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2GFlea
01-18-2012, 05:11 PM
I am currently working on the next version (3710.1C) of the checklists to be released around the same time as the next patch (yeah, I know... just go with me here). I have incorporated most of the comments and corrections I have received regarding version .1B. I am currently modifying the ammunition pages to reflect in game usage vice historical data.
Is there anything else you would like to see in the next version? Unfortunately, procedures for the Luftwaffe will still be ommited unless someone wants to start translating manuals for me.
I hope the community still finds these checklist useful. I want to do the same for future sequels, but my Russian is nonexistant and google is not much better. I have some data I'm putting together, but I'm not sure I can be as in depth for Eastern Front as I tried to be for the Channel Front.
jf1981
01-18-2012, 05:31 PM
Don't remember if U had the fuel consumption, but should be interesting too.
TX
ATAG_MajorBorris
01-18-2012, 05:34 PM
Hows your Italian? Im in the same boat, I want all them manuals for the germans translated:)
335th_GRAthos
01-18-2012, 05:57 PM
procedures for the Luftwaffe will still be ommited unless someone wants to start translating manuals for me.
Hi 2GFlea,
What exactly do you want translated? The startup procedure?
Do you have the manuals?
~S~
ATAG_MajorBorris
01-18-2012, 06:27 PM
If you translate anything can send it to me? Ju88 flight manual first please! Or whatever order you choose:eek:
retrojet
01-18-2012, 09:01 PM
Thanks 2GFlea,
That's quality work! Much appreciated, now the wait is even more worthwhile!
jg27_mc
01-19-2012, 12:02 PM
Thanks 2GFlea,
That's quality work! Much appreciated, now the wait is even more worthwhile!
+1
335th_GRAthos
01-19-2012, 10:14 PM
For the JU-88, I think this checklist will be suffcient, what do you think?
Exerzier-Karte Ju 88A-4.pdf (3.52 MB)
This is the original checklist approved by the German Air Ministry Nov.1942
from the link =AN=Felipe was so kind to post:
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/other-mechanical-systems-tech/ju-88-manuals-5375.html
~S~
2GFlea
01-20-2012, 12:48 AM
I have that copy of the Ju88 manual. Guess I just need to get to work putting it in checklist format.:rolleyes:
I also have German versions of the Ju87B2 and He111H&P. I have an Italian G50bis manual that is close enough for use in the checklists. So those are what I'm lacking, along with a BR20 manual to make the checklists complete for current CloD flyables.
I can get the manuals to you if anyone wants to translate. The ww2aircraft.net and the germanluftwaffe.com websites are great for manuals, if you want to look around on your own.
335th_GRAthos
01-20-2012, 06:24 AM
OK, I will (slowly) start with the checklist (Exerzier-Karte) for the Ju 88A-4.
It is not difficult.
Send me the links for the JU-87 and HE-111 too.
~S~
335th_GRAthos
01-21-2012, 01:04 PM
II. Exerzieranweisung
Strartvorbereitung = Preparations for start
1. Flaps at Start position (look at the display, while at least one engine has revs at 1400rpm)
2. Flaps control switch at neutral position
3. Check the surfaces, the Air-Brakes must be closed
4. Rpm lever set forward [I presume Drehzahlwahlhebel is the proptrim] As Banks and Thor mentionned,
Drehzahlwählhebel is "RPM lever" in British terminology. It's the lever that sets the RPM governed by the constant speed unit. It's not called prop pitch lever as it doesn't control the prop pitch directly.
Aircraft without constant speed unit: Propeller pitch lever
Aircraft with constant speed unit: RPM lever
5. Open radiators (if required)
6. Check fuelcocks and supercharger
7. Set trims aus zero
8. Press the (Rücktrimmknopf) Backtrim button for 3seconds Anybody know what the Rücktrimbutton is????
9. Fuelpumps on
10. Turn the throttles so that they can not move from themselves (fix them)
11. Red safety switch for landing year up
Start
1. Align the plane for take off
2. Quickly push the throttles (at the same time briefly check Compressor pressure and rpms)
3. While rolling, keep your hand on the throttles
4. After leaving ground (185Kmh) let the airplane pick up speed
5. press the brakes
6. Set the gear switch to ON
7. RPMselection lever back to 2300rpm
[I presume Drehzahlwahlhebel is the proptrim] As Banks and Thor mentionned,
Drehzahlwählhebel is "RPM lever" in British terminology. It's the lever that sets the RPM governed by the constant speed unit. It's not called prop pitch lever as it doesn't control the prop pitch directly.
Aircraft without constant speed unit: Propeller pitch lever
Aircraft with constant speed unit: RPM lever
8. Throttles back to 1,15ata
9. Flight Engineer watches the gear coming up and informs "Gear up"
10. Set gear switch to neutral
11. At 230Kmh raise flaps (Ensure Safety altitute!)
12. Flight Engineer watches the flaps coming up and informs "Flaps up"
13. Flaps switch to neutral
14. Fuel pumps OFF [??????????]
15. Continue to Climb or Cruise checklist
Reiseflug= Cruising
1. RPM selection lever set to 2100rpm
2. Throttles at 0,95 ata
3. Radiators set for 95°-105°C engine temperature
4. Every hour, open the radiators fully once and then bring back to original position
5. Check fuel consumption and if necessary redistribute fuel among the tanks
Kraftstoffumpumpen = Fuel redistribution
A. When 200lt left in the Fuel Tank: "I switch to 5 and 6 (3 or 8)!"
The flight engineer is also partly responsible for the timely switch off of the pumps.
B. Redistribution sequence:
1. Under normal conditions: "First Wing tanks (5 and 6), then fuselage tank (3)"
2. If contemplaining dive bomb run: "First fuselage tank (3) until 600lt, then Wing tanks (5 and 6).
Höhenflug = Flying at high altitude
1. At 3500m throttle back slightly
2. Set the supercharger switch lever to Automatic
3. At 3500m Pilot commands: "Put on oxygen masks!"
4. Every crew-member confirms use of oxygen masks back to the pilot
5. At 5000m fuel pumps and Max. performance ON
6. Set Radiators according to altitude and outside temperature
Gleitflug aus großer Höhe = Gliding from high alt
1. Throttle back
2. Close the radiators. Set the supercharger to "ground" (Stage 1)
3. During gliding, throttle up from time to time
Sturzflug = Diving
1. Set Altitude alarm at 1300m
2. Deactivate course autopilot and compasstuzung (gyro?)
3. Switch supercharger to Ground (Stage 1)
4. Close radiators
5. Set trims to the red marking in the following order: Aileron-, Rudder-, Elevator-trims
6. Set Airbrake switch to OUT (extended)
7. Throttle back
8. Nose down
9. Upon hearing the Tone (from the altitude alram) press the bomb release button
10. Set Airbrake switch to IN (retracted)
11. Throttle
12. Set the trims to the white marker
13. Open Radiators
I must say, this procedure is a bit different than the one I have from other sources:
Typical Vertical-Attack Sequence of a Ju-88
A. The pilot watches as the target passes the last marking on his lower window and presses the button for the air-brake activation. Automaticaly fins at the elevator push the tail of the plane upwards and the plane dives at a 60° angle.
B. During the dive, the pilot keeps the target just below the highest point of his Reflector sight.
C. When the bomber is 250m above the bomb release point (which has previously been set at 1050m at the altitude meter), a warning tone starts. The pilot pulls the plane slightly up so that the target is seen now at the lowest part of the reflector sight.
D. As the plane reaches the previously set bomb dropping altitude, the warning tone stops and the pilot presses the button at the left side of his stick in order to initiate the automatic procedure for bomb release and automatic plane recovery.
E. The nose of the plane rises slightly and the bombs are released.
F. After completion of the automatic plane recovery, the pilot retracts the air-brakes and accelerates.
Langsamflug und Landung = Slow flight and Landing
1. Throttle back
2. Fuel pumps ON
3. Reduce speed to 250Kmh and remove trims
4. Set Flaps to START (look at the indicator)
5. Set Flap lever to neutral
6. Throttle for slow cruising 220-240kmh (ata 0,8 - 0,9)
7. Command the Radio Operator: retrack the radio antenna and remove throat microfone (dange of suffocation in case of forced landing and overturn of the plane)
8. After turning around the landing area: Set Gear selector to OUT
9. Red safety cover for the gear must be UP (in case of aborted landing)
10. Flight engineer monitors increase in pressure and informs: "Gear Down"
11. Switch Gear lever to neutral
12. Command the flight engineer: "leave Bola" Anybody knows what is the Bola???
13. Extend Flaps to Landing position (and extend Flosse ??? which one is that???)
14. Glide not below 200Kmh, at the outside marker (of the airstrip) 5-10m alt and 190Kmh
15. Flight engineer or navigator report continuosly the speed until touch down.
16. After touch down, Safety Landing gear cover down, Flaps lever to IN (retract)
17. Flight Engineer monitors the retraction and informs: "Flaps in"
18. Flaps lever to OFF
19. Fuel pumps to OFF
20. RPM selector to front position
Durchstarten = Abort Landing
1. Quickly throttle to 1,2 ata, trim out
2. Gear lever to IN (retract)
3. Flight engineer monitors process and informs: "Gear up"
4. Gear lever to Neutral
5. Pick up speed (to over 200Kmh and not lower than 50m alt), set Flaps to START position.
6. Initiate landing sequence again
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This ends the checklist for normal operating procedures.
There are checklists for the following emergency procedures:
Notbetädigung der Druckölanlage (Landung) = Emergency Landing gear extention
1. Command the Flight engineer: Lower gear manually
2. Flight Engineer sets the emergency oil pressure switch to Position 1 and operates the oil pump until oil pressure raises.
Then sets the emergency oil pressure switch to Position 2 and operates the oil pump again until oil pressure raises.
Then, sets emergency oil pressure switch to Position 3 and informs the pilot: Gear lowered
3. Command the Flight Engineer: Lower Flaps manually.
4. Flight engineer sets the emergency oil pressure switch to Position 4 and operates the oil pump. Pilot is watching the instruments.
5. After finishing operating the oil pump, the Flight Engineer sets the emergency oil pressure switch to Position 6
Emergency Air brakes retraction
Emergency fuel pumps
De-icing
Engine failure
Einmotoren Landung = Landing with one engine running
1. Command the Flight Engineer: Leave the Bola area (What is the Bola???)
2. Pilot decides whether he will land gears down or crash land
If low cloud cover or landing not on airstrip or short airstrip: Crash Land
3. Command the radio operator: Inform base about one engine landing approach
4. Switch of course autopilot
5. Gradually throttle back whereas continualy throttle up a bit.
(The best translation I can give for "Gasheben sufenweise zurück, dabei laufend nachdrücken")
6. Flaps at take off position (check the indicators)
7. Switch the Flaps switch to neutral position
8. Lower the landing gear
9. Flight engineer watches the oil pressure indicator and informs: Gear down
10. Depending on the altitude, leave flaps at take off position or lower them to landing position
11. Throttle back completely. Do not attempt to abort landing approach and restart!
Crash landing
Emergency landing on water
Landung mit Reifenschaden=Landing with tyre damage
(same as normal landign except for)
1. Trim heavily towards the tail
2. Touch down on the good tyre
3. Use the Rudder to keep the damaged tyre high
4. In case of the plane losing control, use the brakes to keep the plane straight
Notausstieg= Bailout
1. Order to the radio-operator: "send emergency call - cut the antenna"
2. Order to the crew: "Prepare for bailout. Check parachute. Remove Microfones"
4. Order to the Flight Engineer: "Jettison cockpit roof"
5. Order to the Crew: "Bailout"
6. Bailout yourself, after ca.3sek deploy parachute
Do you need the emergency procedures as well?
~S~
csThor
01-21-2012, 04:47 PM
Drehzahlwahlhebel means RPM selector lever.
335th_GRAthos
01-21-2012, 06:29 PM
Drehzahlwahlhebel means RPM selector lever.
What is this and where is this Thor???
I only know of propeller pitch and throttle... Combination of the two controls the rpm.
Or is it something like auto-propitch that the JU88-A4 had???
~S~
csThor
01-21-2012, 07:36 PM
Honestly I have no idea. I merely translated the term.
41Sqn_Banks
01-21-2012, 07:47 PM
Drehzahlwählhebel is "RPM lever" in British terminology. It's the lever that sets the RPM governed by the constant speed unit. It's not called prop pitch lever as it doesn't control the prop pitch directly.
Aircraft without constant speed unit: Propeller pitch lever
Aircraft with constant speed unit: RPM lever
335th_GRAthos
01-21-2012, 08:05 PM
Thank you Thor and Banks for the feedback! :)
I added your comments in the original text, I need to fly again the JU88 of CoD and check. I do not remember having constant rev but in the Bf109-E4 model
~S~
csThor
01-21-2012, 08:12 PM
Junkers and Messerschmitt aircraft are very different, partially because of the different engines they used. I found the stuff about engine management in the Ju 87 particularly interesting (found the manual on the web). A selector for certain "states of flight" - that was a new one for me.
ATAG_MajorBorris
01-22-2012, 12:41 AM
Good work:D
2GFlea
01-24-2012, 07:22 PM
Thanks for translating those procedures. I'll start inputting them into the checklists. As for the emergency procedures, let me see how much space I have once the standard procedures are written. I don't think they matter much for gameplay and I mostly included them for filler.
I think that "emergency landing gear" and "landing with one engine" would be most applicable.
jf1981
01-25-2012, 05:13 AM
[QUOTE=335th_GRAthos;382702]II. Exerzieranweisung
14. Fuel pumps OFF [??????????]/QUOTE]
A/C having normal/secondary pumps usually run with only main pump during normal flight so as to be aware of its failure. If it happens, switch on electrical pump, change fuel tank (usually).
335th_GRAthos
01-25-2012, 07:16 AM
Aha, thanks for the explanation!
2GFlea, I added the Emergency procedures for manual gear down and landing with one engine to the main text.
~S~
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