AMD 7970HD 3Gb and CoD

[Flanker35M]

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So today The Card arrived. Just got it installed with latest drivers and had time to quickly run a test with CoD. For AMD users oh the joy, the 3 lines of death are GONE!! YESSS!! Spit vs 110 track..maximum 68fps minimum 2fps(when it loads into cockpit), average 60FPS! :) I have VSync on.

Will do some more testing and report in this thread, but from what I tested the card is DAMN fast! :D Could not be happier!!!!!!

[Ataros]

Congratulations! :grin: And great news on 3 lines of death :)

Could you run the test with SSAO on and off, and with vsynk off and on also just to compare to gtx580 performance tests from here http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sukhoi.ru%2Fforum%2Fshowthread. php%3Ft%3D68723

What is your AA setting and resolution? With vsync ON triple buffering must be forced ON I think to avoid short drops to 30 fps in complex scenes.

gtx 580 results vary from 51 average to 65 with vsynk and SSAO off. Clouds ON in realism settings.

43 avg with SSAO and vsynk ON AA 4x 1920x1080

You can pause the track after loading cockpit and only then start the counter to avoid 2 min fps. You may also first run it once without a counter to load all textures into memory and record results only in the 2nd run. This is how they tested 580 and other cards there.

Do you experience the stripes bug on the border of land and water?

PS. E.g. sample results for 580:
I5-2500К-3.3GHz
min=13/14/15
avg=45/46
max=113/114/119

I5-2500К@4.0GHz
min=14/15/17
avg=50/51
max=134/138/140

I5-2500К@4.5GHz
min=14/15
avg=55/56
max=152/156/160

SSAO=off, AA=off, VSYNC=off.

ASRock P67 Extreme6 / Gainward GTX 580 / DDR3 1600 G.Skill 3X4 Gb / Crucial M4 CT128 SSD + CT064M4SSD2 /Asus Xonar Essence STX/ Monitor DELL U2410 1920x1200 / Windows 7 Home Premium - 64 bit / Warthog / TrackIR 5

What are your CPU clocks?

[Sven]

Excellent news! It's just so damn expensive :evil:

[Flanker35M]

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I run the card on the stock settings 925/1372MHz, 1920x1080 32-bit resolution. SSAO is Off as well as AA. Will post my CCC and game settings, need to plug in the joystick etc. again..had CoD kind of shelved before the patch :oops:

[Ataros]

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I run the card on the stock settings 925/1372MHz, 1920x1080 32-bit resolution. SSAO is Off as well as AA. Will post my CCC and game settings, need to plug in the joystick etc. again..had CoD kind of shelved before the patch :oops:

Thank you very much! Could you please run "The black death" track. The results for gtx580 are for this track. I did not notice you were running a different one, sorry.

[Flanker35M]

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Ok, made some quick runs with Black Death at 1920x1080 resolution and I think you find out something interesting in results. Mind you I did not clear cache before or between the tests, it MIGHT have an effect but anyway..here settings and numbers!

CCC Settings, Performance driver 11.12 from AMD

Antialiasing Mode : Use application settings, Morphological filtering OFF, Filter Standard.
Anisotropic Filtering : Use application settings
Tessellation: AMD Optimized (I think has no effect in CoD whatsoever)
Catalyst AI : Performance, Surface optimization Off
Vertical refresh : On, unless application specifies
Triple Buffer : Off (OpenGL setting only)

First runs I ran at what I had from my 6970HD. Cache was NOT cleared nor game restarted between runs in any phaze.

In-game settings...

Full Screen : On
Antialiasing : Off(in all tests)
Epilepsy : Off (in ALL tests)
SSAO : Off
Vsync : On

Model detail : High
Building detail : High
Land Detail : High
Forest : Low
Visual effects : Medium
Texture Quality : High

Damage decals : High
Buidlings amount : Unlimited
Land shading : High

Grass : Off
Shadows : On
Roads : On

Black Death ran once to load textures. Then the benchmarking run with FPS counter on. Counter was reset on each run to get consistent results.

Minimum: 10fps
Maximum: 68fps
Average: 45fps

Next run with VSync OFF, otherwise all remained same.

Minimum: 10fps
Maximum: 112fps
Average 48fps

Next run with SSAO ON, VSync Off. Otherwise similar settings. This was interesting!

Minimum: 10fps
Maximum: 111fps
Average: 47fps

Next run SSAO ON, VSync ON. Otherwise similar settings. Again interesting!

Minimum: 10fps
Maximum: 67fps
Average: 44fps

Then I changed graphics settings to VERY HIGH, VSync ON. Interesting average, should run another run?

Minimum: 5fps
Maximum: 67fps
Average: 34fps

Last run VERY HIGH, VSync OFF. Interesting results again..

Minimum: 5fps
Maximum: 112fps
Average: 45fps

So here a quick and dirty testing. Will do some cahce clearing and other tweaks. My system runs ALL at STOCK speeds, no overclocking. Signature for more info :)

[Ataros]

Thanks for sharing so detailed report!



First runs I ran at what I had from my 6970HD. Cache was NOT cleared nor game restarted between runs in any phaze.



Your registry may also have data remaining from 6970. It may help to make a clean reinstall of the drivers with DriverSweeper or DriverCleaner in safe mode.

The stock speed of your CPU is only 3.3GHz (http://ark.intel.com/products/52210/Intel-Core-i5-2500K-Processor-%286M-Cache-3_30-GHz%29) that can limit such a fast card like this one similar to gtx580 sample in my 1st post above. Do you have any utility to log your CPU load during the test? "Black Death" is very processor dependant I guess.

Highest texture setting is "Original". It is higher than "High".

[Flanker35M]

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Did clear the game cache to see if any difference. Settings in game are VERY HIGH. In CCC same as previous post. Results with and without VSync below.

Vsync ON

Minimum: 5fps
Maximum: 67fps
Average: 43fps


VSync OFF

Minimum: 5fps
Maximum: 112fps
Average: 45fps


So as an conclusion so far can say SSAO has almost no effect on any area of performance as it had before. Propably for best game play I would use VERY HIGH as base but change the following:

Building Detail: High, from Very High
Forest: Low or Medium, from maximum
Texture Quality: High, from Original
Visual Effects: Medium, from High

Will run a test with those changes and report back shortly.

[Ataros]

So as an conclusion so far can say SSAO has almost no effect on any area of performance as it had before.

This would be very strange unless processor is the bottle-neck.

Could you log your processor and or GPU load percentage?

[Flanker35M]

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Ran Vsync on/off tests with settings above. Results were OK, not much difference but again the track does not represent actual gameplay IMO. But the results :)

VSync ON

Minimum: 6fps
Maximum: 68fps
Average: 44fps

VSync OFF

Minimum: 11fps
Maximum: 112fps
Average: 46fps

Do you use a logging program of some sort Ataros, will gladly provide CPU/GPU usage stats for you :)

[Ataros]

Do you use a logging program of some sort Ataros, will gladly provide CPU/GPU usage stats for you :)

Thank you! This one has a "Log to file" checkbox on the 2nd tab for GPU. http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/2092/TechPowerUp_GPU-Z_v0.5.8.html

For CPU logging I have not used any recently, maybe someone else can help.

My concern is that with SSAO ON your tests deliver 3-4 fps difference with gtx580 (running 4x AA). But switching SSAO off gives gtx580 substantial fps increase.

Maybe a clean reinstall of drivers with DriverSweeper may help. I would also reinstall directX and .Net after the clean driver installation just in case :)

[Flanker35M]

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Ok, will get that proggie :) I did clean up old drivers and all. But never hurts to check again. Still the results are very promising as there are no graphical anomalies at all and the shimmering is less too. Back in a moment..testing again :)

[Ataros]

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Ok, will get that proggie :) I did clean up old drivers and all. But never hurts to check again. Still the results are very promising as there are no graphical anomalies at all and the shimmering is less too. Back in a moment..testing again :)

I am sure that the drivers are not fully optimised yet and there will be 10-15% performance increase in the future at least.

PS. Do you have the UBI logo deleted? :)

are no graphical anomalies at all and the shimmering is less too.

Very good news. So you do not have any stripes on the border of water and land? They bother me a lot.

[Flanker35M]

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Yes, got UBI logo disabled. Strangely enough the log shows that my GPU never went above 150/300MHz?!! Maybe the program does not fully support this card yet as it showed no GPU usage either..

Also waiting for new drivers to improve the performance and add to that the patch that should fix a lot of things for us performance wise :D So good times ahead...

Will continue testing and writing back..Need also to test online as well.

[Ataros]

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Yes, got UBI logo disabled. Strangely enough the log shows that my GPU never went above 150/300MHz?!! Maybe the program does not fully support this card yet as it showed no GPU usage either..

You can try ATI Tray Tools to make sure. It does not log to file but shows on screen display. http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=733
Go to Tools & Options >> OnScreenDisplay >> Enable OSD on 1st tab and then >> Flash OSD to configure which info to show (CPU, GPU, etc.)

[Flanker35M]

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The GPU kicked in as should, runs at full 3D speeds. Did some testing. Even SSAO did have almost no effect on tracks it has in game when flying low. Increases ocasional stutters, without it smooth. So left it off as I did not notice any IQ difference either.

[Ataros]

Propably for best game play I would use VERY HIGH as base but change the following:

Building Detail: High, from Very High
Forest: Low or Medium, from maximum
Texture Quality: High, from Original
Visual Effects: Medium, from High

Will run a test with those changes and report back shortly.

As this gave you only 1 FPS I make a conclusion that your processor is the bottleneck. You can get up to 10 more fps if you overclock as shown in my 1st post for gtx580.

Do you have any stripes bug on the border of water and land? I mean not 3 lines of death on the horizon but water stripes going inside land and land stripes going into water.

[Flanker35M]

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Have not noticed any stripes so far and also the strange anomaly at the edge of draw distance with better textures is smoother. Clearly visible now over France but less so over England.

As of overclocking..even the 2500K does it nicely I am not very keen overclocker anymore. Too much fiddling around. Sure maybe a few MHz could help, but I want to OC only the CPU in that case as 1600MHz DDR3 should be fast enough.

As of testing other games...World of Tanks ran great. GTA IV had a strange anomaly, it let me play only in 800x600 because I was at "edge of running out of resources"..WTF?! 200mb of 3Gb used and game says no resources?! Now how I can reset the game settings to get it to work again..

Anyways..back to testing. Last night took a quick swing at a Repka dogfight server. Ran smoothly without stuttering, so very nice :)

[priller26]

Very interesting to hear about your FPS with the new card. I am getting I believe the same or close to frame rates with my 3 gig nvidia card. I am
also not a big fan of overclocking, I have tried it a few times, however I don't see the point in possibly frying your cpu/motherboard for a few more FPS, it's
to me just not worth the risk. I think your stock CPU with your graphics card should not be perceived as a bottleneck. I can't imagine you even noticing
a 10 FPS increase from say 60-70. There are many great articles on what exactly the eye sees, how it perceives it, and I'd be happy with 60 FPS.

[Ataros]

For comparison performance in ArmA2 http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2011/12/22/amd-radeon-hd-7970-3gb-review/4

(visibility 3600 m. only, not maximum 10 000)

Flanker, did you try pseudo-fullscreen mode? Luthier mentioned it may help ATI cards.

Also if you can quickly look through this list maybe you notice something that can hold the card back if it is not the CPU or drivers (like antivirus real-time shields, epilepsy, etc.) http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=254014&postcount=13

[priller26]

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Have not noticed any stripes so far and also the strange anomaly at the edge of draw distance with better textures is smoother. Clearly visible now over France but less so over England.

As of overclocking..even the 2500K does it nicely I am not very keen overclocker anymore. Too much fiddling around. Sure maybe a few MHz could help, but I want to OC only the CPU in that case as 1600MHz DDR3 should be fast enough.

As of testing other games...World of Tanks ran great. GTA IV had a strange anomaly, it let me play only in 800x600 because I was at "edge of running out of resources"..WTF?! 200mb of 3Gb used and game says no resources?! Now how I can reset the game settings to get it to work again..

Anyways..back to testing. Last night took a quick swing at a Repka dogfight server. Ran smoothly without stuttering, so very nice :)


Hello Flanker, do you think you could test something for me? My frame rates are roughly those of yours. When I am landing, and press for the 3rd person view of my plane, as it touches down, and the dust starts, my frames drop under 10 FPS. Can you tell me what your FPS are with your card with this scenario? Thank you!

[Flanker35M]

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Will do :) Reporting back in a moment.

[Flanker35M]

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FPS dropped from 60fps to 40fps at worst dusting while landing. So not a big hit compared to 6970HD where it went very low. Still the particles, smoke etc. could use an optimization :)

Ataros, my bet is on the drivers as the card is so new. A few driver revisions might give us a nice boost etc. But checking those links you put up :)

[priller26]

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FPS dropped from 60fps to 40fps at worst dusting while landing. So not a big hit compared to 6970HD where it went very low. Still the particles, smoke etc. could use an optimization :)

Ataros, my bet is on the drivers as the card is so new. A few driver revisions might give us a nice boost etc. But checking those links you put up :)


Thanks Flanker, that is pretty amazing. Were you inside the cockpit when you noticed the frame drop from 60-40, or were you on the f6 or f8 3rd person chase scene when the dust kicked up? If so, I cant understand why the geforce 580 with 3 gigs would take such a huge hit, my cpu runs at 3.4 and its the fastest AMD multicore out there. I may have missed it, but what screen resolution are you running?
Thanks again for your help!

[Flanker35M]

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I was in F2 view looking back at the dust. Running 1920x1080 resolution. Just feels strange that only game with problems is IL-2, rest run without a glitch now. Well, I remain confident about the performance patch Luthier & Co are working on :)

[Ataros]

also the strange anomaly at the edge of draw distance with better textures is smoother. Clearly visible now over France but less so over England.

Could you please make a screenshot when you see it next time over France? BTW make sure Anisotropic Filtering is set to Application Controlled in drivers. Otherwise this could be the reason.

[Flanker35M]

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Allright, will get you the screenie :D I use Application Controlled in CCC as most games work better with their own settings than via forcing them. Less tinker, less hassle most of the time.

EDIT: Here is the pic..you see the yellowish is the low rez and other is the normal.

[Flanker35M]

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Here more easy to compare. In Textures-picture you see the French coast where high resolution meets the low resolution aka view range. In the GB Textures you see the transition is less pronounced, look at 1oc, the lower resolution is lighter green but blends better. I hope this clears it :)

[Ataros]

EDIT: Here is the pic..you see the yellowish is the low rez and other is the normal.

Yes, I can see, thank you. Does the normal green-textured area make a square field around the player if viewed from a higher altitude?

[Flanker35M]

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Yes, the "view range" of high resolution is a big square around you. It could be bypassed maybe with a bit heavier fog/haze as you do not spot a plane over coast of France from Dover anyway, at least in the game.

[Ataros]

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Yes, the "view range" of high resolution is a big square around you. It could be bypassed maybe with a bit heavier fog/haze as you do not spot a plane over coast of France from Dover anyway, at least in the game.

Thanks for testing! I hoped I get this square only because I run the game on low or sometimes med landscape details settings. I hoped it should disappear on high settings.

[Flanker35M]

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Let's hope the new patch will address these issues as well. But at least no 3 stripes of death anymore! :D

[Jugdriver]

You are killing me Flanker, I am just waiting for the non-reference versions to start showing up before I purchase one.

JD
AKA_MattE

[TheEditor]

I'm just waiting for Nvidia to come out with their cards before picking between that or the AMD card.

[Flanker35M]

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I wanted a non-reference one too but small supply of cards only here so had to take what I could. I am happy with it and a lot. As of the nVidia..I am interested in it too, but I am sure it will be a lot more expensive than AMD. At least there was over 150€ difference here between 6970HD and 580GTX so was not worth it...But anyway..great to see new tech coming :D

[priller26]

Everything I read indicates the new Nvidia Keplars are not going to be out for some time. This means, for now at least, your limited to the gtx580 3 gig or Flankers new AMD card if you want to get these high frame rates. I still do not understand while Im having such an issue with my "dust". What clock speed are you running your cpu Flanker? I believe you said 3.3?

Thanks for your help with my questions.

[BigC208]

I was contemplating getting a 7970 myself but have decided to wait a bit. If the games graphics engine has been optimized I hope SLI/X-Fire is fixed. I might get another GTX570 if that's the case. If Kepler is out by that time I 'll weigh that one in as well.

[Flanker35M]

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Priller, I run the 2500K at stock speeds, so it might be this 3.3-3.4GHz. Kepler seems to be a nice thingy, but remains to be seen. And AMD is for sure planning for a refresh before that :) Interesting times!

BigC..I am sure that when Luthier's team get the GFX engine working with proper SLI/CrossFire an another 570GTX will do just fine.

[priller26]

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Priller, I run the 2500K at stock speeds, so it might be this 3.3-3.4GHz. Kepler seems to be a nice thingy, but remains to be seen. And AMD is for sure planning for a refresh before that :) Interesting times!

BigC..I am sure that when Luthier's team get the GFX engine working with proper SLI/CrossFire an another 570GTX will do just fine.

Yes, I too read that AMD will have newer line/updates out by the time kepler is even out.

[speculum jockey]

I'm just waiting for Nvidia to come out with their cards before picking between that or the AMD card.

Even if it turns out that the AMD 7XXX card is the better one, Nvidia releasing their new flagship product can only help pricing. AMD usually drops their prices a little if a new Nvidia card has comparable specs and performance, at a similar price.

[Flanker35M]

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Which I see is a good thing. The flagship cards are after all not the main market but the mid range of 200-300Euro/Dollars. But for the companies the most important is of course right to brag with the fastest card on market :D

For now I am more than happy with the performance of this AMD 7970HD. It screams thru all games I've thrown it and by a margin over my previous 6970HD. The card is quiet, uses less power and temps are in check too. So far seen 30'C on idle and some 63-70'C while gaming..my case and cpu fan make more noise than this card :D Now it is just to wait for the drivers to mature a bit more, AMD has done great work with the card and their long term plan seems to pay off now :)

[Ataros]

Did you manage to see typical GPU load percentage with the ATI Tray Tools?

For my old card it is 100% in most situations but IIRC for gtx580 it can be as low as 60-70%.

[Flanker35M]

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Managed to get the usage with GPU-Z. Clocks ticked in normally 925/1375MHz, memory was used up to 921Mb average being 800Mb or so. GPU usage varied between 20-91%, average around 40-50%.

[TheEditor]

Only 40-50%? Is that a cpu bottleneck or is the games code at fault?

[Flanker35M]

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Editor, my bet is on the game code. Eagerly waiting for the patch to see what it brings to the table :)

[Ataros]

On the other hand this shows that the game scales well with CPU speed:
I5-2500К-3.3GHz
min=13/14/15
avg=45/46
max=113/114/119

I5-2500К@4.0GHz
min=14/15/17
avg=50/51
max=134/138/140

I5-2500К@4.5GHz
min=14/15
avg=55/56
max=152/156/160

SSAO=off, AA=off, VSYNC=off.

ASRock P67 Extreme6 / Gainward GTX 580 / DDR3 1600 G.Skill 3X4 Gb / Crucial M4 CT128 SSD + CT064M4SSD2 /Asus Xonar Essence STX/ Monitor DELL U2410 1920x1200 / Windows 7 Home Premium - 64 bit / Warthog / TrackIR 5

[Flanker35M]

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Seems the 4GHz is the sweet spot as above it the gain is less. I rather run stock as other games cause run extremely well anyway.

[priller26]

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Seems the 4GHz is the sweet spot as above it the gain is less. I rather run stock as other games cause run extremely well anyway.


Does anyone, AMD or Intel even make a cpu that runs stock at 4.0 or above?

[Codex]

Does anyone, AMD or Intel even make a cpu that runs stock at 4.0 or above?

The Intel Core i7 3960X comes close in turbo mode (3.9 GHz), but you really would just get the 3930X (3.8GHz) and overclock it for the $500+ difference ;)

[SFF_Karhu]

Hi.

Thank you very much Flanker35M and Ataros. Very intresting results. I also wait the non-reference models like Asus DCII 7970. Have to wait middle of february.

[TheEditor]

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7950-overclock-crossfire-benchmark,3123-3.html

Here is the 7950

[Flanker35M]

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7950HD seems to be a strong performer in it's price class really :) Times will get really interesting with nVidia's offering coming out at some point.

[Ataros]

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7950-overclock-crossfire-benchmark,3123-3.html

Here is the 7950

Thank you.

We knew from our Radeon HD 7970 launch coverage that this architecture does not handle DirectX 9-based apps particularly well. Whether that’s an inherent compromise or a lack of driver maturity will become more evident over time.

What is immediately apparent, though, is that switching into DirectX 11 mode, which hammers every other architecture, turns out to be a simple movement sideways for the Radeon HD 7970 and 7950. In fact, at 2560x1600, both boards perform better using DirectX 11.


Hm... Anyone knows if CloD is more DX9 or DX10 application (or both depending on conf.ini setting)?

Does changing Render=D3D10_0 to D3D10_1 or D3D11 or D3D11-0 in conf.ini change performance?

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

Hi there Ataros, this is from a post Luthier did on performance.



E. NOTE: DirectX 9 offers slower performance and lower graphic fidelity. If your system meets Recommended system requirements, upgrading to a DX10-capable operating system will offer better performance boost in Cliffs of Dover than perhaps any hardware upgrade.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=19819

[Ataros]

Hi, MajorBoris. Thanks for info.

Then we are lucky we have a DX10 engine at least unlike some other games.

[SFF_Karhu]

Does changing Render=D3D10_0 to D3D10_1 or D3D11 or D3D11-0 in conf.ini change performance?

Hi!

What does D3D10_0 and D3D10_1 means? Off and on? Thanks. I did try D3D11_0 but it had a performance hit for me. Now I use D3D10_0.

[Ataros]

Hi!

What does D3D10_0 and D3D10_1 means? Off and on? Thanks. I did try D3D11_0 but it had a performance hit for me. Now I use D3D10_0.

I think these are different versions of DX10 or different ways the game uses DX10.

[Flanker35M]

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I use the setting DirectX 10_0 meaning it uses DirectX 10.0. Not sure if changing to 10_1 does anything. But that we know that 11_0 does not fully work yet. And as of AMD not working in DX 9..I doubt it. Played older games and they run just fine.

[priller26]

I'm trying to figure out why the 3gig card Flanker is using does not take the FPS hit on particles, ie, dust, gun firing that the 580GTX 3 gig experiences. Any ideas?

[Ataros]

It has different architecture and is generally faster according to many other tests. Thus it may be faster in CloD in complex scenes where FPS is minimal.

But I am not sure it does not take the FPS hit on particles. To prove it you have to run the same track under the same conditions (CPU speed & cache size, memory, game and driver settings, software running, etc., etc.)

[hc_wolf]

Welcome to the land of Big VCards Flanker.

I ran the Spit vs 110 track. so you have a compare. Vsync on i get .
maximum 68fps (spikes) minimum 60fps, average 60FPS!

Vsync off avg FPS 89 Max 118

My nvidia settings all standard except I set me pre rendered frames to 8

[machoo]

No real point in comparing FPS. The game is so unoptimized over land it's just a mess. It should easily pull 100fps on full detail over land without any stuttering.

[335th_GRAthos]

I'm trying to figure out why the 3gig card Flanker is using does not take the FPS hit on particles, ie, dust, gun firing that the 580GTX 3 gig experiences. Any ideas?


Hi Priller,
Why do you say it does not take an FPS hit?

From what I saw in the posts I read, Flanker said it does.


~S~

By the way, I do not hear good news about the next NV generation :(
I hear about 2Gb VRAM (only) and special code delivered by NV in order to be added to the game code in order to achieve vastly superior performance = re-translated: No special graphics code written, graphics performance will be unimpressive :(

[Flanker35M]

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Indeed not good news for nVidia :( I hoped there would be a nice competetive card from them, but this "add a code only for NV card to make an application to work fast" sounds VERY bad. Adds more discrenpancy to gaming etc. when special codes are needed. On the other hands shows that AMD's long term planning is paying off now, they have very good lineup and a solid product to upgrade later on.

And yes I take a hit in FPS with dust but not so much as with the 6970HD. Actually now my gaming is VERY smooth, only occasional hiccups when something is loaded. But otherwise very nice :) Drivers to mature and new patch = good times!

[TheEditor]

Hi Priller,
Why do you say it does not take an FPS hit?

From what I saw in the posts I read, Flanker said it does.


~S~

By the way, I do not hear good news about the next NV generation :(
I hear about 2Gb VRAM (only) and special code delivered by NV in order to be added to the game code in order to achieve vastly superior performance = re-translated: No special graphics code written, graphics performance will be unimpressive :(

source? Nvidia isn't releasing much data on their new cards at all! We just have to sit back and wait for real news/release time.

[335th_GRAthos]

source? Nvidia isn't releasing much data on their new cards at all! We just have to sit back and wait for real news/release time.

Source: some people who are running the benchmarks ;)

[machoo]

Hi Priller,
Why do you say it does not take an FPS hit?

From what I saw in the posts I read, Flanker said it does.


~S~

By the way, I do not hear good news about the next NV generation :(
I hear about 2Gb VRAM (only) and special code delivered by NV in order to be added to the game code in order to achieve vastly superior performance = re-translated: No special graphics code written, graphics performance will be unimpressive :(


I think all the dust particles , bullets , explosions ect are mainly to do with the CPU. I upgraded a few days ago to a 2500k from a E7400 and now all the micro stutters when in combat have just about all gone. The rest comes down to bad coding in the game itself.

[r0bc]

If the engineers at Nvidia see any advantage to adding a larger frame buffer, Kepler well have a larger frame buffer. Ram is pretty cheap.
Some of the same sites that have the leaks specs also say its at least 45% faster, we won't no the truth until actual cards get out in the wild.

[Flanker35M]

S!

As r0bc said, when we get the actual tests we will know. Until then it is only wild speculation and marketing hype :) But nevertheless interesting to see how Kepler will do. One thing is sure though, it will be premium priced some 100-200€ over 7970HD as always with nVidia.

[JG52Krupi]

More Kepler info... time will tell.

http://www.3dcenter.org/news/die-aktuellen-spezifikationen-zum-gk104-kepler-performance-chip

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/2/10/real-nvidia-kepler2c-gk1042c-geforce-gtx-670680-specs-leak-out.aspx

Not sure I believe the prices ;)

[335th_GRAthos]

thanks Kruppi, interesting posts!

@Editor: Unfortunately my first "prediction" is confirmed, only 2Gb VRAM seems to have become a widespread rumour :(

Time to start praying that Luthier's new graphic patch will handle VRAM more efficiently... 2,4Gb VRAM is what we need with max settings :(


~S~

[JG52Krupi]

Hmm well my 5970 which only has 2GB and no crossfire seems to work okay :D... okay not with max settings but hopefully with the next patch we won't need 3Gigs of vram to run the game well lol

[Flanker35M]

S!

Is that CUDA for OpenCL and similar things and has nothing to do with gaming? If so then what use it is to stuff a lot of them if no game uses them? The article was a bit green tinted so I will wait for actual figures when Kepler is released. But it can be a strong contender to AMD Tahiti series which is good as then the price wars begin :D

[FFCW_Urizen]

On the other hand this shows that the game scales well with CPU speed:

I5-2500К-3.3GHz
min=13/14/15
avg=45/46
max=113/114/119

I5-2500К@4.0GHz
min=14/15/17
avg=50/51
max=134/138/140

I5-2500К@4.5GHz
min=14/15
avg=55/56
max=152/156/160

SSAO=off, AA=off, VSYNC=off.

ASRock P67 Extreme6 / Gainward GTX 580 / DDR3 1600 G.Skill 3X4 Gb / Crucial M4 CT128 SSD + CT064M4SSD2 /Asus Xonar Essence STX/ Monitor DELL U2410 1920x1200 / Windows 7 Home Premium - 64 bit / Warthog / TrackIR 5



Not necessarilty. As NV cards, or more accurately the driver allows to outsource some calculations onto the CPU, this increase in fps may not be mainly due to ocing the cpu but a result of nv drivers. so, in case of nv-gpus, it would be nice to know, if that particular setting (iirc "Multithreading" or something alike) is activated or not, and best, such tests should be run with it on and off to get a conclusive result.

This is of much concern for me, as i´m planning on replacing my Q6700 (as it is already 4 years old, hence i don´t call it an upgrade :D ) and would like to know, what cpu will i really need. not just for clod, but other games as well.

[Flanker35M]

S!

How many games really use several cores efficiently, as what I've read it is not "just like that" to program real multicore support or such. Will be interesting to see how Kepler will be and the upcoming AMD updates. Seems the GPU contest is getting very interesting :D

[priller26]

Well, my cpu...AMD Phenon 1100T x6 at 3.8 with win 7 64, 16 gigs of ram, and the 3 gig nvidia 580GTX SHOULD be able to easily handle particle effects, it does with no issue whatsoever in DSC A10, and shouldn't with this game as well. When frame rates come down from 60 flying to 8 upon landing kicking up dust, that tells me its not my cpu or gpu.

Thanks all for your help!

[TheEditor]

As far as CPU's, the 2500k is a great pick. It doesn't run much above 50% in CLoD but atm that's due to my out of date HD 5770 card bottlenecking it.

All these GPU stats don't mean a thing to me until I start seeing the benchmarks for games. I'll then buy the best card between AMD/Nvidia base off of price/performance.

[Flanker35M]

S!

It will be interesting to see the game benches coming out. But again in most cases the FPS games are used to measure as they are the majority. Very few reviewers use flight sims so I guess that task is up to us to do :D

[TheEditor]

Sounds like you just volunteered! :)

[335th_GRAthos]

I'm trying to figure out why the 3gig card Flanker is using does not take the FPS hit on particles, ie, dust, gun firing that the 580GTX 3 gig experiences. Any ideas?

I think I have one:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970-benchmark-tahiti-gcn,3104.html

Look at the difference between the two GPUs in terms of
Stream processors: 2048 vs 512
Texture Units: 128 vs 64
Texture Fillrate: 118.4 Gtex/s vs 49.4 Gtex/s
Memory Bandwidth: 264 GB/s vs 192.4 GB/s

Except for the Memory Bandwith, the 7970is more than 100% percent powerfull than the 580GTX.



I admit, I started showing signs of weakness....I was holding one 7970 in my hands today... :(


~S~

[TheEditor]

I admit, I started showing signs of weakness....I was holding one 7970 in my hands today... :(


~S~

Hold on brother, the wait is coming to an end....Hurry up Nvidia!

[335th_GRAthos]

ROFL Editor, nice one! :D :D :D

I am afraid the NV cards we need are the models planned for August (the GK110 core), not the GK104 core NV will introduce now.


@Flanker: How is the noice of the 7970? I see that this was a point of misery in the tests...

~S~

[Flanker35M]

S!

I find the 7970D quite quiet. It idles at around 30'C and under load seen figures like 60-75'C. The fan has not gone near 50% ever. I play with headphones so can not hear the computer next to me anyway.

[BRIGGBOY]

Is the 680 released this month a Gk104 or Gk110 and if not which ones are earmarked to be Gk110

[335th_GRAthos]

Is the 680 released this month a Gk104 or Gk110 and if not which ones are earmarked to be Gk110

Apparently, this month is a GK104 and the GK110 is expected after August.

~S~

[BRIGGBOY]

Ok I know it is all speculation but I have read in a few places that the 680 is a gk110 and it might be out in February

[Friedric]

Thank you.



Hm... Anyone knows if CloD is more DX9 or DX10 application (or both depending on conf.ini setting)?

Does changing Render=D3D10_0 to D3D10_1 or D3D11 or D3D11-0 in conf.ini change performance?


Where can you find this ?

[335th_GRAthos]

Ok I know it is all speculation but I have read in a few places that the 680 is a gk110 and it might be out in February

Pure Speculation (unfortunately :( )

There will be the GK104 series now. Apparently two versions of it just as they did with the GF114 core:
The GTX560 is marked GF114-325.
The GTX560ti is marked GF114-400.

And the GK110 series which will be the high-end core will come in August.


~S~

[BRIGGBOY]

Right ok thx for explanation

[kestrel79]

How much power does a 7950 or 7970 take? I have a 650w Corsair psu. Is that good enough?

I'd be up for upgrading later this year, along with a 27" monitor.

[Momod]

I`m running a 7970 with a 600w PSU, all ok

[Flanker35M]

S!

I use a Corsair TX650 and is more than enough. I do NOT overclock which would require a bigger PSU. The 7970HD draws LESS power than 6970HD. Also getting rid of traditional HDDs in favor of SSDs is good, quite a bit less power draw and noise..even sometimes you miss the rattle of HDD :D Oldskool!

[335th_GRAthos]

Flanker,

This maybe of interest to you... http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=392655&posted=1#post392655

If it does, WE WANT PICTURES! (and fps) :D

~S~

[Flanker35M]

S!

Will test when home from work and post here. Just as sidenote..was wondering why game all of sudden ran slow. Cleared cache, checked GPU setting etc. At last found it..due Steam cloud the conf.ini files differed for some reason AGAIN! So checked and saved = smooth again. So worth verfying these files now and then..might help.

[335th_GRAthos]

At last found it..due Steam cloud the conf.ini files differed for some reason AGAIN! So checked and saved = smooth again. So worth verfying these files now and then..might help.

Thanks for this! Never use cloud myself but good to know. If true, it probably merits a separate thread on it own, it may get lost in here...

Flanker, when you post pictures, is it possible to also have the fps frame rate shown? (fps SHOW START)

~S~

[Flanker35M]

S!

Maybe Ataros could add the conf.ini check to his tips & tricks thread? Will turn on FPS when testing!

[Majo]

First of all I can re-confirm, as it has been mentioned before in this thread, that the HD7970 3GB GPU
works perfectly with a 600W PSU.
So no additional cost for the upgrade.

I have 2 basic systems running CloD based in P67, 2500K and 8GB RAM with the only significant difference
of the GPU a HD7970 3G vs GTX580 1,5GB.
They both run in 1920x1080, they both share, as much as possible, graphic configuration in the driver
control panels, the both share graphic options, as much as possible, in the game.

In game Graphic Options values in high, but Low in Forest, Low in building detail, Medium Effects,
Medium Decals.
Unlimited buildings.
Grass, Shadows & Roads on.
VSYNC in game On for ATI, VSYNC forced On in driver for Nvidia.
I do not want to enter much into detail because at this moment this is not the objective of this post.
Even though I am open to any specific request.
All the comparison has been done with the Black Death Track, no flying low over London for me…

With both systems I have very similar results.
Average always over 50FPS with consistent values in the 51-53 FPS.
Maximum limited to 60FPS (VSYNC ON).
Minimum 3-6FPS for Nvidia 12-15FPS for ATI.

Here, in the minimum, is where the most significant difference appears. ATI is able to handle better,
twice as better, the effects related to dust, explosions, fire and so on. Still the frame hit is excessively
stressful for the GPU.

When the hurri is blasted by explosions while is trying to take off is the moment of maximum stress
for the GPU. There are others, for example the ball of fire after the vertical crash of the wingless hurri,
or the right turn of the bf110 around the huge smoke column.

No difference in AA, that is bad. External tool FXAA works perfect in both configurations.
Shadow “flickering” same for both, neither able to correctly manage the shadows of smoke,
bad for both.

Others consideration, after a 4 times cycles of track playing the ATI reaches a stable temp. of 70ºC
with the only standard available fan/cooler. GTX580 seems to be cooler but the model I have do not
uses the standard cooler. Noise level is always at acceptable values.
Nvidia seems to be more comfortable with the original Il-2 at max. settings (not shown in FPS counters),
but ATI has solved all issues with the OGL drivers.

Beware I also belong to the "no manned cars, no manned tanks, no manned flack, just planes" lobby group.
So this could be all wrong. ;)

Salutes, Majo.

[335th_GRAthos]

Minimum 3-6FPS for Nvidia 12-15FPS for ATI.

Thanks for all the comparisons Majo, much appreciated! :)

It confirms that ATI7970 is the strongest card today and at the same time not enough (we need to wait for a year or more until GPUs are able to give us those 60+ fps we have with IL2 - or a miracle with Luthier's new graphic model).

Maybe it is the 1,5Gb VRAM of the GTX580 that is the limiting factor causing this lower min fps?
Is it possible to look how much % percent of the VRAM is utilized? I know for NV you can do this with NVInspector but I have no experience with ATI.

I rememeber well, the max VRAM measured (flying over London) was 2,4Gb VRAM. So maybe the GTX580 1,5Gb has its hands (ehem..chips) full very quickly thus struggles with the memory I/O much longer than the 3Gb 7970

~S~

[Flanker35M]

S!

Need to run Black Death and this weather test to see how 7970HD fares on my system compared to Majo's. Not much difference between except I use Z68 chipset.

[Jugdriver]

Which Drivers are you guys using? My 7970 shows up today and I see they have a 12.2 driver out.

JD
AKA_MattE

[Flanker35M]

S!

I am using the 8.95 RC. Found at GuruD..and now off to test :)

[Flanker35M]

S!

Did quick run on the weather missions, results below..System in signature.

Storm: min/max/avg 19/62/45FPS
Overcast with breaks: 32/63/50FPS
Cumulus: 58/63/60FPS

Black Death: 10/68/46FPS

[SG1_Lud]

S!

Did quick run on the weather missions, results below..System in signature.

Storm: min/max/avg 19/62/45FPS
Overcast with breaks: 32/63/50FPS
Cumulus: 58/63/60FPS

Black Death: 10/68/46FPS


Flanker, could you edit the thunderstorm in the FMB and test what is the biggest radius you can assign to it and still having good/fluid FPS's. Thank you in advance 8-)

[Flanker35M]

S!

I am a n00b with the FMB, but can try :D It seems the lowest FPS comes when you go below the clouds, not so much above them. I had no stutter, it was quite smooth except you could feel the low FPS.

Will run more tests to get more consistent results. The Black Death is not IMHO a good measure of performance as it has graphical glitches I never see in game, like flickering explosions, the strange smoke "streak" from the fallen Me110C, flickering cloud shadows etc. My guess is that as it is made with another version of the game it does not work proper on newre ones, same could be seen on IL-2 BD track.

[SG1_Lud]

S!

I am a n00b with the FMB, but can try :D It seems the lowest FPS comes when you go below the clouds, not so much above them. I had no stutter, it was quite smooth except you could feel the low FPS.

Will run more tests to get more consistent results. The Black Death is not IMHO a good measure of performance as it has graphical glitches I never see in game, like flickering explosions, the strange smoke "streak" from the fallen Me110C, flickering cloud shadows etc. My guess is that as it is made with another version of the game it does not work proper on newre ones, same could be seen on IL-2 BD track.

Thanks m8, you only need to open the mission in FMB, you'll se a cloud icon, select, right click for properties and edit the radius. I just want to check if the card can stand clouds as far as sight can reach.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Ok, thanks for the tip! Will check it tomorrow, getting a bit late now and work awaits :(

[Jugdriver]

S!

I am using the 8.95 RC. Found at GuruD..and now off to test :)

So those are the 12.3 preview drivers I think. What were the drivers you were using when you first made your Black Death Benchmarks?

Thanks

JD
AKA_MattE

[Flanker35M]

S!

I used the drivers that came upon launch of the card.

[Jugdriver]

Did you notice a change with the new 12.3/8.95 drivers? Reason I ask is that our general system specs are not that far apart but my benchmark in the Black Death track is a lot slower (average) than yours. The card is certainly an improvement over my 5870, but I am at a loss as to why my average in the black death track is so far off of yours. I just got the card installed last night so I obviously need to tweak it a bit, I am just trying to get my head around it.

JD
AKA_MattE

[Flanker35M]

S!

My CCC settings below, try them :) I will also set my conf.ini for comparison.

CCC

Anti-Aliasing: Use application settings, Morphological OFF, Filter at Standard
Anisotropic Filtering: Application settings
Tessellation: AMD Optimized
Catalyst AI: Performance, Surface Opti OFF
Vertical Refresh: On unless app specifies
AA Mode: Performance
OpenGL: Triple buffer Off


And the conf.ini regarding 3D..

[BOB]
EpilepsyFilter=0

[window]
DepthBits=24
StencilBits=8
DrawIfNotFocused=1
SaveAspect=0
Render=D3D10_0
width=1920
height=1080
posLeft=0
posTop=0
ColourBits=32
FullScreen=1
ChangeScreenRes=1
Frequency=60
StereoMode=0



[core]
RandSeed=0
TexQual=2
TexFlags.PolygonStipple=0
Shadows=1
SpecularLight=2
DiffuseLight=2
DynamicalLights=1
MeshDetail=2
LandShading=2
LandDetails=2
Sky=3
Forest=2
VisibilityDistance=3
LandGeom=2
DrawCollisions=1
Water=-1
Effects=1
EffFlags.Light=1
EffFlags.SpriteRender=0
Grass=3
CordEffect=1
UseFog=0
UseLandCube=1
UseLandConnectedObject=1
LinearObjectManager=1
Roads=1
Sun=1
Clouds=1
EffFlags.LightSpritesProj=1
ShadowMapSize=4
TexFlags.AsyncLoad=1
TexFlags.ShowTexture=0
SimpleMesh.SWTransform=0
SimpleMesh.QuadTreeClip=1
SimpleMesh.InstancingHW=1
EffFlags.LightContextSprites=1
CloudsFlags.Detailed=1
TexFlags.CreateHDR=1
Decals=2
EffFlags.SWLight=0
TexFlags.CockpitOnePass=0
MegaTexture=0
TexFlags.Reflection=0
RenderTargetQual=3
MSAA=0
MeshStatics=3
MeshStaticsDetail=1
SimpleMesh.QTNoCompose=0
MeshFirstLod=0
MeshShowLod=0
SpawnHumans=0
TexFlags.SSAO=0
TexFlags.VSync=1
TexFlags.FastTransparency=1

[Jugdriver]

Thanks Flanker, I will work on it tonight after work.

Appreciate the help.

JD
AKA_MattE

[Flanker35M]

S!

I hope those settings help or give an idea where to look at :) Just not fiddling so much now as the patch is around the corner so we will see how that changes the situation :D

[Jugdriver]

Flanker could you answer another question for me, looking in GPU-Z when flying COD what is your GPU load?

Thanks

JD
AKA_MattE

[Flanker35M]

S!

I think I posted it earlier in the thread, something around 40% or so average. So not very much.

[TheEditor]

Jugdriver, what is your cpu load? Flanker does have a much better cpu.

[Jugdriver]

Thanks Flanker, 40% is inline with that I thought you would say. Mine is running at 25%-30% and thus my benchmarks in The Black Death are lower than yours. Well let’s hope the game optimization, and better drivers are able to make the cards work to their full potential. I at least know what a big part of the problem is; Shadows are obviously a huge hit to my CPU (even though only one core is really being taxed). I am seriously hoping that the Devs can offload the hit that shadows produce on my CPU onto my GPU which is not really working very hard.

The ironic part is that I bought an AMD CPU and AMD/ATI cards because of how AMD were touting them working together for a better gaming experience and your Intel i5 2500K is handily doing a better a better job of working with the 7970 card, DAMN MARKETING!

@ Editor, I have one core working at 80% to 95% but the other four (I run the game on five of the six cores) are cruising along at 25%, there is no doubt COD is doing a terrible (if any) job of utilizing my other cores. I was looking at benchmarks last night and most show the i5 2500K about 12% faster than my 1090T, but I also have a slight overclock to 3.4ghz (all cores) and my memory is going at 1700mhz so I would say the difference in something like 3Dmark between our two processors would be under 10%. Where the i5 2500K does crush my 1090T is in memory read/write speed, it is almost double, and even though I am not a computer engineer this obviously has something to do with its significant performance advantage, especially with regards to shadows. I guess only time will tell if COD’s optimization and improved Catalyst will allow for more of my CPU and GPU to be utilized.

JD
AKA_MattE

[Flanker35M]

S!

Jugdriver, I went from AMD 1090T to Intel 200K not so long ago and can say that the 2500K is a real bang for the buck. Not that the AMD CPU's are bad, but Intel without doubt holds the crown at the moment. I have used both brands over the years so I have no tint in my glasses when looking at them ;) :D

If you checked my conf.ini there I did lower the shadow setting from 5 to 4 without any discernable difference in IQ but a slight bump in performance. I hope also that the new patch will help us all and soon enough the beta should come..or so we all hope :D

I could try OC my CPU but again not sure if the PSU is enough as OC sure makes Wattage go skyrocketing :D Maybe a few MHz would not hurt, just to see if it has any effect. But again the patch is close so maybe after it has been released I will get into OC..if needed at all.

Driver wise I went to 12.2 Pre-Certified ones and they are smooth ones. 8.6 ones sometimes dropped the PCIe to 1x from 16X! Not good on FPS I can tell you :D Even then there was very little stutter but sure some 30-40FPS is not playable in my eyes :D

[SFF_Karhu]

Hi.

Flanker, your PSU is enough! You can easily overclock your 2500K to 4.5 Ghz, almost not touching the voltage adjustment. I am very ecsited to see, how much improvment you can get if you overclock you CPU on Clod. I still wait the Asus 7970DCII version of the card! Here is a link to X-Bit Labs (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/power-consumption-overclocking_15.html#sect0)article about power consumption and overcloking CPU. A mid-range overcloking doesnt increase the power draw much.

[Jugdriver]

Karhu,

Were you able to go from 3.4 to 4.85 on stock volts?

JD
AKA_MattE

[SFF_Karhu]

Hi Jugdriver,

I am running my 2600K at 1.320V on bios at 4.8 GHz on all cores now, HT off. When I stress the cores on Prime95, the voltages are 1.328-1.336 and temps are 68,74,77,73(Noctua D-14). When playing, the stress level to cores and temps are not so high at all! Default voltage is around 1.240. And when stressing the power draw is from 95W to 120W for CPU. The hole system power draw is about 300W whitout overcloking the GPU. You can overclock your memory too. When playing games, the sweet spot is 1866MHZ and over. So if you have 1333 or 1600 MHz memory, it is a good idea to overclock them too.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Well..could try a small OC to something like 4GHz.Cooler is more than enough for it :-) Just got the damn winter flu raging around so kinda powerless to do anything :-)

[SFF_Karhu]

Hi Flanker,

go a little bit higher, because the turbo boost is already 3.8GHz. As I said earlier, you can easily go to 4.5GHz. Overcklocking at Sandy Bridge 2500K and 2600K starts at 4.5 GHz.

And I hope you will soon get better.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Finally back on my feet :) Took a damn week to get rid of this flu, tough bugger! So now can get on the tweaking etc. Are there any tips on OC the 2500K as have not been OC for years :oops:

[Majo]

Driver related improvement with the new AMD Catalyst 12.x 8.96 14 February for the HD7970.
The release date is Feb. 26th later than 12.3 RC.
Can be downloaded here (http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=2865) .
Tip: Go for an absolute clean installation.

Salutes Majo.

[SFF_Karhu]

Hi Flanker.

Good to hear that you are back again and well. Here are some (http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1578110) good (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/01/07/how-to-overclock-the-intel-core-i5-2500k/2)sites (http://muropaketti.com/artikkelit/prosessorit/intel-core-i7-2600k-core-i5-2500k-sandy-bridge) and tips for overlocking your 2500K.

Here are my overclocking settings:

CPU PLL Voltagea 1.80, multiplier 48, base clock at 100, Vcore manual 1.320, LLC extreme, VRM freguency to 350, Phase control extreme, duty control extreme, CPU current capability 140%, memory 1333>1866 9-10-9-24-1T 1.51250V, all others auto.

[Jugdriver]

Driver related improvement with the new AMD Catalyst 12.x 8.96 14 February for the HD7970.



Majo, have you tried these out yet?

JD
AKA_MattE

[Majo]

Majo, have you tried these out yet?

JD
AKA_MattE

Oh sorry,

what I meant is that with this driver version you have an improvement "in CloD".
Improvement related to smoothness and removal of certain artifacts, specialy in the shore lines and beachs.

Salutes.

[dasstuka]

Removable Rack
Kingwin K450-1062 SATA KF-811

CPU
AMD 8 Core FX-8150 3.6G

CPU Cooler
Thermalright Silver Arrow

Operating System
MS Windows 7 Professional 64 BIT

Mother Board
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5 Rev 1

DVD Burner
Asus DRW 24B1ST /Black/B/AS/OEM

Case
Cooler Master Storm Enforcer ATX Mid Tower Case

Power Supply
Cooler Master GX 750 Watt

Memory
Kingston Hyper X 8GB DDR3 1600 CL9 240 pin DIMM 16 GB Total

Hard drive for Storage
Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2 Terabyte SATA 7200 RPM 68 MB SATA-6GB/S Item # TSD-2000ASV Model ST2000DM001

Hard Drive for operating system
Sandisk SDSSDX-120G-G25 Extreme 2.5 SATA III 6 GB/S Staples # 730645
Sandisk Model# SDSSDX-120G-G25

Video Card
Gigabyte GV-R797D5-3GD-B Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-BIT GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0x16 HDCP ready, Cross Fire X, Direct X 11, Open GL4.2 and Eyefinity


The Gigabyte card is out of stock at newegg so it may be a few weeks before it is in stock again.

Will this set up be OK for CoD ?
anyone run CoD in windows 7 with 64 bit environment ?
as soon as I get the video card and install it I will update on the forum here.

Dasstuka

[Flanker35M]

S!

That system should run any game just fine and the upcoming patch will increase performance further. Please update, will be interesting to see what kind of figures you will get :)

[Storm of When]

I just bought an HiS IceQ 7870 2gb, combined with a PhenomII x4 955BE at 3.7ghz, a Crucial M4 ssd and 8gb of DDR3 1333 ram Im getting an average of around 60fps on a 23" LCD at 1280 x 1024? (my eyes like this setting). Since I swapped from a 4870x2 the game has become far more playabe and it really isn`t as bad as some would lead you to believe. I`m using the 12.4 driver from AMD`s site btw.

[Codex]

Just curious on dasstuka's CPU choice ...

Have the AMD CPU's come of age or do they still lag compared to Intel.

[dasstuka]

I have not actually fired up the new system as I am waiting on cash reserves to get the 450 + dollars for the video card :o .

According to the research I did on the net the 8 core AMD Zambezi is a tad behind intel cause most present day games cant utilize the extra 4 cores . But I hope that will change in the near future.

Dasstuka

[AKA_Tenn]

I have not actually fired up the new system as I am waiting on cash reserves to get the 450 + dollars for the video card :o .

According to the research I did on the net the 8 core AMD Zambezi is a tad behind intel cause most present day games cant utilize the extra 4 cores . But I hope that will change in the near future.


Dasstuka

most games still cant utilize the extra 7 cores, never mind 4... each individual core is slower than any of the intel processors in the same price range

[_YoYo_]

Im owner of ATI 7970 and its a first my GPU when CoD works well witout near any stutters. Waiting for new patch but now, after 1 year I can fly on CoD without problems before.

[Flanker35M]

S!

System in my signature runs CoD very well. I think the patch will bring it to a whole new level for me and many many others..and that is a good thing :)

[Stublerone]

I would prefer the hd 7970 over the gtx 680 at any time. I am running it too and for a game like clod, a card with large ram is always a better solution to run it fully stable. In my setup, the card uses up to 2,7 GB ram, which isn't possible for the gtx680.

Although Iwas positively surprised from the performance of the gtx 680, I think of some major disadvantages in my eyes.

1.) not enough ram (the 4GB version will be extremely expensive).
2.) missing gpgpu units or abilities by far not up to date (the card is a quickly released and not fully featured fanboy catcher, although it runs very good).
3.) the bios is not able or was not able to provide u with all feature. I think of a fanboy, who wrote, that this card is fast as hell with its pci-e 3.0 (?) support and that this makes the top edge. But he was stopped by some guys, that found out, that the 3.0 support cannot be activated, although they already had the suitable mainboards for it. (correct me, if I am wrong with this in the meantime).

I cannot say, that this is the wrong card, as I am somehow also a nvidia guy and had my problems with the catalyst and its quality at the release of the 7970. In the meantime, some issues concerning the bad shadow drawing by ati is solved (i had really bad dynamic shadows with older catalysts until 12.4 and also wondered, why nobody saw it, although their videos showed the same issues, e.g. in BF3).

Last but not least I think, that the upcoming big kepker will have all features and will hit ati hard. But they will also have some value to buy it.

For my upcoming 27" triple monitor setup, there is no doubt, that the ati will perform way better than on low resolution 1080p!!! We had more resolution 10 years ago!! :)

[TheEditor]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5805/nvidia-geforce-gtx-690-review-ultra-expensive-ultra-rare-ultra-fast

$999.....:o

[Stublerone]

Oooooomg, so this is really telling me, that I made quite a good choice on my 7970!!!

But there will again be sone kids, who will run such cards in triple sli or something.

I see it in front of my mind: A youtube video with a 17 year old boy getting this card from his rich parents. He is crying out loud, whining and whistle something with"battlefield and 200 fps" and that he will be king. After the first shock, he holds up the gpu and start jumping around. And because he never went outside to do some sport, he is struggling with his movements, fall down and break apart the card in his face with massive injuries.

Downloadable on youtube under: "Epic xmas face plant into his new gtx 690!" ;) ....do not ask, what drugs I have taken to write that bullsh*t .... ;)

[dasstuka]

while looking at some of your profiles I see a listing of ...

Saitek: Pro Flight Radio Panel,

Saitek: Pro Flight Switch Panel,

Saitek: Pro Flight Multi Panel,

Saitek: Instrumentals Panels,

TH Warthog

Throtlle Quadrant CH

Can some of you all post your cockpit setups that you use during CoD ?

Thanks !

[TonyD]

most games still cant utilize the extra 7 cores, never mind 4...

Strangely, CloD is the only game I have tested that loads all eight cores – one at around 80%, one at 50% and six at around 40%. It’s also the only one that currently runs at a lower frame rate than it did on my previous Phenom 965, although this is only evident when using the Black Death track as a benchmark. The actual game performance is subjectively a lot smoother, with almost no stutters, which gives the impression of a higher frame rate.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Das Stuka..I just keep my stick and throttle on the desk, no fancy cockpit stuff here :-) I will build some kind of a support so I can put stick and throttle on my chair for a more ergonomic solution.

[AKA_Tenn]

Can some of you all post your cockpit setups that you use during CoD ?

Thanks !

A pretty standard setup is the saitek X52 or X52pro, saitek throttle quadrant, and saitek rudder pedals, good quality, good price... you can get better, but you can also get far far worse...

[335th_GRAthos]

Can some of you all post your cockpit setups that you use during CoD ?

Thanks !


MS SW2FFB + Thrustmaster Warthog (throttle) + 2 x Throttle Quadrants + Saitek Flight Pro rudder pedals (use only the pedal brakes)

~S~

[Luftwaffepilot]

MS SW2FFB + Thrustmaster Warthog (throttle)

You buy such an expensive HOTAS and then only use its throttle? Really?