!

I can also recommend Paul Zorner's "Nächte im Bomberstrom - Erinnerungen 1920-1950".

[Verhängnis]

On another note; What about the Boulton Paul Defiant in the Nightfighter role with a Merlin XX (1280 hp) and AI Mk IV Airborne Interception Radar?

[U505]

for me it is simply a good idea mate :):)

[6S.Tamat]

Yes, we had a SEOW with 110's against Lancasters, with ground radar to vector us to the Lancs, and WSO to bring the nachtjäger under the bellies of the heavies ... but flying in the black isn't so funny, IMO.

I have to say that I had some challenging fun in that missions!

[JG53Frankyboy]

the CoD AI Beaufighter IS actually a Nightfighter version.....

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

I want a nite fighter Ju88:cool:

The onboard radar would be cool!

[rga]

I want a nite fighter Ju88:cool:

The onboard radar would be cool!

Except the fact that German night fighter pilots never had to use onboard radar. It was the radar operator who did this job and fed pilots with information. Unless the game allows you to play as radar operator and command the pilot where to fly, players would have to do the job of two people at once. I would be happy with system like in modded 1946, where you receive instruction from an imaginary radar operator.

[Tavingon]

I want the fighter junkers 88 with the cannons and machine guns
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-484-2984-31A%2C_Flugzeug_Junkers_Ju_88.jpg
I've got a feeling its going to be in BOM

[julien673]

http://www.reocities.com/pentagon/2833/luftwaffe/nightfighter/he219/he219n2.gif

The Heinkel He 219 Uhu Uhu (Owl) was the only Luftwaffe nightfighter capable of stalking and fighting the RAF Mosquito on equal terms. Heinkel first offered the design in August 1940, but the German Air Ministry was not interested, believing that the war would be won before such an aircraft could be produced. Not until RAF night raids were beginning to build up in intensity in late 1941 was it decided to go ahead with the design as a specialized nightfighter. The prototype flew on 15 November 1942. The first experimental mission was flown by Major Werner Streib from Venlo, Holland on the night of 11-12 June 1943. Infiltrating a stream of RAF Lancasters bound for Berlin, he shot down five in 30 minutes. Preference continued to be given to the Ju 88G, and only 268 Uhu were completed. Basic armament was six cannon

From http://www.reocities.com/pentagon/2833/luftwaffe/nightfighter/he219/he219.html

[KG26_Alpha]

Except the fact that German night fighter pilots never had to use onboard radar. It was the radar operator who did this job and fed pilots with information. Unless the game allows you to play as radar operator and command the pilot where to fly, players would have to do the job of two people at once. I would be happy with system like in modded 1946, where you receive instruction from an imaginary radar operator.

hehe

the poor twin engine pilots work loads already too much, cant the radar guy just say "up/down/left/right" :)





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[choctaw111]

As long as we have the glimmspur night tracer.

[Kongo-Otto]

Except the fact that German night fighter pilots never had to use onboard radar. It was the radar operator who did this job and fed pilots with information. Unless the game allows you to play as radar operator and command the pilot where to fly, players would have to do the job of two people at once. I would be happy with system like in modded 1946, where you receive instruction from an imaginary radar operator.

It wouldn't be very hard to implement a radar operator for a Nightfighter scenario i assume. Imaginary radar operator also would be ok.
Interesting scenario indeed, otherwise it would need more planes like the Avro Manchester, Armstrong Whitworth Whitley, Short Stirling, Handley Page Halifax or Handely Page Hampden, the Defiant as Nightfighter and on the German Side not only BF 110 and Ju 88 also a HE 219, DO 217J or DO 217N would be pretty cool.

[6BL Bird-Dog]

Definately a good choice for Cliffs of Dover ,The Beaufighter in its night fighter role.
From Wikipedia.
"The Beaufighter found itself coming off the production line at almost exactly the same time as the first British Airborne Interception (AI) Night fighter radar sets. With the four 20 mm cannon mounted in the lower fuselage, the nose could accommodate the radar antennas, and the general spaciousness of the fuselage enabled the AI equipment to be fitted easily. Even loaded to 20,000 lb (9,100 kg) the plane was fast enough to catch German bombers."
There were also six 303`s fitted .
The Bf 110-G had radar fitted post Battle of Britain so could be available in BoM.

[Kongo-Otto]

Definately a good choice for Cliffs of Dover ,The Beaufighter in its night fighter role.
From Wikipedia.
"The Beaufighter found itself coming off the production line at almost exactly the same time as the first British Airborne Interception (AI) Night fighter radar sets. With the four 20 mm cannon mounted in the lower fuselage, the nose could accommodate the radar antennas, and the general spaciousness of the fuselage enabled the AI equipment to be fitted easily. Even loaded to 20,000 lb (9,100 kg) the plane was fast enough to catch German bombers."
There were also six 303`s fitted .
The Bf 110-G had radar fitted post Battle of Britain so could be available in BoM.

IIRC there was only one full Nachtjagdgeschwader at the Eastern Front which was NJG 100 starting in September 1943 and before that 10. and 12./NJG 5 flew operations in Russia during January 1943. Both 10. and 12./NJG 5 moved to Bryansk and Orel in June 1943, for Operation Citadel and operated under Luftflotte 6 in the Smolensk-Bryansk area and under Luftflotte 4 in the Poltava-Stalino area before transfered back to Germany in September 1943.

Yup the Beaufighter would be great and it could be used as Nightfighter in almost every future Scenario which may come.
Just a question: was the Beaufighter able to carry out Long distance night fighter missions or was this done by the Mosquito?

[6BL Bird-Dog]

The faster Mosquito took over in the night fighter role in mid to late 1942, The Beaufighters were used for anti-shipping, ground attack and long-range attacks on enemy assets .
Costal command equiped them for anti shipping with air to surface radar which was also handy for bad weather and night bombing raids.
Beaus could be equipped with Torpedo, bombs or rockets & proved successful in supressing flack from shipping whilst other aircraft attacked with bombs.
Still looking to see if there is any info on long range night fighter or bomber escort missions but the Mossie may have slotted into this role along with its pathfinder duties.

[SKUD]

Well actually what I had in mind was a WSO station you could either jump to or have a buddy take over like we have gunners join up in bombers.
The AI radar operator doesn't appeal to me. Make it realistic.

[andrea78]

Night missions with "Command and Control" mod by Checkyersix flying a schrage musik-fighter is total new experience for IL-2 (IMHO!), the best I tried in the last years.

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

Ok ju88 with guns is good enough:grin:, Im in love with the uhu 219 though, now theres some onboard radar;)

Did someone just mention torpedos, I want those on my 88 too!

[NZtyphoon]

He 219 v Mosquito NF Mk. 30 would be interesting - so would He 219 v Mosquito IX or XIV 'cept you can't shoot back at the Heinkel.

[Flanker35M]

S!

At end of war Kommando Welter quite effectively shot down Mosquitos with the Me262's. And RAF had no clue what Germans could have that caught the more or less untouchable Mossie. And these missions were flown without radar as Germany was already burning 24/7 so here was enough light to spot the planes. Another interesting feature that could be added later to IL-2 series..

[Untamo]

S!

The 110 G4 with "Jazz" is just awesome. Had the pleasure of flying it and down some Halifaxes in the Ruhr bombing SEOW a while back. Whenever I found a bomber (thanks to a good radar operator) and got below it without being noticed, at the moment I should start to line up my shot, my heart would start pounding like it was ready to explode :D .. Just pure awesome.