Test championship on air combat.

[=m=aeros]

Hi all!)
Test on-line championship on air combat(one on one) takes place in Russia.
You can see here:
http://ru.justin.tv/dip78/videos
Mr.X also participates)).

[Ataros]

Each 1x1 match consists of 3 sets. Each set lasts till 2 wins advantage by any participant. Planes are selected by participants in turns for each of first 2 sets. In the 3rd set they are selected in turns for each of first 2 flights. For the 3rd flight in the 3rd set planes are selected by exclusion of unfavourable planes in turns one by one.

Shooting on the 1st merge is allowed to speed up the match.

Table is here http://aviachamp.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=1780

Interesting match (3 sets): =FB=Wincel vs. Belka
http://ru.justin.tv/dip78/b/300590123

Regarding the justin.tv : if you click the timeline bar to skip the intro or coffee breaks you have to click "Play" triangle again and wait a bit till the video starts to load. The site will not keep the videos forever, if you like a video, save it to your disk.

Link to English page with videos http://en.justin.tv/dip78/videos#

[Ataros]

Apolo vs. Shammy http://ru.justin.tv/dip78/b/300925956

[ATAG_Snapper]

Hi all!)
Test on-line championship on air combat(one on one) takes place in Russia.
You can see here:
http://ru.justin.tv/dip78/videos
Mr.X also participates)).

Mr. X participating???? I demand he use a custom skin coloured bright red. That way if I see him coming I'll have time to slide back my canopy and bail out! LOL
(Yes, we've met all-too-briefly on the ATAG server. Unfortunately, the pleasure was all his! :-P )

[Robo.]

Shooting on the 1st merge is allowed to speed up the match.

I know what you mean by speeding up the match, but what is the point then? :o

And how do you restrict cheating? Is there any way to do that in CoD at this moment (1.05).

I dind duels very interesting discipline and I enjoy flying them quite often, but I don't think the sim is quite ready as for the FMs and especially DM just yet. Still great fun and some of these guys are unbelievable good ad keeping their energy. Amazing skills.

[Ataros]

I know what you mean by speeding up the match, but what is the point then? :o

I am not one of the organizers and did not invent the rules. I think the match consisting of 4 to 9 flights is pretty long one to watch and organisers decided to try this new format. I did not see many head-ons anyway.

And how do you restrict cheating? Is there any way to do that in CoD at this moment (1.05).

I have not noticed any cheating. At least in this trial/test championship all participants are old friends (and members of sukhoi.ru forums) flying IL-2 and CloD in the same teamspeak for many months if not years. No point in cheating imho.

[Ataros]

MK.Mr.X vs. =M=Firefighter
http://ru.justin.tv/dip78/b/301085139

Going to watch it now :grin:

[Robo.]

I was just curious about the rules. It's not very typical on duels, but I understand. Fair enough.

Cheating - question was ment in general not regarding this particular championship. I'd like to know if it's possible to turn something like CRT=2 on and restrict mods. I am pretty sure that some pilots would do anything to get tha upper hand in duels, been that way in Il-2 and will be the same in CoD.

[Ataros]

Cheating - question was ment in general not regarding this particular championship. I'd like to know if it's possible to turn something like CRT=2 on and restrict mods. I am pretty sure that some pilots would do anything to get tha upper hand in duels, been that way in Il-2 and will be the same in CoD.

Steam VAC is supposed to ban accounts of unauthorised mod users but I do not know how it works now.

[Ataros]

Ugh, Icons on? Really?

Yes, due to some reported dot visibility issues and till it is fixed by the devs (planes disappearing at mid-range). That's what I've heard.

[Ataros]

oooo, my bad, its Firepower? can't read the Russian! :oops:

=M=Firefighter :)

[Robo.]

Proves that Mr.X isn't cheating or using anything beyond picking good targets. He's just average in a Co-E dogfight, which we never see in his videos. I actually am glad, tired of all the finger-pointing by guys who's ego's are bruised.

No he was never cheating :o He's good enough in a E-4 against Hurricanes and Spitfires and he's a great shot. He's definitely not average on co-E and he happens to be much better than 95 percent of the ATAG 109 jockeys, but against these duel specialists, he would struggle. That's something completely different. BTW He tried Hurricane, too, got his bottom kicked badly and switched back to E-4 :D There is a good reason for that lol. But cheater is he not. Some of these Russian guys like to do a bit of modem kicking if you get behind them (you know who you are, shame on you, you and you too! :-P:-P), but never got that with MK boys. I had few good fights with Mk.X and I lost some, won some and some he ran away (which is sort of victory for RAF, innit?). He's just a good pilot in a good aeroplane.

As for the duels - good stuff, Ataros, thanks for posting.

*edit* after watching the 1st fight, Mr.X actually flew very well

[=m=aeros]

My point is for guys to watch it, and study what to do and what not to do, before they come here with their posts accusing him of being a cheater. Way too much of that being slung around by sub-standard pilots who don't understand why they are getting shot down.
+500
In this game until it is possible to use cheats. For it we have it and love:).In Russia there is a lot of really strong pilots, but in BoB until fly single one of them:(.

[ReconNZ]

No he was never cheating :o He's good enough in a E-4 against Hurricanes and Spitfires and he's a great shot. He's definitely not average on co-E and he happens to be much better than 95 percent of the ATAG 109 jockeys, but against these duel specialists, he would struggle. That's something completely different. BTW He tried Hurricane, too, got his bottom kicked badly and switched back to E-4 :D There is a good reason for that lol. But cheater is he not. Some of these Russian guys like to do a bit of modem kicking if you get behind them (you know who you are, shame on you, you and you too! :-P:-P), but never got that with MK boys. I had few good fights with Mk.X and I lost some, won some and some he ran away (which is sort of victory for RAF, innit?). He's just a good pilot in a good aeroplane.

As for the duels - good stuff, Ataros, thanks for posting.

*edit* after watching the 1st fight, Mr.X actually flew very well


Yeah I agree re MrX - he's a good pilot, and most importantly he's a very good shot, and in the E4 he has cannons to use. Last night I was on the tail of a 110 on ATAG, had put several bursts into him and was closing for the kill, I hear the whine of a 109 and just before I could break away, a single burst of cannon fire from MrX destroyed by engine. The cannons are a HUGE advantage to a 109 pilot who is a good shot - if he can make his first pass count, and get good hits on, more times than not he will get the kill on the first pass - MrX is very good at this.

It's nearly impossible to do the same in the brit planes - it's tough to handle, but it's histoprically accurate so while its annoying, I dont mind it. Just have to always fly with a wingman watching your six!

[Ataros]

1st semi-finals.
159BAG_Flanker_13 vs. =FB=Wincel

Worth watching.

http://ru.justin.tv/dip78/b/301188439

[Robo.]

+500
In this game until it is possible to use cheats. For it we have it and love:).In Russia there is a lot of really strong pilots, but in BoB until fly single one of them:(.

As long it is possible to use MODs, it is possible to use cheats ;)

In Russia, there is lots of great pilots and lots of cheaters, too. :o These duels are especially popular in Russia and many guys are amazing at 1 vs 1 in the same plane. There are many strong pilots outside Russia, too. The thing is duels and tournaments are perhaps not as big as in Russia. Just my observation...

Ataros - thanks for vids - not bad, but some of the previous duels showed some much better skill imho - too many spins especially in a Hurricane fights. But I know how this feels - people are nervous, adrenaline pumps in ;) Nice tournament, congrats on the event and cheers for sharing it here!

[Ataros]

Ok Ataros, I just have to ask... What the @#$# are the damn rainbow things they have in the water? I saw those earlier during another match, but as I don't play those maps, thought it was a ground object making an arrow.

Yes, they made arrows showing merge direction but I have no idea what is the object that they used.

[Ataros]

There are many strong pilots outside Russia, too. The thing is duels and tournaments are perhaps not as big as in Russia. Just my observation...

I hope the next championship is expanded to include international participants. Maybe some people from this forums would want to join the organisers team as organisers, judges, commenters or streamers to make it happen.

I think 2x2 and 4x4 formats are coming in future too.

[=m=aeros]

Is that a chick pilot I hear on comms? Go Girl get some! haha
This girl is a very strong pilot). I participated in this tournament, she did not participate. I lost a duel with her about 8-2.

[Ataros]

2nd semi-finals

Apolo vs. =M=Firefighter

http://ru.justin.tv/dip78/b/301434753

[Ataros]

Finals
=FB=Wincel vs Apolo

http://ru.justin.tv/dip78/b/301698979

Great fighting!

[jimbop]

Thanks Ataros, good stuff!

[Ataros]

New championship is broadcasted http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=402852

[Osprey]

I remember in the USL the Russians came in and thrashed everybody. They had a massive squad to cherry pick their best, but what was interesting was the hardware. They would open up their sticks and mod them so they could fly using trim analogues on dials when closing in which was incredibly smooth - basically not using a joystick. The energy saved and the shooting accuracy from these mods was a ridiculous aid. I don't see the point myself, isn't it supposed to be a game and fun?

[jimbop]

I remember in the USL the Russians came in and thrashed everybody. They had a massive squad to cherry pick their best, but what was interesting was the hardware. They would open up their sticks and mod them so they could fly using trim analogues on dials when closing in which was incredibly smooth - basically not using a joystick. The energy saved and the shooting accuracy from these mods was a ridiculous aid. I don't see the point myself, isn't it supposed to be a game and fun?

The same argument could be used for those who use a Warthog vs. $20 cheapie. I've got my trims on rotary encoders at the moment but thanks for the tip - I'll change them to analogue pots!

[ATAG_Snapper]

Interesting. I have the trims controls assigned to two analogue lever axis on my CH Quadrant because of their smoothness, but I don't use them for aiming. Willhave to experiment with that.

However, I was initially unhappy with my Warthog stick because I found it too stiff and too sensitive for fine aiming. From a Youtube how-to clip I removed the heavy mainspring completely and repositioned the four small secondary springs which looked after the stiffness. Playing with the X- and Y- response S- curves handled the sensitivity problem, yet still allowed full throw of the controls when needed.

[Osprey]

To be fair the reason I know this is because they were public about it on their webste with tutorials on how to do it. My point is the level of seriousness of it all - It's almost like it's real, whereas I see gaming as entertainment.

Fact remains that if a pilot wanted to score big, he'd fly eastern front ;)

[ATAG_Snapper]

Aha. Roger that.

[CaptainDoggles]

To be fair the reason I know this is because they were public about it on their webste with tutorials on how to do it. My point is the level of seriousness of it all - It's almost like it's real, whereas I see gaming as entertainment.

Fact remains that if a pilot wanted to score big, he'd fly eastern front ;)

Your disparaging remarks confuse me. Are you insinuating that these Russian guys aren't also entertained?

[Osprey]

No, I think that some of the crews just have a completely different attitude to 'western' players.

[von Brühl]

There's lots of people in the West that also mod their sticks, check any of several dozen Youtube videos on how to do it. It's all in how serious you are, and how much quality you want out of your gear.